Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 In California nursing and pharmacy programs, they don't mess around with the cheaper, immunoassay test. They are testing for so much stuff, they do GC/MS with every test. And why would they worry about expense? You and I are footing the bill! Carte blanche. > > > I have noticed that there hasn't been any > > > recent posts of people with false positve etg. I am > > > currently not being tested while waiting for > > > enforcement/probation in ca. I still truly believe > > > my positives are related to liver metabolism and > > > tylenol/seroquel/any meds effecting the > > > liver. But wouldn't doubt if I will ever know. Is > > > any body recently tested positive? I hope > > > nobody has, I wish this test would just disappear. I > > > dread being tested again, since I never > > > had more then a month without a positive. I am still > > > paranoid about using products, even > > > though I am not being tested. Just wondering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________\ \ > ____________ > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try > it now. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 I didn't know that they did that on etg samples. Does compassvison use this? --- Lorie <saclorie@...> wrote: > > GC/MS is 'gas chromatography mass spectrometry'. It > is the > method/machine they use for identifying and > measuring the EtG > concentration in a particular medium. The > immunoassay EtG test is much > cheaper but, because these types of tests yield > false positives, they > are used as screening tests and they must be > CONFIRMED using GC/MS, > which looks at the actual molecule (and therefore > doesn't yield false > positives). > > > > > I have noticed that there hasn't been any > > > recent posts of people with false positve etg. I > am > > > currently not being tested while waiting for > > > enforcement/probation in ca. I still truly > believe > > > my positives are related to liver metabolism and > > > tylenol/seroquel/any meds effecting the > > > liver. But wouldn't doubt if I will ever know. > Is > > > any body recently tested positive? I hope > > > nobody has, I wish this test would just > disappear. I > > > dread being tested again, since I never > > > had more then a month without a positive. I am > still > > > paranoid about using products, even > > > though I am not being tested. Just wondering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________\ > ____________ > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > www.Answers.. Try > it now. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. http://smallbusiness./r-index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 It stands for Gas Chrono(something) M(something) Spectrography -- I have it written down somewhere, I'll dig it out and find it for you. It breaks it down to the molecular level. I contested the validity of the EtG test. Hartman <jhartman32001@...> wrote: What is a GCMS, are you sure it was etg or etoh?--- Conlan <christopherconlan >wrote:> I tested positive a month ago in Family Drug Court. > It was false. They did a GCMS test and that showed> that it was a false positive, that's what they did> here in Arizona, don't know what they do in> California, but I'm pretty sure it involves giving> half your stuff to whoever was the last person you> spoke to in a bar, sort of like the divorce laws> there!> > Chris> > jhartman32001 <jhartman32001 > wrote:> I have noticed that there hasn't been any> recent posts of people with false positve etg. I am > currently not being tested while waiting for> enforcement/probation in ca. I still truly believe > my positives are related to liver metabolism and> tylenol/seroquel/any meds effecting the > liver. But wouldn't doubt if I will ever know. Is> any body recently tested positive? I hope > nobody has, I wish this test would just disappear. I> dread being tested again, since I never > had more then a month without a positive. I am still> paranoid about using products, even > though I am not being tested. Just wondering> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Access over 1 million songs - MusicUnlimited.__________________________________________________________Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try it now. Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 hi lorie,if there are more actual EtG molecules from false positive GCMS will still yield false positive ETG.GCMS simply excludes false positive due to instrument analysis error...picky picky picky i know...regards,r Lorie <saclorie@...> wrote: GC/MS is 'gas chromatography mass spectrometry'. It is themethod/machine they use for identifying and measuring the EtGconcentration in a particular medium. The immunoassay EtG test is muchcheaper but, because these types of tests yield false positives, theyare used as screening tests and they must be CONFIRMED using GC/MS,which looks at the actual molecule (and therefore doesn't yield falsepositives).> > I have noticed that there hasn't been any> > recent posts of people with false positve etg. I am> > currently not being tested while waiting for> > enforcement/probation in ca. I still truly believe> > my positives are related to liver metabolism and> > tylenol/seroquel/any meds effecting the> > liver. But wouldn't doubt if I will ever know. Is> > any body recently tested positive? I hope> > nobody has, I wish this test would just disappear. I> > dread being tested again, since I never> > had more then a month without a positive. I am still> > paranoid about using products, even> > though I am not being tested. Just wondering> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------> > Access over 1 million songs - Music> Unlimited.>>>>>__________________________________________________________\____________> Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Tryit now.> Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Not sure what you're saying, Robin. Maybe my post came across as saying that there are no 'false positives' with GC/MS. Technically, there aren't--The molecule is actually there. It is a 'false positive' for relapse (if, indeed, an alcoholic beverage was not consumed and the EtOH was ingested/absorbed/inhaled unknowingly or unintentionally). Is that what you were getting at? > > > I have noticed that there hasn't been any > > > recent posts of people with false positve etg. I am > > > currently not being tested while waiting for > > > enforcement/probation in ca. I still truly believe > > > my positives are related to liver metabolism and > > > tylenol/seroquel/any meds effecting the > > > liver. But wouldn't doubt if I will ever know. Is > > > any body recently tested positive? I hope > > > nobody has, I wish this test would just disappear. I > > > dread being tested again, since I never > > > had more then a month without a positive. I am still > > > paranoid about using products, even > > > though I am not being tested. Just wondering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________\ > ____________ > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.. Try > it now. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 > > I have noticed that there hasn't been any recent posts of people with false positve etg. I am > currently not being tested while waiting for enforcement/probation in ca. I still truly believe > my positives are related to liver metabolism and tylenol/seroquel/any meds effecting the > liver. But wouldn't doubt if I will ever know. Is any body recently tested positive? I hope > nobody has, I wish this test would just disappear. I dread being tested again, since I never > had more then a month without a positive. I am still paranoid about using products, even > though I am not being tested. Just wondering > > Hi, . I am on probation in CA and am an RN and I tested positive in Sept and Oct. My levels were 540-780 and I didn't drink and still can't figure out what it's from. They said I was in violation of probation and am now in a 21 day intensive outpatient program. I am afraid to eat, breath, etc. Sincerely, Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Diane, did they impose treatment based ONLY on those positive Etg levels? When did they make you go to treatment? Certainly at those levels there should not have been a 'no-questions asked' attitude of action...esp after the SAMHSA advisory came out. Just trying to get a take on what is happening and if the advisory has changed things. Thanks, doetta5555 <doetta5555@...> wrote: >> I have noticed that there hasn't been any recent posts of people with false positve etg. I am > currently not being tested while waiting for enforcement/probation in ca. I still truly believe > my positives are related to liver metabolism and tylenol/seroquel/any meds effecting the > liver. But wouldn't doubt if I will ever know. Is any body recently tested positive? I hope > nobody has, I wish this test would just disappear. I dread being tested again, since I never > had more then a month without a positive. I am still paranoid about using products, even > though I am not being tested. Just wondering> >Hi, . I am on probation in CA and am an RN and I tested positive in Sept and Oct. My levels were 540-780 and I didn't drink and still can't figure out what it's from. They said I was in violation of probation and am now in a 21 day intensive outpatient program. I am afraid to eat, breath, etc. Sincerely, Diane Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Yes, , it was recommended by my probation monitor to enter treatment. I met with her on Nov. 29th and began treatment Dec. 6th. It is on my contract that I had to enter a place by Dec. 15th. She hasn't mentioned anything about the SAMHSA report. She just said the board wants it less than 500 and that was that. I still need to speak to the MRO for Compass Vision. I was on Toradol IM and looked on the label and saw it has 10% alcohol in it. Does anyone think that is the culprit? I called the place that makes toradol but they didn't think it would interfere with any testing. I had mu Dr. change the med to pill form so we'll see if that changes anything. I hope I am posting this correctly. Thanks for listening. Diane > > > > I have noticed that there hasn't been any recent posts of people with > false positve etg. I am > > currently not being tested while waiting for enforcement/probation in > ca. I still truly believe > > my positives are related to liver metabolism and tylenol/seroquel/any > meds effecting the > > liver. But wouldn't doubt if I will ever know. Is any body recently > tested positive? I hope > > nobody has, I wish this test would just disappear. I dread being > tested again, since I never > > had more then a month without a positive. I am still paranoid about > using products, even > > though I am not being tested. Just wondering > > > > > Hi, . I am on probation in CA and am an RN and I tested positive in > Sept and Oct. My levels were 540-780 and I didn't drink and still can't > figure out what it's from. They said I was in violation of probation and > am now in a 21 day intensive outpatient program. I am afraid to eat, > breath, etc. Sincerely, Diane > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Consider reading Shore's book, " Beyond the Wall " . He's on the spectrum and happens to be married. His book talks about the challenges and benefits of relationships between individuals on and off the spectrum. Awareness of differences in communication stylessensory preferences, etc. may help a friendship or more go more smoothly. S S I'm sorry to bother people with this, but I'm 15 and I wanted to know whether or not if it is wrong in morals to be in love with someone with autism when you're not. _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 In a message dated 5/15/07 1:40:18 PM Central Daylight Time, weasleygirl2002@... writes: > I'm sorry to bother people with this, but I'm 15 and I wanted to know > whether or not if it is wrong in morals to be in love with someone with > autism when