Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Thanks. On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Anne Fischer-Silva wrote: > I would recommend a tsp. of apple cider vinegar with each meal in lieu of the HCl. Anne > Re: [ ] Hydrochloric Acid > > > > What if your child is unable to swallow pills. My daughter is 4.5 yrs and > won't swallow pills. Any suggestions? > > Jane > > On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Anne Fischer-Silva wrote: > > > Hi Tara, > > > > Don't sprinkle it on food - HCl is corrosive to tooth enamel so you do not want to chew it. > > If you do not have a natural health practitioner from whom you can order professional products, your best bet is to go to a health food store and look for hydrochloric acid. I'm not sure what Dr. Natasha recommends, but here is what I recommend to my clients: > > > > Everyone's need for HCl is different, so I have clients do the Stomach Challenge Test. Some folks need quite a lot to be effective; others just a bit. To determine your personal need for HCl, take one tablet with each meal. Do this for three days. On day four, if you have not experienced too much acid (which feels like a warm, full feeling or slight heartburn about 20 minutes after the meal), then increase your dosing to 2 tablets with each meal. Do this for three days and keep increasing accordingly, every three days, until you feel the burn. Once you get the burn, back off to whatever your dose was the prior to the increase and hold at that dose. For example, if you feel the burn at 4, back off to 3 and that is your dose with each meal. > > > > There is one major caveat: if someone already has heartburn, or GERD, they should not take HCl. Even though they are hugely lacking it, they must first heal the gut before adding in the supplemental HCl. This is best done under the guidance of a practitioner. > > > > Anne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 I've found that if I take a Betaine HCL capsule without a lot of meat protein in my belly, I get heartburn. Is that normal? I presume then it's working on the protein itself? Or...? Thanks! Jent " The greater part of what my neighbors call good, I believe in my soul to be bad, and if I repent of anything, it is very likely to be my good behavior. What demon possessed me that I behaved so well? " -Henry Thoreau ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Your need for supplemental HCl is low. Anne Re: [ ] Hydrochloric Acid I've found that if I take a Betaine HCL capsule without a lot of meat proteinin my belly, I get heartburn. Is that normal? I presume then it's working onthe protein itself? Or...?Thanks!Jent"The greater part of what my neighbors call good, I believe in my soul to be bad, and if I repent of anything, it is very likely to be my good behavior. What demon possessed me that I behaved so well?" -Henry Thoreau__________________________________________________________Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 why would one need HCL and how do you know if you need it? thanks > Your need for supplemental HCl is low. Anne > > Re: [ ] Hydrochloric Acid > > > I've found that if I take a Betaine HCL capsule without a lot of meat protein > in my belly, I get heartburn. Is that normal? I presume then it's working on > the protein itself? Or...? > > Thanks! > > Jent > > " The greater part of what my neighbors call good, I believe in my soul to be bad, and if I repent of anything, it is very likely to be my good behavior. What demon possessed me that I behaved so well? " -Henry Thoreau > > __________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 Betaine hcl is not hydrochloric acid. it is a methyl donor and I would look this up to increase your understanding of how it works. (methyl donor). betaine usually comes from beets and the hcl is hydrochloride , a salt to act as a carrier, no different than drugs. this will eventually exhaust the body of alkaline minerals by throwing too much acid into the blood. this will lead to exhaustion of the body's ability to give up sodium bicarbonate to activate pancreatic enzymes in the small intestine to digest pro, cho and fat. so, it's best to get the body to make it's hcl by enhancing digestion of pro, cho ,fat or all, so the body will maintain homeostasis. most of the time it's too many cho's and not enough pro/fat (or poorly digested) that causes the problem the iodine supplementation appears initially to be fixing before in some cases tissue exhaustion