hydrogen peroxide

March 2, 2009

H2O2 therapy, as with MMS, will age you prematurely... that is, if

the theory of oxidation is correct. Conversely, anti-oxidants slow

down the aging process. The tradeoff is in maintaining wellness. If

you do enough MMS or H2O2, you will oxidize your cells at a very high

rate. If you consider premature aging to be harmful... H2O2 is.

Giordano wrote:

,

Thanks for the info! I didn't really want to pay for the book,

especially if it was information I already knew. And thanks very much

for the website. I had actually stumbled across it about a week ago,

and read it in detail, along with a multitude of other websites

detailing O2 therapies, You Tube anecdotal reports, etc. I also

started the H2O2 protocol, and have been "on it" for several days now.

What I'm trying to alleviate is a perceived candida condition. Here's

what I, intuitively, think about the treatment. All I have if

information, perception, intuition, and a gut feeling [which we all

need to identify and pay close attention to, because You already know

the answer to your questions....you just need to listen to You!].

With the recommended dosage, and food grade peroxide, I can't imagine

the H202 therapy could do any harm. An interesting point within the

website you gave me is that the therapy produces an increase in tissue

O2 that is so much more than could possibly result from the small

amount of ingested H202....in some way H202 stimulates a process in the

body that increases tissue oxygen...now that's pretty cool.

As for me, I "imagine" the H202 is giving me increased energy. I

haven't done it long enough to know for sure, but thus far I feel great!

If you don't mind telling me, what happened with you and MMS? Thanks

for your time, and Good Luck with whatever you do!

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If the cure is H202 i did so many IV bags of that and it helped at first but not after teh first 3....I did 20 plus bags...not a cure for lyme and co-infections....In my experience. MMS is much more effective

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Sauve <moniquesauve@...> wrote:

anyone seen this book

http://www.oneminutecureforalldiseases.info/

schedule of treatment sounds similar to MMS. are MMS and H2O2 similar?

thanks

monique

March 2, 2009

hi meredith

can you tell me more re your experience with MMS? the schedule you've

taken it? what symptoms it has helped you with?

thanks

monique

If the cure is H202 i did so many IV bags of that and it helped at

first but

not after teh first 3....I did 20 plus bags...not a cure for lyme and

co-infections.

....In

my experience. MMS is much more effective

March 2, 2009

hi john

keep me posted on your H2O2 experience. do you find you get abnormally

thirsty on it? after 3 days swishing with it i had to stop and now just

dip a Q-tip into 3% solution and rub onto gums each nite. just swishing

with it produced this horribly salty taste in my mouth which made

everything taste bad and had me drinking 4 L of water a day and still

feeling thirsty.

i took MMS for 3 weeks back in august-sept. i started at 1/2 d and then

slowly over that period made it up to 4d 2x a day. i then got really

bad stomach cramps and worse than that the worst muscle pain of my life

which off MMS took 6 weeks to go away. i was in so much pain i cried

day and nite. i have rheumatoid arthritis and was hoping to resolve it

with MMS. i feel quite strongly that bacteria is the culprit due to my

experience with antibs and RA.

thanks

monique

,

Thanks for the info! I didn't really want to pay for the book,

especially if it was information I already knew. And thanks very much

for the website. I had actually stumbled across it about a week ago,

and read it in detail, along with a multitude of other websites

detailing O2 therapies, You Tube anecdotal reports, etc. I also started

the H2O2 protocol, and have been "on it" for several days now.

What I'm trying to alleviate is a perceived candida condition. Here's

what I, intuitively, think about the treatment. All I have if

information, perception, intuition, and a gut feeling [which we all

need to identify and pay close attention to, because You already know

the answer to your questions...

..you

just need to listen to You!].

With the recommended dosage, and food grade peroxide, Ican't imagine

the H202 therapy could do any harm. An interesting point within the

website you gave me is that the therapy produces an increase in tissue

O2 that is so much more than could possibly result from the small

amount of ingested H202....in some way H202 stimulates a process in the

body that increases tissue oxygen...now that's pretty cool.

As for me, I "imagine" the H202 is giving me increased energy. I

haven't done it long enough to know for sure, but thus far I feel great!

