Re: Liver Flushing

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Has anyone ever heard that we should get on a parasite cleanse first

before starting a liver/gallbladder flush, I think that I read this

somewhere and was wandering why....Thanks....LaTonya

[Guest guest]

> Dennis, you said

> I would take supplements to support the liver

> detox pathway and also take plenty of antioxidants.

>

> What kind of supplements are you referring to? I have experience with a

> flush-type drink that has orange juice, grapefruit juice, garlic, cayenne

> and olive oil...is your method different?

Supplements that support the liver are milk thistle, l-taurine and glycine.

Antioxidants include these supplements: Vitamin C, Vitamin E, Betacarotene

(mixed carotenes--best gotten from orange veggies), selenium, alpha lipoic

acid.

Grape seed extract and pycnogenols also are claimed to have superior

antioxidant capabilities.

Patty

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In a message dated 8/12/00 11:38:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

faussettdp@... writes:

what are?:

alpha lipoic

pycnogenols

and: what is the difference between Grape seed extract and grapeFruit seed

extract?

also what is an acidophilus implant and where does one get that?

[Guest guest]

what are?:

> alpha lipoic

See this site for some great info on it:

http://www.lef.org/prod_desc/item00457.html

> pycnogenols

Here is a good site for info on that supplement:

http://www.realtime.net/anr/pycnogen.html#Brain

>

> and: what is the difference between Grape seed extract and grapeFruit seed

> extract?

Here is a reference to grape seed extract:

http://www.wellweb.com/ALTERN/herbs/grapeseed.htm

The difference between grape seed extract and grapefruit seed extract is

very clear.

Grape seed extract functions as a potent antioxidant, while grapefruit seed

extract works as an anti-microbial. Two very different functions.

Patty

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/11/00 10:24:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

DWigg54545@... writes:

<< Has anyone ever heard that we should get on a parasite cleanse first

before starting a liver/gallbladder flush, I think that I read this

somewhere and was wandering why....Thanks....LaTonya >>

Yes Hulda e recommends doing a parasite cleanse (zapper and herbs)

before doing the liver/g.b. flush, to avoid a particularly severe healing

crisis which can last a couple of days. However, most sources I have come

across recommend the reverse--cleansing out the liver/g.b. first so that when

the parasites are killed, they and their waste products flush out of the

system easily.

As is often the case, it's your call.

Robin G.

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that an ACIDOPHILUS AND BIFIDUS implant is done by doing an enema to get the two into the colon area as quickly as possible. It is usually done as a yogurt enema so as to kill off excess amounts of candida that may be in the colon. A fairly good sign of this is when there is a yeast infection of the anal area. Its not too hard to discern because of the pain, dryness, and redness of the area. Men and women can acquire this problem.

Regarding Grapefruit Extract.

Regarding Grapeseed Extract

Regarding Alpha Lipotic

Regarding pycnogenols

When asking questions please limit the number so that one or two issues can be addressed at a time. There is much greater response to single questions than a piled set.

DaleDa_@...

Re: liver flushing

In a message dated 8/12/00 11:38:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, faussettdp@... writes:what are?:alpha lipoic pycnogenols and: what is the difference between Grape seed extract and grapeFruit seed extract?also what is an acidophilus implant and where does one get that?Subscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

[Guest guest]

I had to do the liver flush first as my liver couldn't

handle the die off from the parasite cleanse and I

became very ill, gaining 20 plus lbs., which still

haven't come off.

Matty

--- rjgoldsmit@... wrote:

> In a message dated 8/11/00 10:24:49 PM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> DWigg54545@... writes:

>

> << Has anyone ever heard that we should get on a

> parasite cleanse first

> before starting a liver/gallbladder flush, I think

> that I read this

> somewhere and was wandering

> why....Thanks....LaTonya >>

>

> Yes Hulda e recommends doing a parasite cleanse

> (zapper and herbs)

> before doing the liver/g.b. flush, to avoid a

> particularly severe healing

> crisis which can last a couple of days. However,

> most sources I have come

> across recommend the reverse--cleansing out the

> liver/g.b. first so that when

> the parasites are killed, they and their waste

> products flush out of the

> system easily.

>

> As is often the case, it's your call.

> Robin G.

>

>

>

> Subscription email:

> bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

>

[Guest guest]

I read that in Hulda 's book, "A Cure for All Diseases". She says it will prevent the nausea that accompanies a liver/gallbladder flush.

