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By the way, my name is Amy. I noticed it wasn't posted under my

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--- In Plagiocephaly , " Ski Chick " <skisum88@y...>

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> Hi everyone,

> After doing some research (like everyone else) I came to your

group

> and have been doing some reading about everyone's experience.

What

> a close knit group! I am a new mommy of Jaden who is 4 months

old.

> At his 4 mo. check up and shots/wellness exam the Dr didn't

diagnose

> him w/ plagio, however because I basically walked out of his

office

> crying because of his positional plagio, he gave me a business

card

> of a craniofacial surgeon in our area. I'm located in

Northeastern

> MN. But, the pede is " old school " and was hesitant to even bring

it

> up, saying that I needed to do more tummy time w/ Jaden (he hates

> tummy time, and if we DO do it, he doesn't last very long), and

also

> that because he will be sitting up in a couple months and be more

> active that his head should round out on it's own. That's not

good

> enough for me right now and I want another opinion. PLUS, I found

a

> lump the other day on the right side of his neck, and I'm thinking

a

> mild case of tort, altho he turns his head like an owl at times

but

> just simply prefers to look right all the time unless distracted.

> The pede missed feeling this lump.

> What I am looking for is some advice on where to begin, what

> questions I should be asking, etc. I am bringing back Jaden to

the

> pede for another exam to get a referral to this craniofacial

surgeon

> who specializes in headgear to correct the plagio, and to get him

to

> write a script for the headgear (which he said he would do because

I

> was so upset about this) should we go this route.

> Can anyone give me any pointers? My mother and some friends say

to

> not even pursue this, that " it'll round out on it's own " . The

> mother-in-law says opposite, and that's to look into the

headgear.

> Our insurance might even cover the cost once I get the procedure

and

> diagnosis code from the Dr. But insurance isn't even an issue at

> the moment. I have to follow my mommy instinct, and because Jaden

> has yet to roll over, let alone crawl, and won't allow me to try

> repositioning, his head will only get worse. The front of his

face

> and cheeks and chin is fine, but the right side of the back of his

> head is flat w/ the right ear moved more forward than the left.

>

> Any input and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so very

> much for taking the time to read this.

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Hi Amy,

Welcome to the group!!

You are right to follow your mommy insticts.

I think it is great that you ped, even if reluctant, is willing to

write and RX to a cranio facial surgeon. The sooner the better and

@4 months, your son is at an awesome age for correction! At his age,

repo is very possible, but if he isn't " obeying " as he should, to

accomplish this 24/7 task, then banding is probably the way to go

for him. Once you go to the Craniofacial surgeon they will probably

perform and x-ray or catscan to rule out Cranio. Once that is ruled

out, they will (hopefully) write a prescription for a band. Do you

happen to live near the Mayo Clinic? We had a baby graduate from

there with flying colors! I am sure others will chime in soon with

ideas and suggestions.

Please let us keep us updated.

, mom to Makenna LLUMC helmet grad.

> > Hi everyone,

> > After doing some research (like everyone else) I came to your

> group

> > and have been doing some reading about everyone's experience.

> What

> > a close knit group! I am a new mommy of Jaden who is 4 months

> old.

> > At his 4 mo. check up and shots/wellness exam the Dr didn't

> diagnose

> > him w/ plagio, however because I basically walked out of his

> office

> > crying because of his positional plagio, he gave me a business

> card

> > of a craniofacial surgeon in our area. I'm located in

> Northeastern

> > MN. But, the pede is " old school " and was hesitant to even

bring

> it

> > up, saying that I needed to do more tummy time w/ Jaden (he

hates

> > tummy time, and if we DO do it, he doesn't last very long), and

> also

> > that because he will be sitting up in a couple months and be

more

> > active that his head should round out on it's own. That's not

> good

> > enough for me right now and I want another opinion. PLUS, I

found

> a

> > lump the other day on the right side of his neck, and I'm

thinking

> a

> > mild case of tort, altho he turns his head like an owl at times

> but

> > just simply prefers to look right all the time unless

distracted.

> > The pede missed feeling this lump.

> > What I am looking for is some advice on where to begin, what

> > questions I should be asking, etc. I am bringing back Jaden to

> the

> > pede for another exam to get a referral to this craniofacial

> surgeon

> > who specializes in headgear to correct the plagio, and to get

him

> to

> > write a script for the headgear (which he said he would do

because

> I

> > was so upset about this) should we go this route.

> > Can anyone give me any pointers? My mother and some friends say

> to

> > not even pursue this, that " it'll round out on it's own " . The

> > mother-in-law says opposite, and that's to look into the

> headgear.

> > Our insurance might even cover the cost once I get the procedure

> and

> > diagnosis code from the Dr. But insurance isn't even an issue

at

> > the moment. I have to follow my mommy instinct, and because

Jaden

> > has yet to roll over, let alone crawl, and won't allow me to try

> > repositioning, his head will only get worse. The front of his

> face

> > and cheeks and chin is fine, but the right side of the back of

his

> > head is flat w/ the right ear moved more forward than the left.

