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Tawny,

I was sooo very sick on MTX. I just could not tolerate it the drug. I pray

you feel better or they find something that works better for you with less

side effects.

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Toni,

I remember how sick you were on mtx. I will try the injections a few

times, hope it gets better. If not, I will have to find something.

Thanks Toni

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Hi Sue,

Do you know the cause of cold at the extremities? I’m

not qualified to comment, but wonder if it’s a capilliary constriction,

blood viscosity or pressure or something else. I feel sure that there must be

something you can do to assist this. Have you tried cayenne, silica hydride or

anything else?

>>Now that winter is here again i'm immobilized - my extremeites are just

so cold - feet are like block of ice and I live in south texas.

>>I can't find it in me to move. I was on antbx for 12 years in youth.

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, In the case of my wife, her coldness was definitely due to a fungus

buildup - we are removing it now with Cansema. She also takes flushing niacin

(vitamin B3 - nicotinic acid) and cayenne for circulation. Both these substances

are also antifungal.

from Israel

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> Hi Sue,

>

>

>

> Do you know the cause of cold at the extremities? I'm not qualified to

> comment, but wonder if it's a capilliary constriction, blood viscosity or

> pressure or something else. I feel sure that there must be something you

> can do to assist this. Have you tried cayenne, silica hydride or anything

> else?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >>Now that winter is here again i'm immobilized - my extremeites are just so

> cold - feet are like block of ice and I live in south texas.

> >>I can't find it in me to move. I was on antbx for 12 years in youth.

>

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On 10/11/2009, Yochanan (yburkett@...) wrote:

> , In the case of my wife, her coldness was definitely due to a

> fungus buildup - we are removing it now with Cansema. She also takes

> flushing niacin (vitamin B3 - nicotinic acid) and cayenne for

> circulation. Both these substances are also antifungal.

These are a powerful combo...

B3 is actually made up of two parts - the flushing part, commonly called

niacin (nocotinic acid), and the non-flushing part, commonly called

niacinamide.

Ref:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/niacin/NS_patient-niacin

The flushing effect of niacin - which I rather enjoy - is the evidence

of the opening up the capillaries (tiny blood vessels near the surface

of the skin), obviously excellent for increasing the circulation in the

capillaries - and cayenne is just an incredible all around herb that has

numerous benefits of its own, *and* has the added benefit of amplifying

the beneficial effects of other herbs when combined.

Some believe that niacinamide acts in a similar fashion as niacin, but

on the blood vessels deep inside the body - those around the organs,

etc. When taking a large enough dose, you'll kind of feel a

creepy-crawly feeling deep inside - thats supposedly the blood vessels

opening up, kind of an 'internal flush' effect. There is no medical

literature I can find that backs up this assertion though.

Both niacin and niacinamide are used in the 'Clear Body Clear Mind'

detox program, an excellent but advanced method for detoxing the

body/mind. It was designed by a scumbag that also happens to be the

author of one of my all time favorite sci-fi novels, L. Ron Hubbard. You

just have to ignore the whole 'Scientology' garbage that he also created

in order to swindle people and amass a fortune. Imnsho he was an

incredible writer.

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Hate to appear so stupid, but what is Cansema? I have been looking for something I might take to get rid of fungus. I have no idea how to even know how much either, but know my daughter was told was all in her ears years ago, and I have strange things happening to me also but contributed to being poisoned and all I know is the Lord showed me it was Mercury poisoning. Any info will be appreciated. Thanks,

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...> wrote:

 

On 10/11/2009, Yochanan (yburkett@...) wrote:> , In the case of my wife, her coldness was definitely due to a> fungus buildup - we are removing it now with Cansema. She also takes

> flushing niacin (vitamin B3 - nicotinic acid) and cayenne for> circulation. Both these substances are also antifungal.These are a powerful combo...B3 is actually made up of two parts - the flushing part, commonly called

niacin (nocotinic acid), and the non-flushing part, commonly calledniacinamide.Ref:http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/niacin/NS_patient-niacin

The flushing effect of niacin - which I rather enjoy - is the evidenceof the opening up the capillaries (tiny blood vessels near the surfaceof the skin), obviously excellent for increasing the circulation in the

capillaries - and cayenne is just an incredible all around herb that hasnumerous benefits of its own, *and* has the added benefit of amplifyingthe beneficial effects of other herbs when combined.Some believe that niacinamide acts in a similar fashion as niacin, but

on the blood vessels deep inside the body - those around the organs,etc. When taking a large enough dose, you'll kind of feel acreepy-crawly feeling deep inside - thats supposedly the blood vesselsopening up, kind of an 'internal flush' effect. There is no medical

literature I can find that backs up this assertion though.Both niacin and niacinamide are used in the 'Clear Body Clear Mind'detox program, an excellent but advanced method for detoxing thebody/mind. It was designed by a scumbag that also happens to be the

author of one of my all time favorite sci-fi novels, L. Ron Hubbard. Youjust have to ignore the whole 'Scientology' garbage that he also createdin order to swindle people and amass a fortune. Imnsho he was an

incredible writer.

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Thanks for those who replied, encouragement even is appreciated, can't get out long

extremeies issue cause i don't know - i'm having systemic issues that's one manifesation

J of I: what kind of response is your wife getting?