S+13

Re: liver flushing

Hello, Has anyone ever heard that we should get on a parasite cleanse first before starting a liver/gallbladder flush, I think that I read this somewhere and was wandering why....Thanks....LaTonyaSubscription email: bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

[Guest guest]

Hi Joni,

Liver flushing is a procedure to clean your liver.

There are several methods available and the one I used

is the Hulda method, but I skipped the

tranquilizer as I never thought I would need it for

gulping down a couple of glasses of magnesium and one

of olive oil!

The full procedure and its benefits are extensively

discussed at a Curezone forum which is dedicated to

it. Do read the FAQ etc, it is all very interesting.

These are the links at the top of the page. The most

scientific approach is given by Telman.

http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=447

Sorry to write about Liver Flushing in a forum

intented for iodine research. I do think it is

extremely important to have a clean liver before

starting iodine supplementation. Both myself and DH

had done more than 25 Liver Flushes each before we

started on Iodoral. We have been up to 15 Iodorals a

day with absolutely no ill effects apart from a couple

of zits now and then. And with amazing results on our

overall health.

Since a lot of people all around seem to be floored by

detox symtoms with a couple of Iodoral pills, I cannot

help but think that our repeated Liver Flushing has

something to do with our suffering no ill effects from

the Iodoral.

I should add that since we have started on iodine, the

Liver Flushes have become nearly improductive. This

seems to indicate that the iodine helps in dissolving

the stones. Obviously, if these toxic stones are

dissolved and end up in the gut, the toxins are

reabsorbed, much more than if the stones are thrown

out of the body at one go by the flush.

Apart from this Liver Flushing has a lot of other

benefits. all this discussed in the forum mentioned.

Be well!

Kalliopi

--- Jeff & Joni <jeffnjoni@...> wrote:

> Hi Kalliopi,

>

>

>

> Could you tell me what is liver flushing? Is it the

> same as doing a detox?

> You mentioned you did 30 liver flushings, would you

> mind sharing just what

> that included?

>

> Thanks so much.

>

>

>

> Joni

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Kalliopi,

I was just reading Dr 's website. Did you do all the cleanses that

Dr recommends before the liver flush? It seems like an awful lot to do

and pricey.

B

God Bless America!

One nation under God

Re: liver flushing

> Hi Joni,

> Liver flushing is a procedure to clean your liver.

> There are several methods available and the one I used

> is the Hulda method, but I skipped the

> tranquilizer as I never thought I would need it for

> gulping down a couple of glasses of magnesium and one

> of olive oil!

> The full procedure and its benefits are extensively

> discussed at a Curezone forum which is dedicated to

> it. Do read the FAQ etc, it is all very interesting.

> These are the links at the top of the page. The most

> scientific approach is given by Telman.

> http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=447

>

> Sorry to write about Liver Flushing in a forum

> intented for iodine research. I do think it is

> extremely important to have a clean liver before

> starting iodine supplementation. Both myself and DH

> had done more than 25 Liver Flushes each before we

> started on Iodoral. We have been up to 15 Iodorals a

> day with absolutely no ill effects apart from a couple

> of zits now and then. And with amazing results on our

> overall health.

> Since a lot of people all around seem to be floored by

> detox symtoms with a couple of Iodoral pills, I cannot

> help but think that our repeated Liver Flushing has

> something to do with our suffering no ill effects from

> the Iodoral.

> I should add that since we have started on iodine, the

> Liver Flushes have become nearly improductive. This

> seems to indicate that the iodine helps in dissolving

> the stones. Obviously, if these toxic stones are

> dissolved and end up in the gut, the toxins are

> reabsorbed, much more than if the stones are thrown

> out of the body at one go by the flush.

> Apart from this Liver Flushing has a lot of other

> benefits. all this discussed in the forum mentioned.

> Be well!

> Kalliopi

>

> --- Jeff & Joni <jeffnjoni@...> wrote:

>

>> Hi Kalliopi,

>>

>>

>>

>> Could you tell me what is liver flushing? Is it the

>> same as doing a detox?

>> You mentioned you did 30 liver flushings, would you

>> mind sharing just what

>> that included?

>>

>> Thanks so much.