> >

> > Any input and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so

very

> > much for taking the time to read this.

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Hello there

My name is Sandy and my 91/2month old daughter Willow also has

torticollis which at this point we believe is resolved. You can

find tons of info on the net and there is a great tort group on

as well. As far as tummytime goes I do need to tell you that

it is the key to everything else specially with tort kids. What you

can do to help is roll a towel underneath his little trunk to help

him out and not try to get in minutes at a time, but rather seconds

sometimes. What I found helped with my little one was to leave her

on her tummy for 30secs here and rest then another 45secs there and

so I gradually upped the time. This way they actually have success

on their tummies and not get frustrated so you will see soon he will

tolerate it much better. Willow can sometimes be on her tummy upto

an hr now. Def go back to your ped though so that lump can be

checked out and a diagnoses made. You might have much more luck

getting a band/helmet covered under tort. Also I would go to have

the headgear (like that word) checked out for Jaden incase he will

need it, but also try to repo and tummytime. That way you have all

your doors open and come time you can chose the path that is right

for you and your child. Listen to your instincts and not what

others around you think of his head. Good luck and keep us posted.

Sandy WIllow's Mom tort-resolved / CranioGermany Grad

--- In Plagiocephaly , " Ski Chick " <skisum88@y...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone,

> After doing some research (like everyone else) I came to your

group

> and have been doing some reading about everyone's experience.

What

> a close knit group! I am a new mommy of Jaden who is 4 months

old.

> At his 4 mo. check up and shots/wellness exam the Dr didn't

diagnose

> him w/ plagio, however because I basically walked out of his

office

> crying because of his positional plagio, he gave me a business

card

> of a craniofacial surgeon in our area. I'm located in

Northeastern

> MN. But, the pede is " old school " and was hesitant to even bring

it

> up, saying that I needed to do more tummy time w/ Jaden (he hates

> tummy time, and if we DO do it, he doesn't last very long), and

also

> that because he will be sitting up in a couple months and be more

> active that his head should round out on it's own. That's not

good

> enough for me right now and I want another opinion. PLUS, I found

a

> lump the other day on the right side of his neck, and I'm thinking

a

> mild case of tort, altho he turns his head like an owl at times

but

> just simply prefers to look right all the time unless distracted.

> The pede missed feeling this lump.

> What I am looking for is some advice on where to begin, what

> questions I should be asking, etc. I am bringing back Jaden to

the

> pede for another exam to get a referral to this craniofacial

surgeon

> who specializes in headgear to correct the plagio, and to get him

to

> write a script for the headgear (which he said he would do because

I

> was so upset about this) should we go this route.

> Can anyone give me any pointers? My mother and some friends say

to

> not even pursue this, that " it'll round out on it's own " . The

> mother-in-law says opposite, and that's to look into the

headgear.

> Our insurance might even cover the cost once I get the procedure

and

> diagnosis code from the Dr. But insurance isn't even an issue at

> the moment. I have to follow my mommy instinct, and because Jaden

> has yet to roll over, let alone crawl, and won't allow me to try

> repositioning, his head will only get worse. The front of his

face

> and cheeks and chin is fine, but the right side of the back of his

> head is flat w/ the right ear moved more forward than the left.

>

> Any input and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so very

> much for taking the time to read this.

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Hi Amy,

Most of what I see in our database is in the Twin Cities. If you

live in the NE part of MN then I would guess you are pretty far from

there. Check out www.gillettechildrens.org and see if they have a

location close to you for helmet treatment, they have several

locations.

In the meantime, if you feel that Jaden has torticollis then you need

to call your ped and tell them that Jaden needs physical therapy. It

is very important to treat his neck issues as young as possible.

They should not hassle you about referring out for that. Do you live

near a children's hospital? That is usually the best place to go for

pediatric physical therapy. If you do live near one you might also

want to see if they have a Orthotics & Prosthetics department that

might offer helmet/band treatment. Best of luck and keep us posted,.

Natasha

--- In Plagiocephaly , " Ski Chick " <skisum88@y...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone,

> After doing some research (like everyone else) I came to your group

> and have been doing some reading about everyone's experience. What

> a close knit group! I am a new mommy of Jaden who is 4 months

old.

> At his 4 mo. check up and shots/wellness exam the Dr didn't

diagnose

> him w/ plagio, however because I basically walked out of his office

> crying because of his positional plagio, he gave me a business card

> of a craniofacial surgeon in our area. I'm located in Northeastern

> MN. But, the pede is " old school " and was hesitant to even bring

it

> up, saying that I needed to do more tummy time w/ Jaden (he hates

> tummy time, and if we DO do it, he doesn't last very long), and

also

> that because he will be sitting up in a couple months and be more

> active that his head should round out on it's own. That's not good

> enough for me right now and I want another opinion. PLUS, I found

a

> lump the other day on the right side of his neck, and I'm thinking

a

> mild case of tort, altho he turns his head like an owl at times but

> just simply prefers to look right all the time unless distracted.

