Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 On 10/13/2009, healinghope (mfrreman@...) wrote: > Tans he was asking about hypochloric tabs read the post please. Oh. He was confusing HCl tabs with HClO... Gotcha. Sorry for the confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 On 10/13/2009 5:24 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: >> Or is the strength of the tabs , just not compareble to MMS2 ? > I'm actually working on that now... Ok, missed the '2' above... What I'm working on is the use of liquid HCl as an activator for MMS1, instead of citric acid (yuck). HCl should have a much longer shelf life, and has benefits of its own... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 If you ask can hyopchlorous acid turn to hydrochloric acid after ingested, and there be need for concern with the stomach lining, my answer is no, reason being there is no sun shine in our gut, at least not mine. This was heavily debated already in finding 1cure group. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypochlorous_acid In the presence of sunlight, hypochlorous acid decomposes into hydrochloric acid and oxygen, so this reaction is sometimes seen as: 2Cl2 + 2H2O \overrightarrow{\leftarrow} 4HCl + O2 HClO is considered to be a stronger oxidant than chlorine. HClO reacts with HCl to form chlorine gas: HClO + HCl â†' H2O + Cl2 > > Can I ask , Is there any reason why one could not take HCI tabs ? > > (Hydrochloric Acid) > > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G7R81K/ref=asc_df_B001G7R81K935691?smid=ATVPDKIKX0D\ ER & tag=googlecom09c9-20 & linkCode=asn & creative=380341 & creativeASIN=B001G7R81K > > > > Or is the strength of the tabs , just not compareble to MMS2 ? > > I'm actually working on that now... > > I sent Jim a question about it, and he didn't say it wouldn't work, > although he seemed to think the most common .06% concentration would be > too weak. > > I finally found somewhere I could by a 10% solution (which is almost 200 > times stronger): > > http://secure.sciencecompany.com/Hydrochloric-Acid-10-solution-500ml-P6533.aspx > > and for less money, so as soon as it comes in, I'll be able to determine > the strength to use, and I'll post my results once I have them... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Just thought I would let you know I have been using MMS2 liquid to activate MMS1. Calcium hypochlorate breaks down to not only hyochlorous acid but also hydrochloric acid. Seems to work as well or better than citric or ACV. LarryC > > I'm wondering the same thing, is there Hydrochloric Acid in MMS? > > Not in MMS1. > > MMS2 results in production of hypochlorous acid and some HCL though. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 On 10/13/2009 5:57 PM, LarryC wrote: > > Just thought I would let you know I have been using MMS2 liquid to > activate MMS1. Calcium hypochlorate breaks down to not only > hyochlorous acid but also hydrochloric acid. Seems to work as well or > better than citric or ACV. Thanks Larry. Interesting indeed. Hmmm... after reading healinghope's post about how HOCl reacts in sunlight, I started digging to see where I read about it (Calcium Hypochlorite) breaking down into HOCl and HCl, but now I can't find it anywhere... But I did find this site: http://water.me.vccs.edu/courses/env110/lesson7_2b.htm that says nothing about HCl, but that it breaks down into HOCl and Calcium Hydroxide: Calcium hypochlorite + Water --> Hypochlorous Acid + Calcium Hydroxide Ca(OCl)2 + 2 H2O 2 --> HOCl + Ca(OH)2 So, now I'm wondering if I am remembering this wrong (chemistry never was my strong suit). Do you have a reference for Calcium hypochlorite (+water) breaking down into HOCl and HCl? Thanks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 On 10/13/2009, Tanstaafl (tanstaafl@...) wrote: > Ca(OCl)2 + 2 H2O 2 --> HOCl + Ca(OH)2 sorry, that should have been Ca(OCl)2 + 2 H2O --> 2 HOCl + Ca(OH)2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I have some hydrochloric acid here that is 50%, and if you like I can try some experimentation in mixing if there’s something you want to know. I have to say it’s *extremely* nasty stuff at that concentration though (rubber gloves, ventilation and a death wish) – and I wouldn’t recommend anyone even keeps it in their home, let alone consider ingesting it(! | !) Mixing strong acids and water is serious business, and altogether different than mixing weak food acids like we do. If for some reason you had a mind for playing with this, please be aware that adding water to acid, and acid to water, can get some very different results. I can’t emphasise enough how nasty this stuff is (even though our body somehow found the need and means to contain this it). Let me know what you want to try, and if I feel it’s not too life threatening to take one for the team then I’ll do the experiments and report back. >I finally found somewhere I could by a 10% solution (which is almost 200 >times stronger): __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4504 (20091013) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 On 10/13/2009 9:24 PM, Bond wrote: > I have some hydrochloric acid here that is 50%, and if you like I can > try some experimentation in mixing if there’s something you want to > know. Wow... I'd say nasty might be an understatement. I did find the 36% online, but there were all kinds of warnings and hazmat shipping restrictions (ground only, no residential delivery, etc), so I just ordered the 10%. Since the 1:500 (which is only .06%) that I initially found is what Jim said would probably be too weak, I figured the 10% would be way overkill - but since you can only dilute (you can't get from a 1% to a 2%), you have to start with something stronger than you need. I hesitate to suggest that you experiment, but if you are so inclined: All I'm trying to do is to find the equivalent activating strength of HCl as the 50% citric acid provides, so I can use it at a 1 to 1 ratio with MMS1. > If for some reason you had a mind for playing with this, please be > aware that adding water to acid, and acid to water, can get some very > different results. Thank you, thank you, thank you for reminding me about this! I do recall someone saying something about this somewhere, but had forgotten... So, which is it? When I get my 10%, and I want to dilute it, do I slowly add the acid to the water (thats my guess) - or do I slowly add the water to the acid? A quick google found this, and it looks like I was right (whew): http://tiny.pl/hqkdf > I can’t emphasise enough how nasty this stuff is (even though our body > somehow found the need and means to contain this it). Let me know what > you want to try, and if I feel it’s not too life threatening to take one > for the team then I’ll do the experiments and report back. Well, I've already ordered the 10%, and it shouldn't be quite as nasty as the 50%, so I'm ok with doing this myself, unless there is more to it than it seems now? As long as I'm very careful, do you think I need to worry about gloves or ventilation while diluting starting with a 10% solution? One last question - I'm assuming that with this 10% solution, the other 90% is simply purified water? No 'stabilizers' or other crap that might be toxic even in small amounts? Thanks , it is appreciated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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