ALSO -does any body know iff cancer can be detected with a pelvic MRI if it's in the colon?

OR does anyone know a test to detect it body wide?

I know i have deep level dryness, the only time I've felt some relief is if I get saline intravenously and it swells my cell blood vessels, then I have som padding and feel

warmth throughout.

I have leaky gut severe, belch all day long, my body is in constant chaos mode -

seen lots of doc's the current one thinks it's all functional

thanks for letting me share, when you get to a pt like this and can't even get to a couselor or support grp it's heartening to have someone respond even if not as personal

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On 10/11/2009, Sue Cato (sue.cato@...) wrote:

> extremeies issue cause i don't know - i'm having systemic issues

Hi Sue,

I was re-reading this, and then noticed that you had sent an email back

in March asking about diabetic foot fungus...

Did you read the page that Klasi Lady emailed about yesterday, about

the one fungus that MMS not only will NOT cure, but will make WORSE?

Is it possible you have that?

Here is the contents of that page in its entirety:

It would have been simpler if MMS had been able

to handle everything in

the disease world, but there seems to be a fungus that MMS simply

doesn't touch. In fact, MMS seems to feed the fungus. This fungus can

occur in the the feet, or hands, or most any other place in the body.

It is not athlete's feet, it is much worse. All the athletes foot

sprays and powders do not touch it. It can occur on the skin,

and it seems to be much worse than any other skin infection. It

itches and burns terribly and it appears to be under the skin as well

as on the skin. It makes the skin slightly puff up, and it looks bad

and it gets worse.

The name of this fungus has not been identified. It can last

for years. I don't know if it has ever been fatal, but it seems to be

very bad and sometimes it can get into the mouth and gums

and cause much suffering. It also happens on the head or scalp

where it causes havoc.

This particular fungus reacts to MMS with a stinging burning pain. It

will almost always be worse after being treated with MMS. Your feet can

be so bad that you cannot walk. This is the only way to identify it

that I know of.

Luckily this particular fungus is rather rare. It does not

happen in very many people. However, I have included it here as I do

not know any other treatment than what I am about to tell of.

So if you have athlete's feet that will not go away, or gum

disease that MMS will not cure in less than one week, or skin disease

that just can't be treated successfully, then this is what to do, and

don't worry, it won't do any harm.

Go to most any health food store and buy a jar of Aztec Clay.

In foreign countries they have other clays that will work. All the

clays for this purpose are Bentonite and in France it is called

Montmorillonite. Mix this clay 50-50 with Vaseline (petroleum jelly).

Then smear it on the various areas. If your problem is in the feet,

smear it on the feet and cover it with thick socks. If it is on the

skin, smear it on the entire area of the infection.

If you do not use the Vaseline it will not work very well. Vaseline

makes it contact the skin and tissues and does something that makes it

work much better. Only in the mouth would I not use the Vaseline and

even there if it didn't work otherwise I would still use it. Just brush

your teeth with the Aztec Clay powder just like using any particular

tooth powder. Brush them gently, but three or four times a day.

The fungus infection should clear up in about one week. However, I

would keep a light coating on for a month or so. This treatment has

helped a number of people so far.

One more thing: There is always the possibility of getting a similar

fungus infection inside the body. In that case, use the same clay

inside the body by taking it by mouth. Start with 1 teaspoon of clay in

½ glass of water or juice and in several days work up to 2 tablespoon

full's (rounded) a day.

Dennis s sells a molecular silver solution that has produced

very good results. Some people use this two hours after MMS doses to

speed or supplement the MMS germicidal benefits. Molecular silver is

superior to most colloidal silver because it is manufactured with high

volages and is much higher in germicidal action. Call Dennis or

Jake at (928) 225-1816 in Las Vegas.

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on the site for pepper and garlic cancer cure they say if you are not pregnant and show positive on a pg test u may have cancer. It is information use your own discernment

prayers to youhttp://hubpages.com/hub/How-I-Cured-Stage-4-Cancer-in-Two-Weeks-For-Less-Than-The-Cost-Of-A-Night-At-The-Movies

From: Sue Cato <sue.cato@...> Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 1:38:35 PMSubject: [ ] Re:very sick

Thanks for those who replied, encouragement even is appreciated, can't get out long

extremeies issue cause i don't know - i'm having systemic issues that's one manifesation

J of I: what kind of response is your wife getting?

ALSO -does any body know iff cancer can be detected with a pelvic MRI if it's in the colon?

OR does anyone know a test to detect it body wide?

I know i have deep level dryness, the only time I've felt some relief is if I get saline intravenously and it swells my cell blood vessels, then I have som padding and feel

warmth throughout.

I have leaky gut severe, belch all day long, my body is in constant chaos mode -

seen lots of doc's the current one thinks it's all functional

thanks for letting me share, when you get to a pt like this and can't even get to a couselor or support grp it's heartening to have someone respond even if not as personal

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Dear Sue,

My wife has scabs forming over the fungus that was in her feet, ankles, and

lower legs. It looks horrible, but she is getting rid of fungus and has " hot "

extremities once again. The fungus is simply dissolving away, and the scabs are

being wrapped with paper towels just to soak it up. She used Cansema

(altcancer.com) to pull out the fungus, and is following up with Sangre de Drago

to aid the healing process. The Sangre de Drago is also someone analgesic. I

also purchased a TENS unit for her to deal with the pain. The TENS unit is made

by Bodyclock in the UK - we ordered it via the web.

