Re: new to group, question on symptoms

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--- In , " can_cis " <can2cis-y@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi listmantes,

> I'm new to the group. I have used MMS for 3 weeks and had to stop because I

experienced much anger and severe joint pain (hips). I only got to 5 drops. I

wonder if anybody else has has experienced the same.

> I would really like to try it again, I love the way I felt before these

symptoms.

> Thank you for your input.

>

> Carmen

>

Good Day Carmen and Group,

I am new as well.

I would like to add my symptom questions to Carmen's if that's ok. I have been

using MMS for about two-three weeks. I immediately got a headache that hasn't

left. To which was added; runny nose, coughing and congestion, sorethroat,

excessive eye mucus, metallic taste in mouth, nausea.

My current protocol level is 8 drops in am, 8 drops two hours later, and 8 drops

in evening. I have been trying to take it after eating to alleviate nausea.

I started this MMS to combat a long history with Lyme disease that had me

bedridden for 8 months, and psoriatic arthritis with all the accompanying

fatigue and swollen, sore joints. None of these symptoms have been affected yet

by my MMS protocol, worse if anything.

I'm miserable. Am I killing myself with this stuff? It sure feels it!

Is there anyone who can say they had severe symptoms of some disease or

affliction, who suffered through their MMS treatment and came out the other side

feeling better? Someone have something similar to me?

I have tried many options and really hope this can help but it feels too bad.

Thanks for your help.

Jane

Good luck to you Carmen- I hope you feel better soon

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On 11/17/2009, chrisnjane1199 (chrisnjane1199@...) wrote:

> My current protocol level is 8 drops in am, 8 drops two hours later,

> and 8 drops in evening.

Since the protocol is - and always has been - that if it makes you feel

worse, TAKE LESS.

Also, the current recommendation is much smaller doses, an hour or two

apart, throughout the day (at least 8 doses). Since you are fighting a

chronic, debilitating disease, then you want to follow the protocol very

closely and try to achieve the maximum dose/frequency.

But again - the overriding feedback mechanism is - how does it make you

feel? If it makes you feel worse, decrease the dose for a few days, then

try to slowly increase it again.

Some people start out with as little as half a drop.

[Guest guest]

Negative effects are often felt as the body goes thrugh a clesing reaction.A friend of mine has often told me that as his body heals old injuries ache and areas where there is a health issue that he wasnt even aware of will have pain.Even in our ill health our bodies are in a sort of homeostasis with the organisms that parasitize us. The anger reaction is one some have atributed to these organisms fighting back to try to get you to stop killing them. I am more inclined to believe that the toxins that are released by the dieing organisms are irritating to your system.

You may want to back off on the ammount of MMS1 you are taking to give yourselves a chance to eliminate the toxins . I havent tried it myself but it was recommended here to take apple pectin to speed the elimination of the toxins . In other words have a few apples.

Wilkins

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From: chrisnjane1199 <chrisnjane1199@...>Subject: [ ] Re: new to group, question on symptoms Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:09 AM

>> Hi listmantes,> I'm new to the group. I have used MMS for 3 weeks and had to stop because I experienced much anger and severe joint pain (hips). I only got to 5 drops. I wonder if anybody else has has experienced the same.> I would really like to try it again, I love the way I felt before these symptoms.> Thank you for your input.> > Carmen>Good Day Carmen and Group,I am new as well.I would like to add my symptom questions to Carmen's if that's ok. I have been using MMS for about two-three weeks. I immediately got a headache that hasn't left. To which was added; runny nose, coughing and

congestion, sorethroat, excessive eye mucus, metallic taste in mouth, nausea.My current protocol level is 8 drops in am, 8 drops two hours later, and 8 drops in evening. I have been trying to take it after eating to alleviate nausea. I started this MMS to combat a long history with Lyme disease that had me bedridden for 8 months, and psoriatic arthritis with all the accompanying fatigue and swollen, sore joints. None of these symptoms have been affected yet by my MMS protocol, worse if anything.I'm miserable. Am I killing myself with this stuff? It sure feels it!Is there anyone who can say they had severe symptoms of some disease or affliction, who suffered through their MMS treatment and came out the other side feeling better? Someone have something similar to me?I have tried many options and really hope this can help but it feels too bad.Thanks for your help.JaneGood luck to you Carmen- I hope you feel

better soon

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>

>

>

> --- In , " can_cis " <can2cis-y@>

wrote:

