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I used to have a lot of trouble with acid reflux. Now very seldom.

I do not eat for 2-3 hours before laying down (bedtime, etc.) . I avoid

spicy, tomato based (spaghetti, etc) chocolate (I can't give up entirely)

avoid carbonated drinks, etc. Also, during the day sometimes

my food doesn't go down well (hiatal hernia??) - I undo anything tight

(belt, bra, etc) (sometimes at awkward times - just wear loose clothing).

Also stress hurts - tightens things up. If I haven't eaten for a while It

seems to help if i drink or eat a tiny bit slowly before I really dig into

my meal (like priming a pump). Also I sit up very straight and take a few

deep breaths if I feel it starting. I am still experimenting with

different things - but this seems to help me - if you have other suggestions

I would love to hear. I don't like to take medications if I can help.

Phyllis

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Phyllis,

My sister has had a problem with this and my brother, who teaches at

Palmer Chiropractic College, gave her an " exercise " to do that has

helped her a lot. You stand facing a corner of the room. Place a hand

on each wall and then lean into the corner. Hold. This should help

loosen up those tight muscles and open up the chest. It isn't strenuous

so it can be done as often and as long as necessary. What the heck,

it's free! Hope it helps.

Criss

> -----Original Message-----

> my food doesn't go down well (hiatal hernia??) - I undo anything

> tight

> (belt, bra, etc) (sometimes at awkward times - just wear loose

> clothing).

> Also stress hurts - tightens things up. If I haven't eaten for a

> while It

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Hi Tommy,

Try apple cider vinegar for acid reflux. 1 tablespoon in a glass of water,three

times a day. It's a lot better for you....I hope this helps!

Kay from the Oregon Coast

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Hi Kay,

Thanks I'll give it a try.

Tommy.

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Try apple cider vinegar for acid reflux. 1 tablespoon in a glass of water,three

times a day. It's a lot better for you....I hope this helps!

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  • 9 months later...

Mine vanished after going raw paleo, but now I'm experimenting with Matt Stone's

stuff, he has an article about it:

http://180degreehealth.blogspot.com/search/label/heartburn

--- In , " crayfishfeed " <crayfishfeed@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows of any effective treatments, remedies for

acid reflux. For a while, after reading Why Stomach Acid is Good for You, I used

the HCL but I stopped after a year. I have also tried some ginger therapies and

Kefir doesn't help. I was wondering if anyone had any successful experiences in

treating this.

>

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this new WAPF article might help

http://www.westonaprice.org/modern-diseases/digestive-disorders/1956-acid-reflux\

-a-red-flag.html

--- In , " crayfishfeed " <crayfishfeed@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows of any effective treatments, remedies for

acid reflux. For a while, after reading Why Stomach Acid is Good for You, I used

the HCL but I stopped after a year. I have also tried some ginger therapies and

Kefir doesn't help. I was wondering if anyone had any successful experiences in

treating this.

>

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It depends on if you're having it because you're short on stomach acid or if

it is happening because the flap at the top of the stomach isn't closing

properly.

For the former, make sure you're getting adequate chloride (found in salt).

The latter, I'd suggest eating several tiny meals a day - be very careful

not to over stuff yourself as that can contribute to that flap not sealing

right. (Pregnancy can also cause it, and unfortunately, in that instance it

won't likely be alleviated until birth.) Chronic gassiness, to the point

where your abdomen is regularly distended can also cause this issue, so if

you do have gas, determining what is causing the gas would be a must.

-Lana

" The art of simplicity is a puzzle of complexity. " - Horton

On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 9:27 AM, crayfishfeed <crayfishfeed@...>wrote:

> Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows of any effective treatments, remedies

> for acid reflux. For a while, after reading Why Stomach Acid is Good for

> You, I used the HCL but I stopped after a year. I have also tried some

> ginger therapies and Kefir doesn't help. I was wondering if anyone had any

> successful experiences in treating this.

>

>

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I have spent my life living with GERD and acid indigestion literally since I

was a small child. Having recently gone back to school to be a midwife I am

taking courses like Physiology and Anatomy and I have run across this

several times now that B12 or lack thereof is the reason for these issues.

