CALCIUM MAGNESIUM

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Dear Dorothy,

What an incredible article. My 46 yr old husband just a mo and half ago had a

rather serious stroke.

He is in rehab getting a brace and trying to get that left side going. He

literally begged me on the phone tonite to get online and find something to

relieve his nonstop headache since the stroke. The cause of the stroke-

regurgitating mitral valve. I am going to get my poor guy some magnesium

taurate and I'll take some too. The lipitor is just a bunch of junk. I think

the 'cure' 'is as bad as the disease. Thanx again.

Grace,

Peggy

dorothy freddo <dotsieboo5@...> wrote:

This article made a photographic proofs how calcium crystals destroyed

mitochrondria in the cells. Once it is destroyed, it is a permanent

condition. Therefore, I find it necessary to be very careful about not

using calcium. Unknown to this article is the fact that bone disease

is a vitamin D4, magnesium, and boron deficiency. Vitamin D4 and

Magnesium in practice seems to go hand in hand, but the dosages of

vitamin D4 is typically 50,000 I.U. per week for a period of 1-2

months. Improvement is seen within the one or two month. However,

using these three supplements seems improved the conditions faster.

Many doctors today do not prescribe anyone using vitamin D and if they

do, it's not enough and if it's enough, it is the wrong vitamin D!

Again I am breaking up the very long article here.

Same source! http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html

Milk & Calcium Toxicity

The third dietary cause of inadequate intracellular magnesium

is competition by calcium. This is one very obvious cause,

particularly to people who have gone off their ridiculous calcium

supplements and dairy products diet and gotten much better in just a

day or two. To those people that refuse to eliminate calcium

supplementation (perhaps due to previous advice from a physician), I

offer my condolences and hope that you have a good long-term health

care insurance policy. People ask me if I worry about not getting

enough calcium by " over " emphasizing magnesium. People seem to want to

supplement their already calcium-rich, dairy product laden diets with

calcium too, not magnesium. Some people are actually afraid to stop

drinking milk, even though they are toxic from drinking too much of it

and supplementing with calcium to theoretically " prevent

osteoporosis " . Why?

The dairy industry has used " osteoporosis prevention " as a

marketing tool for calcium. However, milk and calcium supplements do

not seem to be the correct answer. In countries where dairy products

are commonly consumed, there are actually more hip fractures than in

other countries. When put to the test, most studies show that dairy

products and calcium supplements have little effect on osteoporosis.

As surprising as that may be, when researchers have measured bone loss

in postmenopausal women, most have found that calcium intake has

little effect on the bone density of the spine. There is also little

or no effect on bone at the hip, where serious breaks can occur. Some

studies have found a small effect from calcium intake on bone density

in the forearm. The overall message seems to be that, as long as one

is not grossly deficient in calcium, calcium supplements and dairy

products do not have much beneficial effect. Science magazine (August

1, 1996) noted: " ...the large body of evidence indicating no

relationship between calcium intake and bone density. " Why not? For

one thing, hormones very carefully regulate the amount of calcium in

bones. Other studies have shown that increasing magnesium intake

increases bone absorption of calcium. Why? The balance of calcium and

magnesium must be maintained, and since there is plenty of calcium in

our diets, bone density increases from extra magnesium is an automatic

reaction. On the other hand, simply increasing calcium intake does not

fool these hormones into building more bone, any more than delivering

an extra load of bricks will convince a construction crew to build a

larger building. Psychiatrists have known for many years that loss of

hormonal control of calcium causes severe mental illnesses (dementias)

including depression. Apparently, long term, stress with excessive

calcium intake and limited magnesium intake can cause loss of hormonal

control of calcium.

What happens to people that go cold-turkey on dairy and calcium

supplements? In the spring of 1998, I had a heel bone density test

done using the new FDA approved Sahara ultrasound test for

osteoporosis, which is made by the Hologic Company. The test cost me

$20 and was totally painless, as are all ultrasounds. It was conducted

by a respected local clinic, so what did I have to loose? My 1998 test

result was taken when I was 58. I had a new test done in Spring of

2003 and the fall of 2004. These are my test results for 1998 through

2004. My wife said I was (and still am) very hard headed, and these

tests confirm her observations. Until I became depressed in 1999, I

had been practicing the high-calcium-is-good-for-you-concept too. My

bone density has fallen a bit, but my bone density is still 1 standard

deviation higher than average. My heel bone density remains high, and

T-Scores changed from +0.6 to -0.1 over the five years. These T-Scores

are indicative of very low risk of bone breakage from osteoporosis,

and the score is that of a young adult (but I am 63 in 2004).

Obviously my bone density was not damaged by no-more-calcium-than-I-

can-obtain from vegetables. Also, I drink de-ionized (essentially

distilled) water without any mineral content, so that is not a source

of hidden calcium. My mental health is much better with low calcium

and I very much believe in very low calcium as a healthy way of

living, but only if there is adequate magnesium. Please contact

Hologic and find a local clinic that can do this test for you before

you terminate calcium. Recheck each year.

Calcium toxicity is something that even the National Dairy Council has

a great concern, saying near the bottom of their page: " However,

overuse of calcium-fortified foods, calcium supplements, or antacids

containing calcium may increase risk of calcium toxicity,

characterized by high blood levels of calcium, kidney damage, and

calcification of soft tissues. " High blood levels of calcium are

called hypercalcemia, which can cause: nausea, vomiting, alterations

of mental status, abdominal or flank (kidney) pain, constipation,

lethargy, depression, weakness and vague muscle/joint aches, polyuria,

headache, coma (severe elevation) and death (particularly in the

elderly who are more sensitive to excess calcium). Kidney damage

includes kidney stones. Do you really want to have " calcified soft

tissues " ? They include calcified arteries (hardening of the arteries),

calcified heart valves (mitral valve prolapse), and calcified tendons.

As we age, calcium also accumulates in the soft tissues of the body.

When calcium deposits in dead tissue, it is called dystrophic calcium

(like atherosclerotic plaques). When excess calcium becomes deposited

in living tissue, it is called metastatic calcium (like

arteriosclerosis). Heart attacks and death often result from excess

accumulations of calcium in these conditions but do not occur from

excess magnesium, which appears highly protective. When calcium gets

into cells, the cells turn on, whatever " on " is for those cells. In

the case of stress-induced depression and related mental disorders,

the cells are the neuro synaptic cells of the brain discussed in depth

here. When calcium enters a muscle cell, the muscle contracts. If

excessive calcium stays there, the muscle stays contracted and results

in severe pain. The familiar knots in our upper backs and necks are

just such calcified muscles that are stuck in the " on " or contracted

position. The pathological version of this condition is called

fibromyalgia where there are many such knotted muscles. The extreme

example of this is rigor mortis (as in death), in which all the

muscles of the body are flooded with calcium and contract -

permanently. As we age, we accumulate more and more dystrophic and

metastatic calcium, and become stiffer and stiffer. The solution,

balance excess calcium with excess magnesium, or simply don't indulge

in the Calcium-At-Any-Cost campaign! Feel like you have been lied to?

Yes? You are right. Interestingly, physicians now, (finally) report

that low blood calcium can be caused by under active parathyroid

glands, low calcium in the diet, severe burns or infections,

pancreatitis, kidney failure, or low blood magnesium. Which of these

six possible ways to develop low blood calcium is most likely to be

cause of low calcium in the Western diet? Anybody remember magnesium

fortification or magnesium promotions by any company? Any danger here?

No. How about calcium promotions and advertisements? Aren't they

everywhere? Yes! Given this apparent intent to poison Americans with

calcium, why would anyone be concerned at this juncture about

overdoing magnesium? Is this Al Qaeda's secret weapon for killing

Americans? NO! We invented this one all by ourselves, probably thanks

to the NIH's unbalanced consensus statement on calcium (a monograph

absent balance with magnesium). Nothing that I am saying should be

construed to mean anything more than we must feed ourselves in a way

that keeps our magnesium and calcium balance correct, or, in many of

our cases, reestablish a proper, healthy calcium - magnesium balance,

nearly always by reducing calcium overloads and increasing magnesium.

If we don't want to balance our calcium and magnesium ratios using

supplemental magnesium and a low calcium diet, we can always allow

psychiatrists to do it with electro convulsive therapy (ECT).

All of these effects are exaggerated in space flight, and pose

serious problems of heart attacks during flight and post flight. In

addition to the previously described ischemic mechanisms which may

lead to calcium overload of the myocardium and the arterial wall, and

potentially leading to a myocardial infarction, other conditions

complicating space flights, can precipitate calcium overload with cell

necrosis, i.e. catecholamine elevations, insulin resistance and

magnesium ion loss and deficiency. A major effort is in place to

maintain magnesium serum levels during space flight, because loss of

magnesium during space flight is found to be a limiting factor on

space flight duration. The loss of magnesium is much greater in men

and current interest in women in space flight is stimulated by their

lower losses of magnesium. Candida albicans yeast is a serious problem

in space flight because it depletes acidophilus bacteria and would

greatly reduce magnesium absorption. One might hypothesize that female

astronauts are strongly interested in preventing vaginal yeast

infections in space flights and that they use antifungals, thus

explaining these differences.

Scientists and physicians will want to read this ten-page

report titled " Calcium and Magnesium Deposits in Disease " , by Mildred

S. Seelig, MD, MPH of the American College of Nutrition, a world-class

expert on magnesium. This article points out that most abnormal

mineral deposits are calcareous, occurring in areas of tissue damage

that can be caused by magnesium deficiency. Topics covered:

Mineralization of arteries and heart by calcium excess, magnesium

deficiency. Atherogenic and/or calcemic diets. Low magnesium and

spontaneous myocardial infarction. High vitamin-D and/or phosphate

diet intensifies magnesium deficiency. Stress and catecholamines.

Mitochondrial lesions of ischemic hearts resemble those of magnesium

deficiency. Diabetes increases myocardial calcium (Ca) 400 times

normal. Mineralization by calcium of human arteriosclerotic arteries

with aging due to lifelong magnesium deficiency. Infantile and

juvenile cardiovascular calcification resemble experimental magnesium

deficiency. Cardiovascular calcification in diabetes mellitus and

renal failure, kidneys, urolithiasis, effect of magnesium in

preventing. Soft tissue calcification inhibition by magnesium.

Chrondrocalcinosis, enlarged joints, pseudogout Ca-PP-dihydrate.

Apatite formation. Inhibit subcutaneous calcification by injection of

CaATP with magnesium. Articular calcification of uremia. Interstitial

and periarticular calcinosis. Myositis ossifacans. Tendons. Fluoride

toxicity. Vitamin-D toxicity. Placenta calcification. Pancreatic

calcification. Ocular calcification. Cardiovascular damage prevented

by magnesium. These and other similar conditions, even in absence of

magnesium deficiency, may be responsive to magnesium treatment over a

one year period.

The " Calcium-At-Any-Cost " campaign currently underway in the

United states appears identical to the " Vitamin D-At-Any-Cost "

campaign of the early part of the twentieth century. After many years

of campaigning for a diet richer in vitamin-D, people began to get far

too much with serious consequences. Normal exposure to sunlight

provides enough vitamin-D to satisfy healthy bodily processes for most

of us (exceptions including clinical cases of Season Affective

disorder (SAD), and possibly dark-skinned people living in low-

sunlight conditions). Supplementing with vitamin-D, pills, enriched

breakfast foods, milk, and other sources of vitamin D led to an

epidemic of calcification of soft tissues, such as the kidney, heart,

aorta, muscle, hypercalcemia, decalcification of bone, muscular

weakness, joint pains, and various other symptoms, all being symptoms

of excess calcium. The " Vitamin D-At-Any-Cost " campaign was replaced

by the " Calcium-At-Any-Cost " campaign, which has failed us too. It is

time to get serious and address the real problem, magnesium

deficiency. EDITORIAL OPINION: If a health consciousness revolution

occurs and magnesium gets the attention currently afforded calcium,

great displacement is likely in medicine, because much of modern

clinical practice appears built on the foundation of faulty calcium-

magnesium balances.

For those of us that have consumed too much calcium relative

to magnesium, excess calcium has become a neurotoxin. For example, I

used to be so sensitive to calcium, that a single 500 mg calcium

dietary supplement induced in me a strong feeling of depression within

1 hour (relievable with 400 mg magnesium). To me, this is clear

evidence that either treatment-resistant or stress-induced depression

are not necessarily psychological or psychiatric disorders (although

depression certainly can be). Rather, these forms of depression are a

disorder of calcium / magnesium balance. In fact, had I not

experienced these effects, I could not have realized or appreciated

how dangerous our high calcium diet actually is. I assume you are no

different, and I urge you to tune in to your body better, and note

your body's response to calcium supplements. See if you don't

experience worsened depression or other worsened moods after ingesting

a big wad of calcium. Many people, women usually, e-mailed me saying

that magnesium did not terminate their depression. I always respond

with a request for them to review their dietary supplements and dairy

intake for calcium. Invariably, they report between 1000 and 2000 mg

daily intake of calcium, as dietary supplements plus dairy, or that

they used a non-ionizable, totally useless, criminally ineffective

compound of magnesium, such as magnesium carbonate, magnesium oxide or

magnesium hydroxide. People have also used magnesium chelates of

undescribed nature, magnesium aspartate or magnesium glutamate with

greatly worsened symptoms. I report back to them that in my opinion

their calcium intake is preventing their recovery and their choice of

magnesium compounds is wrong. Those that make the suggested changes

usually report back to me with really nice words of praise and thanks

you notes for their very speedy recovery. From these results and

others, we can infer that large doses of ionic magnesium in the

treatment of depression and other disorders either: (a) restore

hormonal control of calcium or ( re balance the calcium / magnesium

serum ratio. In my opinion, re-balancing the calcium / magnesium ratio

is more likely. Why? The effects of magnesium, although extremely

strong, are short-lived; and continued magnesium supplementation is

usually required to maintain well being. If hormonal control were re-

established, it seems to me that we would not need continued large

doses of magnesium daily. This is not to say that over a long time,

hormonal control may eventually result, particularly if we eliminate

sugar and other high glycemic index foods from our diets and

supplement with chromium and possibly vanadium.

Viewed under a dark field microscope, these red blood cells

taken from a Gulf War medical reporter show many small spikes sticking

out from their surfaces. These cell-surface spikes are produced by

severe intracellular magnesium depletion and excess calcium resulting

in echinocytes. I wonder if presence of echinocytes is predictive of

who will benefit from magnesium therapy in treatment of depression and

other disorders. I suspect magnesium treatment eventually eliminates

echinocytes, restoring the picture of normal red blood cells. From

this microphotograph, overdoing calcium supplements and foods rich in

calcium (especially dairy products) and ignoring magnesium dietary

intake appears to result in visible cellular " calcium toxicity " . This

photograph is amazing; and should illustrate a new way of determining

severe, potentially life-threatening calcium/magnesium imbalance. The

presence of spikes would prevent spiked blood cells from flowing

smoothly through arteries and veins. It seems to me that spiked red

blood cells (echinocytes) passing through the arteries and arterioles

of the heart and brain could trigger strokes and heart attacks and all

precursor symptoms associated with these disorders.

Remember magnesium is used to regulate receptor sites for

neurotransmitters, and is active in the hippocampus (the emotional

center of the body). Our children may be at great risk because they

think they need to remain thin to be accepted. Those foods that are

high in magnesium that would help them cope with the stresses of

growing up (school yard bullies, PMSing teen girls, and teen life in

general) are not on their plates. However, milk and cheese products

are on their plates, and calcium/magnesium imbalances may contribute

to school violence in manic or manic depressive (bi-polar) students.

Without enough magnesium, these young people can loose control over

their moods, sometimes with devastating results. Violence or meanness

to others has not been reported in the medical literature to be caused

by insufficient magnesium except in some ADHD, mania or manic-

depressive patients. Consequently, I am not worried about ADHD, manic,

manic depressive, or depressive patients getting too much magnesium,

rather I am concerned that our calcium / magnesium balance be

corrected.