> The pede missed feeling this lump.

> What I am looking for is some advice on where to begin, what

> questions I should be asking, etc. I am bringing back Jaden to the

> pede for another exam to get a referral to this craniofacial

surgeon

> who specializes in headgear to correct the plagio, and to get him

to

> write a script for the headgear (which he said he would do because

I

> was so upset about this) should we go this route.

> Can anyone give me any pointers? My mother and some friends say to

> not even pursue this, that " it'll round out on it's own " . The

> mother-in-law says opposite, and that's to look into the headgear.

> Our insurance might even cover the cost once I get the procedure

and

> diagnosis code from the Dr. But insurance isn't even an issue at

> the moment. I have to follow my mommy instinct, and because Jaden

> has yet to roll over, let alone crawl, and won't allow me to try

> repositioning, his head will only get worse. The front of his face

> and cheeks and chin is fine, but the right side of the back of his

> head is flat w/ the right ear moved more forward than the left.

>

> Any input and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so very

> much for taking the time to read this.

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Thank you everyone for your advice and input. Yes, I am looking

into Gillette Children's Healthcare, the Dr. comes up North once a

week.

I took Jaden back to the pede today for a referral to the

craniofacial surgeon, and he also checked out the lump on the right

side of his neck but seemed to think everything is fine and that

it's not tort. He also seemed to think Jaden's movement to the left

is better than when he saw him on the 5th, as I have been doing

excercises w/ him to help improve his neck muscles. I basically

have him look into the mirror and distract him to look left all the

time. I refuse to physically move his head till it touches his left

shoulder, as when the pede did this is the office (showing me the

excersie I should be doing on Jaden)my poor boy screamed his head

off and therefore making me cry and cringe at what I thought was an

outrageous and harmfull excersize. So I decided that I will get

Jaden to look left on his own and it's worked out just fine. No

need for me to physically make him do it and cause him any further

discomfort like the pede did to him on the 5th. But I still

question the small lump in his neck. He said it's not a lymph node,

but yet didn't have an answer as to what it was. SO w/ this

referral I am hoping to get some answers and will be calling to make

an appt for Jaden to see this specialist. The pede today still

expressed that his head should still round out on it's own, and

still said to do more tummy time, etc...

I am going to go check out the links here to find out what degree I

think Jaden has plagio and I will post back.

Thanks everyone for your support and advice and help. I certainly

appreciate it. I will keep posting. This is a great group and you

all are so very nice.

~Amy, mommy of Jaden 4 mo's, undiagnosed plagio....

--- In Plagiocephaly , " Ski Chick " <skisum88@y...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone,

> After doing some research (like everyone else) I came to your

group

> and have been doing some reading about everyone's experience.

What

> a close knit group! I am a new mommy of Jaden who is 4 months

old.

> At his 4 mo. check up and shots/wellness exam the Dr didn't

diagnose

> him w/ plagio, however because I basically walked out of his

office

> crying because of his positional plagio, he gave me a business

card

> of a craniofacial surgeon in our area. I'm located in

Northeastern

> MN. But, the pede is " old school " and was hesitant to even bring

it

> up, saying that I needed to do more tummy time w/ Jaden (he hates

> tummy time, and if we DO do it, he doesn't last very long), and

also

> that because he will be sitting up in a couple months and be more

> active that his head should round out on it's own. That's not

good

> enough for me right now and I want another opinion. PLUS, I found

a

> lump the other day on the right side of his neck, and I'm thinking

a

> mild case of tort, altho he turns his head like an owl at times

but

> just simply prefers to look right all the time unless distracted.

> The pede missed feeling this lump.

> What I am looking for is some advice on where to begin, what

> questions I should be asking, etc. I am bringing back Jaden to

the

> pede for another exam to get a referral to this craniofacial

surgeon

> who specializes in headgear to correct the plagio, and to get him

to

> write a script for the headgear (which he said he would do because

I

> was so upset about this) should we go this route.

> Can anyone give me any pointers? My mother and some friends say

to

> not even pursue this, that " it'll round out on it's own " . The

> mother-in-law says opposite, and that's to look into the

headgear.

> Our insurance might even cover the cost once I get the procedure

and

> diagnosis code from the Dr. But insurance isn't even an issue at

> the moment. I have to follow my mommy instinct, and because Jaden

> has yet to roll over, let alone crawl, and won't allow me to try

> repositioning, his head will only get worse. The front of his

face

> and cheeks and chin is fine, but the right side of the back of his

> head is flat w/ the right ear moved more forward than the left.