If you don't mind telling me, what happened with you and MMS? Thanks

for your time, and Good Luck with whatever you do!

March 2, 2009

I stared out a 1 drop day and over 1 month increased to 15 ....after 2 mos - it was too much herxing so I dropped to 7 every other day with weekend off and 1 week off a month. then lower an dlower over 8 mos...I will never say Im cured but my infection load for stealthy bugs is low.....

I havent been taking it in 6 mos really - I may start some again - but I do think its harsh so the lowest you can get away with to me the best. but as we know everyone is different.

Im sure soem HAVE been greatly helped with H202 it just didnt do it for me. Also IV Vitc turns to H202 in teh body an ddoesnt tear up teh veins as much plus has other benis...On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Sauve <moniquesauve@...> wrote:

hi meredith

can you tell me more re your experience with MMS? the schedule you've

taken it? what symptoms it has helped you with?

thanks

monique

If the cure is H202 i did so many IV bags of that and it helped at

first but

not after teh first 3....I did 20 plus bags...not a cure for lyme and

co-infections.

....In

my experience. MMS is much more effective

March 3, 2009

hi meredith

thanks for the info. what symptoms did the MMS help you with? with my

symptoms - arthritis, chronic fatigue, muscle pain - am wondering if i

should be tested for lyme?

thanks

monique

I stared out a 1 drop day and over 1 month increased to 15 ....after 2 mos

- it was too much herxing so I dropped to 7 every other day with weekend off

and 1 week off a month. then lower an dlower over 8 mos...I will never say

Im cured but my infection load for stealthy bugs is low.....

I havent been taking it in 6 mos really - I may start some again - but I do

think its harsh so the lowest you can get away with to me the best. but as

we know everyone is different.

Im sure soem HAVE been greatly helped with H202 it just didnt do it for me.

Also IV Vitc turns to H202 in teh body an ddoesnt tear up teh veins as much

plus has other benis...

March 3, 2009

All of those! I was dx with CFS Fibro MS etc... - 90% recovered - but when I lost weight I released metals back into my bod so Im sick with that but slowly detoxing...Other infections beside Lyme can cause thsoe symptoms or its likley a sou of infections. I found MMS dealt with most well but not sure about MMS and yeast or intestinal parasites....

Doesn't seem to effect mercury....Lyme tsteing is probelmatic but coudl be good to knwo - see a good LLMD - they arent all goodOn Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Sauve <moniquesauve@...> wrote:

hi meredith

thanks for the info. what symptoms did the MMS help you with? with my

symptoms - arthritis, chronic fatigue, muscle pain - am wondering if i

should be tested for lyme?

thanks

monique

I stared out a 1 drop day and over 1 month increased to 15 ....after 2 mos

- it was too much herxing so I dropped to 7 every other day with weekend off

and 1 week off a month. then lower an dlower over 8 mos...I will never say

Im cured but my infection load for stealthy bugs is low.....

I havent been taking it in 6 mos really - I may start some again - but I do

think its harsh so the lowest you can get away with to me the best. but as

we know everyone is different.

Im sure soem HAVE been greatly helped with H202 it just didnt do it for me.

Also IV Vitc turns to H202 in teh body an ddoesnt tear up teh veins as much

plus has other benis...

March 4, 2009

hi meredith

so you have recovered 90% using MMS alone? did you herx during your

treatment? how does one go about finding a good LLMD?

thanks again for all your sharing. glad you are doing so well!

monique

All of those! I was dx with CFS Fibro MS etc... - 90% recovered - but

when I

lost weight I released metals back into my bod so Im sick with that but

slowly detoxing...Other infections beside Lyme can cause thsoe symptoms

or

its likley a sou of infections. I found MMS dealt with most well but not

sure about MMS and yeast or intestinal parasites...

..

Doesn't seem to effect mercury....

Lyme tsteing is probelmatic but coudl be good to knwo - see a good LLMD

-

they arent all good

March 4, 2009

Yes I herxed throughout! Not fun but when I took breaks I coudl see major progress. Well you can go to ilads.orgI guess my opinion at this point is to avoid the LLMD who want to keep you on IV ABX for really long stretches...

versus using cheaper less harsh methods.....this is based on my exp. I know many have recovered with Long term ABXI also think the dr. shoudl have a handle on detox and even better if they ar efamiliar with methylation blocks.