appears. linda rn Hydrochloric Acid Merry Christmas everyone,Several nights ago, I saw Suzanne Somers on the Larry King Live show. She was advocating the use of supplements as a way to regenerate the body and prevent aging, sickness, etc.One of the important supplements she mentioned was hydrochloric acid; she said the reason bloating and gas is experienced by some is because of a decrease in hydrochloric acid as a person gets older. The remedy--supplement with Betain HCL.She also said to supplement with aldosterone and glutathion among other things.My question: Does iodine denature or decrease the effect of hydrochloric acid--natural HCL or supplemental?thanks,Vj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 > so, it's best to get the body to make it's hcl by enhancing digestion of pro, cho ,fat or all, so the body will maintain homeostasis. > most of the time it's too many cho's and not enough pro/fat (or poorly digested) that causes the problem the iodine supplementation appears initially to be fixing before in some cases tissue exhaustion appears. linda rn Trying to cure the problem of insufficient HCl is one of those catch-22 situations. Your body, as I understand it, can't produce sufficient HCl if it is deficient in certain nutrients, incl. minerals & proteins. But you need HCl to make those nutrients digestible in the first place. So something like betain HCl has to be used as a crutch for a temporary period to help your body extract & utilize your food's nutrients. From what I read, it should not take too terribly long for your body to learn how to make its own HCl. A real nutritious, nutrient-dense diet should help. Best of luck to you. Some herbs, esp. chinese herbs, are said to be most beneficial if you don't want to take betaine HCl. If it was me , I'd go to a Dr. of Trad. Chinese Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 How do you do that? On Dec 25, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Keeper wrote: t's best to get the body to make it's hcl by enhancing digestion of pro, cho ,fat or all, so the body will maintain homeostasis. Parashis artpages@... artpagesonline.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 What is pro and cho? On Dec 25, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Mrs. Barley wrote: > so, it's best to get the body to make it's hcl by enhancing digestion of pro, cho ,fat or all, so the body will maintain homeostasis. > most of the time it's too many cho's and not enough pro/fat (or poorly digested) that causes the problem Parashis artpages@... artpagesonline.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 protein, carbohydrate Re: Re: Hydrochloric Acid What is pro and cho?On Dec 25, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Mrs. Barley wrote:> so, it's best to get the body to make it's hcl by enhancingdigestion of pro, cho ,fat or all, so the body will maintain homeostasis.> most of the time it's too many cho's and not enough pro/fat (orpoorly digested) that causes the problem Parashis artpagesearthlink (DOT) netartpagesonline.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 no, it's lack of enzymes that does it. they are the only thing you can put in your body that has the capacity to do work across an incompetent digestion system. as we get older and more grey hair ,the ability becomes less. so for some people if they are missing certain things it may work for a while with supplementation, but sooner or later . it doesn't work . fortunately in our lifetime we have plant enzymes to help. linda rn Re: Hydrochloric Acid > so, it's best to get the body to make it's hcl by enhancingdigestion of pro, cho ,fat or all, so the body will maintain homeostasis.> most of the time it's too many cho's and not enough pro/fat (orpoorly digested) that causes the problem the iodine supplementationappears initially to be fixing before in some cases tissue exhaustionappears. linda rnTrying to cure the problem of insufficient HCl is one of thosecatch-22 situations. Your body, as I understand it, can't producesufficient HCl if it is deficient in certain nutrients, incl. minerals & proteins. But you need HCl to make those nutrients digestible inthe first place.So something like betain HCl has to be used as a crutch for atemporary period to help your body extract & utilize your food'snutrients. From what I read, it should not take too terribly long foryour body to learn how to make its own HCl. A real nutritious,nutrient-dense diet should help. Best of luck to