>

> Any input and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so very

> much for taking the time to read this.

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--- In Plagiocephaly , " Ski Chick " <skisum88@y...>

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> Hi everyone,

> After doing some research (like everyone else) I came to your group

> and have been doing some reading about everyone's experience. What

> a close knit group! I am a new mommy of Jaden who is 4 months

old.

> At his 4 mo. check up and shots/wellness exam the Dr didn't

diagnose

> him w/ plagio, however because I basically walked out of his office

> crying because of his positional plagio, he gave me a business card

> of a craniofacial surgeon in our area. I'm located in Northeastern

> MN. But, the pede is " old school " and was hesitant to even bring

it

> up, saying that I needed to do more tummy time w/ Jaden (he hates

> tummy time, and if we DO do it, he doesn't last very long), and

also

> that because he will be sitting up in a couple months and be more

> active that his head should round out on it's own. That's not good

> enough for me right now and I want another opinion. PLUS, I found

a

> lump the other day on the right side of his neck, and I'm thinking

a

> mild case of tort, altho he turns his head like an owl at times but

> just simply prefers to look right all the time unless distracted.

> The pede missed feeling this lump.

> What I am looking for is some advice on where to begin, what

> questions I should be asking, etc. I am bringing back Jaden to the

> pede for another exam to get a referral to this craniofacial

surgeon

> who specializes in headgear to correct the plagio, and to get him

to

> write a script for the headgear (which he said he would do because

I

> was so upset about this) should we go this route.

> Can anyone give me any pointers? My mother and some friends say to

> not even pursue this, that " it'll round out on it's own " . The

> mother-in-law says opposite, and that's to look into the headgear.

> Our insurance might even cover the cost once I get the procedure

and

> diagnosis code from the Dr. But insurance isn't even an issue at

> the moment. I have to follow my mommy instinct, and because Jaden

> has yet to roll over, let alone crawl, and won't allow me to try

> repositioning, his head will only get worse. The front of his face

> and cheeks and chin is fine, but the right side of the back of his

> head is flat w/ the right ear moved more forward than the left.

>

> Any input and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so very

> much for taking the time to read this.

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Hi,

Welcome to the group! I see you've received many great replies so I

won't repeat any of them. I just wanted to say hi and to tell you

were happy to have you with us.

--- In Plagiocephaly , " Ski Chick " <skisum88@y...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone,

> After doing some research (like everyone else) I came to your group

> and have been doing some reading about everyone's experience. What

> a close knit group! I am a new mommy of Jaden who is 4 months

old.

> At his 4 mo. check up and shots/wellness exam the Dr didn't

diagnose

> him w/ plagio, however because I basically walked out of his office

> crying because of his positional plagio, he gave me a business card

> of a craniofacial surgeon in our area. I'm located in Northeastern

> MN. But, the pede is " old school " and was hesitant to even bring

it

> up, saying that I needed to do more tummy time w/ Jaden (he hates

> tummy time, and if we DO do it, he doesn't last very long), and

also

> that because he will be sitting up in a couple months and be more

> active that his head should round out on it's own. That's not good

> enough for me right now and I want another opinion. PLUS, I found

a

> lump the other day on the right side of his neck, and I'm thinking

a

> mild case of tort, altho he turns his head like an owl at times but

> just simply prefers to look right all the time unless distracted.

> The pede missed feeling this lump.

> What I am looking for is some advice on where to begin, what

> questions I should be asking, etc. I am bringing back Jaden to the

> pede for another exam to get a referral to this craniofacial

surgeon

> who specializes in headgear to correct the plagio, and to get him

to

> write a script for the headgear (which he said he would do because

I

> was so upset about this) should we go this route.

> Can anyone give me any pointers? My mother and some friends say to

> not even pursue this, that " it'll round out on it's own " . The

> mother-in-law says opposite, and that's to look into the headgear.

> Our insurance might even cover the cost once I get the procedure

and

> diagnosis code from the Dr. But insurance isn't even an issue at

> the moment. I have to follow my mommy instinct, and because Jaden

> has yet to roll over, let alone crawl, and won't allow me to try

> repositioning, his head will only get worse. The front of his face

> and cheeks and chin is fine, but the right side of the back of his

> head is flat w/ the right ear moved more forward than the left.

>

> Any input and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so very

> much for taking the time to read this.

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mostly big giant congrats on quitting smoking

do not let this make you feel less victorious

that is such an important accomplishment!!!!

seriously -- i give congrats on this list all the time but this one

is 500000000 times bigger

(suggestion on the weight? your body is going through changes. maybe

part of what you need to do is be patient and just see how it all

plays out)

felicity

> Hi all - first time post from a lurker but I have been following BFL

> for over 1 year. I had just a little weight to lose but lots of body

> fat (think skinny-fat). Anyway, I've been plugging along and was

> doing very well, meeting my goals, feeling great. So 29 days ago I

> gave up my 1/2 pack a day smoking habit and therein lies the problem.

