RE: MMS for Lyme

March 10, 2009

...there's been a lot of lymies trying MMS over the last year+.

i haven't followed closely, but it appears to help some a lot.

keeping up MMS at the levels needed for a long time takes its toll, and must

be done carefully. jim humble has written about lyme protocol

recommendations somewhere... (however i'm thinking Jim H. is a bit

over-optimistic about MMS in many cases. i think intermittent/pulsing is

working best).

check the list archives, and the lyme specific groups for more.

so far, from my observations as a non-lymie (???not for sure about that)

with tangential interest, it appears the best results are obtained from a

combo of the salt/C protocol and the Doug Coil machine, esp when used

together... salt/C is cheap and readily available, but a Doug Coil is a

couple thou$and and they are built to order usually requiring some months of

waiting... the plans and help are available free, i think kits of most of

the parts for fair price also... if you have someone techie enough to build

it it ends up costing about $1k. it'snot super complicated, but takes some

skill and care.

> [ ] MMS for Lyme

>

> Has anyone heard of MMS helping a lyme patient? If so, how

> long did they have to take it for?

>

> Jerry

>

> ------------------------------------

>

March 10, 2009

-Thanks for your reply. What toll does it take if used for a long period of

time?

Jerry

>

> > [ ] MMS for Lyme

> >

> > Has anyone heard of MMS helping a lyme patient? If so, how

> > long did they have to take it for?

> >

> > Jerry

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

March 10, 2009

What toll does MMS take if taken for long periods of time?

Jerry

--- In , " bob Larson " <bobList@...>

wrote:

>

> ..there's been a lot of lymies trying MMS over the last year+.

> i haven't followed closely, but it appears to help some a lot.

> keeping up MMS at the levels needed for a long time takes its toll, and must

> be done carefully. jim humble has written about lyme protocol

> recommendations somewhere... (however i'm thinking Jim H. is a bit

> over-optimistic about MMS in many cases. i think intermittent/pulsing is

> working best).

> check the list archives, and the lyme specific groups for more.

>

> so far, from my observations as a non-lymie (???not for sure about that)

> with tangential interest, it appears the best results are obtained from a

> combo of the salt/C protocol and the Doug Coil machine, esp when used

> together... salt/C is cheap and readily available, but a Doug Coil is a

> couple thou$and and they are built to order usually requiring some months of

> waiting... the plans and help are available free, i think kits of most of

> the parts for fair price also... if you have someone techie enough to build

> it it ends up costing about $1k. it'snot super complicated, but takes some

> skill and care.

>

> > [ ] MMS for Lyme

> >

> > Has anyone heard of MMS helping a lyme patient? If so, how

> > long did they have to take it for?

> >

> > Jerry

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

March 10, 2009

It makes sense that MMS would age you prematurely if enough is

taken... that is, if the anti-oxidant theory is correct and most of us

buy into to that.

jerryrwc wrote:

What toll does MMS take if taken for long periods of time?

Jerry

>

> ..there's been a lot of lymies trying MMS over the last year+.

> i haven't followed closely, but it appears to help some a lot.

> keeping up MMS at the levels needed for a long time takes its

toll, and must

> be done carefully. jim humble has written about lyme protocol

> recommendations somewhere... (however i'm thinking Jim H. is a bit

> over-optimistic about MMS in many cases. i think intermittent/pulsing

is

> working best).

> check the list archives, and the lyme specific groups for

more.

>

> so far, from my observations as a non-lymie (???not for sure about

that)

> with tangential interest, it appears the best results are obtained

from a

> combo of the salt/C protocol and the Doug Coil machine, esp when

used

> together... salt/C is cheap and readily available, but a Doug Coil

is a

> couple thou$and and they are built to order usually requiring some

months of

> waiting... the plans and help are available free, i think kits of

most of

> the parts for fair price also... if you have someone techie enough

to build

> it it ends up costing about $1k. it'snot super complicated, but

takes some

> skill and care.

>

> > [ ] MMS for Lyme

> >

> > Has anyone heard of MMS helping a lyme patient? If so, how

> > long did they have to take it for?

> >

> > Jerry

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

March 10, 2009

Jim,

that seems like a stretch. You have to consider the oxidative stress a body is

under that is heavily infected and has poor immune function. Reducing that

oxidative stress by clearing out a lot of infections and thus having your body

work better does not strike me as something that would cause premature aging. In

fact, high levels of oxidative stress regardless of how many antioxidants one

takes would be aging in of itself and could lead to premature aging. Besides, on

MMS you can take antioxidants within four hours of so of a dose.

Jerry

> > >

> > > ..there's been a lot of lymies trying MMS over the last year+.

> > > i haven't followed closely, but it appears to help some a lot.

> > > keeping up MMS at the levels needed for a long time takes its toll,

> > and must

> > > be done carefully. jim humble has written about lyme protocol

> > > recommendations somewhere... (however i'm thinking Jim H. is a bit

> > > over-optimistic about MMS in many cases. i think intermittent/pulsing is

> > > working best).

> > > check the list archives, and the lyme specific groups for more.

