Drinking Water

June 30, 2005

We have a whole house filter and then filter again through a filter pitcher.

That way water for bathing gets filtered, too.

S S

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drinks only water...no juice nor milk. What is the best

choice...distilled, spring, ?????????

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June 30, 2005

linda,

what filtration system are you using? i just started looking into this but am

rather lost at

this point.

thanks,

--todd

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> choice...distilled, spring, ?????????

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June 30, 2005

In a message dated 30/06/2005 18:38:44 GMT Standard Time,

leslie_zevnik@... writes:

drinks only water...no juice nor milk. What is the best

choice...distilled, spring, ?????????

Zevnik

I would not give either. I would install a reverse osmosis filter in your

house and only let him drink water from that, take the water everywhere with

you. Only then do you know that there is no metal in your water.

Joy

July 4, 2005

We use a GE whole house system and a PUR pitcher. (I wish they filtered out

more than they do. I thought we could get refills that filter out more but they

don't fit this system.)

S S

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linda,

what filtration system are you using? i just started looking into this but am

rather lost at

this point.

thanks,

--todd

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> drinks only water...no juice nor milk. What is the best

> choice...distilled, spring, ?????????

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> Zevnik

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July 4, 2005

,

Do you use a whole house filter system? Is it reverse osmosis? I want to

get one for the whole house, but we won't be able to afford it until next

year. How do we go about finding one that will work very well? I've never

shopped for this kind of thing. Also, would we need a water softener?

M

[ ] Re: drinking water

We use a GE whole house system and a PUR pitcher. (I wish they filtered out

more than they do. I thought we could get refills that filter out more but

they don't fit this system.)

S S

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linda,

what filtration system are you using? i just started looking into this but

am rather lost at

this point.

thanks,

--todd

>

> <tt>

> drinks only water...no juice nor milk. What is the best

> choice...distilled, spring, ?????????

>

> Zevnik

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July 5, 2005

My husband had found and installed this system before I met him, we just

replaced it recently. It's from Home Depot and is technically a sediment filter

so not reverse osmosis. We have very hard water and it helps soften it. I

don't know if consumer reports has done a comparison/evaluation of systems, but

might be worth checking. I know that www.gaiam.com and www.realgoods.com

carries some systems.

S S

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linda,

what filtration system are you using? i just started looking into this but

am rather lost at

this point.

thanks,

--todd

>

> <tt>

> drinks only water...no juice nor milk. What is the best

> choice...distilled, spring, ?????????

>

> Zevnik

>

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July 5, 2005

My naturopath and I were just discussing this and she said that bottled

water is not necessarily any better than tap. There is no regulations to

show it is low in mercury or anything else. The best thing in her opinion

is a very high quality water filter that does reverse osmosis. The ones you

can get at Wal-Mart are NOT good enough. We just ordered one through her at

a discount. I would tell you the company but we are out of town and don't

have it with me. Maybe an internet search for reverse osmosis filters will

turn up some high quality choices.

[ ] drinking water

drinks only water...no juice nor milk. What is the best

choice...distilled, spring, ?????????

Zevnik

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October 27, 2005

Oh dear! This really throws me on a loop! I am about to have a central

water filtration system along with an under-the-kitchen-sink reverse

osmosis system for drinking water, and now I read in this article by

Dr. Zoltan Rona that purified/reverse osmosis water is harmful! Please,

does anyone know about this?

(Dr. Rona is well known and considered as a very competent MD in

Canada... so I tend to at least consider this.)

Thanks in advance!

Fran

October 27, 2005

I heard the same thing about R/O water... I drank it for 6 months before knowing

it. Then I bought a distiller.

fgourd <fgourd@...> wrote:Oh dear! This really throws me on a loop! I am

about to have a central

water filtration system along with an under-the-kitchen-sink reverse

osmosis system for drinking water, and now I read in this article by

Dr. Zoltan Rona that purified/reverse osmosis water is harmful! Please,

does anyone know about this?