If you tell people you area maybe some here will PM you a LLMD.)Well Im not well NOW....but nothing to do with infections more heavy metals esp. Mercury - I lost weight too fast and I have methyl block issues...but im using the Yasko lite and making strides......

But MMS really helped me. I know people it didnt help so much but I odt knwo if there issue is bacteria or metals or something esle.There is NO right way to treat these illnesses so im not dogmatic about any one thing but MMS was the best ani infective I used...but its so effective for me that I had to back way down and found less is best......

I have no idea if there is any LT damage done by taking it but I was so sick I was willing to try it.)Just keep at healing and you will get there......On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Sauve <moniquesauve@...> wrote:

hi meredith

so you have recovered 90% using MMS alone? did you herx during your

treatment? how does one go about finding a good LLMD?

thanks again for all your sharing. glad you are doing so well!

monique

All of those! I was dx with CFS Fibro MS etc... - 90% recovered - but

when I

lost weight I released metals back into my bod so Im sick with that but

slowly detoxing...Other infections beside Lyme can cause thsoe symptoms

or

its likley a sou of infections. I found MMS dealt with most well but not

sure about MMS and yeast or intestinal parasites...

..

Doesn't seem to effect mercury....

Lyme tsteing is probelmatic but coudl be good to knwo - see a good LLMD

-

they arent all good

March 4, 2009

or post your area on Lymestartegies group and people will post - most of us had to travel a bit to see a good drs. ;o)On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Meredith W. <meredithbw@...> wrote:

Yes I herxed throughout! Not fun but when I took breaks I coudl see major progress. Well you can go to ilads.org

I guess my opinion at this point is to avoid the LLMD who want to keep you on IV ABX for really long stretches...

versus using cheaper less harsh methods.....this is based on my exp. I know many have recovered with Long term ABXI also think the dr. shoudl have a handle on detox and even better if they ar efamiliar with methylation blocks.

If you tell people you area maybe some here will PM you a LLMD.)Well Im not well NOW....but nothing to do with infections more heavy metals esp. Mercury - I lost weight too fast and I have methyl block issues...but im using the Yasko lite and making strides......

But MMS really helped me. I know people it didnt help so much but I odt knwo if there issue is bacteria or metals or something esle.There is NO right way to treat these illnesses so im not dogmatic about any one thing but MMS was the best ani infective I used...but its so effective for me that I had to back way down and found less is best......

I have no idea if there is any LT damage done by taking it but I was so sick I was willing to try it.)Just keep at healing and you will get there......

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Sauve <moniquesauve@...> wrote:

hi meredith

so you have recovered 90% using MMS alone? did you herx during your

treatment? how does one go about finding a good LLMD?

thanks again for all your sharing. glad you are doing so well!

monique

All of those! I was dx with CFS Fibro MS etc... - 90% recovered - but

when I

lost weight I released metals back into my bod so Im sick with that but

slowly detoxing...Other infections beside Lyme can cause thsoe symptoms

or

its likley a sou of infections. I found MMS dealt with most well but not

sure about MMS and yeast or intestinal parasites...

..

Doesn't seem to effect mercury....

Lyme tsteing is probelmatic but coudl be good to knwo - see a good LLMD

-

they arent all good

March 20, 2009

>

> H2O2 therapy, as with MMS, will age you prematurely... that is, if the > theory of oxidation is correct. Conversely, anti-oxidants slow down the > aging process. The tradeoff is in maintaining wellness. If you do > enough MMS or H2O2, you will oxidize your cells at a very high rate. I read your statements about oxidation causing premature aging and it bothered me as I am sure I have read theories contrary to this. I haven't had much time to research but I did come up with the following (it IS from a site selling stabilized oxygen products so they may be biased). Basically I'm suggesting that just thinking "if anti- = good, then pro- = bad" is apparently much too simplistic. I really think more research is in order.

"What Causes Aging?