> > >

> > > so far, from my observations as a non-lymie (???not for sure about that)

> > > with tangential interest, it appears the best results are obtained

> > from a

> > > combo of the salt/C protocol and the Doug Coil machine, esp when used

> > > together... salt/C is cheap and readily available, but a Doug Coil is a

> > > couple thou$and and they are built to order usually requiring some

> > months of

> > > waiting... the plans and help are available free, i think kits of

> > most of

> > > the parts for fair price also... if you have someone techie enough

> > to build

> > > it it ends up costing about $1k. it'snot super complicated, but

> > takes some

> > > skill and care.

> > >

> > > > [ ] MMS for Lyme

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone heard of MMS helping a lyme patient? If so, how

> > > > long did they have to take it for?

> > > >

> > > > Jerry

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

March 10, 2009

depletes antioxidants, oxidative stress.

might possibly effect lots of other things... anything that tastes that bad

has to be hard on the body (i'd think).

someone posted recently (maybe not this list - maybe MDI_news)about all the

bad numbers in a blood panel, including RBC, platelets, liver enzymes, and

more. after sto[pping the MMS and being re-tested in a couple weeks

everything looked pretty much back to normal. maybe an individual unique

response for some reason?

pulsing the MMS allows intervals to load up on antioxidants, make repairs...

> [ ] Re: MMS for Lyme

>

> What toll does MMS take if taken for long periods of time?

>

> Jerry

March 10, 2009

Hey Bob,

it is a moot point for me. MMS has torn up my gut so I have to stop it at least

for now. I am starting some Colloidal silver again to go with my abx. I know it

can decrease candida and also help with bug killing.

Jerry

--- In , " bob Larson " <bobList@...>

wrote:

>

> depletes antioxidants, oxidative stress.

> might possibly effect lots of other things... anything that tastes that bad

> has to be hard on the body (i'd think).

> someone posted recently (maybe not this list - maybe MDI_news)about all the

> bad numbers in a blood panel, including RBC, platelets, liver enzymes, and

> more. after sto[pping the MMS and being re-tested in a couple weeks

> everything looked pretty much back to normal. maybe an individual unique

> response for some reason?

>

> pulsing the MMS allows intervals to load up on antioxidants, make repairs...

>

> > [ ] Re: MMS for Lyme

> >

> > What toll does MMS take if taken for long periods of time?

> >

> > Jerry

>

March 10, 2009

CS is incompatible with live antibiotics y'know? it'll probably kill them if

they're live kind that have to be refrigerated. google CS drug

interactions... there's 4 groups to not mix with but i can't remember the

4th: penicillins, tetracyclines, quinalones, and thatotherthing. apart

from them, it seems to be great with other meds.

> [ ] Re: MMS for Lyme

> > >

> > > What toll does MMS take if taken for long periods of time?

> > >

> > > Jerry

> >

>

> ------------------------------------

>

March 10, 2009

On 3/9/2009 10:39:07 PM, jerryrwc (jerrysobel@...) wrote:

> What toll does MMS take if taken for long periods of time?

>

> Jerry

You age faster.

It's an oxidant.

Use it as a medicine, not as a supplement.

A hand grenade for cooties.

Chuck

When did my wild oats turn to shredded wheat?

March 16, 2009

yes it really has kept lyme and co infections under control - that is with no or few symptoms.....everyone reacts to it differently and I used to use 30 drops a day but found it was too much. I think less is best for me. I had no known side effects but i have no idea if there is long term damage from taking it....so just resreach it for yourself. )

I noticed it was working after teh first drop but then the herxes set in - it was about 6 mos before I was able to return to exercising after being bedridden....I dont know that it cures but for me it keeps it under control and I dont take much anymore juest every now and again....

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:37 PM, jerryrwc <jerrysobel@...> wrote:

Has anyone heard of MMS helping a lyme patient? If so, how long did they have to take it for?

Jerry

March 16, 2009

Hi Meredith,

thank you for sharing you experience with me. So it took six months of daily use

to get you really well? Were you taking anything else with it, i.e. abx, or

other killers?

I took it for a month and I really felt the herxes. I got up to 10 drops bid but

I started to get a lot of esophageal problems and had to stop it. I even tried

taking it with food but it did not help. I might go back on it again in the

future.

Jerry

>

> > Has anyone heard of MMS helping a lyme patient? If so, how long did they

> > have to take it for?

> >

> > Jerry

> >

>

March 16, 2009

The herxes became unberable for me so I quit for a week....I ended up doing thsi way3-7 drops every other day with 2 days off every 7-10 days and about 1 week off every 4-5 weeks...or when I needed it.

if its too much cut back way back..... I took it once a day with some food but away from antioxidants but always took tons of VIT c and other antioxidants and tried to rebuild my body away from MMS and on free days with probiotcs and supplemnets....

Detox is critical here. If you do not detox well and many of us dont that is essential to recovery. I have a tom of heavy metals in my body so that is a complicating factor - I odnt think MMS oxidzies mercury so keep that in mind if you think that is an issue....and it is for many of us.....