you're not. > So sorry to take so long to respond to your email. There is nothing immoral about loving someone with autism. Although it is a different kind of love, every parent on this list loves someone dearly with autism. And people with autism want love and companionship. Now they have biological issues that make it hard for them to be in that type of relationship...for some they have sensory issues and can be physically uncomforatable with physical affection. This won't mean they don't crave it...it just means they have a hard time tolerating it. Think of someone who has broken their foot but loves to play football. They can't tolerate being on that foot, but it doesn't mean they don't want to play football. So it can get confusing. Some don't have those physical issues but they do have other issues such as it being so much work for them to communicate that it just exhausts them. It isn't that they don't want friends or boyfriends or girlfriends...it's just exhausting. I mentioned just 2 of the problems but other parents are probably like me and are just praying that someone will love them dispite their challenges. One reason you may be having a hard time with this is because you worry how others will feel about it. I am 44 years old and just now getting past worrying how others will perceive me or look at me. Peer pressure is a powerful thing. But I'm learning to be true to myself and I know life will be MUCH better when I do. So the answer to your question is NO it is not morally wrong to love someone with autism any more than it would be wrong to love someone in a wheelchair or someone who is blind. they are people who need love but they have challenges. My advise to you is two fold. First, if you want to have a relationship with this person, you need to learn everything about autism that you can first. Study hard. It will not only help you to understand this other person better, but you can help others understand as well. It will prevent a lot of difficulties that could be avoided by getting that education. I can not emphasize this enough. Secondly, I hope you are are Christian because God promises to teach and guide us when we seek Him. He can help you through this. First and foremost you must be obedient to the Lord and He will put the pieces of your life together as He knows is best. God has no " grandchildren " , only children. My point is, that you are nearing adulthood and once you are an adult, this is who is to be your guide for the rest of our lives anyway. Our parents are supposed to raise us and point us toward our true father who takes over where they leave off. He will protect you, teach you, etc. when you seek Him with all your heart. This doesn't mean that when you become an adult, that you don't respect your parents...but it does mean that you do follow God first and foremost above all. He will arrange your relationships for you. You never want to go anywhere the Lord knows is wrong for you. That may be with this young man or it may not be...I have no idea. So for now, while still under your parents rule, begin by praying and studying. Then it will all fall into place. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 I'm so sorry, I mean to send the reply to this question to the posters personal address. Please forgive the error. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 In a message dated 7/24/2007 6:59:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, wanda85929@... writes: With the recent discussions regarding the detoxing while doing ear insufflating, I am wondering if those that have a lot of problems with this also have amalgam filling and does that somehow play into it. So are there any out there that don't have amalgam fillings that do not have problems detoxing when doing ear insufflating? Some have mentioned they don't get any oozing or anything else while insufflating. Just wondering if there is any correlation. Gail I do not have amalgam fillings but do have lots of problems with ears oozing, swelling internally to where the canal is almost shut, my teeth won't shut in the back due to swelling in jaws, (I dislike this the most) large bumps and sores behind ears, in front of ears, down side of face and neck. there are times I feel lousy like I have the flu and have a temp. For the above reasons, there are times when ear insufflations are seconds ....not minutes. Edith ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 > With the recent discussions regarding the detoxing while doing ear > insufflating, I am wondering if those that have a lot of problems with > this also have amalgam filling and does that somehow play into it. Not in my case... I only had one filling (yes, it was an amalgam), got it when I was in the Coast Guard back in the early eighties... then had it replaced with a composite about 15 years ago. The dentists that did it seemed very competent, but this was pretty early in the learning process about these things (at least for me)... She did do muscle testing, and I was actually very surprised at how differently my muscles reacted to the different materials on the tray (about 50 of them) - although kinesiology has always been suspect in my mind, due to its nature - too much room for mental influence to play a part - both intentional and unintentional (on the parts of both tester and testee)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Hi Gail, People who get no discharge when doing ozone haven’t done enough:-) This is not a goal to be trying to reach, it means you have not released your toxins yet, for what ever reason… embrace your healing, stop trying to run from it. Sherri-Lee Usborne Books Consultant _____ From: oxyplus [mailto:oxyplus ] On Behalf Of wanda85929 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:59 PM oxyplus Subject: Wondering With the recent discussions regarding the detoxing while doing ear insufflating, I am wondering if those that have a lot of problems with this also have amalgam filling and does that somehow play into it. So are there any out there that don't have amalgam fillings that do not have problems detoxing when doing ear insufflating? Some have mentioned they don't get any oozing or anything else while insufflating. Just wondering if there is any correlation. Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Sherri-Lee, I'm not sure what you are trying to say. I did/do get discharge when doing ear insufflating. The problem I had was doing too much too fast. I realize we have to go through the detoxing, but I also think one has to go at their own pace rather than trying to go at a pace others think they should go at. I've also notice when I do other forms of ozone the same day I do ear insufflating, I get way more discharge. Stands to reason as you would have more ozone in your body as a whole. The other day I did 1/2 hour vaginal insufflating, followed by 2 minutes ear insufflating in each ear, and then that evening did a 30 minute sauna. My ears drained, and drained, and drained, and drained. I want to concentrate more on ear insufflating because I have so much brain fog so often. Even if I have to go slowly (have said I'm on the 15 month plan: 1 minute increase each month until I reach a total of 15 minutes insufflating), I'm determined to concentrate on my ears/head. And if I'm still having a lot of trouble when I reach the 15 month mark, I will withdraw from that program and enroll in the 'however long it takes' program. I think I have underestimated ear insufflating. I'd been concentrating more on saunas and vaginal insufflating that I'd neglected my ears. Probably got a lot going on in my head that needs to be addressed. Question: Does one ever get to the place where they don't get a discharge from their ears when insufflating? Gail -- In oxyplus , Sherri-Lee Pressman <s-lp@...> wrote: > > Hi Gail, > > > > People who get no discharge when doing ozone haven't done enough:-) > > > > This is not a goal to be trying to reach, it means you have not released > your toxins yet, for what ever reason… embrace your healing, stop trying to > run from it. > > > > Sherri-Lee > > Usborne Books Consultant > > _____ > > From: oxyplus [mailto:oxyplus ] On Behalf Of > wanda85929 > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:59 PM > oxyplus > Subject: Wondering > > > > With the recent discussions regarding the detoxing while doing ear > insufflating, I am wondering if those that have a lot of problems with > this also have amalgam filling and does that somehow play into it. So > are there any out there that don't have amalgam fillings that do not > have problems detoxing when doing ear insufflating? Some have > mentioned they don't get any oozing or anything else while > insufflating. Just wondering if there is any correlation. > > Gail > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Gail, I am saying that you are always sounding like you are trying to avoid the discomfort of healing and I am encouraging you to endure it anyway, because of the rewards at the end. Having now seen how much other ozone you are doing I am not surprised at your reactions. When I was doing a lot of ozone, the worst reaction always came out from the most tender and loaded place, for me the ears. Easy to dump out of and very loaded with candida and very tender. I would suggest not doing your ears on the same day as a sauna and doing more time. I doubt at the end of 15 months on your plan that you would have achieved real healing and you will still have to tough it through the discomfort anyway only it will be 15 months from now. I hope I am wrong, but my experience doesn't support that. That's all:-) Sherri-Lee Usborne Books Consultant _____ From: oxyplus [mailto:oxyplus ] On Behalf Of wanda85929 Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 2:49 PM oxyplus Subject: Re: Wondering Sherri-Lee, I'm not sure what you are trying to say. I did/do get discharge when doing ear insufflating. The problem I had was doing too much too fast. I realize we have to go through the detoxing, but I also think one has to go at their own pace rather than trying to go at a pace others think they should go at. I've also notice when I do other forms of ozone the same day I do ear insufflating, I get way more discharge. Stands to reason as you would have more ozone in your body as a whole. The other day I did 1/2 hour vaginal insufflating, followed by 2 minutes ear insufflating in each ear, and then that evening did a 30 minute sauna. My ears drained, and drained, and drained, and drained. I want to concentrate more on ear insufflating because I have so much brain fog so often. Even if I have to go slowly (have said I'm on the 15 month plan: 1 minute increase each month until I reach a total of 15 minutes insufflating), I'm determined to concentrate on my ears/head. And if I'm still having a lot of trouble when I reach the 15 month mark, I will withdraw from that program and enroll in the 'however long it takes' program. I think I have underestimated ear insufflating. I'd been concentrating more on saunas and vaginal insufflating that I'd neglected my ears. Probably got a lot going on in my head that needs to be addressed. Question: Does one ever get to the place where they don't get a discharge from their ears when insufflating? Gail -- In oxyplus@groups <mailto:oxyplus%40> .com, Sherri-Lee Pressman <s-lp@...