(Dr. Rona is well known and considered as a very competent MD in

Canada... so I tend to at least consider this.)

Thanks in advance!

Fran

October 27, 2005

ms sunshine wrote:

>

> I heard the same thing about R/O water... I drank it for 6 months

before knowing it. Then I bought a distiller.

==>Distilled water is even worse than R/O. It is totally devoid of

minerals and leaches minerals out of the body - see the article in our

files.

Bee

>

August 28, 2006

Nilufer,

I used to drink soda or gatorade or anything flavored. I didn't like water.

Then, about 6 years ago I found out I had a systemic yeast infection (candida)

that started years before

becuase of heavy antibiotics I was on.

To make a long story short - I went through a difficult yeast detoxification

which required staying away from sugar. I forced myself to drink only water.

After a couple of months of drinking only water I began to crave only water.

Now I love water. I drink lots and lots of it. You will rarely see me without

a water

bottle.

Now soda or anything with a lot of sugar in it makes me feel a little sick - I

am not conditioned to it anymore.

I share this with you in hopes to incourage you to make the switch to water and

give you hope that you can do it. It is hard at first but will make a world of

difference later.

Plus, through example, you will rarely see my 2 year old without her water

bottle either - how is that for an added benefit?

Matt

August 28, 2006

Matt,

Thanks for your encouragement. It seems very difficult but like you did it

earlier I will force myself to drink more.

Thanks again

Nilufer

August 29, 2006

Matt,

Just curious, did you notice any weight loss as you switched to drinkibg only

water? About a year and a half ago, I started slamming nothing but water, and

literally (pee'd) the weight right off.

I was amazed! worked better than any diet I could have tried.

Donna

August 29, 2006

Matt and Donna,

About 10 years ago I started drinking nothing but water. (prior to

that drank surgary juices and diet Coke) I was introduced to a

natural artesian water by Dr. Dean Ornish, that completely changed my

life. Once I started drinking it, I noticed my body responded with

more energy, my head/thoughts became clearer, I could exercise more,

etc. My water has calcium, magnesium and silica in it - Fijiwater,

bottled at the source. Two books I have on it have all sorts of case

studies about people who started drinking it and how it helped them

with their respective illnesses.

I'd like to know what kind of water you are drinking: a table water,

sparkling water, tap water, another mineral water, well water,etc.

Just curious.

And as for loosing weight with water, Donna, yes, it happened to me.

But I was also exercising regularly, but had more energy, nonetheless

the water had a great impact because I stayed well-hydrated.

The water also helps me with toxins on a daily basis. I usually drink

several 1.5 litres per day. I live in a very beautiful area where

there is no smog, no high rise buildings, no crowds, plus most of our

state's organic food supply is grown here. The real toxin for me is

noise and stress, which I am fortunate not to have either. Once I

discovered that nail polish is a major toxin, I quite using it.

I fast twice a year, but this is for spiritual reasons, and done

prior to the major Christian holidays. I am usually on either a day

retreat or a week retreat at this time.

~ Gretchen

August 29, 2006

It is great that everyone is drinking more water, but be careful not to drink

too much. I did a few years back and it wiped out my potassium and sodium

levels. I was in a coma for a day and it was very serious. Just everyone

please be careful.

Missy

August 29, 2006

Gretchen,

Fijiwater also tastes very good. I can't find it around me except at

the Turkey Hill(gas station type of quick mart). I am going to start

to drink water more, I don't like it but I'm gonna force it.

I just found Nestle water called Pure Life and it has added minerals

calcium chloride, sodium bicarbonate and magnesium sulfate. Its

purified water. Do you know if thats any good? Better than regular

water I guess.

And can you tell me more about the fasting you do? That has always

interested me.