My wife is taking milk thistle and dandelion root to assist in the detox process

through her liver and kidneys.

In your case, you should quit all antibiotics, eliminate all sugar, and take

probiotics so you can assimulate vitamins and minerals again. Take cinnamon to

regulate your blood sugar levels. Take psyllium for regularity.

Without a doubt, you have a fungus issue (cancer is fungus). Taking MMS1 is NOT

a good idea. I tried MMS1 on brown spots on my hands, and it only caused them to

get worse. The brown spots turned out to be the tentacles of white fungus

located beneath and in the skin. This white fungus is most likely candida

albicans. Similarly, the fungus beneath my wife's sores are also white. Dr.

Simoncini said cancerous tissue is always white, and proved it. Use Cansema to

get rid of cancer (fungus). Cansema is available as a tonic you can take

internally and as a salve that you can apply to skin cancer (fungus). The

internal Cansema tonic is essential to make sure that you get rid of all the

cancer (fungus). Also, iodine is essential. I recommend purchasing Iodoral,

taking 12.5 mg/day initially, and working up to 50 mg/day. Lugol's iodine has

been banned in the U.S. (at least in significant quantity purchases or

concentrations), so the Iodoral is a better choice for Americans. The Iodoral

(the pill form of Lugol's solution) will rid your body of fluoride, chlorine,

bromide, and mercury, the top toxins causing your problems. Be aware that you

must go slowly during the detoxing process, or you will suffer severe nausea,

extreme itching, and exhaustion. Things will get worse before they get better,

unfortunately. It took me seven months to get rid of all my external cancer

(fungus), and now I am working on getting rid of fungus in the oral cavity. I

believe it is fungus in the oral cavity that leads to people loosing their teeth

when they age (I am almost 60).

from Israel

--- In , " Sue Cato " <sue.cato@...>

wrote:

>

> Thanks for those who replied, encouragement even is appreciated, can't get out

long

>

> extremeies issue cause i don't know - i'm having systemic issues that's one

manifesation

>

> J of I: what kind of response is your wife getting?

>

> ALSO -does any body know iff cancer can be detected with a pelvic MRI if it's

in the colon?

>

> OR does anyone know a test to detect it body wide?

>

> I know i have deep level dryness, the only time I've felt some relief is if I

get saline intravenously and it swells my cell blood vessels, then I have som

padding and feel

> warmth throughout.

>

> I have leaky gut severe, belch all day long, my body is in constant chaos mode

-

> seen lots of doc's the current one thinks it's all functional

>

>

> thanks for letting me share, when you get to a pt like this and can't even get

to a couselor or support grp it's heartening to have someone respond even if not

as personal

>

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From: healinghope <mfrreman@...>Subject: [ ] Re:very sick Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 8:22 AM

from Israel why are you on a MMS site you seem to promote anything except??? You seem to be helped by everything but MMS. For me MMS was the one of the few things that helped.> >> > Thanks for those who replied, encouragement even is appreciated, can't get out long> > > > extremeies issue cause i don't know - i'm having systemic issues that's one manifesation> > > > J of I: what kind of response is your wife getting?> > > > ALSO -does any body know iff cancer can be detected with a pelvic MRI if it's in the colon?> > > > OR

does anyone know a test to detect it body wide?> > > > I know i have deep level dryness, the only time I've felt some relief is if I get saline intravenously and it swells my cell blood vessels, then I have som padding and feel> > warmth throughout.> > > > I have leaky gut severe, belch all day long, my body is in constant chaos mode -> > seen lots of doc's the current one thinks it's all functional> > > > > > thanks for letting me share, when you get to a pt like this and can't even get to a couselor or support grp it's heartening to have someone respond even if not as personal> >>

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On 10/12/2009, Wilkins (montemomma2002@...) wrote:

>> from Israel why are you on a MMS site you seem to promote

>> anything except??? You seem to be helped by everything but MMS. For

>> me MMS was the one of the few things that helped.

> Anything that will help us learn more about good health and perhaps

> help us get well is welcome...As long as its not spam.Website links

> in the tagline of your signature is also allowed if people do sell a

> product. People may also put a website link in the link section of

> our group.

I agree... 's first post was a bit antagonistic and obviously wrong

with respect to MMS2, and although he never responded to the posts

pointing out the flaws in his assumptions, he has apparently done a bit

of homework, which his more recent posts with regard to MMS reflect.

While I'm a firm believer in MMS1/2, that doesn't mean I throw out all

of the other powerful non MMS approaches to staying healthy, herbal

super foods being one of the biggies.