> >

> > Hi listmantes,

> > I'm new to the group. I have used MMS for 3 weeks and had to stop because I

experienced much anger and severe joint pain (hips). I only got to 5 drops. I

wonder if anybody else has has experienced the same.

> > I would really like to try it again, I love the way I felt before these

symptoms.

> > Thank you for your input.

> >

> > Carmen

> >

>

> Good Day Carmen and Group,

> I am new as well.

> I would like to add my symptom questions to Carmen's if that's ok. I have been

using MMS for about two-three weeks. I immediately got a headache that hasn't

left. To which was added; runny nose, coughing and congestion, sorethroat,

excessive eye mucus, metallic taste in mouth, nausea.

> My current protocol level is 8 drops in am, 8 drops two hours later, and 8

drops in evening. I have been trying to take it after eating to alleviate

nausea.

> I started this MMS to combat a long history with Lyme disease that had me

bedridden for 8 months, and psoriatic arthritis with all the accompanying

fatigue and swollen, sore joints. None of these symptoms have been affected yet

by my MMS protocol, worse if anything.

> I'm miserable. Am I killing myself with this stuff? It sure feels it!

>

>

> Is there anyone who can say they had severe symptoms of some disease or

affliction, who suffered through their MMS treatment and came out the other side

feeling better? Someone have something similar to me?

>

>

> I have tried many options and really hope this can help but it feels too bad.

> Thanks for your help.

> Jane

>

> Good luck to you Carmen- I hope you feel better soon

>

Even though both of you are facing a kind of healing crisis, debilitating you,

both physically and mentally, you need to build confidence in the healing power

of your body, especially, under the action of MMS Protocol.So many people with

various kinds of ailments, including very serious conditions have been healed

thro MMS protocol.So why not you too? Every human being is different,and the

kind of healing crisis one faces are different in type,magnitude, duration and

can not be entirely predicted.One should have a kind of adventurous,

experimental approach, with caution of course,if one chooses self curing

protocols such as MMS.Take help and suggestions of some of the experienced,

experimenters in the group, like Wilkins,Tanstaafl,Healinghope and a lot

of others... and I am confident you will be guided from time to time and soon

will be to full recovery. To alleviate from the healing crisis, you may need to

supplement with appropriate naturapathic, herbal products so that you pass thro

this crisis with least distress.Do some research,discuss with knowledgeable

persons, to find which herbs or system suit best for you. I believe that

ultimate cure can happen only in cleansing the body from all pathogens and

disease products which are residing deep down in our cells for decades.It is

mostly inevitable to encounter healing crisis to dislodge these toxins from

deeper layers. Build confidence and courage to go thro this testing times.Good

luck.

MMS is very much promising to evolve into a one of the greatest healing tools.

[Guest guest]

> > My current protocol level is 8 drops in am, 8 drops two hours later,

> > and 8 drops in evening.

>

> Since the protocol is - and always has been - that if it makes you feel

> worse, TAKE LESS.

>

> Also, the current recommendation is much smaller doses, an hour or two

> apart, throughout the day (at least 8 doses). Since you are fighting a

> chronic, debilitating disease, then you want to follow the protocol very

> closely and try to achieve the maximum dose/frequency.

>

> But again - the overriding feedback mechanism is - how does it make you

> feel? If it makes you feel worse, decrease the dose for a few days, then

> try to slowly increase it again.

>

> Some people start out with as little as half a drop.

Thank you all for the quick replies. It is heartening to get some support when

you feel so down.