>>

>>

>>

>> Joni

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

A much easier, although slower approach is to eat a big salad for

lunch for a while consisting of bitter greens like dandelion,

chickory, mustard with a sour apple like granny smith, radish,

garnished with milk thistle seeds. Throw anything else in the salad

that helps the kidneys and liver. Dress the salad with a GENEROUS

amount of lemon juice (I like the frozen minute maid lemon juice -- so

much easier) and extra virgin olive oil. Take daily a good milk

thistle combo capsule (like from Solary) that has artichoke, dandelion

to support the kidneys. A few years back, I developed IBS and began

eating the above salads for lunch in attempt to alkalize myself. It

did help relieve my symptoms and also eliminate some stones in the

process.

Lorie

>

> Kalliopi,

> I was just reading Dr 's website. Did you do all the

cleanses that

> Dr recommends before the liver flush? It seems like an awful

lot to do

> and pricey.

> B

> God Bless America!

> One nation under God

>

[Guest guest]

I took Essiace Tea to cleanse before I started on Iodine and had NO bad

detox symtoms. When I frist started taking iodine, for a few days I

felt more energy. Then I felt my same old fatigue but I think it had to

do with not being on my thyroid med. yet. Since, I have done two liver

flushes and got so many stones out, I didn't think my gall bladder

could hold that many!

Maybe cleansing is the key to the lack of detox symtoms?

Janie

>

> Hi Joni,

> Liver flushing is a procedure to clean your liver.

> Sorry to write about Liver Flushing in a forum

> intented for iodine research. I do think it is

> extremely important to have a clean liver before

> starting iodine supplementation.

[Guest guest]

Janie,

How did you do a liver flush? What happens if you don't have a gall

bladder anymore?

B

God Bless America!

One nation under God

Re: liver flushing

>I took Essiace Tea to cleanse before I started on Iodine and had NO bad

> detox symtoms. When I frist started taking iodine, for a few days I

> felt more energy. Then I felt my same old fatigue but I think it had to

> do with not being on my thyroid med. yet. Since, I have done two liver

> flushes and got so many stones out, I didn't think my gall bladder

> could hold that many!

> Maybe cleansing is the key to the lack of detox symtoms?

>

>

> Janie

>

>>

>> Hi Joni,

>> Liver flushing is a procedure to clean your liver.

>

>> Sorry to write about Liver Flushing in a forum

>> intented for iodine research. I do think it is

>> extremely important to have a clean liver before

>> starting iodine supplementation.

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I never did all the other cleanses. Just the Liver

Flush and it costs 0 $!

The only addition I did at the time, which is not

really explained well on the Hulda flush, is

that you have to drink as much water as you can during

the process, but stop drinking 20 mns before until 20

mns after taking one of the magnesium/oil drinks.

Alternative " flushes " like eating salad etc, I had

done before and sadly were not enough for me. They are

NOT liver flushes, just a way to take care of your

liver.

By the way, I strongly advise against using ANYTHING

that has been processed if you can avoid it! Minute

Maid lemon juice ? Forget it!

Be well!

Kalliopi

--- B <clb13135@...> wrote:

> Kalliopi,

> I was just reading Dr 's website. Did you

> do all the cleanses that

> Dr recommends before the liver flush? It seems

> like an awful lot to do

> and pricey.

> B

> God Bless America!

> One nation under God

> Re: liver flushing

>

>

> > Hi Joni,

> > Liver flushing is a procedure to clean your liver.

> > There are several methods available and the one I

> used

> > is the Hulda method, but I skipped the

> > tranquilizer as I never thought I would need it

> for

> > gulping down a couple of glasses of magnesium and

> one

> > of olive oil!

> > The full procedure and its benefits are

> extensively

> > discussed at a Curezone forum which is dedicated

> to

> > it. Do read the FAQ etc, it is all very

> interesting.

> > These are the links at the top of the page. The

> most

> > scientific approach is given by Telman.

> > http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=447

> >

> > Sorry to write about Liver Flushing in a forum

> > intented for iodine research. I do think it is

> > extremely important to have a clean liver before

> > starting iodine supplementation. Both myself and

> DH

> > had done more than 25 Liver Flushes each before we

> > started on Iodoral. We have been up to 15 Iodorals

> a

> > day with absolutely no ill effects apart from a

> couple

> > of zits now and then. And with amazing results on

> our

> > overall health.

> > Since a lot of people all around seem to be

> floored by

> > detox symtoms with a couple of Iodoral pills, I

> cannot

> > help but think that our repeated Liver Flushing

> has

> > something to do with our suffering no ill effects

> from

> > the Iodoral.

