Re: If MMS worked then why.....

[Guest guest]

....am I still miserable and on top of that sick with some bug? I don't know if it's a cold or flu, but not only is my original illnesses still here and worse than ever actually, but the MMS didn't prevent the latest bug causing weakness, lump in my throat, whole body ache and worsened original problems I was taking MMS for in the first place. Some healthy people claim to take it just to keep healthy, but apparently MMS hasn't done anything for me. By the way, I take MSM a couple hours after MMS. Not that either works (as of yet anyway).

[Guest guest]

I dont know Vicki, perhaps what ails you isnt related to a germ virus or fungus....perhaps what ails you is something that needs a different approach. remember MMS is a search and destroy killer , perhaps your body needs a substance that builds it . Have you tried colostrum? coloidial silver , herbs that build , vitamins and minerals that give your body what it needs? Have you given up sugar , refined foods and do you juice fresh vegetables?Have you tried prayer and meditation/

MMS isnt the only answer.

Wilkins

Check out www.mormon.org --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Vicki <genuinelysweet2002@...> wrote:

From: Vicki <genuinelysweet2002@...>Subject: Re: [ ] If MMS worked then why..... Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 8:16 PM

....am I still miserable and on top of that sick with some bug? I don't know if it's a cold or flu, but not only is my original illnesses still here and worse than ever actually, but the MMS didn't prevent the latest bug causing weakness, lump in my throat, whole body ache and worsened original problems I was taking MMS for in the first place. Some healthy people claim to take it just to keep healthy, but apparently MMS hasn't done anything for me. By the way, I take MSM a couple hours after MMS. Not that either works (as of yet anyway).

[Guest guest]

Thanks , yes I have tried all that and for a long period of time, and a whole more more stuff. But my understanding is all these illnesses are caused by a germ of some sort.

good night.

From: Vicki <genuinelysweet2002>Subject: Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] If MMS worked then why.....miracle_mineral_ supplementDate: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 8:16 PM

....am I still miserable and on top of that sick with some bug? I don't know if it's a cold or flu, but not only is my original illnesses still here and worse than ever actually, but the MMS didn't prevent the latest bug causing weakness, lump in my throat, whole body ache and worsened original problems I was taking MMS for in the first place. Some healthy people claim to take it just to keep healthy, but apparently MMS hasn't done anything for me. By the way, I take MSM a couple hours after MMS. Not that either works (as of yet anyway).

[Guest guest]

Well it also could be that your toxin load has increased as the bugs are dying off. This can make you feel worse.

Wilkins

Check out www.mormon.org --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Vicki <genuinelysweet2002@...> wrote:

From: Vicki <genuinelysweet2002@...>Subject: Re: [ ] If MMS worked then why..... Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 12:17 AM

Thanks , yes I have tried all that and for a long period of time, and a whole more more stuff. But my understanding is all these illnesses are caused by a germ of some sort.

good night.

From: Vicki <genuinelysweet2002>Subject: Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] If MMS worked then why.....miracle_mineral_ supplementDate: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 8:16 PM

....am I still miserable and on top of that sick with some bug? I don't know if it's a cold or flu, but not only is my original illnesses still here and worse than ever actually, but the MMS didn't prevent the latest bug causing weakness, lump in my throat, whole body ache and worsened original problems I was taking MMS for in the first place. Some healthy people claim to take it just to keep healthy, but apparently MMS hasn't done anything for me. By the way, I take MSM a couple hours after MMS. Not that either works (as of yet anyway).

[Guest guest]

Vicki,

I have experienced this situation that describes below. While I sometimes feel better, I sometimes feel much worse...it is usually after I have experienced a bout with the "DTs" indicating I have had a big die-off. My health consultant explained that as some of the critters are coming out of deep tissue they go from chronic or sort of under the radar to a more active state, making me feel worse until the MMS can eliminate them. I do take a liver detox support supplement to aid my body in elimination and drink tons of pure water to help the process as well.

From: Wilkins <montemomma2002@...> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:56:25 AMSubject: Re: [ ] If MMS worked then why.....