I personally have not stepped up my B12 but seeing as I have tried just

about everything else I am considering it. Dr. Mercola also has mentioned

the B12 connection. So just passing it on. Let me know if it works and I

will let you know as well once I get myself to the store to buy some B12. I

am also curious being a student midwife how the lack of breastfeeding we had

as a children might also have affected this. I have not seen any studies on

it but I do know that breastfeeding sets up the whole GI tract and a baby

that is breastfed is totally different in the GI tract, small intestine,

stomach, etc. from a formula fed baby. Do any of you know if you were or

weren't breastfed? I know I wasn't having been born during the 50's when it

was so out of vogue and bottle feeding was the " in " thing. Our bodies were

so abused as our mothers even fed us cereal almost as soon as we were born

and now they know a baby can't digest anything but milk until about 6

months. Had to have affected us!

Allyn

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lana Gibbons

Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 7:14 PM

Subject: Re: Acid reflux

It depends on if you're having it because you're short on stomach acid or if

it is happening because the flap at the top of the stomach isn't closing

properly.

For the former, make sure you're getting adequate chloride (found in salt).

The latter, I'd suggest eating several tiny meals a day - be very careful

not to over stuff yourself as that can contribute to that flap not sealing

right. (Pregnancy can also cause it, and unfortunately, in that instance it

won't likely be alleviated until birth.) Chronic gassiness, to the point

where your abdomen is regularly distended can also cause this issue, so if

you do have gas, determining what is causing the gas would be a must.

-Lana

" The art of simplicity is a puzzle of complexity. " - Horton

On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 9:27 AM, crayfishfeed <crayfishfeed@...

<mailto:crayfishfeed%40> >wrote:

> Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows of any effective treatments, remedies

> for acid reflux. For a while, after reading Why Stomach Acid is Good for

> You, I used the HCL but I stopped after a year. I have also tried some

> ginger therapies and Kefir doesn't help. I was wondering if anyone had any

> successful experiences in treating this.

>

>

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Dr. Batmanghelidj (watercure.com) has a book out called " Your Body's Many Cries

for Water " and says that heartburn is a symptom of dehydration in the upper

digestive tract.

He recommends taking a glass or two of water at least 20 minutes before a meal,

and then again about an hour or two after the meal.

He also recommends mixing 1/2 gallon of plain water with 1/2 teaspoon of sea

salt (not table salt) and using that water. The sea salt helps replenish the

electrolytes that can be depleted.

If you drink a lot of caffeine or citrus juice, those are both diuretics. Also,

pure water is the best diuretic there is.

I haven't had heartburn or acid reflux, but I did drink lots of plain water

(usually 3 quart mugs or more) every day and tended to get a sock line on my

lower legs by the end of the day. It would often stay there until the next

morning! But when I started drinking the water with sea salt in it, that

stopped. I don't use the sea salt water all the time now, but I can tell when

I'm getting dehydrated and need to drink it again for a while.

L

--- In , " crayfishfeed " <crayfishfeed@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows of any effective treatments, remedies for

acid reflux. For a while, after reading Why Stomach Acid is Good for You, I used

the HCL but I stopped after a year. I have also tried some ginger therapies and

Kefir doesn't help. I was wondering if anyone had any successful experiences in

treating this.

>

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This article makes a connection b/w acid reflux and candida. I have cut back on

coconut oil lately but maybe this is why I have seen more acid reflux in my

body, b/c the coconut oil was keeping candida under control.

> >

> > Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows of any effective treatments, remedies

for acid reflux. For a while, after reading Why Stomach Acid is Good for You, I

used the HCL but I stopped after a year. I have also tried some ginger

therapies and Kefir doesn't help. I was wondering if anyone had any successful

experiences in treating this.

> >

>

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I have read about B12 too, that the same cells that make intrinsic factor make

hcl. It makes me wonder though, if you increase hcl, that doesn't make you

increase intrinsic factor so there's still the problem of b12 absorption. They

say it's hard to get through supplements and liver if you don't have intrinsic

factor. I know mercola has that b12 oral spray, I was thinking about getting.