you. Some herbs,esp. chinese herbs, are said to be most beneficial if you don't wantto take betaine HCl. If it was me , I'd go to a Dr. of Trad. ChineseMedicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 > > > so, it's best to get the body to make it's hcl by enhancing > digestion of pro, cho ,fat or all, so the body will maintain > homeostasis. > > most of the time it's too many cho's and not enough pro/fat (or > poorly digested) that causes the problem > > > > Parashis > artpages@... > > artpagesonline.com > Nope, " Mrs. Barley " isn't the author of the above post. I wrote something else. But the basic idea is the same, i.e., to do things that will promote your body's own production of sufficient HCl. - Mrs. B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2008 Report Share Posted December 25, 2008 > > no, it's lack of enzymes that does it. they are the only thing you can put in your body that has the capacity to do work across an incompetent digestion system. as we get older and more grey hair ,the ability becomes less. so for some people if they are missing certain things it may work for a while with supplementation, but sooner or later . it doesn't work . fortunately in our lifetime we have plant enzymes to help. linda rn > Re: Hydrochloric Acid > > > > > so, it's best to get the body to make it's hcl by enhancing > digestion of pro, cho ,fat or all, so the body will maintain homeostasis. > > most of the time it's too many cho's and not enough pro/fat (or > poorly digested) that causes the problem the iodine supplementation > appears initially to be fixing before in some cases tissue exhaustion > appears. linda rn > > Trying to cure the problem of insufficient HCl is one of those > catch-22 situations. Your body, as I understand it, can't produce > sufficient HCl if it is deficient in certain nutrients, incl. minerals > & proteins. But you need HCl to make those nutrients digestible in > the first place. > > So something like betain HCl has to be used as a crutch for a > temporary period to help your body extract & utilize your food's > nutrients. From what I read, it should not take too terribly long for > your body to learn how to make its own HCl. A real nutritious, > nutrient-dense diet should help. Best of luck to you. Some herbs, > esp. chinese herbs, are said to be most beneficial if you don't want > to take betaine HCl. If it was me , I'd go to a Dr. of Trad. Chinese > Medicine. > I see your points, I really do. Nevertheless, I do not see why taking Betaine is somehow any more inherently dangerous or inappropriate than taking supplemental enzymes. That is why I personally would avoid both and take herbs, probably Chinese herbs prescribed according to my own unique condition, by a Dr. of Chinese Medicine (acupuncture doctor who also knows herbs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hydrochloric Acid is not Hypochlorous two totally different compounds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypochlorous_acid --- In , " gtbradford " <gtbradford@...> wrote: > > Can I ask , Is there any reason why one could not take HCI tabs ? (Hydrochloric Acid) http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G7R81K/ref=asc_df_B001G7R81K935691?smid=ATVPDKIKX0D\ ER & tag=googlecom09c9-20 & linkCode=asn & creative=380341 & creativeASIN=B001G7R81K > > Or is the strength of the tabs , just not compareble to MMS2 ? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 He was asking about HCL (hydrochloric acid) as an ACTIVATOR for MMS1. On 10/13/2009 4:42 PM, healinghope wrote: > Hydrochloric Acid is not Hypochlorous two totally different compounds. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acid > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypochlorous_acid > > >> Can I ask , Is there any reason why one could not take HCI tabs ? (Hydrochloric Acid) http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G7R81K/ref=asc_df_B001G7R81K935691?smid=ATVPDKIKX0D\ ER & tag=googlecom09c9-20 & linkCode=asn & creative=380341 & creativeASIN=B001G7R81K >> >> Or is the strength of the tabs , just not compareble to MMS2 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I'm wondering the same thing, is there Hydrochloric Acid in MMS?