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I deliberately put a negative spin on the MMS2 to see how this audience would

defend it, and hence learn more about it. To date, I am unconvinced that MMS2

would have any effect on cancer (ie, fungus). However, I will reverse my

skepticism if a number of people come forward that prove it works. I know first

hand that MMS1 works on the flu, but not on fungus. Meanwhile, my attitude

toward MMS2 is " who needs it " , especially when there known, effective

antifungals such as iodine and burdock root that have a long history of curing

cancer (fungus). I also don't buy the idea that cancer is something beyond

fungus; it seems like a smokescreen put up by Big Pharma to confuse the masses.

Although I like Jim Humble's demeanor, I am skeptical of his taking the MMS1

(yes, one) and putting it on a growth on his hand and then claiming it was

healed (and perhaps it was). I tried it on my hand and all I got was a burning

sensation and redness. Perhaps he had a different type of fungus on his hand,

granted. Even he admits that MMS1 does not work for a " certain type of fungus " .

Known antifungals such as elecampane work on virtually all types of fungus, if

not all fungus, so why not use it instead?

from Israel

> >> from Israel why are you on a MMS site you seem to promote

> >> anything except??? You seem to be helped by everything but MMS. For

> >> me MMS was the one of the few things that helped.

>

> > Anything that will help us learn more about good health and perhaps

> > help us get well is welcome...As long as its not spam.Website links

> > in the tagline of your signature is also allowed if people do sell a

> > product. People may also put a website link in the link section of

> > our group.

>

> I agree... 's first post was a bit antagonistic and obviously wrong

> with respect to MMS2, and although he never responded to the posts

> pointing out the flaws in his assumptions, he has apparently done a bit

> of homework, which his more recent posts with regard to MMS reflect.

>

> While I'm a firm believer in MMS1/2, that doesn't mean I throw out all

> of the other powerful non MMS approaches to staying healthy, herbal

> super foods being one of the biggies.

>

> --

>

> Best regards,

>

>

>

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STERILOX super-oxidized water contains a mixture of oxidizing species,

predominantly hypochlorous acid (HOCl) and sodium hypochlorite. The STERILOX

super-oxidized water has a pH of 5-7 and an oxidation reduction potential

(redox) of around 1000 mV. The high redox potential allows for the quick and

efficient destruction of microbes (bacteria, viruses, fungi and spores).

Hypochlorous acid and hypochlorite are in equilibrium and the position of the

equilibrium is determined solely by the pH.

http://www.freshpatents.com/Treatment-of-infected-tissues-with-hypochlorous-acid\

-dt20080703ptan20080160612.php

I have had great success with MMS1 and MMS2 dealing with lyme disease, and

co-infections. I agree that cancer is fungus but also believe that types of

fungus we now deal with are engineered and not the a typical fungus. Do you

argue that hypochlorous acid is not the immune systems defense? To fight

anything including fungus the immune system comes in to play. Also can you argue

that hypochlorus acid is the discovery of the decade for healing wounds?? I

agree there are many alternatives, the ones you write of I tried with little

success, except iodine. I would not write of your healing with such doubt, why

would you doubt the discovery of MMS? Many dealing with lyme and morgellons

which is fungal related have found success only with MMS.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1853323

Objective: Hypochlorous acid (HOCl), a major inorganic bactericidal compound of

innate immunity, is effective against a broad range of microorganisms. Owing to

its chemical nature, HOCl has never been used as a pharmaceutical drug for

treating infection. In this article, we describe the chemical production,

stabilization, and biological activity of a pharmaceutically useful formulation

of HOCl. Methods: Stabilized HOCl is in the form of a physiologically balanced

solution in 0.9% saline at a pH range of 3.5 to 4.0. Chlorine species

distribution in solution is a function of pH. In aqueous solution, HOCl is the

predominant species at the pH range of 3 to 6. At pH values less than 3.5, the

solution exists as a mixture of chlorine in aqueous phase, chlorine gas,

trichloride (Cl3 & #8722;), and HOCl. At pH greater than 5.5, sodium hypochlorite

(NaOCl) starts to form and becomes the predominant species in the alkaline pH.

To maintain HOCl solution in a stable form, maximize its antimicrobial

activities, and minimize undesirable side products, the pH must be maintained at

3.5 to 5. Results: Using this stabilized form of HOCl, the potent antimicrobial

activities of HOCl are demonstrated against a wide range of microorganisms. The

in vitro cytotoxicity profile in L929 cells and the in vivo safety profile of

HOCl in various animal models are described. Conclusion: On the basis of the

antimicrobial activity and the lack of animal toxicity, it is predicted that

stabilized HOCl has potential pharmaceutical applications in the control of soft

tissue infection.

> > >> from Israel why are you on a MMS site you seem to promote

> > >> anything except??? You seem to be helped by everything but MMS. For

> > >> me MMS was the one of the few things that helped.

> >

> > > Anything that will help us learn more about good health and perhaps

> > > help us get well is welcome...As long as its not spam.Website links

> > > in the tagline of your signature is also allowed if people do sell a

> > > product. People may also put a website link in the link section of

> > > our group.

> >

> > I agree... 's first post was a bit antagonistic and obviously wrong

> > with respect to MMS2, and although he never responded to the posts

> > pointing out the flaws in his assumptions, he has apparently done a bit

> > of homework, which his more recent posts with regard to MMS reflect.