>

> I have spent my life living with GERD and acid indigestion literally since I

> was a small child. Having recently gone back to school to be a midwife I am

> taking courses like Physiology and Anatomy and I have run across this

> several times now that B12 or lack thereof is the reason for these issues.

> I personally have not stepped up my B12 but seeing as I have tried just

> about everything else I am considering it. Dr. Mercola also has mentioned

> the B12 connection. So just passing it on. Let me know if it works and I

> will let you know as well once I get myself to the store to buy some B12. I

> am also curious being a student midwife how the lack of breastfeeding we had

> as a children might also have affected this. I have not seen any studies on

> it but I do know that breastfeeding sets up the whole GI tract and a baby

> that is breastfed is totally different in the GI tract, small intestine,

> stomach, etc. from a formula fed baby. Do any of you know if you were or

> weren't breastfed? I know I wasn't having been born during the 50's when it

> was so out of vogue and bottle feeding was the " in " thing. Our bodies were

> so abused as our mothers even fed us cereal almost as soon as we were born

> and now they know a baby can't digest anything but milk until about 6

> months. Had to have affected us!

>

>

>

> Allyn

>

>

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lana Gibbons

> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 7:14 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Acid reflux

>

>

>

>

>

> It depends on if you're having it because you're short on stomach acid or if

> it is happening because the flap at the top of the stomach isn't closing

> properly.

>

> For the former, make sure you're getting adequate chloride (found in salt).

>

> The latter, I'd suggest eating several tiny meals a day - be very careful

> not to over stuff yourself as that can contribute to that flap not sealing

> right. (Pregnancy can also cause it, and unfortunately, in that instance it

> won't likely be alleviated until birth.) Chronic gassiness, to the point

> where your abdomen is regularly distended can also cause this issue, so if

> you do have gas, determining what is causing the gas would be a must.

>

> -Lana

>

> " The art of simplicity is a puzzle of complexity. " - Horton

>

> On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 9:27 AM, crayfishfeed <crayfishfeed@...

> <mailto:crayfishfeed%40> >wrote:

>

> > Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows of any effective treatments, remedies

> > for acid reflux. For a while, after reading Why Stomach Acid is Good for

> > You, I used the HCL but I stopped after a year. I have also tried some

> > ginger therapies and Kefir doesn't help. I was wondering if anyone had any

> > successful experiences in treating this.

> >

> >

>

>

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I don't go to a lot of docs, but I got the impression that an osteopath that I

visited once had less of a tendency to want to prescribe drugs. Less than an MD,

that is.

L

> >

> > I have no idea what this guy is saying in this article

> >

> > --- In , " doublethink03 " <doublethink03@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Mine vanished after going raw paleo, but now I'm experimenting with Matt

Stone's stuff, he has an article about it:

> > >

> > > http://180degreehealth.blogspot.com/search/label/heartburn

> > >

> > >

>

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,

You may want to check out the book why Stomach acid is good for you. It's about

using HCL to treat acid reflux. I did it for a while but I was nervous about

taking hcl when I wasn't sure if I needed it. There's something called the

heidelberg test which tests for stomach acidity

http://www.healthmonthly.co.uk/health/therapy/acid-test.html

He speaks of it in the book. I think the book is really interesting so it's not

a waste of time to read it even if it's not the right path for you.

Also there's a test using baking soda, and you wait to see how long you burp and

there's one described in the above link that tests how much hcl you need by

taking a little bit more every morning until you get a burning feeling but I

read another article somehwere saying you could be taking too much hcl and not

get the burning feeling which I never got a burning feeling. One could say well

maybe I have very little hcl but when I did the baking soda test I wasn't too

far off. I can't remember the baking soda test but I think it's been discussed

on NN if you do a search. You time how long before you burp after taking it.

Actually Idol once told me about ginger juice having an effect of healing

the esophageal flap. So maybe people can have enough stomach acid and still get

acid reflux. Also there's a website called earthclinic.com with all sorts of

suggestions.

The interesting thing is after reading the article Carolyn posted and learning

about the strong connection to candida, I started taking the coconut oil again

and it has helped. I also then saw on earth clinic someone saying the coconut

oil was the only thing that helped their acid reflux.