> I realized that there would be some changes to my body and I was

> fully aware of the problem with replacing cigarettes with food. So, I

> upped my cardio a little to compensate for the fact that I was

> munching on a lot of carrots the first couple of days and was diligent

> in keeping my eating clean. I thought I was doing really well but

> after the first week, I noticed my jeans were getting tighter and they

> have continued to get tighter. My muffin tops are back, the 3 roll

> tummy and back fat, as my bras are too tight. I decided to take my

> measurements and weigh myself and to my dismay all of my measurements

> were up and my weight was up almost 10 pounds.

>

> I guess I thought by now my body would have gotten used to not having

> nicotine and I could get on with my fat loss. Now, I'm about where I

> started over 1 year ago. Don't get me wrong, I feel better, breathe

> better, smell better but geez, I don't look better.

>

> I am almost 46, 5'6 " and 135 (was 125), and wear a Junior size 5. I

> started out at 142 and about 30% BF and was at 125 with 20% BF; my

> goal is 15%. I carry my weight in my stomach and thighs. I have

> calipers and am getting a reading of about 24% now. I was getting

> good muscle definition but now that is all covered again in a layer of

> fat. Any suggestions as to what I may change. I do change my weight

> routines every 4 weeks, take 1 week off every 8 weeks. My TDEE is

> 1,800 and I keep my calories at 1400-1600 with a 40/40/20. I am

> carb-sensitive so restrict my starchy carbs for my first 3 meals. I

> take 2 cheat meals a week.

>

> Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thanks - Tina

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Wow, you must be eating a helluva lot of carrots!

Seriously, I don't see how you could possibly gain 10 pounds of fat in a

month if you're truly eating 1400-1600 calories a day--sounds like a

violation of the laws of physics. But I know absolutely nothing about

smoking or quitting smoking--perhaps it messes with your water retention

or your hormone levels?

Hope someone else has an answer for you. In the meantime, major

congratulations for quitting the smoking. Don't even *think* about

starting again; give yourself lots of time to figure out other solutions

for the weight gain.

Naomi

******

> Hi all - first time post from a lurker but I have been following BFL

> for over 1 year. I had just a little weight to lose but lots of body

> fat (think skinny-fat). Anyway, I've been plugging along and was

> doing very well, meeting my goals, feeling great. So 29 days ago I

> gave up my 1/2 pack a day smoking habit and therein lies the problem.

> I realized that there would be some changes to my body and I was

> fully aware of the problem with replacing cigarettes with food. So, I

> upped my cardio a little to compensate for the fact that I was

> munching on a lot of carrots the first couple of days and was diligent

> in keeping my eating clean. I thought I was doing really well but

> after the first week, I noticed my jeans were getting tighter and they

> have continued to get tighter. My muffin tops are back, the 3 roll

> tummy and back fat, as my bras are too tight. I decided to take my

> measurements and weigh myself and to my dismay all of my measurements

> were up and my weight was up almost 10 pounds.

>

> I guess I thought by now my body would have gotten used to not having

> nicotine and I could get on with my fat loss. Now, I'm about where I

> started over 1 year ago. Don't get me wrong, I feel better, breathe

> better, smell better but geez, I don't look better.

>

> I am almost 46, 5'6 " and 135 (was 125), and wear a Junior size 5. I

> started out at 142 and about 30% BF and was at 125 with 20% BF; my

> goal is 15%. I carry my weight in my stomach and thighs. I have

> calipers and am getting a reading of about 24% now. I was getting

> good muscle definition but now that is all covered again in a layer of

> fat. Any suggestions as to what I may change. I do change my weight

> routines every 4 weeks, take 1 week off every 8 weeks. My TDEE is

> 1,800 and I keep my calories at 1400-1600 with a 40/40/20. I am

> carb-sensitive so restrict my starchy carbs for my first 3 meals. I

> take 2 cheat meals a week.

>

> Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thanks - Tina

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

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They say that smoking increases your metabolism by less than one

percent. While this is a change, it is not thought to be enough to

account for the weight gain that people go through when they quit

smoking. So, lets look at it.

You are saying you gained 10# in a month, and increased from

125#/20%BF to 135#/24%BF

That would mean your lean mass changed from 100# to 101.25# and your

fat mass changed from 25# to 33.5#, an increase of 1.25# lean mass and

8.5# fat. You say you are eating 1400-1600 calories a day and working

out the BFL way with a little increased cardio. To gain 8.5 pounds of

fat you would have to be injesting 29,750 calories above what you

burn...in one month that would be nearly an extra 1000 calories PER

DAY. Not over the 1400-1600 that you are eating, but over what you

actually burn.