> >

> > While I'm a firm believer in MMS1/2, that doesn't mean I throw out all

> > of the other powerful non MMS approaches to staying healthy, herbal

> > super foods being one of the biggies.

> >

> > --

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> >

> >

>

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On 10/12/2009, Yochanan (yburkett@...) wrote:

> I deliberately put a negative spin on the MMS2 to see how this

> audience would defend it, and hence learn more about it.

Being deliberately confrontational with your first post is disingenuous

at best, dishonest at worst, and on top of it all, just plain rude.

> To date, I am unconvinced that MMS2 would have any effect on cancer

> (ie, fungus).

There is plenty of room for legitimate debate on whether or not all

cancers, or even any cancers, are a fungus.

> However, I will reverse my skepticism if a number of people come

> forward that prove it works.

I'm curious - how, exactly, is anyone to prove it to you?

> I know first hand that MMS1 works on the flu, but not on fungus.

Really... well, to borrow your own words, please feel free to 'prove it'. :)

> Meanwhile, my attitude toward MMS2 is " who needs it " , especially when

> there known, effective antifungals such as iodine and burdock root

> that have a long history of curing cancer (fungus).

1. There is plenty of room for legitimate debate on whether or not all

cancers, or even any cancers, are a fungus.

2. Who said the only use of MMS (1 or 2) is as an anti-fungal?

Your words bely the fact that either you don't yet know what MMS2 breaks

down into in the body, or you don't understand the significance of what

it does break down into. Either way, you are making judgements based on

faulty data.

> I also don't buy the idea that cancer is something beyond fungus; it

> seems like a smokescreen put up by Big Pharma to confuse the masses.

1. While I readily admit that Big Pharma is an evil monster that the

world will someday be much better off without, things are not always as

they 'seem', so how something 'seems' to you is kind of irrelevant in

the context of proving a claim.

2. There is no proof that cancer *is* a fungus.

3. It is virtually impossible to prove a negative.

4. Prove (any or all) cancer is a fungus.

> Although I like Jim Humble's demeanor, I am skeptical of his taking

> the MMS1 (yes, one) and putting it on a growth on his hand and then

> claiming it was healed (and perhaps it was).

Ok - above you asked for a number of people to 'come forward and prove

it works' - and again, I ask you, how are they to accomplish this?

Obviously - from your above comment - you won't take them at their word.

> I tried it on my hand and all I got was a burning sensation and

> redness.

Well, since we don't know anything about this event, do you really

expect this comment to mean anything to anyone?

> Perhaps he had a different type of fungus on his hand,

Or perhaps it wasn't a fungus (I honestly don't know, I vaguely remember

something about this, but no details)...

> Even he admits that MMS1 does not work for a " certain type of

> fungus " . Known antifungals such as elecampane work on virtually all

> types of fungus, if not all fungus, so why not use it instead?

Maybe because the purpose for using MMS2 is not first and foremost as an

anti-fungal, even though apparently it is very effective against

many/most funguses?

Why are you so fixated on fungus?

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I've had fungus for years, and my immune system doesn't even know it exists.

Perhaps it is because of the mercury from my amalgams. I've read that when

mercury is present, the immune system will " give up " attacking the fungus which

" swallows " the mercury, as the mercury is more deadly to the immune system than

the fungus. An inadequate amount of iodine allowed the fungus to proliferate; we

need at least 13 mg - 100 mg per day just to keep the toxins in our world at bay

(chlorine, fluoride, mercury, bromide, ...). Iodine displaces the mercury, which

can then be chelated from the body using chlorella or cilantro leaf.

Hypochlorous acid is only one factor in the immune system, and from the PubMed

source you quoted, is only effective against bacteria. Viruses are harder to

eliminate than bacteria, and fungi is even harder to eliminate than viruses.

Unfortunately, there is little research in the area of fungus, a field where

advances in medicine could be spectacular. But then, Big Pharma suppresses such

things.

The man-made organisms, such as the mycoplasmas that cause Lyme disease (a new

disease), or the pinworm/fungi hybrid that causes Morgellons (another new

disease), can be overcome without relying entirely on the immune system. In

fact, these diseases and others such as HIV were designed to bypass or disable

the immune system. Thus, outside help such as elemental iodine is needed.

Iodine was the universal medicine 100 years ago, and I think it is still

universal. I am presently experimenting with various other antifungals, but I

know that iodine is " king " for most situations. An exception is skin " cancer " .

Zinc chloride (and sometimes bloodroot) formulas surpass iodine for skin fungus.

from Israel

--- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@...>

wrote:

>

> STERILOX super-oxidized water contains a mixture of oxidizing species,

predominantly hypochlorous acid (HOCl) and sodium hypochlorite. The STERILOX

super-oxidized water has a pH of 5-7 and an oxidation reduction potential

(redox) of around 1000 mV. The high redox potential allows for the quick and

efficient destruction of microbes (bacteria, viruses, fungi and spores).

Hypochlorous acid and hypochlorite are in equilibrium and the position of the

equilibrium is determined solely by the pH.