> wrote: > > Hi Gail, > > > > People who get no discharge when doing ozone haven't done enough:-) > > > > This is not a goal to be trying to reach, it means you have not released > your toxins yet, for what ever reason. embrace your healing, stop trying to > run from it. > > > > Sherri-Lee > > Usborne Books Consultant > > _____ > > From: oxyplus@groups <mailto:oxyplus%40> .com [mailto:oxyplus@groups <mailto:oxyplus%40> .com] On Behalf Of > wanda85929 > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:59 PM > oxyplus@groups <mailto:oxyplus%40> .com > Subject: Wondering > > > > With the recent discussions regarding the detoxing while doing ear > insufflating, I am wondering if those that have a lot of problems with > this also have amalgam filling and does that somehow play into it. So > are there any out there that don't have amalgam fillings that do not > have problems detoxing when doing ear insufflating? Some have > mentioned they don't get any oozing or anything else while > insufflating. Just wondering if there is any correlation. > > Gail > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Honestly, Gail. I do not think so. My reasoning is that as much as we crank up and become more cognizant of our daily pollutants via food ingested, environment, cosmetic substances such as shampoos, lotions, etc. we cannot avoid them altogether. Doing so would be tanamount to livng in a bubble which none of us do. I do believe that as long as the body harbors these contaigens, the body when exposed to Ozone will release them. Also, the longer we avoid, postpone or minimize the purging, the more it will build and the worse the outcome will be as when we readdress the process. It will, imho, always be a work in progress. wanda85929 <wanda85929@...> wrote: Question: Does one ever get to the place where they don't get a discharge from their ears when insufflating? Gail -- In oxyplus , Sherri-Lee Pressman wrote: > > Hi Gail, > > > > People who get no discharge when doing ozone haven't done enough:-) > > > Regards, Carol Ann ~ and the bush was consumed.........Exodus 3:2 Reign of The Mayberry Machiavellis ends in 2008. --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 > Even if I have to go slowly (have said I'm on > the 15 month plan: 1 minute increase each month until I reach a total > of 15 minutes insufflating), Just a thought - it might be easier transitioning if you increased it by 15 seconds each week, instead of a full minute each months... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 > Just a thought - it might be easier transitioning if you increased it by > 15 seconds each week, instead of a full minute each months... > Good idea, . Thank you for suggesting it. What I am actually doing this time around it simply really, really listening to my body in order to go at it's individual pace. When I first started ear insufflating, I did exactly what you did. Started at 15 minutes 3 times a day. Did not have any reaction until about 2-3 weeks, and then you know the story, I'm sure. I regret I didn't get more informed before starting and that I ended up quiting altogether. It's taking quite a while to get over the scare of it. Everything swelling shut was the scariest for me. The 1 minute increase monthly is just a time frame I'm giving myself to allow myself a tolerable rate to detox. It's not set in stone, tho, and is actually going faster than I thought it would. As of today, I'm up to 2 & 1/2 minutes in each ear, and it's only been about 5 weeks. It hasn't been too bad doing it this way, and as the oozing slows down, I simply increase a little to start it up again and so on, always keeping a very close eye on how much swelling is going on. Another thing I'm doing this time around is taking 800 IU vitamin E daily, making sure to take it long after insufflating. I actually started taking it for gum disease, but noticed it is really pleasant for the skin: gums, ears, & skin in general, so the chapping that often comes with insufflating is not bad at all. I'm so anxious to get my brain back, and hope this will contribute to that. It does seem to be waking it up some. Oh, also, thank you and Edith for responding to my amalgan question. I thought that might cause a need for more detoxing, but since the two of you also had severe reaction insufflating and don't have amalgan fillings that tells me the reactions is other forms of toxins in the head being detoxed. Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Hi, Replies below. gail -- In oxyplus , Simon Jester <tanstaafl@...> wrote: > > > I'm up to 2 & 1/2 minutes in each ear, and it's only been > > about 5 weeks. > > Are you doing them both simultaneously? And are you doing them 3 x per day? *** No, & only once a day. 2 1/2 minutes in one ear, and then 2 1/2 in the other. > > > It hasn't been too bad doing it this way, and as the oozing slows > > down, I simply increase a little to start it up again and so on, > > always keeping a very close eye on how much swelling is going on. > > What have you found is the biggest tell-tale sign that you need to slow > down? *** Well, like I said in another post, the first time I started ear insufflating I did way too much too soon. There was the usual itch, redness, drainage, but it was the swelling that really scared me because everything closed up, ears, eyes, & throat, so I'd have to say the swelling, for me, is the biggest tell-tale. And the way I decide when it is time to increase is because the drainage slows way down to almost a stop, so I increase the length of insufflating by 30 seconds. However, I might even decrease that to only 15 seconds and simply observe the effect it has on me. > > > Another thing I'm doing this time around is taking 800 IU vitamin E > > daily, making sure to take it long after insufflating. I actually > > started taking it for gum disease, but noticed it is really pleasant > > for the skin: gums, ears, & skin in general, so the chapping that > > often comes with insufflating is not bad at all. > > I highly recommend adding the clay/charcoal slurries to your protocol. <snip> *** I've used them in the past and they are great, but I get really bad charlie horses when using the activated charcoal. Even when I am careful to take it 2 hours before or after eating/supplementing. For me it's a problem. > - to see if I can speed up getting the crap out *** I am soooooooo excited about what I am learning about pacing myself. Let me explain. While watching Ohpra, she will often have her personal trainer (the one that helped her lose weight), and also her favorite cardiologist on the show. What the cardiologist said about weight loss is, 'most people feel like they have to go on an intense diet in order to lose