> >

> > I have no idea what this guy is saying in this article

> >

> > --- In , " doublethink03 " <doublethink03@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Mine vanished after going raw paleo, but now I'm experimenting with Matt

Stone's stuff, he has an article about it:

> > >

> > > http://180degreehealth.blogspot.com/search/label/heartburn

> > >

> > >

>

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Did you try Hydrochloric Acid? Many times reflux is due to low acidity in the

stomach, causing the stomach to churn extra hard to try and do the pancreas's

job, throwing up the little bit of acid into the esophagus.

Liz Lipski's book on Digestive Wellness explains it very well. I heard her talk

on the Layna Berman radio show, " Your Own Health & Fitness " . Layna sells the

CD's of those shows on her website yourownhealthandfitness.org

Re: Re: Acid reflux

>

>,

>

>Is the feeling in your neck?

>

>If so, I'd suggest you get your thyroid checked out.

>

>-Lana

>

> " The art of simplicity is a puzzle of complexity. " - Horton

>

>

>On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:10 PM, slbooks4me

><beauty4ashesisaiah61@...>wrote:

>

>> I don't get his point either except to eat crappy food and it will go away.

>> Been there done that it won't :). The things that make mine better are

>> more raw foods and things he says are a crock. I do not know that i

>> actually have any heart burn but i have food in throat feeling that won't go

>> away for hours and hours after meals. Bending over it will will feel like

>> it is going to back up in mouth, etc. I wish i could make this go away. I

>> have not found what works really besides hardly eating and eating raw foods

>> when i do. I tried all sorts of digestive enzymes, pro-biotics, fermented

>> foods. I almost feel like the ferments make it worse. I feel the burn

>> there instead of digesting. W/o ferments no burn just food still there.

>>

>> Can anyone tell me if this is reflux? If i go see a doc what kind of test

>> should i have done to determine what my issue is?

>>

>>

>

>

>

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Here is a link to a page that describes several antifungal foods (good for when

you think there is a connection between your heartburn and candida):

http://www.candida-cure-recipes.com/treatments-for-candida-albicans.html

I can see where these might be helpful because, if your esophageal flap is

damaged, as long as it is not healed, it will probably play host to a fungal

infection...and they can keep it from healing.

--- In , " crayfishfeed " <crayfishfeed@...>

wrote:

>

> ,

>

> You may want to check out the book why Stomach acid is good for you. It's

about using HCL to treat acid reflux. I did it for a while but I was nervous

about taking hcl when I wasn't sure if I needed it. There's something called the

heidelberg test which tests for stomach acidity

http://www.healthmonthly.co.uk/health/therapy/acid-test.html

> He speaks of it in the book. I think the book is really interesting so it's

not a waste of time to read it even if it's not the right path for you.

>

> Also there's a test using baking soda, and you wait to see how long you burp

and there's one described in the above link that tests how much hcl you need by

taking a little bit more every morning until you get a burning feeling but I

read another article somehwere saying you could be taking too much hcl and not

get the burning feeling which I never got a burning feeling. One could say well

maybe I have very little hcl but when I did the baking soda test I wasn't too

far off. I can't remember the baking soda test but I think it's been discussed

on NN if you do a search. You time how long before you burp after taking it.

>

> Actually Idol once told me about ginger juice having an effect of healing

the esophageal flap. So maybe people can have enough stomach acid and still get

acid reflux. Also there's a website called earthclinic.com with all sorts of

suggestions.

>

> The interesting thing is after reading the article Carolyn posted and learning

about the strong connection to candida, I started taking the coconut oil again

and it has helped. I also then saw on earth clinic someone saying the coconut

oil was the only thing that helped their acid reflux.

>

> --- In , " slbooks4me " <beauty4ashesisaiah61@>

wrote:

> >

> > I don't get his point either except to eat crappy food and it will go away.

Been there done that it won't :). The things that make mine better are more raw

foods and things he says are a crock. I do not know that i actually have any

heart burn but i have food in throat feeling that won't go away for hours and

hours after meals. Bending over it will will feel like it is going to back up

in mouth, etc. I wish i could make this go away. I have not found what works

really besides hardly eating and eating raw foods when i do. I tried all sorts

of digestive enzymes, pro-biotics, fermented foods. I almost feel like the

ferments make it worse. I feel the burn there instead of digesting. W/o

ferments no burn just food still there.