>

http://www.freshpatents.com/Treatment-of-infected-tissues-with-hypochlorous-acid\

-dt20080703ptan20080160612.php

>

> I have had great success with MMS1 and MMS2 dealing with lyme disease, and

co-infections. I agree that cancer is fungus but also believe that types of

fungus we now deal with are engineered and not the a typical fungus. Do you

argue that hypochlorous acid is not the immune systems defense? To fight

anything including fungus the immune system comes in to play. Also can you argue

that hypochlorus acid is the discovery of the decade for healing wounds?? I

agree there are many alternatives, the ones you write of I tried with little

success, except iodine. I would not write of your healing with such doubt, why

would you doubt the discovery of MMS? Many dealing with lyme and morgellons

which is fungal related have found success only with MMS.

>

> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1853323

>

> Objective: Hypochlorous acid (HOCl), a major inorganic bactericidal compound

of innate immunity, is effective against a broad range of microorganisms. Owing

to its chemical nature, HOCl has never been used as a pharmaceutical drug for

treating infection. In this article, we describe the chemical production,

stabilization, and biological activity of a pharmaceutically useful formulation

of HOCl. Methods: Stabilized HOCl is in the form of a physiologically balanced

solution in 0.9% saline at a pH range of 3.5 to 4.0. Chlorine species

distribution in solution is a function of pH. In aqueous solution, HOCl is the

predominant species at the pH range of 3 to 6. At pH values less than 3.5, the

solution exists as a mixture of chlorine in aqueous phase, chlorine gas,

trichloride (Cl3 & #8722;), and HOCl. At pH greater than 5.5, sodium hypochlorite

(NaOCl) starts to form and becomes the predominant species in the alkaline pH.

To maintain HOCl solution in a stable form, maximize its antimicrobial

activities, and minimize undesirable side products, the pH must be maintained at

3.5 to 5. Results: Using this stabilized form of HOCl, the potent antimicrobial

activities of HOCl are demonstrated against a wide range of microorganisms. The

in vitro cytotoxicity profile in L929 cells and the in vivo safety profile of

HOCl in various animal models are described. Conclusion: On the basis of the

antimicrobial activity and the lack of animal toxicity, it is predicted that

stabilized HOCl has potential pharmaceutical applications in the control of soft

tissue infection.

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STERILOX is interesting stuff... especially if you can make it with an

inexpensive generator.

A Redox of (-)1000 mV is quite impressive for those of us familiar with

those readings. The best that I have seen to date is -800mV from

MegaHydrate and the stuff is very expensive.

healinghope wrote:

STERILOX super-oxidized water contains a mixture of oxidizing

species, predominantly hypochlorous acid (HOCl) and sodium

hypochlorite. The STERILOX super-oxidized water has a pH of 5-7 and an

oxidation reduction potential (redox) of around 1000 mV. The high redox

potential allows for the quick and efficient destruction of microbes

(bacteria, viruses, fungi and spores). Hypochlorous acid and

hypochlorite are in equilibrium and the position of the equilibrium is

determined solely by the pH.

http://www.freshpatents.com/Treatment-of-infected-tissues-with-hypochlorous-acid-dt20080703ptan20080160612.php

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I would simply say that fungus is the root of almost all serious medical

conditions, proven by Dr. Simoncini. He demonstrated that all fungus was white,

and it existed in every single case of " cancer " that he investigated. So why

couldn't fungus be the disease called " cancer " ? It fits perfectly because it

metastasizes, is alien to body tissue, and in advanced cases, causes body tissue

to encircle it to prevent its further spread. No one has ever seen a so-called

cancer cell, and when one is represented, it looks exactly like a fungal mass,

tentacles and all, and of course it is white! Dr. Simoncini found out that

virtually all cancer is caused by a specific fungus, namely candida albicans. An

exception is the fungus that causes diabetes (Aspergillus).

So, if MMS1 or 2 cannot handle fungus, then their use would be limited to

viruses or bacteria. This is important for fighting off the flu, or getting rid

of protozoa, but it seems that it cannot handle the toughest foe (fungus). Most

people die from heart attacks, cancer, or diabetes, all fungal diseases.

from Israel

> > I deliberately put a negative spin on the MMS2 to see how this

> > audience would defend it, and hence learn more about it.

>

> Being deliberately confrontational with your first post is disingenuous

> at best, dishonest at worst, and on top of it all, just plain rude.

>

> > To date, I am unconvinced that MMS2 would have any effect on cancer

> > (ie, fungus).

>

> There is plenty of room for legitimate debate on whether or not all

> cancers, or even any cancers, are a fungus.

>

> > However, I will reverse my skepticism if a number of people come

> > forward that prove it works.

>

> I'm curious - how, exactly, is anyone to prove it to you?

>

> > I know first hand that MMS1 works on the flu, but not on fungus.

>

> Really... well, to borrow your own words, please feel free to 'prove it'. :)

>

> > Meanwhile, my attitude toward MMS2 is " who needs it " , especially when

> > there known, effective antifungals such as iodine and burdock root

> > that have a long history of curing cancer (fungus).

>

> 1. There is plenty of room for legitimate debate on whether or not all

> cancers, or even any cancers, are a fungus.

>

> 2. Who said the only use of MMS (1 or 2) is as an anti-fungal?

