Guest guest Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 On 11/14/2009, KGR (kgrdoss@...) wrote: > Some one in this group was discussing about trying diluted > Hydrochloric acid as activator. That'd be me... > In my opinion, if one must change from Citric acid, other than lime > or vinegar, a better choice will be Phosphoric acid. It is weak acid > similar to Citric Acid. It is available in food grade. It is being > extensively used in most bottled drinks like Coca Cola etc for > getting sour taste. It is edible. Just similar to Citric Acid one can > make a 10% solution and use like citric acid based activator. It works > and releases Chlorine Dioxide. It is being a buffer, a little excess > of it will not be a problem, similar to citric acid. Interesting idea... but you can say all of the same things about HCL, as long as you are talking about a properly diluted solution. In fact, HCL is a highly valuable supplement in its own right for most people, since most people are deficient - some *very* deficient. Of course, the amount used for activating MMS1 wouldn't be enough to qualify as 'supplemental', you'd need a lot more to reach therapeutic levels. But what I like about it is the fact that it is a natural part of your digestive system, unlike citric acid - and especially phosporic acid. Also, isn't it the phosporic acid that is responsible for eating away the nail in the examples used to show how bad coke is to drink? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 You are right, Any acid is bad in the concentrations used by the drinks like Coke & others. The amounts used by our MMS system is so tiny that it can not do any damage. Moreover we do take daily phosphates from our regular food as our nutrient, esp for bones.What I meant was you can have a better control over release of ClO2 gas by Weak acids than strong acids like HCl. As you may recollect, according to Jim Humble, Citric based activator is so chosen that it releases ClO2 in a very slow manner for about 12 hours. Where as HCl is likely to release it with in a couple of minutes and might deliver ClO2 in high dosage and act only for a short time. This is my apprehension which needs to be verified with actual trials. Thanks for your response. KGR > > Some one in this group was discussing about trying diluted > > Hydrochloric acid as activator. > > That'd be me... > > > In my opinion, if one must change from Citric acid, other than lime > > or vinegar, a better choice will be Phosphoric acid. It is weak acid > > similar to Citric Acid. It is available in food grade. It is being > > extensively used in most bottled drinks like Coca Cola etc for > > getting sour taste. It is edible. Just similar to Citric Acid one can > > make a 10% solution and use like citric acid based activator. It works > > and releases Chlorine Dioxide. It is being a buffer, a little excess > > of it will not be a problem, similar to citric acid. > > Interesting idea... but you can say all of the same things about HCL, as > long as you are talking about a properly diluted solution. > > In fact, HCL is a highly valuable supplement in its own right for most > people, since most people are deficient - some *very* deficient. > > Of course, the amount used for activating MMS1 wouldn't be enough to > qualify as 'supplemental', you'd need a lot more to reach therapeutic > levels. But what I like about it is the fact that it is a natural part > of your digestive system, unlike citric acid - and especially phosporic > acid. > > Also, isn't it the phosporic acid that is responsible for eating away > the nail in the examples used to show how bad coke is to drink? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Hi All, Do you think the acidic grapefruit seed extract might be a good candidate to activate MMS1? I saw a Youtube video showing a guy making a toothpaste (baking soda) and then adding a drop of grapefruit seed extract. Somehow the grapefruit seed extract activates the baking soda. Any more light that can be shed on this process? from Israel > > What I meant was you can have a better control over release of ClO2 > > gas by Weak acids than strong acids like HCl. > > My point was, once HCL is diluted, it is no longer a 'strong acid'. > > > As you may recollect, according to Jim Humble, Citric based activator > > is so chosen that it releases ClO2 in a very slow manner for about 12 > > hours. > > Actually, he has revised this claim, which is why the new protocol is to > take much smaller doses an hour or two apart - because the CLO2 is NOT > released over 12 hours, it is used up much more quickly, like 1 or 2 hours. > > There are numerous discussion about the relatively unscientific basis > for many of Jims claims. He appears to operate more on simple > observation than rigorous scientific testing. Not that I'm knocking > observation - I think that most modern scientists who flat out dismiss > anecdotal evidence are missing the boat. But, when dealing with things > like MMS, I would prefer that a more scientific approach be used to > determine certaing things - like, for example, how much CLO2 gas is > generated and for how long, when using different activators at different > strengths. > > I don't have the knowledge/background (or time) to perform such tests > myself, so I can't really complain that others haven't done so either... > > > Where as HCl is