> > I should add that since we have started on iodine,

> the

> > Liver Flushes have become nearly improductive.

> This

> > seems to indicate that the iodine helps in

> dissolving

> > the stones. Obviously, if these toxic stones are

> > dissolved and end up in the gut, the toxins are

> > reabsorbed, much more than if the stones are

> thrown

> > out of the body at one go by the flush.

> > Apart from this Liver Flushing has a lot of other

> > benefits. all this discussed in the forum

> mentioned.

> > Be well!

> > Kalliopi

> >

> > --- Jeff & Joni <jeffnjoni@...> wrote:

> >

> >> Hi Kalliopi,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Could you tell me what is liver flushing? Is it

> the

> >> same as doing a detox?

> >> You mentioned you did 30 liver flushings, would

> you

> >> mind sharing just what

> >> that included?

> >>

> >> Thanks so much.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Joni

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

The Liver Flush throws out stones that are in your

gallbladder AND in your liver, so it is still

beneficial even if you had your gallbladder removed.

Just search for it on the Curezone forum.

Best wishes,

Kalliopi

--- B <clb13135@...> wrote:

> Janie,

> How did you do a liver flush? What happens if

> you don't have a gall

> bladder anymore?

> B

> God Bless America!

> One nation under God

> Re: liver flushing

>

>

> >I took Essiace Tea to cleanse before I started on

> Iodine and had NO bad

> > detox symtoms. When I frist started taking iodine,

> for a few days I

> > felt more energy. Then I felt my same old fatigue

> but I think it had to

> > do with not being on my thyroid med. yet. Since, I

> have done two liver

> > flushes and got so many stones out, I didn't think

> my gall bladder

> > could hold that many!

> > Maybe cleansing is the key to the lack of detox

> symtoms?

> >

> >

> > Janie

> >

> >>

> >> Hi Joni,

> >> Liver flushing is a procedure to clean your

> liver.

> >

> >> Sorry to write about Liver Flushing in a forum

> >> intented for iodine research. I do think it is

> >> extremely important to have a clean liver before

> >> starting iodine supplementation.

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I do believe that cleansing is the key to the lack of

detox symptoms!

Kalliopi

--- janiebeau <JanieBea@...> wrote:

> I took Essiace Tea to cleanse before I started on

> Iodine and had NO bad

> detox symtoms. When I frist started taking iodine,

> for a few days I

> felt more energy. Then I felt my same old fatigue

> but I think it had to

> do with not being on my thyroid med. yet. Since, I

> have done two liver

> flushes and got so many stones out, I didn't think

> my gall bladder

> could hold that many!

> Maybe cleansing is the key to the lack of detox

> symtoms?

>

>

> Janie

>

> >

> > Hi Joni,

> > Liver flushing is a procedure to clean your liver.

>

> > Sorry to write about Liver Flushing in a forum

> > intented for iodine research. I do think it is

> > extremely important to have a clean liver before

> > starting iodine supplementation.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kalliopi,

Thank you so much for the information on

liver flushing.

I am very interested in this because I’m

pretty sure the reason I became so terribly nauseated after taking Iodoral was

because of my liver. This makes a lot of sense to me.

Even before starting on Iodoral I had been

thinking my liver needed help.

Do you have adrenal fatigue? On the

adrenal group list, it has been said that detoxing is very hard on

adrenals. So, I’m wondering if liver flushing would be

considered the same as detoxing the liver. I don’t want to do

anything that may make my adrenals worse.

Joni

[Guest guest]

Hi , (Not ignoring your question, just got home from work) I did

the Hulda liver/gall bladder flush. It wasn't expensive at all.

All I had to buy was apple juice, a grapefruit, black walnut tincture

and epsom's salt! If you don't have a gall bladder, it still flushes

the liver.

Good health to you,

Janie

>

> Janie,

> How did you do a liver flush? What happens if you don't have a

gall

> bladder anymore?

> B

> God Bless America!

> One nation under God

[Guest guest]

Thanks!

B

God Bless America!

One nation under God

Re: liver flushing

> Hi , (Not ignoring your question, just got home from work) I did

> the Hulda liver/gall bladder flush. It wasn't expensive at all.

> All I had to buy was apple juice, a grapefruit, black walnut tincture

> and epsom's salt! If you don't have a gall bladder, it still flushes

> the liver.