I have been reducing to get around the nausea, which is often and strong. Are

you suggesting I reduce as well for Herkimer/ cleansing reactions too? ( i.e;

coughing,headache,joint pain, etc)

Would I conceivably get less reactions from a consistent lower dose throughout

the day? But would that reduce the potential benefits and prolong my situation

considerably?

I understand the " no pain, no gain " premise, but don't want to do so

unneccesarily.

And, if I get it right, the suggested protocol would be about 1-3 drops 8 times

a day instead of 8drops x 3. And increase from there when there is no

discomfort.

Thank you all again for your input, and your patience.

Jane

[Guest guest]

Hi Jane,

I tried mms a while ago and although am relatively healthy it made me

very nauseous, runny and headachey at 4 drops. Have never been brave

enough to do it again. !!!

Having said that When going through self inflicted herx etc from zapping

or alkalysing etc i tend to back off from protocol for a while to re-

group, get happy and strong and go in to attack again. Pulsing like that

is good becasue I can save the misery for the weekend and still be

functional enough to earn a crust during the week. Or you could do it the

other way round >:-}

One day On, Two days Off ; Three days, One day off. Something like that.

Choose what suits you and what doesn't suit your problem. hammer, rest,

hammer, rest. The Rest period should be long enough for you to gain

courage and health and short enough not to allow the bugs to gain too

much; the Hammer period short enough not to exhaust or discourage you and

long enough to cause significant damage to what is worrying you.

OK,

tony

On 18 Nov 2009 at 1:41, chrisnjane1199 wrote about :

Subject : [ ] Re: ne

>

>

> > > My current protocol level is 8 drops in

> am, 8 drops two hours later, > > and 8 drops in evening. > > Since the

> protocol is - and always has been - that if it makes you feel > worse,

> TAKE LESS. > > Also, the current recommendation is much smaller doses, an

> hour or two > apart, throughout the day (at least 8 doses). Since you are

> fighting a > chronic, debilitating disease, then you want to follow the

> protocol very > closely and try to achieve the maximum dose/frequency. > >

> But again - the overriding feedback mechanism is - how does it make you >

> feel? If it makes you feel worse, decrease the dose for a few days, then >

> try to slowly increase it again. > > Some people start out with as little

> as half a drop.

>

> Thank you all for the quick replies. It is heartening to get some support

> when you feel so down.

>

> I have been reducing to get around the nausea, which is often and strong.

> Are you suggesting I reduce as well for Herkimer/ cleansing reactions too?

> ( i.e; coughing,headache,joint pain, etc) Would I conceivably get less

> reactions from a consistent lower dose throughout the day? But would that

> reduce the potential benefits and prolong my situation considerably? I

> understand the " no pain, no gain " premise, but don't want to do so

> unneccesarily. And, if I get it right, the suggested protocol would be

> about 1-3 drops 8 times a day instead of 8drops x 3. And increase from

> there when there is no discomfort. Thank you all again for your input, and

> your patience.

>

> Jane

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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On 11/17/2009, chrisnjane1199 (chrisnjane1199@...) wrote:

> I have been reducing to get around the nausea, which is often and

> strong. Are you suggesting I reduce as well for Herkimer/ cleansing

> reactions too? ( i.e; coughing,headache,joint pain, etc)

Heh - you can answer this question yourself - does the above fall in the

category of 'feeling WORSE'?

> Would I conceivably get less reactions from a consistent lower dose

> throughout the day?

Thats the idea...

> But would that reduce the potential benefits and prolong my situation

> considerably? I understand the " no pain, no gain " premise, but don't

> want to do so unneccesarily.

The thing to understand is, when you start feeling worse like that, it

is your body telling you that the metabolic pathways designed to

cleanse/detox your body is being overwhelmed.

So, now ask yourself the above question with that in mind.

> And, if I get it right, the suggested protocol would be about 1-3

> drops 8 times a day instead of 8drops x 3.

Yes - but this isn't absolute. You could stretch it to 10 or even 12

hours per day if you wanted. The main thing to remember is, use how you

are feeling to adjust the amount/frequency.