>

> Your words bely the fact that either you don't yet know what MMS2 breaks

> down into in the body, or you don't understand the significance of what

> it does break down into. Either way, you are making judgements based on

> faulty data.

>

> > I also don't buy the idea that cancer is something beyond fungus; it

> > seems like a smokescreen put up by Big Pharma to confuse the masses.

>

> 1. While I readily admit that Big Pharma is an evil monster that the

> world will someday be much better off without, things are not always as

> they 'seem', so how something 'seems' to you is kind of irrelevant in

> the context of proving a claim.

>

> 2. There is no proof that cancer *is* a fungus.

>

> 3. It is virtually impossible to prove a negative.

>

> 4. Prove (any or all) cancer is a fungus.

>

> > Although I like Jim Humble's demeanor, I am skeptical of his taking

> > the MMS1 (yes, one) and putting it on a growth on his hand and then

> > claiming it was healed (and perhaps it was).

>

> Ok - above you asked for a number of people to 'come forward and prove

> it works' - and again, I ask you, how are they to accomplish this?

> Obviously - from your above comment - you won't take them at their word.

>

> > I tried it on my hand and all I got was a burning sensation and

> > redness.

>

> Well, since we don't know anything about this event, do you really

> expect this comment to mean anything to anyone?

>

> > Perhaps he had a different type of fungus on his hand,

>

> Or perhaps it wasn't a fungus (I honestly don't know, I vaguely remember

> something about this, but no details)...

>

> > Even he admits that MMS1 does not work for a " certain type of

> > fungus " . Known antifungals such as elecampane work on virtually all

> > types of fungus, if not all fungus, so why not use it instead?

>

> Maybe because the purpose for using MMS2 is not first and foremost as an

> anti-fungal, even though apparently it is very effective against

> many/most funguses?

>

> Why are you so fixated on fungus?

>

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That is rather maniplative.Try asking next time.

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From: Yochanan <yburkett@...>Subject: [ ] Re:very sick Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 11:47 AM

I deliberately put a negative spin on the MMS2 to see how this audience would defend it, and hence learn more about it. To date, I am unconvinced that MMS2 would have any effect on cancer (ie, fungus). However, I will reverse my skepticism if a number of people come forward that prove it works. I know first hand that MMS1 works on the flu, but not on fungus. Meanwhile, my attitude toward MMS2 is "who needs it", especially when there known, effective antifungals such as iodine and burdock root that have a long history of curing cancer (fungus). I also don't buy the idea that cancer is something beyond fungus; it seems like a smokescreen put up by Big Pharma to confuse the masses.Although I like Jim Humble's demeanor, I am skeptical of his taking the MMS1 (yes, one) and putting it on a growth on his hand and then claiming it was healed (and perhaps it was). I tried it on my hand and all I got was a burning sensation and redness. Perhaps he had

a different type of fungus on his hand, granted. Even he admits that MMS1 does not work for a "certain type of fungus". Known antifungals such as elecampane work on virtually all types of fungus, if not all fungus, so why not use it instead? from Israel> >> from Israel why are you on a MMS site you seem to promote> >> anything except??? You seem to be helped by everything but MMS. For> >> me MMS was the one of the few things that helped.> > > Anything that will help us learn more about good health and perhaps>

> help us get well is welcome...As long as its not spam.Website links> > in the tagline of your signature is also allowed if people do sell a> > product. People may also put a website link in the link section of> > our group.> > I agree... 's first post was a bit antagonistic and obviously wrong> with respect to MMS2, and although he never responded to the posts> pointing out the flaws in his assumptions, he has apparently done a bit> of homework, which his more recent posts with regard to MMS reflect.> > While I'm a firm believer in MMS1/2, that doesn't mean I throw out all> of the other powerful non MMS approaches to staying healthy, herbal> super foods being one of the biggies.> > -- > > Best regards,> > >

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If you want to go beyond what Dr. Simoncini and Royal Rife observed,

then you will have to do your own investigations. Royal Rife claimed to

have watched the cancer virus transform into a fungus (candida). He

exploded the organism with his frequency device and the disease

disappeared.... proof? Dr. Simoncini has been looking at cancer cells

since the early '60's and says that they are undoubtedly a fungus.

You can go to his website and see his videos of what it looks like and

hear his argument.

It is very easy to be a skeptic. All you need do is look the other way

and doubt. That is what the mainstream commonly does when offered

alternatives to their "scientific proofs" that stare them in the face.

You, Tanstaafl, have other options though. With all of the information

available to us today on the web, that is a cop-out, IMHO. I have done

my homework. Have you?

Tanstaafl wrote:

On 10/12/2009, Yoch

2. There is no proof that cancer *is* a fungus.

3. It is virtually impossible to prove a negative.

4. Prove (any or all) cancer is a fungus.

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Hi J of I:

Where did you get it that the fungus Aspergillusis causes diabetes?

My niece has Type I and I have been intensely studying it over the last

year.

Regards,

Jim

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On 10/12/2009 1:49 PM, Yochanan wrote:

> I've had fungus for years, and my immune system doesn't even know it

> exists. Perhaps it is because of the mercury from my amalgams. I've

> read that when mercury is present, the immune system will " give up "

> attacking the fungus which " swallows " the mercury, as the mercury is

> more deadly to the immune system than the fungus.

I have heard the same, and the evidence in support where I read this was

convincing.

> Hypochlorous acid is only one factor in the immune system, and from

> the PubMed source you quoted, is only effective against bacteria.

Apparently, you only read the summary provided by healinghope, and on

top of that, misread it. It only mentioned 'bactericidal' qualities -

but it did *not* say that its qualities were *limited* to 'bactericidal'.

Had you clicked the link and actually read the article, you would have

found this little gem:

" The studies presented here have shown that stabilized HOCl exhibits

rapid, concentration-dependent activity against a wide variety of

gram-negative and gram-positive bacteria, yeast, and fungal pathogens,

as long as the narrow effective pH range is maintained. "

Admittedly, it doesn't mention viruses, *either way*, so one might

conclude that it isn't effective against viruses... but one would be

wrong again:

" ... a 3.2-log10 reduction was achieved in cells challenged with the

human influenza A virus. "

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/121605795/abstract?CRETRY=1 & SRETRY=0

> The man-made organisms, such as the mycoplasmas that cause Lyme

> disease (a new disease), or the pinworm/fungi hybrid that causes

> Morgellons (another new disease), can be overcome without relying

> entirely on the immune system. In fact, these diseases and others

> such as HIV were designed to bypass or disable the immune system.

> Thus, outside help such as elemental iodine is needed.

MMS is also 'outside help'. Not that I'm knocking iodine, and there is

most often more than one way to skin a cat, but...

You say that some of these 'diseases' can be overcome without relying

entirely on the immune system...

I say, what about all those cases of people dying from AIDS symptoms who

are now symptom free solely from taking MMS? If something simply assists

the immune system, as MMS (both 1 and 2) apparently do, whats wrong with

that? And what about the people who have been suffering from Lyme for

years who are now finally finding relief? Even long suffering morgellons

sufferers are reporting relief, in some cases dramatic.

> Iodine was the universal medicine 100 years ago, and I think it is

> still universal. I am presently experimenting with various other

> antifungals, but I know that iodine is " king " for most situations. An

> exception is skin " cancer " . Zinc chloride (and sometimes bloodroot)

> formulas surpass iodine for skin fungus.

No argument there...

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You make this sound like there is a process to use hypochlorus acid for wound

care, just follow the writings for wound care it is quite simple.

http://jimhumble.biz/biz-mms2intro-eng.htm

So there you have MMS2. It is effective for many things and very effective for

healing wounds and other skin problems. It aids MMS1 to kill most all so called

incurable diseases and it may be as good as MMS1. It kills the pathogens and

germs on a wound without doing damage to the broken tissues. Just empty a zero

size capsule in a quarter glass of water and use that on the wound. Alcohol,

hydrogen peroxide, iodine, and all other disinfectants all do a certain amount

of damage to the wound causing increased healing time to the damaged cells, but

MMS2 kills the pathogens and does no damage and thus the healing is much faster.

There is research about this wound healing factor on the Internet. You can look

it up. I hesitate to say more because of copyrights.

>

> >

> >

> > STERILOX super-oxidized water contains a mixture of oxidizing species,

> > predominantly hypochlorous acid (HOCl) and sodium hypochlorite. The

> > STERILOX super-oxidized water has a pH of 5-7 and an oxidation

> > reduction potential (redox) of around 1000 mV. The high redox

> > potential allows for the quick and efficient destruction of microbes

> > (bacteria, viruses, fungi and spores). Hypochlorous acid and

> > hypochlorite are in equilibrium and the position of the equilibrium is

> > determined solely by the pH.

> >

http://www.freshpatents.com/Treatment-of-infected-tissues-with-hypochlorous-acid\

-dt20080703ptan20080160612.php

> >

<http://www.freshpatents.com/Treatment-of-infected-tissues-with-hypochlorous-aci\

d-dt20080703ptan20080160612.php>

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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On 10/12/2009, Yochanan (yburkett@...) wrote:

> I would simply say that fungus is the root of almost all serious

> medical conditions, proven by Dr. Simoncini.

As I said, this is subject to legitimate debate. There are a ton of

independant researchers who disagree.

Dr Simoncini may be right... but I disagree that it is proven beyond any

doubt.

> He demonstrated that all fungus was white, and it existed in every

> single case of " cancer " that he investigated. So why couldn't fungus

> be the disease called " cancer " ?

Or, why couldn't cancer create the right conditions for fungus to grow?

Maybe the fungus is simply a side-effect of the cancer?

> It fits perfectly because it metastasizes, is alien to body tissue,

> and in advanced cases, causes body tissue to encircle it to prevent

> its further spread. No one has ever seen a so-called cancer cell, and

> when one is represented, it looks exactly like a fungal mass,

> tentacles and all, and of course it is white! Dr. Simoncini found out

> that virtually all cancer is caused by a specific fungus, namely

> candida albicans. An exception is the fungus that causes diabetes

> (Aspergillus).

Like I said, Simoncini may be right... and he may be wrong.

> So, if MMS1 or 2 cannot handle fungus,

Well, as the study I linked to in my last email showed, it *is*

effective against fungus, so the rest of your comment is irrelevant...

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