Well it also could be that your toxin load has increased as the bugs are dying off. This can make you feel worse.

Wilkins

Check out www.mormon.org --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Vicki <genuinelysweet2002> wrote:

From: Vicki <genuinelysweet2002>Subject: Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] If MMS worked then why.....miracle_mineral_ supplementDate: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 12:17 AM

Thanks , yes I have tried all that and for a long period of time, and a whole more more stuff. But my understanding is all these illnesses are caused by a germ of some sort.

good night.

From: Vicki <genuinelysweet2002>Subject: Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] If MMS worked then why.....miracle_mineral_ supplementDate: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 8:16 PM

....am I still miserable and on top of that sick with some bug? I don't know if it's a cold or flu, but not only is my original illnesses still here and worse than ever actually, but the MMS didn't prevent the latest bug causing weakness, lump in my throat, whole body ache and worsened original problems I was taking MMS for in the first place. Some healthy people claim to take it just to keep healthy, but apparently MMS hasn't done anything for me. By the way, I take MSM a couple hours after MMS. Not that either works (as of yet anyway).

[Guest guest]

On 12/11/2008, Vicki (genuinelysweet2002@...) wrote:

> Thanks , yes I have tried all that and for a long period of

> time, and a whole more more stuff. But my understanding is all these

> illnesses are caused by a germ of some sort.

Germs - except maybe in the case of engineered super bugs - do not cause

disease - they are a SYMPTOM. This is called the theory (which has been

verified numerous times by numerous different people) of pleomorphism.

Germs will thrive when the inner terrain is in poor condition, and will

revert to harmless or even beneficial forms when the inner terrain is

healthy.

So - things like CS that 'kill germs' are really only effective to treat

the *symptoms* ('body overrun with 'germs'). If you don't deal with the

*problem*, then they will just come back, usually worse than before.

If you have 'tried all that stuff and a whole lot more', then it might

be a good idea to regroup - stop taking all that stuff (especially stuff

that you arnot sure is helping you), and start over.

Cleansing the liver is one of the most important things to do... the

worse shape the liver is in, the worse is your body's ability to absorb

and make use of nutrients - *especially* 'supplement' type nutrients

(concentrated)...

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks , yes I have tried all that and for a long period of

time, and a whole more more stuff. But my understanding is all these

illnesses are caused by a germ of some sort.

>  

> good night. 

>

>

Vicki,

Have you tried the coffee enemas?

I'm looking into the Gerson Therapy. His take on it is: heal the

immune system; heal the illness, the liver being one of the major

components to the immune system. According to him, " the chronic

disease patient has a weak, damaged liver; the cancer patient has a

toxic liver. "

" In the course of a six-year clinical study, Dr. Lechner and his

colleagues were able to justify Dr. Gerson's use of coffee enemas by

following up independent research by C. Djerassi (1959) and Kaufmann

(1963). This showed that the two active ingredients of the coffee--

cafestol and kahweol--INCREASED UP TO SEVENFOLD THE ACTIVITY OF

GLUTATHIONE S-TRANSFERASE, which , as we know from the Minnesota

research, plays a central role in the eliminations of toxins from the

liver " , Healing The Gerson Way, by Carlotte Gerson with Beata Bishop.

Gerson's protocol is mostly a high potassium/no or low sodium diet

approch trying to balance the cell with 90% postassium/10% sodium,

which is suppose to be a healthy cell. When this happens, balance is

restored and healing can start to take place by allowing the toxins

to be excreted from the cell. The coffee enemas then help the liver

to handle all those toxins that are being released.

According to him, it is not the 'germ' that is the problem, rather

the immune system. A healthy immune system will be able to handle

the germs.

This approach has worked form many illnesses even cancer. However,

there are a few that it can't cure, which he lists in his book.

Might be something you want to look into since you said the MMS

didn't heal you of anything.