I just played with what would keep me progressing but with tolerbale herxing so I coudl live a little.....if your symptoms are worsening it sounds like herxing but it coudl be something else too.....I dont like to lump everything into herxing...so just use your best judgement of see a good doc ( tough one i know)

MMS can be rough on the throat so maybe it was irritating the esoph too? I woudl drink a bunch of water....eat soem bread if I hadnt eaten a meal and them mix it with a wee bit of water OR no C Prune juice and shoot it! then drink a full glass of water or take a swig of coke to get rid of the taste ( coke isnt ideal but sometimes its just too gross) anyway, you can get on top of thsi illness it just takes trial and error time and tenacity....easier said and done - im having a major setback as we speak b/c of mercury.....after tasting the good life with MMS for over 6 mos......now I have what I feel is my final leg of my battle. With enough time I belive we can heal from this.....hang in there )

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:56 PM, jerryrwc <jerrysobel@...> wrote:

Hi Meredith,

thank you for sharing you experience with me. So it took six months of daily use to get you really well? Were you taking anything else with it, i.e. abx, or other killers?

I took it for a month and I really felt the herxes. I got up to 10 drops bid but I started to get a lot of esophageal problems and had to stop it. I even tried taking it with food but it did not help. I might go back on it again in the future.

Jerry

>

> > Has anyone heard of MMS helping a lyme patient? If so, how long did they

> > have to take it for?

> >

> > Jerry

> >

>

March 18, 2009

so are you saying the herxing from the MMS had you bedridden? or were

you bedridden from the lyme? is it arthritis symptoms that kept you

bedridden? i have arthritis and am housebound now due to it. am scared

to start any anti-bacterial prot for fear herxing will put me over the

top. if my pain levels increase any i am thinking i'd have to throw

myself in front of a bus.

monique

yes it really has kept lyme and co infections under control - that is

with

no or few symptoms....

..everyone

reacts to it differently and I used to use

30 drops a day but found it was too much. I think less is best for me.

I had

no known side effects but i have no idea if there is long term damage

from

taking it....so just resreach it for yourself. )

I noticed it was working after teh first drop but then the herxes set

in -

it was about 6 mos before I was able to return to exercising after being

bedridden....

I dont know that it cures but for me it keeps it under control and I

dont

take much anymore juest every now and again....

March 18, 2009

it is a good idea to detox the gut,liver & kidneys b-4 killing microorganisms with

anything !!

roger

From: Sauve <moniquesauve@...>Subject: [ ] Re: MMS for Lyme Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 6:36 PM

so are you saying the herxing from the MMS had you bedridden? or were you bedridden from the lyme? is it arthritis symptoms that kept you bedridden? i have arthritis and am housebound now due to it. am scared to start any anti-bacterial prot for fear herxing will put me over the top. if my pain levels increase any i am thinking i'd have to throw myself in front of a bus.moniqueyes it really has kept lyme and co infections under control - that is withno or few symptoms.... .everyone reacts to it differently and I used to use30 drops a day but found it was too much. I think less is best for me. I hadno known side effects but i have no idea if there is long term damage fromtaking it....so just resreach it for yourself. )I noticed it was working after teh first drop but then the herxes set in -it was about 6 mos before I was able to return to exercising after beingbedridden... .I dont know that it cures but for me it keeps it under control and I donttake much anymore juest every now and again....

March 18, 2009

it was b/c i was taking to much at lower doses I had improvements but with less herxing. part of the process with MMS - is adjusting and testing constantly....so only you can say what dose is too much o rif its right fo ryou at all.

I was housebound when I did too much, before I was mostly house bound...but after 6 mos on it I was riding horses again - after years of illness. I dont think Lyme in me is cured but I belive it is less of my issue at this point. I have mercury problems and quite frankly that is a tougher issue than Lyme was....

I woudl just advice you if you are in a ton on pain and starting MMS go as alsow as possible - try 1/4 drop if need be....and take days off and go up as you feel you can. If you give yourself breaks you will learn from your body what is a herx and how to dose it.....

) I hope you feel better soon. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Sauve <moniquesauve@...> wrote:

so are you saying the herxing from the MMS had you bedridden? or were

you bedridden from the lyme? is it arthritis symptoms that kept you

bedridden? i have arthritis and am housebound now due to it. am scared

to start any anti-bacterial prot for fear herxing will put me over the

top. if my pain levels increase any i am thinking i'd have to throw

myself in front of a bus.

monique

yes it really has kept lyme and co infections under control - that is

with

no or few symptoms....

..everyone

reacts to it differently and I used to use

30 drops a day but found it was too much. I think less is best for me.

I had

no known side effects but i have no idea if there is long term damage

from

taking it....so just resreach it for yourself. )

I noticed it was working after teh first drop but then the herxes set

in -

it was about 6 mos before I was able to return to exercising after being

bedridden....

I dont know that it cures but for me it keeps it under control and I

dont

take much anymore juest every now and again....

March 18, 2009

Yes is 100% right - if you cannot detox you will not improve. It shoudl be a ritual daily.....or as best you can. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Meredith W. <meredithbw@...> wrote: