Re: Re: Changing Activator ?

[Guest guest]

On 11/14/2009, KGR (kgrdoss@...) wrote:

> What I meant was you can have a better control over release of ClO2

> gas by Weak acids than strong acids like HCl.

My point was, once HCL is diluted, it is no longer a 'strong acid'.

> As you may recollect, according to Jim Humble, Citric based activator

> is so chosen that it releases ClO2 in a very slow manner for about 12

> hours.

Actually, he has revised this claim, which is why the new protocol is to

take much smaller doses an hour or two apart - because the CLO2 is NOT

released over 12 hours, it is used up much more quickly, like 1 or 2 hours.

There are numerous discussion about the relatively unscientific basis

for many of Jims claims. He appears to operate more on simple

observation than rigorous scientific testing. Not that I'm knocking

observation - I think that most modern scientists who flat out dismiss

anecdotal evidence are missing the boat. But, when dealing with things

like MMS, I would prefer that a more scientific approach be used to

determine certaing things - like, for example, how much CLO2 gas is

generated and for how long, when using different activators at different

strengths.

I don't have the knowledge/background (or time) to perform such tests

myself, so I can't really complain that others haven't done so either...

> Where as HCl is likely to release it with in a couple of minutes and

> might deliver ClO2 in high dosage and act only for a short time.

What is your basis for this comment? This may be true if you used 50%

solution, but what makes you think a properly diluted solution would do

this?

> This is my apprehension which needs to be verified with actual

> trials.

Ah... ok, fair enough, I think the question is valid - see my above for

a desire to see more scientific basis for these questions - we are in

agreement on the need for more rigorous testing, but you seem to be

dismissing HCL based on mere 'feeling', and promoting the use of

phosphoric acid on the same basis...

> Thanks for your response.

Thanks for not taking my responses as personal attacks, as they

certainly are not intended as such...

[Guest guest]

On 11/14/2009, Yochanan (yburkett@...) wrote:

> Hi All, Do you think the acidic grapefruit seed extract might be a

> good candidate to activate MMS1? I saw a Youtube video showing a guy

> making a toothpaste (baking soda) and then adding a drop of

> grapefruit seed extract. Somehow the grapefruit seed extract

> activates the baking soda. Any more light that can be shed on this

> process?

Another interesting question... but again, one which requires a more

technical background in chemistry.

Is there a chemist in the house?

[Guest guest]

I don't believe GSE is acidic. It is, however, a great antibacterial agent.

So adding it to baking soda would definitely get your mouth clean. It tasted

horribly bitter though.

Gayla

Bob and Gayla

Always Enough Ranch

Acampo, CA

Re: [ ] Re: Changing Activator ?

> On 11/14/2009, Yochanan (yburkett@...) wrote:

>> Hi All, Do you think the acidic grapefruit seed extract might be a

>> good candidate to activate MMS1? I saw a Youtube video showing a guy

>> making a toothpaste (baking soda) and then adding a drop of

>> grapefruit seed extract. Somehow the grapefruit seed extract

>> activates the baking soda. Any more light that can be shed on this

>> process?

>

> Another interesting question... but again, one which requires a more

> technical background in chemistry.

>

> Is there a chemist in the house?

>

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

On 11/15/2009 1:39 PM, KGR wrote:

> I fail to understand why one should acidify grapefruit seed extract

> and then use it for activation.

I read his question as to assume that GSE was already acidic, not that

he was suggesting to 'acidify it'... maybe I read it wrong, but it still

looks like that is what he was thinking.

Nor did/do I know if GSE is acidic in and of itself... if it isn't, then

obviously it is not an option as an activator.

[Guest guest]

On 11/16/2009, Yochanan (yburkett@...) wrote:

> Tanstaffl, you read it right. I checked the acidity of grapefruit

> seed extract: it has pH=5.5, which is acidic.

I imagine this would vary between brands, maybe even batches of GSE too,

so thats another factor to consider.

I still like my idea of using liquid HCL. Once I'm ready to do my next

cleanse is probably when I'll actually take the time to sit down and

determine the appropriate concentration...

[Guest guest]

I am in Cameroon/Africa and I have been diagnosded stomach cancer. Where can I issue MMS1 and MMS2 and how can I be sure that the product are originals.

Thxs.

[ ] Re: Changing Activator ?

Tanstaffl, you read it right. I checked the acidity of grapefruit seed extract: it has pH=5.5, which is acidic. It is roughly equivalent in acidity to 10% citric acid, according to the pH strips I have. However, I'm not 100% sure of the acidity because the pH indicated is at the end of the strip range (5.5), so both substances could be even more acidic than indicated.Assuming the acidity of the citric acid or the grapefruit seed extract is about 5.5, then this is the lowest pH that could be expected when combined with the sodium chlorite, pH >13.> > I fail to understand why one should acidify grapefruit seed extract> > and then use it for activation.> > I read his question as to assume that GSE was already acidic, not that> he was suggesting to 'acidify it'... maybe I read it wrong, but it still> looks like that is what he was thinking.> > Nor did/do I know if GSE is acidic in and of itself... if it isn't, then> obviously it is not an option as an activator.>

[Guest guest]

On 11/16/2009, Yochanan (yburkett@...) wrote:

> Using a diluted solution of HCL or citric acid is better than

> grapefruit seed extract because you can get fewer drops to activate

> the sodium chlorite--an important consideration when putting the

> mixture in capsules. Do you know if HCl is something you can purchase

> in a pharmacy or other store?

I don't know about a pharmacy or local store, but you can get it online...

Here's where I ordered mine:

http://secure.sciencecompany.com/Hydrochloric-Acid-10-solution-500ml-P6533.aspx

I got the 10% solution, and am hoping that it will be stronger than what

I need. If not, I guess I'll need to order the 36-38% solution, but for

that they only ship to a business/institution...

[Guest guest]

http://www.mmsmiracle.com/mkbsfo

http://www.bettermms.com/mms_store/ccp0-display/splash.html

MMS1

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1505528

Derde wrote:

I am in

Cameroon/Africa and I have been diagnosded stomach cancer. Where can I

issue MMS1 and MMS2 and how can I be sure that the product are

originals.

Thxs.

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[ ] Re: Changing Activator ?

Tanstaffl, you read it right. I checked the acidity of

grapefruit seed extract: it has pH=5.5, which is acidic. It is roughly

equivalent in acidity to 10% citric acid, according to the pH strips I

have. However, I'm not 100% sure of the acidity because the pH

indicated is at the end of the strip range (5.5), so both substances

could be even more acidic than indicated.

Assuming the acidity of the citric acid or the grapefruit seed extract

is about 5.5, then this is the lowest pH that could be expected when

combined with the sodium chlorite, pH >13.

> > I fail to understand why one should acidify grapefruit seed

extract

> > and then use it for activation.

>

> I read his question as to assume that GSE was already acidic, not

that

> he was suggesting to 'acidify it'... maybe I read it wrong, but it

still

> looks like that is what he was thinking.

>

> Nor did/do I know if GSE is acidic in and of itself... if it

isn't, then

> obviously it is not an option as an activator.

>