Gai

[Guest guest]

i havent tried coffee enemas, i dont know anything about them? i tried various liver, colon and kidney cleanses and on a regular basis take milk thistle for the liver. Though have noticed there is another product that has a combination of ingredients for liver cleansning. I dont know if I should take it, i just take milk thistle becasue i am familiar with it i guess.

also, it was mentioned maybe that i could be experiencing die off. I sure hope so. I remember it was mentioned a lot on the antibiotic protocol board when I use to take them.

From: wanda85929 <wanda85929@...>Subject: [ ] Re: If MMS worked then why..... Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 12:48 PM

>> Thanks , yes I have tried all that and for a long period of time, and a whole more more stuff. But my understanding is all these illnesses are caused by a germ of some sort.> > good night. > >Vicki,Have you tried the coffee enemas? I'm looking into the Gerson Therapy. His take on it is: heal the immune system; heal the illness, the liver being one of the major components to the immune system. According to him, "the chronic disease patient has a weak, damaged liver; the cancer patient has a toxic liver." "In the course of a six-year clinical study, Dr. Lechner and his colleagues were able to justify Dr. Gerson's use of coffee enemas by

following up independent research by C. Djerassi (1959) and Kaufmann (1963). This showed that the two active ingredients of the coffee--cafestol and kahweol--INCREASED UP TO SEVENFOLD THE ACTIVITY OF GLUTATHIONE S-TRANSFERASE, which , as we know from the Minnesota research, plays a central role in the eliminations of toxins from the liver", Healing The Gerson Way, by Carlotte Gerson with Beata Bishop.Gerson's protocol is mostly a high potassium/no or low sodium diet approch trying to balance the cell with 90% postassium/10% sodium, which is suppose to be a healthy cell. When this happens, balance is restored and healing can start to take place by allowing the toxins to be excreted from the cell. The coffee enemas then help the liver to handle all those toxins that are being released.According to him, it is not the 'germ' that is the problem, rather the immune system. A healthy immune system

will be able to handle the germs.This approach has worked form many illnesses even cancer. However, there are a few that it can't cure, which he lists in his book. Might be something you want to look into since you said the MMS didn't heal you of anything. Gai

[Guest guest]

I have read somewhere that eating apples helps absorb the toxins that

are produced during a die off. I think it had something to do with

the apple pectin.If it is die off maybe that will speed the cleansing

process.

IN NC

> >

> > Thanks , yes I have tried all that and for a long period of

> time, and a whole more more stuff. But my understanding is all

these

> illnesses are caused by a germ of some sort.

> >  

> > good night. 

> >

> >

> Vicki,

>

> Have you tried the coffee enemas?

>

> I'm looking into the Gerson Therapy. His take on it is: heal the

> immune system; heal the illness, the liver being one of the major

> components to the immune system. According to him, " the chronic

> disease patient has a weak, damaged liver; the cancer patient has a

> toxic liver. "

>

> " In the course of a six-year clinical study, Dr. Lechner and his

> colleagues were able to justify Dr. Gerson's use of coffee enemas

by

> following up independent research by C. Djerassi (1959) and

Kaufmann

> (1963). This showed that the two active ingredients of the coffee--

> cafestol and kahweol--INCREASED UP TO SEVENFOLD THE ACTIVITY OF

> GLUTATHIONE S-TRANSFERASE, which , as we know from the Minnesota

> research, plays a central role in the eliminations of toxins from

the

> liver " , Healing The Gerson Way, by Carlotte Gerson with Beata

Bishop.

>

> Gerson's protocol is mostly a high potassium/no or low sodium diet

> approch trying to balance the cell with 90% postassium/10% sodium,

> which is suppose to be a healthy cell. When this happens, balance

is

> restored and healing can start to take place by allowing the toxins

> to be excreted from the cell. The coffee enemas then help the liver

> to handle all those toxins that are being released.

>

> According to him, it is not the 'germ' that is the problem, rather

> the immune system. A healthy immune system will be able to handle

> the germs.

>

> This approach has worked form many illnesses even cancer. However,

> there are a few that it can't cure, which he lists in his book.

> Might be something you want to look into since you said the MMS

> didn't heal you of anything.