> >

> > Can anyone tell me if this is reflux? If i go see a doc what kind of test

should i have done to determine what my issue is?

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In , " crayfishfeed " <crayfishfeed@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > I have no idea what this guy is saying in this article

> > >

> > > --- In , " doublethink03 " <doublethink03@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mine vanished after going raw paleo, but now I'm experimenting with Matt

Stone's stuff, he has an article about it:

> > > >

> > > > http://180degreehealth.blogspot.com/search/label/heartburn

> > > >

> > > >

> >

>

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Also in the Liz Lipski book, " Digestive Wellness " , she says it's easy to test

yourself for lack of Hydrochloric Acid. On an empty stomach, just before a

protein meal (ALWAYS a protein meal, be it meat or cheese or yogurt), take one

tablet. If you feel a slight burn, then you don't need it. If you feel no burn,

take another. Keep taking them until you feel that burn - that's how many you

need to take with each protein meal. I also sprinkle enzymes from jell capsules

directly on my food. You need to stop making your pancreas work so hard; that's

what causes it to turn cancerous.

Re: Acid reflux

>

>,

>

>You may want to check out the book why Stomach acid is good for you. It's about

using HCL to treat acid reflux. I did it for a while but I was nervous about

taking hcl when I wasn't sure if I needed it. There's something called the

heidelberg test which tests for stomach acidity

http://www.healthmonthly.co.uk/health/therapy/acid-test.html

>He speaks of it in the book. I think the book is really interesting so it's not

a waste of time to read it even if it's not the right path for you.

>

>Also there's a test using baking soda, and you wait to see how long you burp

and there's one described in the above link that tests how much hcl you need by

taking a little bit more every morning until you get a burning feeling but I

read another article somehwere saying you could be taking too much hcl and not

get the burning feeling which I never got a burning feeling. One could say well

maybe I have very little hcl but when I did the baking soda test I wasn't too

far off. I can't remember the baking soda test but I think it's been discussed

on NN if you do a search. You time how long before you burp after taking it.

>

>Actually Idol once told me about ginger juice having an effect of healing

the esophageal flap. So maybe people can have enough stomach acid and still get

acid reflux. Also there's a website called earthclinic.com with all sorts of

suggestions.

>

>The interesting thing is after reading the article Carolyn posted and learning

about the strong connection to candida, I started taking the coconut oil again

and it has helped. I also then saw on earth clinic someone saying the coconut

oil was the only thing that helped their acid reflux.

>

>

>>

>> I don't get his point either except to eat crappy food and it will go away.

Been there done that it won't :). The things that make mine better are more raw

foods and things he says are a crock. I do not know that i actually have any

heart burn but i have food in throat feeling that won't go away for hours and

hours after meals. Bending over it will will feel like it is going to back up

in mouth, etc. I wish i could make this go away. I have not found what works

really besides hardly eating and eating raw foods when i do. I tried all sorts

of digestive enzymes, pro-biotics, fermented foods. I almost feel like the

ferments make it worse. I feel the burn there instead of digesting. W/o

ferments no burn just food still there.

>>

>> Can anyone tell me if this is reflux? If i go see a doc what kind of test

should i have done to determine what my issue is?

>>

>>

>>

>> --- In , " crayfishfeed " <crayfishfeed@>

wrote:

>> >

>> > I have no idea what this guy is saying in this article

>> >

>> > --- In , " doublethink03 " <doublethink03@>

wrote:

>> > >

>> > > Mine vanished after going raw paleo, but now I'm experimenting with Matt

Stone's stuff, he has an article about it:

>> > >

>> > > http://180degreehealth.blogspot.com/search/label/heartburn

>> > >

>> > >

>>

>

>

>

>

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On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:25 AM, slbooks4me <beauty4ashesisaiah61@...

> wrote:

> I have heard this before but don't see how it's my thyroid as opposed to

> food when if i burp food could come back up, if i bend down it feels as

> though the food is going to be forced into my mouth etc. It is food, not a

> lump.