> Good health to you,

> Janie

>

>>

>> Janie,

>> How did you do a liver flush? What happens if you don't have a

> gall

>> bladder anymore?

>> B

>> God Bless America!

>> One nation under God

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Joni,

I did have adrenal fatigue with waking up every hour

during the night. In the day I was completely

exhausted after performing simple tasks. My body hurt

all over and I was very depressed because this was not

the real ME! This lasted for several years and was

getting worse and worse.

This went away completely after 8 months on Iodoral

but it started getting MUCH better after about 10

Liver Flushes. From the first Liver Flush I also

completely stopped drinking coffee in any form.

This was difficult for me, so I started by drinking

only one cup IN THE MORNING, and this had to be fairly

weak organic filter coffee. I couldn't do without that

for about a month, then I stopped completely.

I also stopped completely drinking any alcoholic

beverage until very recently.

I did this for two years. Now I am fine, I sleep

perfectly, my thyroid is perfect, I have lost about 15

kilos, and if I want I can have a glass of wine or a

coffee no problem.

I do not take a lot of supplements and medicines as

most of the people on this forum do, because I think

that if something went wrong it was because of a

faulty lifestyle. I wanted to get my body back in

balance and I did.

Lots of warm wishes for your health!

Kalliopi

--- Jeff & Joni <jeffnjoni@...> wrote:

> Hi Kalliopi,

>

>

>

> Thank you so much for the information on liver

> flushing.

>

> I am very interested in this because I'm pretty sure

> the reason I became so

> terribly nauseated after taking Iodoral was because

> of my liver. This makes

> a lot of sense to me.

>

> Even before starting on Iodoral I had been thinking

> my liver needed help.

>

>

>

> Do you have adrenal fatigue? On the adrenal group

> list, it has been said

> that detoxing is very hard on adrenals. So, I'm

> wondering if liver flushing

> would be considered the same as detoxing the liver.

> I don't want to do

> anything that may make my adrenals worse.

>

>

>

> Joni

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> Could you tell me what is liver flushing? Is it the same as doing a

detox?

> You mentioned you did 30 liver flushings, would you mind sharing

just what

> that included?

>

> Thanks so much.

>

> Joni

http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/kvass.html

Another way to flush the liver.

" Folk medicine values beets and beet kvass for their liver cleansing

properties and beet kvass is widely used in cancer therapy in Europe.

Anecdotal reports indicate that beet kvass is an excellent therapy for

chronic fatigue, chemical sensitivities, allergies and digestive

problems. "

.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that info, .I have had a beet kvass recipe in my files for a while, and now I have extra motivation to try it out. I have been dealing with chemical sensitivities for over a decade, now. I was always squeamish about beets, but I do L O V E anything fermented. (Well, I've never tried natto...) and I tried the oil and lemon flush, and could not stomach oil (the sight and smell would make me gag) for about a month afterward, so this is for me.

-- Warmest Regards,Robin Littlehttp://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/kvass.html

Another way to flush the liver.

" Folk medicine values beets and beet kvass for their liver cleansing

properties and beet kvass is widely used in cancer therapy in Europe.

Anecdotal reports indicate that beet kvass is an excellent therapy for

chronic fatigue, chemical sensitivities, allergies and digestive

problems. "

.

[Guest guest]

Warning: rude, crude know-it-all about to open his yapper

> In Chinese medicine the Liver and Kidneys are the core to a healthy

> immune system since the Liver removes toxins and the Kidneys keep the

> acid/base balance and the electrolyte balance.

There really is no one single 'key' to being healthy... but yes, they

are a very important key...

The digestive tract is just as important as the Liver, or the Kidneys -

or any of the other critical systems in our bodies.

> PLEASE NOTE: Liver flushing is hard on the system and it is not for

> everyone - it can even lead to emergency gallbladder removal so please

> do some research and reading on the topic.

Actually, if done right, it is very safe and you don't need to worry

about the emergency gall bladder surgery.

Just be sure you use a system that includes the use of Epsom Salts - and

be sure to be prepared to drink a large glass of Epsom Salts (in water)

if you start feeling extremely uncomfortable (indicating a clogged

biliary duct)...

The Epsom Salts will relax the biliary duct and allow whatever it is to

pass safely...

You mentioned that you did 4 flushes two years ago, and just did your 5th...

What many people fail to realize is, 1 or 3 flushes will most likely not

be nearly enough. It can take as many as, 5, 10, or even 20 or more

liver flushes to completely clean out the liver/gall bladder.

If you are serious about cleansing the liver, you should do a series of

them, with a short break in between (anywhere from a week to a month),

until you get no more 'stones' out. The 'stones' are not really stones,

but neither are they 'congealed olive oil' like some detractors claim.

The way you can know this to be true is simply keep doing the flushes,

and eventually the stones will be less and less, then there will be no

more, just some 'chaff'...

for anyone who can't stand the olive oil/garlic and/or Epsom Salts

drinks, Dr Schultze has a slower cleanse that is not nearly as

unpleasant, but takes a lot longer...

[Guest guest]

Brad, do you feel these cleanses have made you feel a lot better?

I have done liver, kidney and colon cleanses myself but not often.

A lot of people eat total junk all the time, and yet are not ill. I have always eaten healthy, and look at me now, functioning at 5%.

I took Chinese herbs before, not the cleanses, some herbs they told me to take at the accupuncture clinic (which I don't go to anymore as accupuncture didn't help either) and they raised my liver enzymes through the roof. Had I taken just a little longer, I would have needed liver transplant my primary told me.

So even though we can read all these possible dangers, there is no guarantee we can prevent them. Chinese herbs are strong. I wouldn't take the risk again unless I knew people with similar type illness that did in fact improve.

I wish I knew how to get my immune system to work like normal people's. Don't know if I am wasting time with MMS or what. But is 100% right when she says yeast infections happen with MMS because everyday it appears more and more that is the case with me and yet I take a super powerful probiotic, the strongest I have been able to find. And every time I get that burning in my stomach I think of almost getting an ulcer from it. Wonder if this is documented by Mr. Humble.

From: Brad Andersen <bradandersen@...>Subject: [ ] Liver Flushing Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 6:18 AM

Hello All,I noticed that after about 3 months on MMS my immune system began toget gradually worse. I believe this is because of the excessiveamount of toxins the MMS was releasing from my system. In Chinesemedicine the Liver and Kidneys are the core to a healthy immune systemsince the Liver removes toxins and the Kidneys keep the acid/basebalance and the electrolyte balance. I have spent 5 years focusing onmy health and my healing and I am coming down to what Chinese medicinehas known all along - you must have a clean liver and clean kidneys ifyou are going to be healthy.On the Candidasis group there are 4 letters from people who havebeen healed and they all did liver cleansing/flushing. A couple saythat Candida is just a buy product and the unhealthy liver was themain cause of their illness.The liver is responsible for removing toxins. It does this on amicroscopic scale, but

occasionally a woolly mammoth comes along andgets trapped in the tar pits - probably much more so when on MMS. Itthen continues to grow and grow until the liver can flush it.However, the liver only contracts when there are large amounts offat/oil in the stomach which the modern diet does not have - unlessyou are accustomed to eating chunks of lard. Thus, they get stuck andimpede the liver from doing it's job properly.On top of that, you must get the intestines healthy and for that Iwould look to colonics and enemas with and without coffee to ensurethe full elimination of any liver/gall stones. There are plenty ofsites for that information.I just did my 5th liver flush, 4 two years ago and then this one.This one yielded very good results - more than I would have expectedand probably due to the MMS usage. I even had something large getstuck on it's way out and I will be doing another this

weekend andperhaps even more after that.PLEASE NOTE: Liver flushing is hard on the system and it is not foreveryone - it can even lead to emergency gallbladder removal so pleasedo some research and reading on the topic. I would personally lookfor a product called Chanca Piedra (Phyllanthus Niruri - RaintreeNutrition) which is supposed to help break down stones inside of theliver and keep them from forming. This stuff can reduce bloodpressure, female antifertility, and a hypoglycemic effect so just becareful. That and the acid found in apples is supposed to help too -an apple a day does indeed keep the doctor away.Hulda recommends a parasite cleanse prior to liver flushing.I would also drink apple juice every day for a while prior to doing aflush.Here is some info on liver flushing:These could be in your liver right now impeding it's ability to function:http://www.curezone .com/ig/i. asp?i=35041http://www.sensible health.com/ Journey-01. xhtmlhttp://curezone. org/forums/ fm.asp?i= 182920These are the good recipes, I use the Hulda method and it worksquite well:http://www.curezone .com/gallstones/Anyhow, there are lots and lots of personal accounts on that siteabout the benefits, pitfalls, and dangers(http://curezone. com/forums/ fm.asp?i= 61987) of liver flushing.Good