weight, but really all one has to do is decrease their daily caloric intake by 100 calories, and the weight will start to come off.' 100 calories is simple an apple or a piece of whole wheat bread, nothing big at all. And the weight trainer said, 'the bottom line is you have to have more going out than coming in calorie wise.' *** I believe the same principle can be applied to detoxing! It's the same thing, so when you say 'speed up getting the crap out', all you really have to do is make sure more is going out than coming in, and it doesn't even have to be that much more. By that I really mean just a steady amount that will not overwhelm you, while all the time making sure more is going out than whatever you are exposed to is going it, but it does take patience! *** I also realize everybody's personalities are different. Mine was always the kind that just jumps in; sink or swim, and I to be healed now! <chuckle> That just seems to be human nature because most people want things done now. That was the mistake I made when I approached ozone. I thought a sauna would do it all, and I jumped in without doing any cleansing, etc. Same with the ear insufflating. *** I am absolutely loving ear insufflating now. I don't know if it, or the piracetam, or the combination of both is working, but something is, and I'M LOV'N IT! My plan is to work up to 15 minutes daily (I have no desire to do it 3 times daily), no matter how long it takes, and then to just keep doing it. My brain is getting better, and once I get it back, I'm going to do all I can to keep it. *** Please keep up posted on your progress. Gail while lessening the > oozing/weeping/scabbing... I'll also be applying thick hydrated clay > (like a facial mask) to the outside of my head and around and on the > outside of my ears. > > I'll post back once I have started to let everyone know if this works... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Hi, Replies below. gail -- In oxyplus , Simon Jester <tanstaafl@...> wrote: > > > I'm up to 2 & 1/2 minutes in each ear, and it's only been > > about 5 weeks. > > Are you doing them both simultaneously? And are you doing them 3 x per day? *** No, & only once a day. 2 1/2 minutes in one ear, and then 2 1/2 in the other. > > > It hasn't been too bad doing it this way, and as the oozing slows > > down, I simply increase a little to start it up again and so on, > > always keeping a very close eye on how much swelling is going on. > > What have you found is the biggest tell-tale sign that you need to slow > down? *** Well, like I said in another post, the first time I started ear insufflating I did way too much too soon. There was the usual itch, redness, drainage, but it was the swelling that really scared me because everything closed up, ears, eyes, & throat, so I'd have to say the swelling, for me, is the biggest tell-tale. And the way I decide when it is time to increase is because the drainage slows way down to almost a stop, so I increase the length of insufflating by 30 seconds. However, I might even decrease that to only 15 seconds and simply observe the effect it has on me. > > > Another thing I'm doing this time around is taking 800 IU vitamin E > > daily, making sure to take it long after insufflating. I actually > > started taking it for gum disease, but noticed it is really pleasant > > for the skin: gums, ears, & skin in general, so the chapping that > > often comes with insufflating is not bad at all. > > I highly recommend adding the clay/charcoal slurries to your protocol. <snip> *** I've used them in the past and they are great, but I get really bad charlie horses when using the activated charcoal. Even when I am careful to take it 2 hours before or after eating/supplementing. For me it's a problem. > - to see if I can speed up getting the crap out *** I am soooooooo excited about what I am learning about pacing myself. Let me explain. While watching Ohpra, she will often have her personal trainer (the one that helped her lose weight), and also her favorite cardiologist on the show. What the cardiologist said about weight loss is, 'most people feel like they have to go on an intense diet in order to lose weight, but really all one has to do is decrease their daily caloric intake by 100 calories, and the weight will start to come off.' 100 calories is simple an apple or a piece of whole wheat bread, nothing big at all. And the weight trainer said, 'the bottom line is you have to have more going out than coming in calorie wise.' *** I believe the same principle can be applied to detoxing! It's the same thing, so when you say 'speed up getting the crap out', all you really have to do is make sure more is going out than coming in, and it doesn't even have to be that much more. By that I really mean just a steady amount that will not overwhelm you, while all the time making sure more is going out than whatever you are exposed to is going it, but it does take patience! *** I also realize everybody's personalities are different. Mine was always the kind that just jumps in; sink or swim, and I to be healed now! <chuckle> That just seems to be human nature because most people want things done now. That was the mistake I made when I approached ozone. I thought a sauna would do it all, and I jumped in without doing any cleansing, etc. Same with the ear insufflating. *** I am absolutely loving ear insufflating now. I don't know if it, or the piracetam, or the combination of both is working, but something is, and I'M LOV'N IT! My plan is to work up to 15 minutes daily (I have no desire to do it 3 times daily), no matter how long it takes, and then to just keep doing it. My brain is getting better, and once I get it back, I'm going to do all I can to keep it. *** Please keep up posted on your progress. Gail while lessening the > oozing/weeping/scabbing... I'll also be applying thick hydrated clay > (like a facial mask) to the outside of my head and around and on the > outside of my ears. > > I'll post back once I have started to let everyone know if this works... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 From: " Simon Jester " <tanstaafl@...> I > will be experimenting with using clay water (hydrated clay, with lots of > extra water) in the ears - I'm just going to fill the ear opening up and > let it sit there for 10 or 15 minutes (adjusting the time if necessary) > - to see if I can speed up getting the crap out while lessening the > oozing/weeping/scabbing... I'll also be applying thick hydrated clay > (like a facial mask) to the outside of my head and around and on the > outside of my ears. ********************* I hope someone can correct me if I'm " all wet " , but the thought of leaving ANY watery solution in ears is making me very nervous. Oil, yes H2O2, yes I love clay, and applaud your idea of using it around your head and ears. But water can be very difficult to thoroughly remove/dry from the ears, thus leaving a real happy hunting ground for fungi. I'm willing to learn if the fact that the clay is in the water will mitigate this effect. Until I'm convinced, though, you couldn't pay me to put water in my ears. I've had (and may still have, on occasion), " fungal ears " . That condition led me to getting a Plasmafire from Saul in the first place. Ok, knowledgeable ones----fire away! Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 >> I highly recommend adding the clay/charcoal slurries to your >> protocol. <snip> > I've used them in the past and they are great, but I get really > bad charlie horses when using the activated charcoal. Even when I am > careful to take it 2 hours before or after eating/supplementing. For > me it's a problem. Weird - and interesting... I wonder if charcoal can temporarily pull calcium from the blood? This would definitely cause the cramps, especially if you are already low... Do you ever have problems with them (charlie-horses) otherwise? > And the weight trainer said, 'the bottom line is you have to have > more going out than coming in calorie wise.' Bingo... the cardiologist was also right, but *only* if you were eating *less* than one hundred calories *more* than were being consumed by daily activity. Anyone interested in weight loss might find the idea of 'Negative Calorie Foods' interesting. It is simply foods that (supposedly) require more energy for their digestion than they provide to the body when digested... increasing the quantity of these kinds of foods should, in theory, help to change the ratio to one favorable to losing weight... There are actually people selling this information, but here's a site that lists them for free: http://www.fatfreekitchen.com/negative-calorie-foods.html Of course, everyone's metabolism is different, and I'm guessing that this isn't quite the weight loss miracle that it is touted to be, but it is still interesting... > I believe the same principle can be applied to detoxing! Of course it can... What you are doing - keeping the uncomfortable detox symptoms/reactions to just below the intolerable level - is fine, as long as you aren't being too 'wimpy' about what constitutes 'intolerable'... and no, I'm not saying you are... > so when you say 'speed up getting the crap out', all you really have > to do is make sure more is going out than coming in, and it doesn't > even have to be that much more. Of course - but at the same time, there is no reason to stretch the process out for longer than is necessary, is there? And if there is a way to *reduce* the detox symptoms, thereby *increasing* the amount of junk coming out - why on earth would you *not* want to do that? > I am absolutely loving ear insufflating now. I don't know if it, > or the piracetam, or the combination of both is working, but > something is, and I'M LOV'N IT! My plan is to work up to 15 minutes > daily (I have no desire to do it 3 times daily), If you're loving it, why not? > My brain is getting better, and once I get it back, I'm going to do > all I can to keep it. Well, you sure are inspiring me... I got my new FIR/ozone sauna set up this weekend, and think my mindset is almost to the point of getting started... don't ask - I'm weird - I have to prepare myself mentally and emotionally before starting this stuff. I'm also going to add in the SomaLife GHP, and the neuro-ceuticals. > Please keep us posted on your progress. I certainly will... I really hope the clay/charcoal stuff will help with the symptoms. My plan is to start right in at 15 mins 2x per day (I no longer live close enough to work to go home for lunch), only because I want to really test the effectiveness of the clay/charcoal at reducing these symptoms. I'll be drinking the clay/charcoal slurries at least 4 or 5 times per day from the beginning. I'll start applying the clay topically at night when I first start to notice the rash/weeping starting up (guess I'll have to get my wife to make me some kind of pillow prtector). When the rash/weeping starts, I'll also begin using the clay-charcoal-water inside the ear canal - 15 minutes in the morning, after that session, 15 minutes after lunch, and 15-30 minutes after my evening session - to see if it will control it, or at least keep it at a tolerable level while doing the full 15 minutes. If it doesn't, then I'll back off, stop ear insufflation until the weeping is almost gone, then start at 1 min 2x day and increase by 1 minute each week until the reactions kick in (to more quickly find my current manageable tolerance level), and then back off again, and then start increasing by 15 seconds each week and just resign myself to having to do it more slowly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 >> I highly recommend adding the clay/charcoal slurries to your >> protocol. <snip> > I've used them in the past and they are great, but I get really > bad charlie horses when using the activated charcoal. Even when I am > careful to take it 2 hours before or after eating/supplementing. For > me it's a problem. Weird - and interesting... I wonder if charcoal can temporarily pull calcium from the blood? This would