Thanks

Pam

August 29, 2006

Donna,

At the time I was also going through a massive yeast detox. During a period of

2 months I " literally pee'd " off 30 pounds. (A lot of it had to do with the my

body purging out the dead yeast and other toxins, but water was a key). A few

times after that I tried drinking soda and discovered if I drank more than 2

cans a week (regular or diet soda - it doesn't matter), I would instantly gain 5

pounds. Needless to say I avoid that horrible stuff all

together now. I am a firm believer that soda (especially diet soda) is on of

the most lethal things you can consume and is a major part of the huge climb in

obesity rates.

Also, on a different recent post, someone mentioned apple cider vinager. That

is great to curb appetite, helps with heart burn, hypertention, gives you an

energy boost and acts as a gentle detoxification agent. If you do use that, get

a good Raw, Unfiltered Apple Cider Vinager. The distilled stuff takes a lot of

the great fibers, nutients and antioxidants out. I use a brand called Braggs.

Just mix a couple of tsps in with 8 oz of water and your good.

Matt

August 30, 2006

Hi Pam,

Fijiwater sure does taste good! You can order it online, but prices are

higher, although this includes home delivery. I did this for awhile

until I discovered our Smart and Final stores carry it (one of the " big

box stores " , lol) Maybe if you have a big box store there they might

have it. The website is http://www.fijiwater.com or you can phone

them. The company may be able to tell you what stores carry it near you

too.

As for the fasting, I do it at the beginning of Lent and the beginning

of Advent, it is pennitential, one small meal a day, like soup with

bread, the entire day/or retreat days are spent either in parts of

silence for prayer and meditation, listening to fulfilling speakers, or

meeting with my spiritual director.

~ Gretchen

August 30, 2006

Gretchen,

I drink primarily filtered water. Tap water has too much junk in it for me. At

dinner, we

will sometimes drink sparkling water - a brand from Italy but I forgot the name,

S. Pe. . .

something - if we had a little more extra money rolling around we would drink

that for

dinner every night. We got hooked on Italian water when we were living in

Germany. Even

the Germans where we were at seemed to prefer the Italian water. I also drink

G3 juice

every day (it has juice from the Gak fruit, Chinese Lycium fruit, Siberian

Pineapple and Cili

fruit - it is loaded with concentrated amounts of lipocarotenes which facilitate

absorption

of antioxidants and nutrients. And finally, I like to drink a little Apple

Cider Vinegar. And

that about does it for me other than the occasional glass of Orange or Grape

juice.

Matt

>

> Matt and Donna,

>

> About 10 years ago I started drinking nothing but water. (prior to

> that drank surgary juices and diet Coke) I was introduced to a

> natural artesian water by Dr. Dean Ornish, that completely changed my

> life. Once I started drinking it, I noticed my body responded with

> more energy, my head/thoughts became clearer, I could exercise more,

> etc. My water has calcium, magnesium and silica in it - Fijiwater,

> bottled at the source. Two books I have on it have all sorts of case

> studies about people who started drinking it and how it helped them

> with their respective illnesses.

>

> I'd like to know what kind of water you are drinking: a table water,

> sparkling water, tap water, another mineral water, well water,etc.

> Just curious.

>

> And as for loosing weight with water, Donna, yes, it happened to me.

> But I was also exercising regularly, but had more energy, nonetheless

> the water had a great impact because I stayed well-hydrated.

>

> The water also helps me with toxins on a daily basis. I usually drink

> several 1.5 litres per day. I live in a very beautiful area where

> there is no smog, no high rise buildings, no crowds, plus most of our

> state's organic food supply is grown here. The real toxin for me is

> noise and stress, which I am fortunate not to have either. Once I

> discovered that nail polish is a major toxin, I quite using it.

>

> I fast twice a year, but this is for spiritual reasons, and done

> prior to the major Christian holidays. I am usually on either a day

> retreat or a week retreat at this time.