> Hydrochloric Acid is not Hypochlorous two totally different compounds. > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Hydrochloric_ acid> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Hypochlorous_ acid> > >> Can I ask , Is there any reason why one could not take HCI tabs ? (Hydrochloric Acid) http://www.amazon. com/dp/B001G7R81 K/ref=asc_ df_B001G7R81K935 691?smid= ATVPDKIKX0DER & tag=googlecom09c 9-20 & linkCode= asn & creative= 380341 & creativeA SIN=B001G7R81K >>>> Or is the strength of the tabs , just not compareble to MMS2 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Tans he was asking about hypochloric tabs read the post please. Can I ask , Is there any reason why one could not take HCI tabs ? (Hydrochloric Acid) http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G7R81K/ref=asc_df_B001G7R81K935691?smid=ATVPDKIKX0D\ ER & tag=googlecom09c9-20 & linkCode=asn & creative=380341 & creativeASIN=B001G7R81K > >> > >> Or is the strength of the tabs , just not compareble to MMS2 ? > >> Can I ask , Is there any reason why one could not take HCI tabs ? (Hydrochloric Acid) http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G7R81K/ref=asc_df_B001G7R81K935691?smid=ATVPDKIKX0D\ ER & tag=googlecom09c9-20 & linkCode=asn & creative=380341 & creativeASIN=B001G7R81K > >> > >> Or is the strength of the tabs , just not compareble to MMS2 ? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Oh ! . . Duh . . Sorry bout that one . . . . But I do know our bodys preduce HCI -( Hydrochloric Acid) in our stomic . . . . Does our body also make HCIO - Hydrochlorous Acid ? . . . . I think that is what Jim Humble said in his report on MMS2 From: mfrreman@...Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:42:56 +0000Subject: [ ] Re: Hydrochloric Acid Hydrochloric Acid is not Hypochlorous two totally different compounds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acidhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypochlorous_acid--- In , "gtbradford" <gtbradford@...> wrote:>> Can I ask , Is there any reason why one could not take HCI tabs ? (Hydrochloric Acid) http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G7R81K/ref=asc_df_B001G7R81K935691?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER & tag=googlecom09c9-20 & linkCode=asn & creative=380341 & creativeASIN=B001G7R81K > > Or is the strength of the tabs , just not compareble to MMS2 ?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Yes hypochlorous acid is produced by our immune system and hydrochloric acid is stomach juice. --- In , Gt Bradford <gtbradford@...> wrote: > > > Oh ! . . Duh . . Sorry bout that one . . . . But I do know our bodys preduce HCI -( Hydrochloric Acid) in our stomic . . . . Does our body also make HCIO - Hydrochlorous Acid ? . . . . I think that is what Jim Humble said in his report on MMS2 > > > > > From: mfrreman@... > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:42:56 +0000 > Subject: [ ] Re: Hydrochloric Acid > > > > > > Hydrochloric Acid is not Hypochlorous two totally different compounds. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acid > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypochlorous_acid > > --- In , " gtbradford " <gtbradford@> wrote: > > > > Can I ask , Is there any reason why one could not take HCI tabs ? (Hydrochloric Acid) http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G7R81K/ref=asc_df_B001G7R81K935691?smid=ATVPDKIKX0D\ ER & tag=googlecom09c9-20 & linkCode=asn & creative=380341 & creativeASIN=B001G7R81K > > > > Or is the strength of the tabs , just not compareble to MMS2 ? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Thank you for clearing that up HealingHope . . . . You are awsome ! From: mfrreman@...Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:20:01 +0000Subject: [ ] Re: Hydrochloric Acid Yes hypochlorous acid is produced by our immune system and hydrochloric acid is stomach juice. > >> > Can I ask , Is there any reason why one could not take HCI tabs ? (Hydrochloric Acid) http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G7R81K/ref=asc_df_B001G7R81K935691?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER & tag=googlecom09c9-20 & linkCode=asn & creative=380341 & creativeASIN=B001G7R81K > > > > Or is the strength of the tabs , just not compareble to MMS2 ?> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 You want CALCIUM HYPOCHLORITE not hypochlorous acid, hypochlorous acid is what is produced in the body after water is activated with CALCIUM HYPOCHLORITE. there seems to be confusion with MMS2 Regards Sebastian From: gtbradford <gtbradford@...