If 3 drops, 8 times per day makes you feel bad, but 2 drops 12

times/hours per day doesn't - well, you do the math.

> And increase from there when there is no discomfort. Thank you all

> again for your input, and your patience.

I wouldn't exactly say you should freak out and lower the dose if you

feel *any* discomfort whatsoever... but yes, if you start feeling worse,

and it doesn't go away by the next dose, then lower that next dose. A

transient (lasting a few minutes) headache or slight feeling of nausea

isn't the same thing as the same thing lasting hours.

[Guest guest]

I would try and add the oil pull with coconut oil to you healing and also cell

salts for the anger and tension.

http://www.oilpulling.com/

http://www.elixirs.com/cellsalts.cfm

--- In , carmensa <can2cis-y@...>

wrote:

>

> Exactly what my problem is: malfunctioning detoxing pathways - if I could put

it in these words.

>

> I have been on the candida diet for 1.5 years and learned the hard way that my

body is extremely sluggish in detoxing.

> From coconut oil (which is antifungal) I get anger w/ rage and sever joint

pain. Coconut oil is know for it's quick metabolism properties and goes thru

the liver. The regular die-off/herxermeier reaction I barely get (cold/flu

like, achy muscles)

> From caproil kit I get some die-off but no anger and severe joint pain (at low

dose) because the caproil is mixed w/ psyllium powder and bentonite thus

avoiding most of the metabolizing thru the liver (carpoil = caprylic acid from

coconut oil mixed in safflower oil)

> From MMS, after 2 weeks at only 4 drops I get anger (no rage) and severe joint

pain.

>

> The common thing is it takes 2-3 weeks to get me debilitated w/ anger and

severe joint pain after which even the smallest amount sets me off the wall.

How can I possibly find out the right dose for me??

>

> I can put up with alot but I can not put up with this anger. Anger makes the

body acidic and there is no healing in anger.

>

> Right now I'm recovering from kidney stone cystoscopy + stent and

> shockwave, the drugs from anesthesia along w/ little hydrocodone make

> me very angry, I'm ready to kill someone... This is a bad place to be...

>

> I am taking milk thistle along liver detox capsules that includes both phase I

and phase II.

> My diet is extremely clean and healthy, low carb, 6 gr or less, it's been like

that for 1.5 years.

> What more do I need to adjust??? How do I help the liver detoxify better?

Someone suggested apples, but apples have to much sugar for me.

> I do take hot baths w/ epsom salts, I do do the castor oil packs.

> Do I have a liver disease that I have nor been diagnosed with? I know I have

digestive malfunctions.

> How do I improved this metabolism? Forget exercising, I have no energy.

>

> Thanks for your input.

>

> carmen

>

> ==================================

>

> Re: new to group, question on symptoms

> Posted by: " Tanstaafl " tanstaafl@... bernardo_dela_paz

> Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:07 am (PST) The thing to understand is, when you

start feeling worse like that, it

> is your body telling you that the metabolic pathways designed to

> cleanse/detox your body is being overwhelmed.

>

[Guest guest]

> > > Hi listmantes,

> > > I'm new to the group. I have used MMS for 3 weeks and had to stop because

I experienced much anger and severe joint pain (hips). I only got to 5 drops. I

wonder if anybody else has has experienced the same.

I came across this stuff from another group and tried it. I, too, had serious

hip pain. It would wake me up at night. I never related it to using MMS, but

it originally occured around the time I'd used it.

This stuff cured the pain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetyl_myristoleate

My BF took it and it worked for him. He's not easy to convince either. We

recommend it to everyone. We bought a powder and packed it into pills. A

bottle seemed to go a long way.

Good luck!!!

, RI

[Guest guest]

what a wonderful share and find thanks so much will add this to my library.

Where do you purchase the cetyl myristoleate?

--- In , " ginlaw@... " <ginlaw@...>

wrote:

>

>

>

> > > > Hi listmantes,

> > > > I'm new to the group. I have used MMS for 3 weeks and had to stop

because I experienced much anger and severe joint pain (hips). I only got to 5

drops. I wonder if anybody else has has experienced the same.