>

> ~ Gretchen

>

August 30, 2006

Bottled drinking water

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs256/en/

" Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink " from the Rhyme of

the Ancient Mariner is perhaps a fitting description of the attitude

of many consumers living in urban areas today who are increasingly

looking toward bottled water as a means of meeting some or all of

their daily requirements. As fresh water supplies are further

stretched to meet the demands of industry, agriculture and an ever-

expanding population, the shortage of safe and accessible drinking-

water will become a major challenge in many parts of the world. In

the wake of several major outbreaks involving food and water, there

is a growing concern for the safety and quality of drinking-water.

While bottled water is widely available in both industrialised and

developing countries, it may represent a significant cost to the

consumer. Consumers may have various reasons for purchasing bottled

drinking-water, such as taste, convenience or fashion, but for many

consumers, safety and potential health benefits are important

considerations. Since such considerations are often not founded on

facts, these will be specifically addressed here.

The safety of bottled drinking water

While the term bottled water is widely used, the term packaged water

is perhaps more accurate. Water sold in countries for consumption can

come in cans, laminated boxes and even plastic bags. However, bottled

water is most commonly sold in glass or disposable plastic bottles.

Bottled water also comes in various sizes from single servings to

large carbouys holding up to 80 litres. Depending on the climate,

physical activity and culture, the drinking-water needs for

individuals vary, but for high consumers it is estimated to be about

two litres per day for a 60 kg person and one litre per day for a 10

kg child.

Drinking-water may be contaminated by a range of chemical, microbial

and physical hazards that could pose risks to health if they are

present at high levels. Examples of chemical hazards include lead,

arsenic and benzene. Microbial hazards, include bacteria, viruses and

parasites, such as Vibrio cholerae, hepatitis A virus, and

Crytosporidium parvum, respectively. Physical hazards include glass

chips and metal fragments. Because of the large number of possible

hazards in drinking-water, the development of standards for drinking-

water requires significant resources and expertise, which many

countries are unable to afford. Fortunately, guidance is available at

the international level.

The World Health Organization (WHO) publishes Guidelines for Drinking-

water Quality which many countries use as the basis to establish

their own national standards. The Guidelines represent a scientific

assessment of the risks to health from biological and chemical

constituents of drinking-water and of the effectiveness of associated

control measures. WHO recommends that social, economic and

environmental factors be taken into account through a risk-benefit

approach when adapting the Guideline values to national standards. As

the WHO Guidelines for Drinking-water Quality are meant to be the

scientific point of departure for standards development, including

bottled water, actual standards will sometimes vary from the

Guidelines. It should also be noted that water used for making edible

ice should be subject to the same drinking-water standard and include

specific sanitary requirements for equipment for making and storing

ice. For water in carbouys, similar sanitary requirements for

dispensing devices need to be observed.

In applying the WHO Guidelines to bottled waters, certain factors may

be more readily controlled than in piped distribution systems and

stricter standards may, therefore, be preferred in order to reduce

overall population exposure. This has, for example, been argued for

the case of lead. Similarly, when flexibility exists regarding the

source of the water, stricter standards for certain naturally-

occurring substances of health concern, such as arsenic and fluoride,

may be more readily achieved than in piped distribution systems.

Contrary to this, some substances may prove more difficult to manage

in bottled than tap water. This is generally because bottled water is

stored for longer periods and at higher temperatures than water

distributed in piped distribution systems. Control of materials used

in containers and closures for bottled waters is, therefore, of

special concern. In addition, some micro-organisms, which are

normally of little or no public health significance, may grow to

higher levels in bottled waters. This growth appears to occur less

frequently in gasified water and in water bottled in glass containers

compared to still water and water bottled in plastic containers.

However, the public health significance of this remains little

understood, especially for vulnerable individuals, such as infants

and children, pregnant women, immuno-compromised individuals and the

elderly. In regard to infants, as bottled water is not sterile, it

should be disinfected - for example, by boiling for one minute -

prior to its use in the preparation of infant formula.