>

> Gai

>

[Guest guest]

On 12/12/2008, Loftin Wilkins (montemomma2002@...) wrote:

> I have read somewhere that eating apples helps absorb the toxins that

> are produced during a die off. I think it had something to do with

> the apple pectin.If it is die off maybe that will speed the cleansing

> process.

This is true, and why apple pectin is one of the main ingredients in my

personal favorite, Dr Schulze's #2 formula:

Bentonite clay

Activated charcoal

Apple pectin

Cayenne

There are other ingredients, but these are the main ones.

Personally, I just make my own, with the only difference being that I

use fully hydrated clay rather than dry - it works better, and has less

potential for causing constipation (and you don't need to drink as much

water)...

[Guest guest]

Hi Vicki,

I'm new to the coffee enemas, too. From what I've read, tho if you

are experiencing die off, it is a result of too many toxins being

released too quickly for the liver to handle. All the more reason to

try the coffee enemas or other things (i.e. activated charcoal, etc.)

to help take the load off the overworked liver.

The ingredients in the coffee is suppose to aid in the glutathione

transferase, which is what eliminates the toxins from the liver.

Sick people usually have a depleated amount of glutathione production

from what I've read.

Don't know if you want to give it a try or not. But if so, it's 3

heaping talbespoons coffee in 32 ozs. water. Bring to a boil, boil

for three minutes, reduced heat, simmer covered for 30 minutes, let

cool, add additional water that has boiled to make the total amount

of liquid equal the 32 ozs you started with, strain, and use the

liquid to do a retained 10-12 minute eneama. If can't retain for

that length of time, just do what you can.

I've had a headache completely go away with my first coffee enema.

Hope you are feeling better by now.

Take care,

Gail

-- In , Vicki

<genuinelysweet2002@...> wrote:

>

>

> i havent tried coffee enemas, i dont know anything about them? i

tried various liver, colon and kidney cleanses and on a regular basis

take milk thistle for the liver. Though have noticed there is another

product that has a combination of ingredients for liver cleansning. I

dont know if I should take it, i just take milk thistle becasue i am

familiar with it i guess.

>  

> also, it was mentioned maybe that i could be experiencing die off.

I sure hope so. I remember it was mentioned a lot on the antibiotic

protocol board when I use to take them.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

may i ask the purpose of the coffee enema? Do you do This while

taking the MMS? Artielle

[Guest guest]

It's suppose to relieve the burden the liver is under processing the

extra load of toxins when one starts to detox.

I have only done two as I am new to it. I am not taking the MMS drops

at the moment. I think it would probably help with any die off when

taking them.

gail

-- In , " Artielle "

<tlhough@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi,

> may i ask the purpose of the coffee enema? Do you do This while

> taking the MMS? Artielle

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you gail,

I have been off the MMS for about 5 days. Plan to restart tomorrow

morning. I had some skin rash with severe itching and pain in the

knees so bad I was walking with a cane for almost a week. It has all

passed at the moment. It is a little scary, but I feel that it is the

right thing to just get back on, so to speak. Hope I'm not making a

mistake. I'll ponder the coffee enemas. Not sure I can do it.

Artielle

> It's suppose to relieve the burden the liver is under processing the

> extra load of toxins when one starts to detox.

>

> >

> > Hi,

> > may i ask the purpose of the coffee enema? Do you do This while

> > taking the MMS? Artielle

> >

>

[Guest guest]

On 12/13/2008 5:35 PM, Artielle wrote:

> may i ask the purpose of the coffee enema? Do you do This while

> taking the MMS? Artielle

Its similar to a liver flush - it stimulates the liver/gall bladder to

dump any toxins it may be holding onto into the colon for elimination.

[Guest guest]

No it has not been verified. Think about it. If someone is in a sterile

bubble all their life they would still suddenly get germs occurring? Read

the account of the bubble boy. It never happened to him.

Germs are the cause of infections not the symptom. Granted a lower immune

system will allow the germs to gain the upper hand BUT if there are NO germs

about, then a totally non working immune system is fine! No disease will

occur in such a case.

> Re: [ ] If MMS worked then why.....