health,Brad

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Vicki,I am not the only one reporting an ulcer issue with MMS. Someone else had posted this about themselves about the same time it began with me. Pretty synchronistic. That is what made me think of it. After I stopped taking the MMS orally it took several weeks to completely heal my gut. Also, others have reported MMS affective their good bacteria besides me.I take powerful probiotics all day long just so I can keep taking the MMS. Taking days off sometimes and loading up on the probiotics help a lot to repopulate the gut. Just a suggestion.On Dec 16, 2008, at 5:36 PM, Vicki wrote:Brad, do you feel these cleanses have made you feel a lot better? I have done liver, kidney and colon cleanses myself but not often. A lot of people eat total junk all the time, and yet are not ill. I have always eaten healthy, and look at me now, functioning at 5%. I took Chinese herbs before, not the cleanses, some herbs they told me to take at the accupuncture clinic (which I don't go to anymore as accupuncture didn't help either) and they raised my liver enzymes through the roof. Had I taken just a little longer, I would have needed liver transplant my primary told me. So even though we can read all these possible dangers, there is no guarantee we can prevent them. Chinese herbs are strong. I wouldn't take the risk again unless I knew people with similar type illness that did in fact improve. I wish I knew how to get my immune system to work like normal people's. Don't know if I am wasting time with MMS or what. But is 100% right when she says yeast infections happen with MMS because everyday it appears more and more that is the case with me and yet I take a super powerful probiotic, the strongest I have been able to find. And every time I get that burning in my stomach I think of almost getting an ulcer from it. Wonder if this is documented by Mr. Humble.From: Brad Andersen <bradandersen@...>Subject: [ ] Liver Flushing Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 6:18 AMHello All,I noticed that after about 3 months on MMS my immune system began toget gradually worse. I believe this is because of the excessiveamount of toxins the MMS was releasing from my system. In Chinesemedicine the Liver and Kidneys are the core to a healthy immune systemsince the Liver removes toxins and the Kidneys keep the acid/basebalance and the electrolyte balance. I have spent 5 years focusing onmy health and my healing and I am coming down to what Chinese medicinehas known all along - you must have a clean liver and clean kidneys ifyou are going to be healthy.On the Candidasis group there are 4 letters from people who havebeen healed and they all did liver cleansing/flushing. A couple saythat Candida is just a buy product and the unhealthy liver was themain cause of their illness.The liver is responsible for removing toxins. It does this on amicroscopic scale, but occasionally a woolly mammoth comes along andgets trapped in the tar pits - probably much more so when on MMS. Itthen continues to grow and grow until the liver can flush it.However, the liver only contracts when there are large amounts offat/oil in the stomach which the modern diet does not have - unlessyou are accustomed to eating chunks of lard. Thus, they get stuck andimpede the liver from doing it's job properly.On top of that, you must get the intestines healthy and for that Iwould look to colonics and enemas with and without coffee to ensurethe full elimination of any liver/gall stones. There are plenty ofsites for that information.I just did my 5th liver flush, 4 two years ago and then this one.This one yielded very good results - more than I would have expectedand probably due to the MMS usage. I even had something large getstuck on it's way out and I will be doing another this weekend andperhaps even more after that.PLEASE NOTE: Liver flushing is hard on the system and it is not foreveryone - it can even lead to emergency gallbladder removal so pleasedo some research and reading on the topic. I would personally lookfor a product called Chanca Piedra (Phyllanthus Niruri - RaintreeNutrition) which is supposed to help break down stones inside of theliver and keep them from forming. This stuff can reduce bloodpressure, female antifertility, and a hypoglycemic effect so just becareful. That and the acid found in apples is supposed to help too -an apple a day does indeed keep the doctor away.Hulda recommends a parasite cleanse prior to liver flushing.I would also drink apple juice every day for a while prior to doing aflush.Here is some info on liver flushing:These could be in your liver right now impeding it's ability to function:http://www.curezone .com/ig/i. asp?i=35041http://www.sensible health.com/ Journey-01. xhtmlhttp://curezone. org/forums/ fm.asp?i= 182920These are the good recipes, I use the Hulda method and it worksquite well:http://www.curezone .com/gallstones/Anyhow, there are lots and lots of personal accounts on that siteabout the benefits, pitfalls, and dangers(http://curezone. com/forums/ fm.asp?i= 61987) of liver flushing.Good health,Brad