definitely cause the cramps, especially if you are already low... Do you ever have problems with them (charlie-horses) otherwise? > And the weight trainer said, 'the bottom line is you have to have > more going out than coming in calorie wise.' Bingo... the cardiologist was also right, but *only* if you were eating *less* than one hundred calories *more* than were being consumed by daily activity. Anyone interested in weight loss might find the idea of 'Negative Calorie Foods' interesting. It is simply foods that (supposedly) require more energy for their digestion than they provide to the body when digested... increasing the quantity of these kinds of foods should, in theory, help to change the ratio to one favorable to losing weight... There are actually people selling this information, but here's a site that lists them for free: http://www.fatfreekitchen.com/negative-calorie-foods.html Of course, everyone's metabolism is different, and I'm guessing that this isn't quite the weight loss miracle that it is touted to be, but it is still interesting... > I believe the same principle can be applied to detoxing! Of course it can... What you are doing - keeping the uncomfortable detox symptoms/reactions to just below the intolerable level - is fine, as long as you aren't being too 'wimpy' about what constitutes 'intolerable'... and no, I'm not saying you are... > so when you say 'speed up getting the crap out', all you really have > to do is make sure more is going out than coming in, and it doesn't > even have to be that much more. Of course - but at the same time, there is no reason to stretch the process out for longer than is necessary, is there? And if there is a way to *reduce* the detox symptoms, thereby *increasing* the amount of junk coming out - why on earth would you *not* want to do that? > I am absolutely loving ear insufflating now. I don't know if it, > or the piracetam, or the combination of both is working, but > something is, and I'M LOV'N IT! My plan is to work up to 15 minutes > daily (I have no desire to do it 3 times daily), If you're loving it, why not? > My brain is getting better, and once I get it back, I'm going to do > all I can to keep it. Well, you sure are inspiring me... I got my new FIR/ozone sauna set up this weekend, and think my mindset is almost to the point of getting started... don't ask - I'm weird - I have to prepare myself mentally and emotionally before starting this stuff. I'm also going to add in the SomaLife GHP, and the neuro-ceuticals. > Please keep us posted on your progress. I certainly will... I really hope the clay/charcoal stuff will help with the symptoms. My plan is to start right in at 15 mins 2x per day (I no longer live close enough to work to go home for lunch), only because I want to really test the effectiveness of the clay/charcoal at reducing these symptoms. I'll be drinking the clay/charcoal slurries at least 4 or 5 times per day from the beginning. I'll start applying the clay topically at night when I first start to notice the rash/weeping starting up (guess I'll have to get my wife to make me some kind of pillow prtector). When the rash/weeping starts, I'll also begin using the clay-charcoal-water inside the ear canal - 15 minutes in the morning, after that session, 15 minutes after lunch, and 15-30 minutes after my evening session - to see if it will control it, or at least keep it at a tolerable level while doing the full 15 minutes. If it doesn't, then I'll back off, stop ear insufflation until the weeping is almost gone, then start at 1 min 2x day and increase by 1 minute each week until the reactions kick in (to more quickly find my current manageable tolerance level), and then back off again, and then start increasing by 15 seconds each week and just resign myself to having to do it more slowly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 >> I will be experimenting with using clay water (hydrated clay, with >> lots of extra water) in the ears - I'm just going to fill the ear >> opening up and let it sit there for 10 or 15 minutes (adjusting the >> time if necessary) - to see if I can speed up getting the crap out >> while lessening the oozing/weeping/scabbing... I'll also be >> applying thick hydrated clay (like a facial mask) to the outside of >> my head and around and on the outside of my ears. > I hope someone can correct me if I'm " all wet " , but the thought of > leaving ANY watery solution in ears is making me very nervous. Oil, > yes H2O2, yes What do you think is in the other 97% of 3% H2O2? > I love clay, and applaud your idea of using it around your head and > ears. > > But water can be very difficult to thoroughly remove/dry from the > ears, thus leaving a real happy hunting ground for fungi. I understand your trepidation... but this is an experiment. I'm also concerned about the drying effect the clay may have... > I'm willing to learn if the fact that the clay is in the water will > mitigate this effect. Until I'm convinced, though, you couldn't pay > me to put water in my ears. Did you think I was recommending that anyone else try this? Certainly I didn't say anything that could be misconstrued that way? > I've had (and may still have, on occasion), " fungal ears " . That > condition led me to getting a Plasmafire from Saul in the first > place. I'll find out soon enough... I'm really hoping that just drinking lots of it will do most of the work - and maybe I'll just have to apply the clay topically at night - I think I'll modify my plan to not do the clay-charcoal-water *inside* the ear canal unless/until the topical application fails. I'll apply it topically all over the outside of the ears, and inside the outer ear opening. The main thing I want to do is eliminate the obvious, ugly/nasty looking rash/scabbing. I can tolerate pretty much anything else, as long as other people don't have to see what looks like gangrenous lumps on the side of my head... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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