>

Two reasons I suggested a possible thyroid issue - you reported burning in

your neck, that can be the thyroid leaking excess thyroid hormones due to

inflammation. It does feel remarkably like reflux, although for me the

sensation is predominantly in the neck area and does not extend into the

chest cavity.

Also, food feeling like it is stuck in your throat and quick to come back up

if you bend down, could very well be that the food is actually stuck in your

throat thanks to an enlargement of the thyroid.

When combined, both sensations can feel to me as though I have bile in my

throat or that I just threw up - even though the sensation does not extend

below my collarbone.

I've had hypothyroid symptoms for nearly 5 years now - apparently I've had a

cystic cold nodule that entire time, but I've also got a smaller hot nodule

and an overall warmer than usual lobe, so my blood tests always come up

normal. It wasn't until a few months ago when the cyst got visible to the

naked eye that my thyroid complaints were taken seriously and the

appropriate scans were done to reveal the nodules and compensatory

hyperfunctioning of the lobe.

Anyway, once food gets to your stomach there is a flap that should be

keeping it in there. So if you're feeling like food is so ready to come up,

there are a few things I suspect: 1) the flap is bad 2) you possibly have a

thyroid issue 3) your stomach may be trying to void a food you are allergic

to and 4) (far less likely) you could be eating entirely too much in a

single meal.

-Lana

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> Lana, Thanks for the reply. I did not know that about the thyroid. Makes

sense

> now. I suspect hypo as my temps have been low for a long time.

FYI, Dr. Kharrazian writes in his book that 90% of hypothyroidism in the

West is Hashimoto's, which is an autoimmune disease commonly linked to

gluten intolerance and other food allergies.

www.thyroidbook.com

Suze

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Well, I think it depends on what foods you're eating raw. It also depends

on if your mineral balance is skewing with the raw foods. The

vitamins/minerals/aminos you need for hypothyroidism are Iodine, Manganese,

Selenium, Tyrosine, B2 and B3. It would also help to avoid Fluoride,

Bromate and Goitrogens.

-Lana

" The art of simplicity is a puzzle of complexity. " - Horton

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:07 PM, slbooks4me

<beauty4ashesisaiah61@...>wrote:

> Lana, Thanks for the reply. I did not know that about the thyroid. Makes

> sense now. I suspect hypo as my temps have been low for a long time. Used

> to be waking 94ish when i first started NT now waking is about 96.- 97.

> Number is least likely although there are times i do over indulge LOL.

> Very rare. SO do you think the fact that raw foods seem to stay down

> better would affect the flap issue? Is the flap issue hiatal hernia or is

> that something entirely different? If it were food allergy it would be a

> lot of them then...... please not that one :).

>

> Does anyone know if i go in how they would DX this.

>

>

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My husband had " heartburn " forEVER and it was often accompanied with acid

reflux. He had tums and rolaids in EVER nook and cranny, the car, the office,

the bathroom, the living room, even under his pillow. I did a little reading

(at least 11yrs ago) and read that celery juice helps to restore stomach acid.

I then began juicing him celery and apple juice daily. It went away 100% and

has been gone ever since. Of course along the way we began to eat healthier as

well.

michelle

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wrote:

>

> Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows of any effective treatments, remedies for

acid reflux. For a while, after reading Why Stomach Acid is Good for You, I used

the HCL but I stopped after a year. I have also tried some ginger therapies and

Kefir doesn't help. I was wondering if anyone had any successful experiences in

treating this.

>

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How often did you juice the celery?

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> > Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows of any effective treatments, remedies

for acid reflux. For a while, after reading Why Stomach Acid is Good for You, I

used the HCL but I stopped after a year. I have also tried some ginger

therapies and Kefir doesn't help. I was wondering if anyone had any successful

experiences in treating this.

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Saw Chiro today who highly suspected hiatal hernia. He attempted to adjust it.

Said it was pretty tough may have to do it a few times. Feels like some one

punched me in the gut a few times now :). But the first time tonight in 3 yrs

or more i had a meal that has not bothered me. I keep waiting for the symptoms

to arise but so far none. :)

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