Do you measure/weigh your food, or are you doing palm fist? My first

guess, and you are not going to like it, is that your portion sizes

have increased without you really noticing. You are tasing food

differently than you did when you were smoking, food should just flat

tasted better to you than it did. I have read that studies show when

we quit smoking we eat larger portions because food is suddenly so

much more enjoyable. I know that you are taking pains to not do that,

but just think about it and make sure this is not the cuprit. Free

day would be a good place to look for extreem over indulgence, since

we are not really watching that.

Why don't you post a typical menue, just so we eliminate any issues

with that. At the very least it is time to shake things up and perhaps

folks on here can help you find the best way to do that.

Barbara

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Barbara - I agree....it seems that I should really be porking out for

the last month, but honestly, I haven't. I posted before that I

usually do palm/fist but since I was trying to avoid weight gain, I

have been being very careful with my portion size this last month.

And funny thing, the food tastes the same to me but I have been

craving hot and spicy.

Typical day:

Meal 1

1/2 c oats

1/4 c unsweetend applesauce

cinnamon

protein shake w/1 TBL Udo's Oil

Meal 2

6 egg whites

1 small Fuji apple

Meal 3

if cardio day

4 oz of chicken breast

1 c vegetables

if weight day I have 1/2 yam

Meal 4

FF/SF yogurt with 1/2 c cottage cheese

I also drink 1 litre of water with Greens+

Meal 5

3 oz of lean meat, usually chicken (I'm like Tara and eat the same

thing every day)

1/2 c vegetables

large spinach salad

Meal 6

1/2 cottage cheese and a couple of apple slices

I drink 5-6 litres of water. No soda, no caffeine. I take a

multi-vitamin and a magnesium/calcium supplement since I don't drink

milk. I don't like brown rice so my starchy carbs come from yams and

beans.

I am doing BFL workouts now and lifting as heavy as I can without a

spotter. I work out at home as there is no gym in my small town. I

pre-exhaust my legs as I can squat heavier than I can lift onto my

back. I just came off a slow and heavy routine. I change my

weightlifting every 4 weeks. My cardio is HIIT 3 times a week with

other stuff thrown is as well. I do not take a free day, just 2 cheat

meals a week and since I quit smoking there really hasn't been much

cheating.

Any help would be appreciated.

Blessings - Tina

>

> They say that smoking increases your metabolism by less than one

> percent. While this is a change, it is not thought to be enough to

> account for the weight gain that people go through when they quit

> smoking. So, lets look at it.

>

>

> Why don't you post a typical menue, just so we eliminate any issues

> with that. At the very least it is time to shake things up and perhaps

> folks on here can help you find the best way to do that.

>

> Barbara

>

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Hey, I'm not a big believer of the whole detox thing, but lately

I've been drinking that Long Life Cocktail (cran juice, water and

psyillium) and things have been improving, so I recognize that I

could definately be wrong.

What I'm trying to suggest is that maybe you need to try one of the

detox plans to clear all the smoking stuff from your body.

Terri mentioned that when she got to her lowest bodyfat % (15% and

she was cut and her legs were amazing) she was juicing. Makes me

wonder... there could be something to all of that Detox/Juice stuff.

I definately believe that you're staying in your calorie goals and

working out and can gain. The body has it's own coping methods!

You could be re-regulating hormones, or it could be a detox method

that your own body is performing - hold on to the water for it's

dear life and then flush the cells that need it. Who knows.

So, try the detox methods out there or just wait it out and build

muscles in the meantime. ;-) (sounds surprisingly like my own

plan - wait out the fat loss!).

Jami

PS Congrats for extending your life by at least 10 years. Good job!

PSS Those of you who have detoxed, feel free to weigh in here!

>

> They say that smoking increases your metabolism by less than one

> percent. While this is a change, it is not thought to be enough to

> account for the weight gain that people go through when they quit

> smoking. So, lets look at it.

>

> You are saying you gained 10# in a month, and increased from

> 125#/20%BF to 135#/24%BF

>

>

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Where can you purchase psyillium? How much do you use for the cocktail?

Kaaren

heyjami wrote:

Hey, I'm not a big believer of the whole detox thing, but lately

I've been drinking that Long Life Cocktail (cran juice, water and

psyillium) and things have been improving, so I recognize that I

could definately be wrong.

What I'm trying to suggest is that maybe you need to try one of the

detox plans to clear all the smoking stuff from your body.

Terri mentioned that when she got to her lowest bodyfat % (15% and

she was cut and her legs were amazing) she was juicing. Makes me

wonder... there could be something to all of that Detox/Juice stuff.

I definately believe that you're staying in your calorie goals and

working out and can gain. The body has it's own coping methods!

You could be re-regulating hormones, or it could be a detox method

that your own body is performing - hold on to the water for it's

dear life and then flush the cells that need it. Who knows.

So, try the detox methods out there or just wait it out and build

muscles in the meantime. ;-) (sounds surprisingly like my own

plan - wait out the fat loss!).