There have also been reports of fraud in which ordinary tap water has

been added to used mineral water bottles and sold as the original

article. Consumers may not be able to detect this by taste alone and,

if concern is warranted, should examine the closures of bottled

waters carefully before purchase and insist on seeing bottles opened

in their presence in restaurants and other food and beverage service

establishments.

The potential health benefits of bottled drinking water

In European and certain other countries, many consumers believe that

natural mineral waters have medicinal properties or offer other

health benefits. Such waters are typically of high mineral content

and, in some cases, significantly above the concentrations normally

accepted in drinking-water. Such waters have a long tradition of use

and are often accepted on the basis that they are considered foods

rather than drinking-water per se. Although certain mineral waters

may be useful in providing essential micro-nutrients, such as

calcium, WHO is unaware of any convincing evidence to support the

beneficial effects of consuming such mineral waters. As a

consequence, WHO Guidelines for Drinking-water Quality do not make

recommendations regarding minimum concentrations of essential

compounds.

On the other hand, in some countries, bottled waters with very low

mineral content, such as distilled or demineralised waters, may be

offered for sale. While a large number of people have traditionally

consumed rainwater which is similarly low in minerals without

apparent adverse health effects, WHO has no scientific information on

the benefits or hazards of regularly consuming these types of bottled

waters.

International standards for bottled drinking water

The intergovernmental body for the development of internationally

recognized standards for food is the Codex Alimentarius Commission

(CAC). WHO, one of the co-sponsors of the CAC, has advocated the use

of the Guidelines for Drinking-water Quality as the basis for

derivation of standards for all bottled waters.

The CAC has developed a Codex Standard for Natural Mineral Waters and

an associated code of practice. The Codex Standard describes the

product and its labelling, compositional and quality factors,

including limits for certain chemicals, hygiene, packaging and

labelling. The Codex Code of Practice for Collecting, Processing and

Marketing of Natural Mineral Waters provides guidance to the industry

on a range of good manufacturing practices matters. While CAC

standards and recommendations are not strictly mandatory, Codex

health and safety requirements are recognized by the World Trade

Organization as representing the international consensus for consumer

protection and any deviation from Codex recommendations may require a

scientifically-based justification.

This Commission is currently developing a draft of a Codex Standard

for Bottled/Packaged Waters to cover drinking-water other than

natural mineral waters. Under the existing Codex Standard and Code of

Practice, natural mineral waters must conform to strict requirements

concerning, for example, their direct collection and bottling without

further treatment from a natural source, such as a spring or well. In

comparison, the draft Codex Standard for Bottled/Packaged Waters has

been proposed to include waters from other sources, in addition to

springs and wells, and treatment to improve their safety and quality.

The distinctions between these standards are especially relevant in

regions where natural mineral waters have a long cultural history.

Within the CAC, the Codex Committee for Natural Mineral Waters, which

is hosted by Switzerland, is responsible for the development of draft

Codex Standards and Codes of Practice in consultation with other

relevant Codex Committees, notably the Codex Committees on Food

Additives and Contaminants and Food Hygiene. Parties interested in

participating in this work of Codex should contact the National Codex

Contact Point in their country.

It should be noted that neither the CAC nor WHO offer certification

of any bottled or mineral water products. In this regard, WHO does

not permit its name or emblem to be used in connection with any

commercial purposes. While many countries have national standards for

bottled waters and some have national certification schemes, no

universally accepted international certification scheme now exists.

Persons seeking information on bottled water certification should

approach the national authorities in the country concerned.

For further information

The WHO Guidelines for Drinking-water Quality (second edition) are

available as a WHO publication in three volumes: Volume 1 –

Recommendations; Volume 2 – Health Criteria and Other Supporting

Information; and Volume 3 – Surveillance and Control of Community

Supplies. Addenda to Volumes 1 and 2 were published in 1997 and 1998

and provide updated information or new reviews on certain chemicals.