The basic concept of aging is that the body loses its ability to efficiently deal with damaged cells and cannot keep ahead in regenerating new cells. It is like falling behind in a race. At some point, the body comes in last place or doesn't finish the race at all. There are thousands of research papers that point to the production of free radicals as the primary cause of aging. Free radicals are unstable molecules in the body created as part of the waste products or normal cellular metabolic activities. Usually molecules contain electrons in pairs. When there is a loss or gain of an electron,this destabilizes the molecule.! It becomes highly reactive and destabilizes other molecules. These unstable molecules are what are called "free radicals". The body attempts to balance and neutralize these free radicals,but over a period of time free radical damage accumulates damaging cells and organs. While the aging process is normal, some individuals experience an overabundance of free radical production. Sometimes this is caused by pollution. Highly processed foods, cigarette smoke, alcohol consumption, overuse of prescription and over-the-counter medications, prolonged stress and anxiety can also be responsible for free radical damage. To understand how the body neutralizes free radicals, it is important to also understand the metabolic process that goes on inside every cell in the body. Metabolism is a term that describes how the cells process molecules.The molecules are either synthesized or degraded. Energy and structures of the body are the two main results of metabolism.! Energy is created in the form of chemical energy that the body can use, called ATP.

ATP:

ATP energy requires oxygen as the potential rate-limiting step. This means that the amount of oxygen will determinethe efficiency and amount of ATP that can be produced at any one time. From Harper's Biochemistry, the established definition of aging is a process "…which allows the respiratory chain to function at the maximum rate until the tissue has become virtually depleted of oxygen" (Ref. K. Murray, MD,Ph.D., Daryl K. Granmer, MD, A. Mayes, Ph.D., D.Sc., Victor W. Fodwell, Ph.D., Harper's Biochemistry, 25th Edition, Appleton & Lance, Stanford, Connecticut, 2000, Page 140). So the key to producing ATP energy at the maximum rate is the availabilityand amounts of available oxygen. ATP is produced from carbohydrates, fats, and proteins. Carbohydrates produce glucose, which the bodybreaks down into ATP. Glucose from carbohydrates is the major source of production of ATP. Fats can also be a source of ATP production.! If oxygen levels are not optimal, this can limit ATP production made from carbohydrates. The body will use an alternate source to help produce ATP, fatty acids. However, the fatty acids will also require oxygen to produce ATP. So there are two results from less than optimal amounts of oxygen. One is that carbohydrates produce less ATP. A second is that fatty acids are increased in the bloodstream as an alternative source to help produce ATP. Fatty acids deplete the available oxygen for the production of ATP by burning glucose from carbohydrates. Thus increasing fatty acid levels can eventually lead to a change in metabolism, where smaller amounts of ATP are produced from carbohydrates and more are produced from fatty acids.