Jami

PS Congrats for extending your life by at least 10 years. Good job!

PSS Those of you who have detoxed, feel free to weigh in here!

>

> They say that smoking increases your metabolism by less than one

> percent. While this is a change, it is not thought to be enough to

> account for the weight gain that people go through when they quit

> smoking. So, lets look at it.

>

> You are saying you gained 10# in a month, and increased from

> 125#/20%BF to 135#/24%BF

>

>

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I bought mine at Trader Joe's for like $3. I use 2 T of psyillium, 2

oz of unsweetened pure cranberry juice and 8 oz water.

Check out the book " The Fat Flush. "

Jami

>

> Where can you purchase psyillium? How much do you use for the

cocktail?

>

> Kaaren

>

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Jami - thanks for the detox tip. You know, this weekend I was

thinking the same thing. I just feel bloated, a touch constipated,

really not very hungry or thirsty, like my body is full and doesn't

want any more. Perhaps a detox cocktail would do me some good. If

you don't mind, could you share the Long Life Cocktail that you've

been drinking?

My weight didn't go up any more but it hasn't gone down either. I was

hoping for a weight loss whoosh but it didn't happen.

Blessings - Tina

> >

> > They say that smoking increases your metabolism by less than one

> > percent. While this is a change, it is not thought to be enough to

> > account for the weight gain that people go through when they quit

> > smoking. So, lets look at it.

> >

> > You are saying you gained 10# in a month, and increased from

> > 125#/20%BF to 135#/24%BF

> >

> >

>

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Thanks for the reply on the recipe.

Kaaren

heyjami wrote:

I bought mine at Trader Joe's for like $3. I use 2 T of psyillium, 2

oz of unsweetened pure cranberry juice and 8 oz water.

Check out the book " The Fat Flush. "

Jami

>

> Where can you purchase psyillium? How much do you use for the

cocktail?

>

> Kaaren

>

>

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Ambient temperatures reallly do have an effect on brew times. with 65F to 75F

being in the ideal range

higher temps create shorter brews whereas below that will make for longer

brews. In winter 14 days is not unusual.

Also if you are disturbing your brew pot ie: picking it up, moving it,

shaking it, etc. that baby is not going to form very easily. Sometimes

in the beginning that baby will be nothing more than a slight filmy mass on

top of the brew, barely discernible until you disturb the liquid. In

time it will thicken and become more visible.

Normally my brews are ready in 7-9 days, but there was one that took

almost a month. That Scoby had been in a hotel and apparently went into

hibernation. Nevertheless it did eventually produce a fine brew and has

been culturing at normal times ever since.

zoe

" From what I am reading, I think my " mother " and " baby " are doing okay,

but it has been 8 days and there are no new babies on top. Could it

be that it is just too cool? I really want to get the production

underway for many of us here who are ready and willing. "

Please help. Thanks.

Carol

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Thank you soooooo much, zoe. I checked the 2 brews, and sure

enough, they are fermenting, just a little slower than last time. I

test-tasted, and they taste good.

Can I begin the brewing cycle again with the scobies being thin or

should I wait until they reach a certain thickness? They are thick

enough to handle.

>

> Ambient temperatures reallly do have an effect on brew times.

with 65F to 75F being in the ideal range

> higher temps create shorter brews whereas below that will

make for longer brews. In winter 14 days is not unusual.

>

> Also if you are disturbing your brew pot ie: picking it up,

moving it, shaking it, etc. that baby is not going to form very

easily. Sometimes in the beginning that baby will be

nothing more than a slight filmy mass on top of the brew, barely

discernible until you disturb the liquid. In time it will

thicken and become more visible.

>

> Normally my brews are ready in 7-9 days, but there was one

that took almost a month. That Scoby had been in a hotel and

apparently went into hibernation. Nevertheless it did

eventually produce a fine brew and has been culturing at

normal times ever since.

>

> zoe

>

>

> " From what I am reading, I think my " mother " and " baby " are doing

okay,

> but it has been 8 days and there are no new babies on top. Could

it

> be that it is just too cool? I really want to get the production

> underway for many of us here who are ready and willing. "

>

> Please help. Thanks.

> Carol

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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WOW. GIG.

I have a lot more questions. Is it okay to post replies this way or should I be

sending emails to members?

> >

> > Ambient temperatures reallly do have an effect on brew times.

> with 65F to 75F being in the ideal range

> > higher temps create shorter brews whereas below that will

> make for longer brews. In winter 14 days is not unusual.

> >

> > Also if you are disturbing your brew pot ie: picking it up,

> moving it, shaking it, etc. that baby is not going to form very

> easily. Sometimes in the beginning that baby will be

> nothing more than a slight filmy mass on top of the brew, barely

> discernible until you disturb the liquid. In time it will

> thicken and become more visible.