A further addendum comprising review documents on selected microbes

will be published in 2000. To purchase the Guidelines for Drinking-

water Quality, please contact Distribution and Sales, World Health

Organization, 20 avenue Appia, CH-1211 Geneva 27, Switzerland; fax:

41 22 791 4857; or e-mail: publications@.... Most of the text of

the Guidelines is also available on the Internet at

http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/

Further details on the WHO Food Safety Programme can be found at

http://www.who.int/fsf and on the WHO Water, Sanitation and Health

Programme at http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health.

For further information on the Codex Alimentarius Commission and its

Codex Committee on Natural Mineral Waters, and the Codex Standard for

Natural Mineral Waters and its companion Code of Practice, readers

are referred to the Codex Alimentarius website located at

http://www.fao.org/WAICENT/FAOINFO/ECONOMIC/ESN/codex/

August 31, 2006

I just finished reading the book " French Women Don't Get Fat " . In it

there is an entire chapter about drinking water, it evens mentions

Fijiwater. I enjoyed this book and got some more great tips about

weight loss, plus it has some new recipies in it. Definately worth a

few nights of reading time for a different/new perspective on

maintaining a healthy weight.

~ Gretchen

September 1, 2006

One thought on this topic. Some waters are beneficial for the

minerals they contain. A few years ago I saw a man and wife doctor

team on a TV medical show being interviewed about their slant on

longevity. They found that some places in the world people commonly

lived well past 100 years. The one identifying common factor they

found was that these communities were generally above 6,000' above

sea level and were on several of the continents. On visiting these

sites, they found that drinking water came from mountain fed streams

and was often cloudy with mineral content. Their argument was that

these mountain streams leached minerals from native rock. Further,

they felt that farm lands in general have had many lesser trace

minerals essential to good health leached out of the soil by

successive cycles of crop removal. Of course, they offered a source

of these trace minerals from an unique deposit here in the USA. Their

names were J. D. Wallach and Ma Lan. They published a book

titled " Let's Play Doctor " in 1989. One of the things that I got from

the book is to put a packet of Knox unflavored gelatin in my cereal

each morning. The theory is that this protein source is close to the

cartilege cushions in our joints and will keep them nutritionaly in

better condition. I believe that has been a strong factor in my joint

health for many years now.

EdM from NH

September 1, 2006

Hi Ed,

Good thoughts on 'drinking water'. My Fijiwater is exactly that. Water

that flows over lava rock deep within the earth's aquifers in an area

that is a pure ecosystem, and not tainted by polution. So that's how

the water gets its mineral content. Magnesium, calcium and silica in

dissolved solids has done wonders for me, not only muscle and

connective tissue wise, but also stronger nails, thicker hair, etc.

~ Gretchen

September 2, 2006

Hello Gretchen,

I've been buying Fiji Water too. It may be a placebo effect, but it

seems to perk me up as well. That source was a mineral deposit in NV

that has not fossilized. It was formed from plant matter and is

compressed to a hard state like sandstone. They grind it up into a

collodial finess and add water. The theory is that it is absorbed at a

much faster pace due to the very large surface area created.

I must say that I agree with that notion as well but the $40/bottle is

a little over my budget as is the Noni etc. The whey protein and the

creatine monohydrate look like something to get into for muscle

building. I can think of several reasons not to shoot for 110 years as

well. Mostly, annuities petering out and 10 to 20 years in a rest home!

lol!

EdM from NH

January 17, 2007

>

> I am new to this candida diet,i need to know what kind of drinking

> water to drink,and give me bee's egg drink and info on snacks.

==>Hi there. Welcome to our group. May I ask that you please put

your name at the end of your messages, not only so we know who you

are, but also for our blind members, Maddalena. Thanks a bunch.

==>Tap water in most cities is okay, but you do need to remove the

chlorine. You can either boil it for 30 minutes, or put it in a

container without a lid and leave it in the open for 24 hours so the

chlorine is evaporated. I use a Brita water jug which has a charcoal

filter.

==>You can find all of the recipes on my website at:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com

The best in health, Bee

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