>Subject: [ ] Hydrochloric Acid Date: Tuesday, 13 October, 2009, 7:43 PM Can I ask , Is there any reason why one could not take HCI tabs ? (Hydrochloric Acid) http://www.amazon. com/dp/B001G7R81 K/ref=asc_ df_B001G7R81K935 691?smid= ATVPDKIKX0DER & tag=googlecom09c 9-20 & linkCode= asn & creative= 380341 & creativeA SIN=B001G7R81K Or is the strength of the tabs , just not compareble to MMS2 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 On 10/13/2009 3:43 PM, gtbradford wrote: > Can I ask , Is there any reason why one could not take HCI tabs ? > (Hydrochloric Acid) > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G7R81K/ref=asc_df_B001G7R81K935691?smid=ATVPDKIKX0D\ ER & tag=googlecom09c9-20 & linkCode=asn & creative=380341 & creativeASIN=B001G7R81K > > Or is the strength of the tabs , just not compareble to MMS2 ? I'm actually working on that now... I sent Jim a question about it, and he didn't say it wouldn't work, although he seemed to think the most common .06% concentration would be too weak. I finally found somewhere I could by a 10% solution (which is almost 200 times stronger): http://secure.sciencecompany.com/Hydrochloric-Acid-10-solution-500ml-P6533.aspx and for less money, so as soon as it comes in, I'll be able to determine the strength to use, and I'll post my results once I have them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 That is correct Sebastian calcium hypochlorite when mixed with water makes hypochlorus acid, so if you will the activator of calcium hypochlorite is water. When purchased and capped it is in the form of calcium hypochlorite or simply pool shock which can be purchased at any pool store or wal mart ect on season. > > > From: gtbradford <gtbradford@...> > Subject: [ ] Hydrochloric Acid > > Date: Tuesday, 13 October, 2009, 7:43 PM > > > � > > > > Can I ask , Is there any reason why one could not take HCI tabs ? (Hydrochloric Acid) http://www.amazon. com/dp/B001G7R81 K/ref=asc_ df_B001G7R81K935 691?smid= ATVPDKIKX0DER & tag=googlecom09c 9-20 & linkCode= asn & creative= 380341 & creativeA SIN=B001G7R81K > > Or is the strength of the tabs , just not compareble to MMS2 ? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Even with the interest in MMS2 I still firmly believe the MMS1 should be taken with the MMS2, the cocktail is a body delight in my humble opinion. Yes pun intended. > > Can I ask , Is there any reason why one could not take HCI tabs ? > > (Hydrochloric Acid) > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G7R81K/ref=asc_df_B001G7R81K935691?smid=ATVPDKIKX0D\ ER & tag=googlecom09c9-20 & linkCode=asn & creative=380341 & creativeASIN=B001G7R81K > > > > Or is the strength of the tabs , just not compareble to MMS2 ? > > I'm actually working on that now... > > I sent Jim a question about it, and he didn't say it wouldn't work, > although he seemed to think the most common .06% concentration would be > too weak. > > I finally found somewhere I could by a 10% solution (which is almost 200 > times stronger): > > http://secure.sciencecompany.com/Hydrochloric-Acid-10-solution-500ml-P6533.aspx > > and for less money, so as soon as it comes in, I'll be able to determine > the strength to use, and I'll post my results once I have them... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 On 10/13/2009 5:02 PM, Don wrote: > I'm wondering the same thing, is there Hydrochloric Acid in MMS? Not in MMS1. MMS2 results in production of hypochlorous acid and some HCL though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 On 10/13/2009 5:04 PM, healinghope wrote: > Tans he was asking about hypochloric tabs read the post please. I did read the post, did ou read the link? He was asking about hyDRochloric acid tabs. The uppercase 'i' that he typed was a typo - the link, which is to betaine HCl (lowercase 'L') resolves the question. > Can I ask , Is there any reason why one could not take HCI tabs ? (Hydrochloric Acid) http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G7R81K/ref=asc_df_B001G7R81K935691?smid=ATVPDKIKX0D\ ER & tag=googlecom09c9-20 & linkCode=asn & creative=380341 & creativeASIN=B001G7R81K >>>> Or is the strength of the tabs , just not compareble to MMS2 ? > > >>>> Can I ask , Is there any reason why one could not take HCI tabs ? (Hydrochloric Acid) http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G7R81K/ref=asc_df_B001G7R81K935691?smid=ATVPDKIKX0D\ ER & tag=googlecom09c9-20 & linkCode=asn & creative=380341 & creativeASIN=B001G7R81K >>>> >>>> Or is the strength of the tabs , just not compareble to MMS2 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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