> >

> > Normally my brews are ready in 7-9 days, but there was one

> that took almost a month. That Scoby had been in a hotel and

> apparently went into hibernation. Nevertheless it did

> eventually produce a fine brew and has been culturing at

> normal times ever since.

> >

> > zoe

> >

> >

> > " From what I am reading, I think my " mother " and " baby " are doing

> okay,

> > but it has been 8 days and there are no new babies on top. Could

> it

> > be that it is just too cool? I really want to get the production

> > underway for many of us here who are ready and willing. "

> >

> > Please help. Thanks.

> > Carol

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

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Carol...

Feel free to post and ask questions. As long as it is Kombucha related

it is fine.

Gayle

On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:10 AM, carolmancuso@... wrote:

> WOW. GIG.

> I have a lot more questions. Is it okay to post replies this way or

> should I be sending emails to members?

>

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Carol,

I would encourage you to post your questions to the list that way all us

newbies can learn along with you.

Sincerely,

Jeff

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM, carolmancuso@... <

carolmancuso@...> wrote:

> WOW. GIG.

> I have a lot more questions. Is it okay to post replies this way or should

> I be sending emails to members?

>

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To all newbies - PLEASE remember there is NO such thing as a stupid

question!!!!!! The question you ask might be the one that someone else

wanted to ask, but was too shy.

Many of us read questions and answers even if they are not pertaining to our

livestock at the time. And sure enough - bingo! six months later we will

have the same problem and think " Why does that sound familiar? " And we can

look up the answer in the archives or ask again. Now we KNOW there is a

solution so we feel free to ask.

Many years ago I had read about goat polio and of course had never

encountered it. Sure enough a wonderful buck I had got it about a year

later. I had no clue, the vet had no clue. I ended up loosing the buck, a

Colt 45 son. When the necropsy came back from the vet, sure enough I

recognized the name of the disease. Too late for me, but I was able to save

some more later on down the line. And help some neighbors save some goats.

So don't be afraid to ask! We are all in this goat mess together! <VBG>

A few months ago there were case after case of mastitis on the list. I hope

the repetition made some remember better how to treat. Just like now, there

have been a bunch of preg tox cases. It refreshes our memories.

Gayla

Always Enough Ranch

Acampo, CA

> Carol,

>

> I would encourage you to post your questions to the list that way all us

> newbies can learn along with you.

>

> Sincerely,

> Jeff

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Preg tox cases? So pregnant women should be wary of drinking KT?

-cw

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Re: Re: Newbie needs help

To all newbies - PLEASE remember there is NO such thing as a stupid

question!!!!!! The question you ask might be the one that someone else

wanted to ask, but was too shy.

Many of us read questions and answers even if they are not pertaining to our

livestock at the time. And sure enough - bingo! six months later we will

have the same problem and think " Why does that sound familiar? " And we can

look up the answer in the archives or ask again. Now we KNOW there is a

solution so we feel free to ask.

Many years ago I had read about goat polio and of course had never

encountered it. Sure enough a wonderful buck I had got it about a year

later. I had no clue, the vet had no clue. I ended up loosing the buck, a

Colt 45 son. When the necropsy came back from the vet, sure enough I

recognized the name of the disease. Too late for me, but I was able to save

some more later on down the line. And help some neighbors save some goats.

So don't be afraid to ask! We are all in this goat mess together! <VBG>

A few months ago there were case after case of mastitis on the list. I hope

the repetition made some remember better how to treat. Just like now, there

have been a bunch of preg tox cases. It refreshes our memories.

Gayla

Always Enough Ranch

Acampo, CA

> Carol,

>

> I would encourage you to post your questions to the list that way all us

> newbies can learn along with you.

>

> Sincerely,

> Jeff

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I'm still trying to figure out the part about goat polio and kombucha....

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:36 PM, <drchristinaw@...> wrote:

> Preg tox cases? So pregnant women should be wary of drinking KT?

>

> -cw

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> Re: Re: Newbie needs help

>

>

>

> Many years ago I had read about goat polio and of course had never

> encountered it. Sure enough a wonderful buck I had got it about a year

> later. I had no clue, the vet had no clue. I ended up loosing the buck, a

> Colt 45 son. When the necropsy came back from the vet, sure enough I

> recognized the name of the disease. Too late for me, but I was able to save

> some more later on down the line. And help some neighbors save some goats.

> So don't be afraid to ask! We are all in this goat mess together! <VBG>

> A few months ago there were case after case of mastitis on the list. I hope

> the repetition made some remember better how to treat. Just like now, there

> have been a bunch of preg tox cases. It refreshes our memories.

>

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ROTF!!!! SORRY group! I was on a rant for another group! Whoooie! What a

dummy!!!!!

Gayla, who STILL believes there is no such thing as a stupid question.

Re: Re: Newbie needs help

> Preg tox cases? So pregnant women should be wary of drinking KT?

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