likely to release it with in a couple of minutes and > > might deliver ClO2 in high dosage and act only for a short time. > > What is your basis for this comment? This may be true if you used 50% > solution, but what makes you think a properly diluted solution would do > this? > > > This is my apprehension which needs to be verified with actual > > trials. > > Ah... ok, fair enough, I think the question is valid - see my above for > a desire to see more scientific basis for these questions - we are in > agreement on the need for more rigorous testing, but you seem to be > dismissing HCL based on mere 'feeling', and promoting the use of > phosphoric acid on the same basis... > > > Thanks for your response. > > Thanks for not taking my responses as personal attacks, as they > certainly are not intended as such... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 The main purpose of activation is to make Sodium Chlorite slightly acidic (PH 5-6) to enable the release of Chlorine dioxide.Any acid can release it. I fail to understand why one should acidify grapefruit seed extract and then use it for activation. You can directly activate Sodium Chlorite thro the acid itself. So the practical way of doing is to see which acids or acidic products(like lime juice) are relatively readily available in purest grade(may be food grade) and are edible,non dangerous and easy to handle by any layman. In tooth paste, Baking soda is only is meant to give a mild alkalinity for better cleaning function, Grapefruit seed extract appears to be the active ingredient for disinfecting. > > Hi All, Do you think the acidic grapefruit seed extract might be a > > good candidate to activate MMS1? I saw a Youtube video showing a guy > > making a toothpaste (baking soda) and then adding a drop of > > grapefruit seed extract. Somehow the grapefruit seed extract > > activates the baking soda. Any more light that can be shed on this > > process? > > Another interesting question... but again, one which requires a more > technical background in chemistry. > > Is there a chemist in the house? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Tanstaffl, you read it right. I checked the acidity of grapefruit seed extract: it has pH=5.5, which is acidic. It is roughly equivalent in acidity to 10% citric acid, according to the pH strips I have. However, I'm not 100% sure of the acidity because the pH indicated is at the end of the strip range (5.5), so both substances could be even more acidic than indicated. Assuming the acidity of the citric acid or the grapefruit seed extract is about 5.5, then this is the lowest pH that could be expected when combined with the sodium chlorite, pH >13. > > I fail to understand why one should acidify grapefruit seed extract > > and then use it for activation. > > I read his question as to assume that GSE was already acidic, not that > he was suggesting to 'acidify it'... maybe I read it wrong, but it still > looks like that is what he was thinking. > > Nor did/do I know if GSE is acidic in and of itself... if it isn't, then > obviously it is not an option as an activator. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 > I still like my idea of using liquid HCL. Once I'm ready to do my next > cleanse is probably when I'll actually take the time to sit down and > determine the appropriate concentration... It is great to see that you are trying to do some independent innovative thinking,one of such idea being considering HCL as activator. Great.I am sure you will soon succeed with it to replace citric acid. Here is a shop floor method to find right dosage for Hydrochloric acid as activator. Get a bottle of pure Laboratory grade Hydrochloric acid which is 33% (It will be fuming,).Dilute it with twice the amount of distilled water. Then the concentration will be about 10% HCl. This will be your activator. Take about 15 drops of MMS1, dilute it with, say, 2 ounces of distilled water. Add, dropwice, your prepared activator (10% HCl) with thorough mixing,checking pH with every drop added. At some stage, when addition of just one drop, pH will jump from say, from 9 to about 3 or less, then stop and note down the no of drops of Activator added. This will give roughly the quantity of activator required for 15 drops of MMS1. Of course this is crude shopfloor method. If you have laboratory facility, you can do it very much more systematically. Of course,I always prefer to do all experiments in the chemical lab, I have in my chemical factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Using a diluted solution of HCL or citric acid is better than grapefruit seed extract because you can get fewer drops to activate the sodium chlorite--an important consideration when putting the mixture in capsules. Do you know if HCl is something you can purchase in a pharmacy or other store? from Israel > > Tanstaffl, you read it right. I checked the acidity of grapefruit > > seed extract: it has pH=5.5, which is acidic. > > I imagine this would vary between brands, maybe even batches of GSE too, > so thats another factor to consider. > > I still like my idea of using liquid HCL. Once I'm ready to do my next > cleanse is probably when I'll actually take the time to sit down and > determine the appropriate concentration... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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