My worries about milk are additive to what some scientists

worry about concerning homogenized milk. " Homogenizing cow's milk

transforms healthy butterfat into microscopic spheres of fat

containing xanthine oxidase (XO) which is one of the most powerful

digestive enzymes there is. The spheres are small enough to pass

intact right through the stomach and intestines walls without first

being digested. Thus this extremely powerful protein knife, XO, floats

throughout the body in the blood and lymph systems. When the XO breaks

free from its fat envelope, it attacks the inner wall of whatever

vessel it is in. This creates a wound. The wound triggers the arrival

of patching plaster to seal off that wound. The patching plaster is

cholesterol. Hardening of the arteries, heart disease, chest pain,

heart attack is the result. " Atherosclerosis,1989;77:251-6. If you

really want the scoop, and don't mind reading about the " pus " in milk,

enjoy this site. Milk gives people gas too.

Some depressed people appear to need more calcium because

laboratory tests show that they are in a negative calcium balance.

That means they leak not just magnesium (hypomagnesemia), but calcium

too. They may have accelerated bone loss perhaps from post menopausal

osteoporosis or other diseases or disorders. They are in a bad

predicament. If they increase calcium they often become more

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" Vitamin D4 " ??? -- only 188 results >>

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" Vitamin D3 " -- 282,000 results >>

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & lr= & q=%22vitamin+D3%22

below, an excerpt from:

http://www.innvista.com/health/nutrition/vitamins/d.htm

Note: " Vitamin D4 is an ineffective form of Vitamin D. "

Vitamin D3 is the internal form of Vitamin D. Other names include:

cholecalciferol, ergosterol, calcidiol, activated 7-dehydrocholesterol,

25-Hydroxycholecalciferol, 25-Hydroxyvitamin D3, oleo-Vitamin D3, CC, Calderol,

Duphafral D31000, Delsterol, Deparal, Ebivit, Micro-Dee, NeoDohyfral D3,

Provitina, Ricketon, Trivitan, D3-Vicotrat, Vi-De-3-hydrosol, Vigantol,

Vigorsan.

Vitamin D4 is an ineffective form of Vitamin D. Other names include:

oleovitamin D4, 22:23-dihydrovitamin D2, 22,23-dihydroergocalciferol. It forms

dihydrotachysterol.

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At 07:21 PM 5/21/2005, dorothy freddo wrote:

>

>This article made a photographic proofs how calcium crystals destroyed

>mitochrondria in the cells. Once it is destroyed, it is a permanent

>condition. Therefore, I find it necessary to be very careful about not

>using calcium. Unknown to this article is the fact that bone disease

>is a vitamin D4, magnesium, and boron deficiency. Vitamin D4 and

>Magnesium in practice seems to go hand in hand, but the dosages of

>vitamin D4 is typically 50,000 I.U. per week for a period of 1-2

>months. Improvement is seen within the one or two month. However,

>using these three supplements seems improved the conditions faster.

>Many doctors today do not prescribe anyone using vitamin D and if they

>do, it's not enough and if it's enough, it is the wrong vitamin D!

>

>Again I am breaking up the very long article here.

>Same source! http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html

>

>Milk & Calcium Toxicity

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>

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> This article made a photographic proofs how calcium crystals destroyed

> mitochrondria in the cells. Once it is destroyed, it is a permanent

> condition. Therefore, I find it necessary to be very careful about not

> using calcium.

Calcium is not even supposed to get into the mitochondria. Something

else is afoot, unrelated to the calcium. The moral is " don't get your

valid information too confounded by the notmilk trolls " .

Intresting isn't it that the " he said, she said " war of words from

both sides including th article I'm commenting on today conveniently

omits the role vitamin C, b-vitamins, growth hormone, boron and

strontium play in bone growth? Similarly, the violence mntioned in

the article can be caused by a vitamin and mineral deficiency beyond

calcium and magnesium.

Personally, although I read the articles, I think both sides

speculate too much and I don't give either side much credence for a

balanced viewpoint..

Duncan Crow

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In a message dated 10/12/2007 7:49:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DotsieBoo writes:

Unknown to this article is the fact that bone disease is a vitamin D4, magnesium, and boron deficiency. Vitamin D4 and Magnesium in practice seems to go hand in hand, but the dosages of vitamin D4 is typically 50,000 I.U. per week for a period of 1-2 months.

Sorry, this was supposed to go to someone off list. However, someone pointed out an error in the above: There is a D3 deficiency, not D4. Thanks Sara. See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.

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Thank you of Israel. I will drop my calcium as i seem to have corn size bums on my wrist bones and ankles and feet.