>

> On 12/11/2008, Vicki (genuinelysweet2002@...) wrote:

> > Thanks , yes I have tried all that and for a long period of

> > time, and a whole more more stuff. But my understanding is all these

> > illnesses are caused by a germ of some sort.

>

> Germs - except maybe in the case of engineered super bugs -

> do not cause

> disease - they are a SYMPTOM. This is called the theory

> (which has been

> verified numerous times by numerous different people) of pleomorphism.

>

> Germs will thrive when the inner terrain is in poor

> condition, and will

> revert to harmless or even beneficial forms when the inner terrain is

> healthy.

>

> So - things like CS that 'kill germs' are really only

> effective to treat

> the *symptoms* ('body overrun with 'germs'). If you don't

> deal with the

> *problem*, then they will just come back, usually worse than before.

>

> If you have 'tried all that stuff and a whole lot more', then it might

> be a good idea to regroup - stop taking all that stuff

> (especially stuff

> that you arnot sure is helping you), and start over.

>

> Cleansing the liver is one of the most important things to do... the

> worse shape the liver is in, the worse is your body's ability

> to absorb

> and make use of nutrients - *especially* 'supplement' type nutrients

> (concentrated)...

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 12/15/2008, (msadams@...) wrote:

> No it has not been verified. Think about it. If someone is in a sterile

> bubble all their life they would still suddenly get germs occurring?

Only if his inner terrain reached a certain (depressed) level -

apparently his did not.

> Read the account of the bubble boy. It never happened to him.

Because of his circumstances, he did not live on junk food and other

garbage - which, in case you hadn't noticed, lots of people 'live on'

for quite some time before developing the disease that results in them

getting the treatments (chemo, radiation, etc) that end up killing them.

> Germs are the cause of infections not the symptom. Granted a lower immune

> system will allow the germs to gain the upper hand BUT if there are NO germs

> about, then a totally non working immune system is fine! No disease will

> occur in such a case.

You can't use a single, totally unique special case like the bubble boy

to dismiss this.

Regardless of any of the unique, special circumstances 'the bubble boy'

brings to the table, it has been shown many times that 'germs' will

morph into totally benign entities if the underlying problem (poor

terrain) is addressed. Doctors like to call this 'spontaneous

remission', but others know better.

Read up on Antoine Bechamp, Royal Rife, Gaston Naessens, and many others...

There is far more evidence to support the theory of pleomorphism than

there has ever been to support the germ theory of disease.

Or, continue to choose to believe whatever you want...

[Guest guest]

But there are always germs, all the time everywhere.

I worry about damage to my immune system that will remain even once the germs are out right?

According to traditional doctors, the virus and/or bacteria are long gone and now i must live with damaged immune system, is this false? i want it to be.If all i need is for the MMS to get rid of these germs and they are still in me, what about future ones? i mean, why didnt the immune system kill the germs to begin with and leave my healthy tissue alone?

how do i know it wont reoccur even if MMS got me much better? by taking it forever?

> > Thanks , yes I have tried all that and for a long period of> > time, and a whole more more stuff. But my understanding is all these> > illnesses are caused by a germ of some

sort.> > Germs - except maybe in the case of engineered super bugs - > do not cause> disease - they are a SYMPTOM. This is called the theory > (which has been> verified numerous times by numerous different people) of pleomorphism.> > Germs will thrive when the inner terrain is in poor > condition, and will> revert to harmless or even beneficial forms when the inner terrain is> healthy.> > So - things like CS that 'kill germs' are really only > effective to treat> the *symptoms* ('body overrun with 'germs'). If you don't > deal with the> *problem*, then they will just come back, usually worse than before.> > If you have 'tried all that stuff and a whole lot more', then it might> be a good idea to regroup - stop taking all that stuff > (especially stuff> that you arnot sure is helping you), and start

over.> > Cleansing the liver is one of the most important things to do... the> worse shape the liver is in, the worse is your body's ability > to absorb> and make use of nutrients - *especially* 'supplement' type nutrients> (concentrated) ...> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >

[Guest guest]

do you have to use DMSO cream with it? Is there somehting else I can use?

How much do you use? Do you increase same as if you did it orally?

I had no idea it could cause ulcer or yeast. I mean I take probioitcs daily but suppsedly it only targets bad bacteria and viruses not the good bacteria. Ugh, i have been worried about yeast infection but becasue I am always red and inflammed from the complete dryness, its sometimes hard to tell if on top of that i have feminine yeast infection but lately its been worse, not sure if its from the MMS. My peripheral neuropathy has been so bad too, again, dont know if MMS worsened it or coincidental. If it did anything permanently to worsen thigns I would just die.

From: Siegel <ssiegel5verizon (DOT) net>Subject: Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: If MMS worked then why.....Coffee Enemasmiracle_mineral_ supplementDate: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 2:30 PM

Vicki,

Have you tried using the MMS transdermally. That way you avoid the digestive tract altogether. I would also reccomend using probiotics while on the MMS especially if you are having loose stools. Because along with the toxins you expel, you also are loosing good bacteria.

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

I know you!

So yes I did the infrared sleeping bag I bought for months. I stayed in it two hours each time, to get sweat going. And still certain parts of me just dont sweat anymore, armpits included. Its so weird. The few places that sweat still dont sweat much and take forever to sweat. I did it in hopes of curing my ailments, one alternative doctor said a couple Lupus patients were cured with it.

Its everything though, no secretions of any kind work. At least the lack of sweat doenst hurt like of other secretions. But I tend to use it as a benchmark since the arm pits are completely dry no matter what i do. Some other secretions fluctuate a little, but always on the very low side.

From: Sauve <moniquesauve@...>Subject: [ ] Re: If MMS worked then why.....Coffee Enemas Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 12:03 PM

have you tried an infrared sauna? i don't normally sweat but in that thing boy do i ever. takes longer for me to work up a good sweat than my hubby but in that thing i can.moniqueso taking milk thistle and doing colon cleanses doens't work as well as coffee enemas? just want to make sure as i have tried so much w/out results and this seems like a more difficult procedure. how often is it done to potentially see symptom relief? even the colon cleanses one cant do all the time, not sure how often is recommended. but i feel like the MMS is making me go to the bathroom more than usual, so you'd think some of the toxins are being released that way and on top i take milk thistle. my body doesnt sweat so cant remove toxins that way. i would be so happy to be able to sweat again and everything else that's wrong. I'm nauseues and the MMS hasnt helped but made the exisiting problem worse despite

going slow. i cant stand the dryness of my eyes, mouth etc... even worse than usual, but i will keep doing the MMS and hope for the best. i guess i lose hope when i read people allegedly recovering from disease in 1 day with MMS, seems a bit muchno? seems like quite the claim anyway, im on it much longer than a day and not quite such results.

[Guest guest]

On 12/15/2008, Vicki (genuinelysweet2002@...) wrote:

> But there are always germs, all the time everywhere.

Exactly...

> I worry about damage to my immune system that will remain even once

> the germs are out right?

The body has an amazing ability to heal itself...

> According to traditional doctors, the virus and/or bacteria are long

> gone and now i must live with damaged immune system, is this false? i

> want it to be.

The bodys ability to heal itself goes way beyond what 'modern' (they are

NOT 'traditional', in any true sense of the word) 'doctors' think they know.

> If all i need is for the MMS to get rid of these germs and they are

> still in me, what about future ones? i mean, why didnt the immune

> system kill the germs to begin with and leave my healthy tissue

> alone?

Germs will only develop and thrive in an UNHEALTHY terrain... get your

inner terrain in order, and they will disappear and/or revert to

harmless (or even beneficial) forms...

> how do i know it wont reoccur even if MMS got me much better? by

> taking it forever?

MMS excels in its ability to kill bugs - but poor health does not result

from an MMS defecit.

[Guest guest]

I will and apparently you will too

<snip>

> There is far more evidence to support the theory of pleomorphism than

> there has ever been to support the germ theory of disease.

>

> Or, continue to choose to believe whatever you want...

>

>