Fatty Acids: Fatty acids can be highly damaging in the body. Fatty acids are highly reactive with cell membranes. This can result in free radical damage to cell membranes. Increasing fatty acid levels can deplete oxygen levels, to the point where there is no longer enough oxygen to burn all the fatty acids. This can result in increasing levels of partially oxidized fatty acids. Partially oxidized fatty acids have been proven highly harmful to the body. For example, one of the aspects of heart disease is that fatty acids help clog vascular walls. However, it is partially oxidized fatty acids, called partially oxidized LDL, that are the culprits involved in clogged arteries. Thus, the depletion of oxygen can be highly stressful to vascular walls, cell membranes, and many other structures and functions in the body. By understanding the aging process in relation to changes in metabolism, and the gradual shift to using more fatty acids to produce ATP, we can understand the origin of a great deal of excess free radical damage. It can all start from a lack of oxygen available to burn glucose produced from carbohydrates, to produce ATP. An example of the aging process and the decreased ability to produce ATP from carbohydrate sources is that the accumulation of glucose can occur in cells when it is not efficiently burned to produce ATP. This can lead to the glucose reacting inside the cell with proteins and fats, resulting in cellular damage. Another example, increasing levels of partly oxidized fatty acids, occurs when less ATP is utilized from carbohydrates and more from fats. This results in increasing levels of damage to vascular walls and cell membranes. Still another example, free radical damage can be highly reactive in the fatty brain tissue, which can help explain why the brain degenerates, as we grow older. For instance, in Parkinson's Disease, the major problem is that the molecule called L-dopa is oxidized at a rapid rate before it can produce the neurotransmitter dopamine. It is low levels of dopamine that are considered the primary cause of Parkinson's and it is the high rate of oxidation of L-dopa that is considered the primary cause of low levels of dopamine.There are many other examples that can describe the degenerative processes that can result from increasing levels of fatty acids in the bloodstream that compensate for the lowered ability to produce ATP from carbohydrates. An approach to consider neutralizing the accumulation of free radicals resulting from increasing fatty acids inthe bloodstream is to find methods and supplements to increase oxygen in the bloodstream. This will help maintain optimal levels of glucose, burned by oxygen, and converted to ATP. More oxygen will help decrease the need for fatty acids as an alternative energy source of the body. Increasing oxygen in the bloodstreamis a method to help decrease free radical accumulation. This can be considered anti-aging.The concept of increasingoxygen levels in the bloodstream can be helpful in understanding methods to help slow down and reverse aging, degeneration, cellular breakdown, and death. It is known that optimal amounts of antioxidants, proper nutrition, proper exercise, supplements, and many other positive ideas to increase health, ultimately do not stop or reverse aging. It is obvious that increasing levels of free radical accumulation eventually overtax even the healthiest individuals. Antioxidants and other methods to neutralize free radicals are ways that balance and keep the body in harmony, but these methods do not cure the root cause of aging, which is considered by many scientists to be the increasing accumulation and load of free radicals, until breakdown and death. Keeping metabolism optimal can help at the root cause of free radical accumulation. There are other methods to help keep metabolism and especially ATP production from carbohydrates, at optimal levels. For instance supplements that help optimize the mitochrondia, the section in cells where ATP is produced, can benefit ATP production from glucose. There are other methods and examples that can help optimize ATP production. However, increasing oxygen levels may be the primary method of combating the undeniable aging process.

© 2005 BIO2 International, Inc. All rights reserved.This information is not intended to treat, cure, diagnose or prevent any disease or medical condition. Always consult with a medical professional before taking any dietary supplement, especially if pregnant, nursing or taking prescription medications.

*These statement has not been evaluated by the F.D.A." Quote taken from this site:

http://www.shopusi.com/homepagenew/good%20health/O2Hi%20Personal%20Oxygen%20Unit/images/Oxygen%20 & %20Aging.pdf

March 21, 2009

Hi :

This article may be correct and our antioxidant theory may be baloney.

However, I'll place my bets with the anti-oxidant theory. One of the

clues that make it more believable is that they are found in the

healthy foods that we know "are healthy".

The idea behind it is that oxygen causes us to basically rust away. It

may be wrong. It is a theory.

As to: "Partially oxidized fatty acids have been proven highly harmful to the body. For example, one

of the aspects of heart disease is that fatty acids help clog vascular walls. However, it is partially oxidized fatty

acids, called partially oxidized LDL, that are the culprits involved in clogged arteries. Thus, the depletion of oxygen

can be highly stressful to vascular walls, cell membranes, and many other structures and functions in the body. By

understanding the aging process in relation to changes in metabolism, and the gradual shift to using more fatty

acids to produce ATP, we can understand the origin of a great deal of excess free radical damage. It can all start

from a lack of oxygen available to burn glucose produced from carbohydrates, to produce ATP. An example of the

aging process and the decreased ability to produce ATP from carbohydrate sources is that the accumulation of

glucose can occur in cells when it is not efficiently burned to produce ATP."

I would say that the LDL fatty acid theory is far less

believable... you are welcome to your opinion.

As a result, I supplement my diet with fatty acids, rather than

avoiding them.

Kind Regards,

Jim

>

> H2O2 therapy, as with MMS, will age you prematurely... that is, if the

> theory of oxidation is correct. Conversely, anti-oxidants slow down the

> aging process. The tradeoff is in maintaining wellness. If you do

> enough MMS or H2O2, you will oxidize your cells at a very high rate.

I read your statements about oxidation causing premature aging and it bothered me as I am sure I have read

theories contrary to this. I haven't had much time to research but I did come up with the following (it IS from a

site selling stabilized oxygen products so they may be biased). Basically I'm suggesting that just thinking

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March 21, 2009

looks like a good article -

too bad i can't read it with those ads in the middle of it.

carol

jim wrote: