Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 On 10/10/2009, olinboyer (olinboyer@...) wrote: > Can the Citric Acid activator be mixed stronger than 10% (1Tbsp)? Actually, Jim now recommends a 50% citric acid solution, so the MMS1-to-activator ratio can then be 1-to-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Wasn't the 50% each citric/water for use with the capsule only? Just want to make sure. thanks From: Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...> Sent: Sat, October 10, 2009 10:53:50 AMSubject: Re: [ ] MMS/Citric Acid ratio On 10/10/2009, olinboyer (olinboyercox (DOT) net) wrote:> Can the Citric Acid activator be mixed stronger than 10% (1Tbsp)?Actually, Jim now recommends a 50% citric acid solution, so theMMS1-to-activator ratio can then be 1-to-1. Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Tanstafl, This is good information. Since a size OO capsule can only hold ten drops, you can only put in one drop of MMS1 plus five drops of the 10% citric acid solution. (Size OO capsules have a volume of 0.91 ml.) When the MMS1:activator ratio is 1:1 using the 50% citric acid solution, then you can put up to 5 drops of MMS in a size 00 capsule. Taking MMS1 in capsules made on-the-spot is far more palatible than taking it straight (ignoring the upset stomach phenomenon). Which raises another question - what herb(s) can you take to counteract the upset stomach phenomena - Peppermint? Also, using the suggested activator ratios (for either 110% or 50% citric acid solutions) causes the overall solution to be quite acidic - something on the order of pH = 5.5. Would the MMS1 be more beneficial if the amount of citric acid added only lowered the pH to seven, even though less chlorine dioxide is created? from Israel > > Can the Citric Acid activator be mixed stronger than 10% (1Tbsp)? > > Actually, Jim now recommends a 50% citric acid solution, so the > MMS1-to-activator ratio can then be 1-to-1. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 >>> > > Can the Citric Acid activator be mixed stronger than 10% (1Tbsp)? > > Actually, Jim now recommends a 50% citric acid solution, so the > MMS1-to-activator ratio can then be 1-to-1. ><<<<<<<Never read anything like this before. Please cite your reference.Humble's (not real sure who your 'Jim' might be) last instructions preferred the raw apple cider vinegar, Bragg's, over the citric acid. And here's the source: Warnings about using vinegar TIP REGARDING CANDIDA: At one time we recommended vinegar as a good activator for MMS. However, the vinegar MUST be unfiltered and un pastuerized. If you use regular vinegar as the activator, some of it remains available to feed yeast and candida. Quite the opposite occurs when unfiltered unpastuerized vinegar is used. BRAGG is one popular brand name. Recent research articles claim that unfiltered vinegar BY ITSELF can quench and kill candida. And with MMS it is highly effective in eliminating candida. Therefore we should probably raise unfiltered vinegar to the top of the acid-activator list. After swirling the two ingredients and waiting three minutes, any unused vinegar is welcome as a candida deterant. Otherwise, MMS is very effective at eliminating candida when citric acid, or lemon juice is used as the activator. TIP REGARDING TASTE: After gulping down a big dose of MMS with 1/2 cup or more of water added (no juice in this example), then one mouthful of PRUNE JUICE properly swished around, then swallowed will completely erase the taste and the memory of the MMS. My jug of prune juice has no vitamin C (it says). Pomegranate juice also leaves a nice taste in the mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 On 10/10/2009, Yochanan (yburkett@...) wrote: > When the MMS1:activator ratio is 1:1 using the 50% citric acid > solution, then you can put up to 5 drops of MMS in a size 00 capsule. Yep... > Taking MMS1 in capsules made on-the-spot is far more palatible than > taking it straight (ignoring the upset stomach phenomenon). > > Which raises another question - what herb(s) can you take to > counteract the upset stomach phenomena - Peppermint? Upset stomach could be a sign of an allergy to citric acid itself... have you experimentd with other activators to see if it is the MMS or the citric acid that is causing the stomach problem? If the MMS, then it should eventually get better. If it doesn't get better, enabling you to slowly increase the dose, then the citric acid probably doesn't agree with you. This is not uncommon (to not be able to tolerate citric acid), just so you know. > Also, using the suggested activator ratios (for either 110% or 50% > citric acid solutions) causes the overall solution to be quite acidic > - something on the order of pH = 5.5. Would the MMS1 be more > beneficial if the amount of citric acid added only lowered the pH to > seven, even though less chlorine dioxide is created? That I don't know... but I'll tend to take Jims word, seeing as he has considerable experience using MMS with many different people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 On 10/10/2009, pwyll_cyan (cyan43@...) wrote: >> Actually, Jim now recommends a 50% citric acid solution, so the >> MMS1-to-activator ratio can then be 1-to-1. > Never read anything like this before. Please cite your reference. Sure... I cited my source... Jim, and yes, I meant Jim Humble (what other Jim could I mean?). It was, in fact, an email I got from him, in response to a question I sent about the possibility of adding liquid HCL to the list of recommended activators. > Humble's (not real sure who your 'Jim' might be) lol - pwyll, your juvenile attempt to denigrate my reference is laughable. You really don't want to go down this road. > last instructions preferred the raw apple cider vinegar, Bragg's, > over the citric acid. And here's the source: That source is not dated (that is definitely a problem with most of the stuff online written by Jim and others), nor do you provide a link to the actual web page so that the context can be ascertained. Also, I imagine the parts with emphasis don't have the emphasis in the original, which, if true, means you are MISQUOTING Jim. Please don't do that. But, you are misreading it if you think it means that he is recommending it OVER citric acid... he is not and does not, UNLESS you have problems with citric acid. The email response I got from Jim was on the 7th (3 days ago), wherein he said: " I am now recommending that 50% citric acid be used instead of 10% and thus one can then use it at a 1 to 1 ratio. That is one drop of citric to one drop of MMS. " Also, here is a recent page discussing the 50% citric acid for using MMS1 in capsule form: http://jimhumble.biz/biz-capsules.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 >> Wasn't the 50% each citric/water for use with the capsule only? Just want to make sure. thanks Ah, that would make more sense. I’m still not sure about the limitation of liquid volume, but at least in a capsule it would be much easier mixed than in a glass. Shouldn’t this also mean that you reduce the wait time 80% though? I see no mention of that (would be helpful if in a capsule, as it doesn’t take long for them to get squishy when containing liquid). Regarding Citric/Raw ACV etc. We’ve been experimenting with Malic Acid powder. I have no idea about the Candida angle with Malic, but it appears to be what’s in ACV. The taste (subjectively) is better than Citric imho, as Citric is what causes the gag reflex for me much more than the Chlorite. It’s extremely tart – you can almost identify the sherbert lemons taste in it, in that it tastes like a significant part of the taste profile of those kind of boiled sweets (no idea if this is true, just the impression I felt). Finally the Ph, I’m no chemist, but I would have thought that if you neutralised or basified the mixture then the ClO2 would probably stop being released, would it not? From what I’ve read it seems the amount of Hydrochloric in the stomach can vary quite a lot from person to person, so we’re all probably getting different half life anyway. Personally I think it’s not a bad thing to have a little extra acid in the stomach, and we likely exacerbate stomach acid conditions when taking antacids (a little counter intuitive I know). For pure speculation, I would guess that if you have an acid (digestive) condition then acid could initially make it feel worse, but the trick might be to slowly ramp up HCl (tablets?) to get the body used to having acid in there, and to contain it properly. It looks like there’s a correct place for the acid and the alkaline substances in the body, and try to not be so off the chart in either direction that the body has a hard time maintaining the blood Ph it desires. I could be full of BS though as I’ve never experimented in this area and am completely unqualified. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4496 (20091010) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 , Why couldn't you put the MMS1 + activator in the capsule and swallow it immediately? from Israel --- In , " Bond " <pmbond@...> wrote: > > >> Wasn't the 50% each citric/water for use with the capsule only? Just want > to make sure. thanks > > > > Ah, that would make more sense. I'm still not sure about the limitation of > liquid volume, but at least in a capsule it would be much easier mixed than > in a glass. Shouldn't this also mean that you reduce the wait time 80% > though? I see no mention of that (would be helpful if in a capsule, as it > doesn't take long for them to get squishy when containing liquid). > > > > Regarding Citric/Raw ACV etc. We've been experimenting with Malic Acid > powder. I have no idea about the Candida angle with Malic, but it appears > to be what's in ACV. The taste (subjectively) is better than Citric imho, > as Citric is what causes the gag reflex for me much more than the Chlorite. > It's extremely tart - you can almost identify the sherbert lemons taste in > it, in that it tastes like a significant part of the taste profile of those > kind of boiled sweets (no idea if this is true, just the impression I felt). > > > > Finally the Ph, I'm no chemist, but I would have thought that if you > neutralised or basified the mixture then the ClO2 would probably stop being > released, would it not? From what I've read it seems the amount of > Hydrochloric in the stomach can vary quite a lot from person to person, so > we're all probably getting different half life anyway. Personally I think > it's not a bad thing to have a little extra acid in the stomach, and we > likely exacerbate stomach acid conditions when taking antacids (a little > counter intuitive I know). For pure speculation, I would guess that if you > have an acid (digestive) condition then acid could initially make it feel > worse, but the trick might be to slowly ramp up HCl (tablets?) to get the > body used to having acid in there, and to contain it properly. It looks > like there's a correct place for the acid and the alkaline substances in the > body, and try to not be so off the chart in either direction that the body > has a hard time maintaining the blood Ph it desires. I could be full of BS > though as I've never experimented in this area and am completely > unqualified. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 On 10/11/2009 2:30 AM, Bond wrote: >> Wasn't the 50% each citric/water for use with the capsule only? Just >> want to make sure. thanks > Ah, that would make more sense. No, he recommends it - for those who tolerate citric acid ok - for any/all MMS1 use. Of course, it isn't required, the 10% works just fine, the 50% is simply more convenient. From what he said, he experimented with this *because* of the problem of limited volume/space available in the capsules, but when he found out how well it works, he realized it only made sense to change the general recommendation. > Shouldn’t this also mean that you reduce the wait time 80% though? No. You're still mixing the same amount of citric acid, its just a higher concentration. > I see no mention of that (would be helpful if in a capsule, as it > doesn’t take long for them to get squishy when containing liquid). Actually, you don't need to wait at all... here's a link to Jims instructions for taking MMS1 in capsules: http://jimhumble.biz/biz-capsules.htm > Regarding Citric/Raw ACV etc. We’ve been experimenting with Malic Acid > powder. I have no idea about the Candida angle with Malic, but it > appears to be what’s in ACV. The taste (subjectively) is better than > Citric imho, as Citric is what causes the gag reflex for me much more > than the Chlorite. It’s extremely tart – you can almost identify the > sherbert lemons taste in it, in that it tastes like a significant part > of the taste profile of those kind of boiled sweets (no idea if this is > true, just the impression I felt). I haven't ordered my liquid HCL, but I'm hoping I can find a decent concentration to get a 1-1 ratio, same as citric acid. But, there are lots of different ways to activate it. In a separate email I'll post the response I got from Jim as to how to determine the correct number of drops for the HCL - then you can simply apply those instructions to determine the correct concentration of any other acid you might want to experiment with. > For pure speculation, I would guess that if you have an acid > (digestive) condition then acid could initially make it feel worse, > but the trick might be to slowly ramp up HCl (tablets?) <snip> > I could be full of BS though as I’ve never experimented in this area > and am completely unqualified. Actually, you're right on the money. Most 'acid reflux' conditions are a symptom of too *little* acid. There's an excellent article on some studies done on liquid HCL supplementation where it worked near miracles in the vast majority of people involved... I'll find it and post it later (in a hurry now), along with the email response from Jim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Maybe that’s the way to do it, though I haven’t seen the protocol. I was just messing one day with regular 10% citric and seeing how much I could get in there, but it got soggy pretty quick – still doable, but I wouldn’t want to take my time about it. Perhaps it’s something to do some experimentation with. >>, Why couldn't you put the MMS1 + activator in the capsule and swallow it immediately? >> from Israel __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4497 (20091011) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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