>

> I came across this stuff from another group and tried it. I, too, had serious

hip pain. It would wake me up at night. I never related it to using MMS, but

it originally occured around the time I'd used it.

>

> This stuff cured the pain.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetyl_myristoleate

>

> My BF took it and it worked for him. He's not easy to convince either. We

recommend it to everyone. We bought a powder and packed it into pills. A

bottle seemed to go a long way.

>

> Good luck!!!

>

>

> , RI

>

[Guest guest]

On 11/18/2009, carmensa (can2cis-y@...) wrote:

> I am taking milk thistle along liver detox capsules that includes

> both phase I and phase II.

>

> What more do I need to adjust? How do I help the liver detoxify

> better?

Burbur is one of the more powerful cleansers (liver, kidneys, lymph,

blood, etc) there is:

http://www.herbalremedies.com/burbur-detox.html

One more thing I can suggest is lots of clay/charcoal slurries

(activated charcoal and sodium bentonite clay). These are extremely

powerful for detoxing both chemicals and heavy metals, and it sounds

like you may have some of that going on.

> I do take hot baths w/ epsom salts, I do do the castor oil packs. Do

> I have a liver disease that I have nor been diagnosed with? I know

> I have digestive malfunctions.

> How do I improved this metabolism? Forget exercising, I have no

> energy.

There are so many different possibilities, it is impossible to even try

to list them all...

healinghope suggested cell salts, that would be a good thing to add.

How are your Vitamin D (D3) levels? Virtually everyone in this country

is deficient, most extremely so... unless you almost live in the sun

daily, most people should take anywhere from 2,000 to 5,000 IU daily of

D3 (yes, that is a lot more than the 'RDA'), and even more in the

beginning until their levels are normalized. But, it is also strongly

recommended to get your levels checked before starting therapeutic doses

- especially if you do get lots of mid-day sun.

EFA's (essential fatty acids)? Eat lots of chia seeds, and

raw/organic/sprouted pumpkin seeds.

> My diet is extremely clean and healthy, low carb, 6 gr or less, it's

> been like that for 1.5 years.

Without lots of details on precisely what you mean when you say

'extremely clean and healthy diet', this comment doesn't mean much (no

offense).

Not saying this is you, but... I have known lots of people who think

they are eating healthy, who have fallen for one or more of the junk-fad

diets out there - or are just kidding themselves.

Obviously, if you are still having this much trouble, *something* is not

right.

[Guest guest]

try a liver gb flush to open your bile ducts.

roger

From: carmensa <can2cis-y@...>Subject: [ ] Re: new to group, question on symptoms Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 10:33 AM

Exactly what my problem is: malfunctioning detoxing pathways - if I could put it in these words.I have been on the candida diet for 1.5 years and learned the hard way that my body is extremely sluggish in detoxing. From coconut oil (which is antifungal) I get anger w/ rage and sever joint pain. Coconut oil is know for it's quick metabolism properties and goes thru the liver. The regular die-off/herxermeier reaction I barely get (cold/flu like, achy muscles)From caproil kit I get some die-off but no anger and severe joint pain (at low dose) because the caproil is mixed w/ psyllium powder and bentonite thus avoiding most of the metabolizing thru the liver (carpoil = caprylic acid from coconut oil mixed in safflower oil)From MMS, after 2 weeks at only 4 drops I get anger (no rage) and severe joint pain.The common thing is it takes 2-3 weeks to get me debilitated w/ anger and severe joint pain after which

even the smallest amount sets me off the wall. How can I possibly find out the right dose for me??I can put up with alot but I can not put up with this anger. Anger makes the body acidic and there is no healing in anger.Right now I'm recovering from kidney stone cystoscopy + stent and shockwave, the drugs from anesthesia along w/ little hydrocodone make me very angry, I'm ready to kill someone... This is a bad place to be...I am taking milk thistle along liver detox capsules that includes both phase I and phase II.My diet is extremely clean and healthy, low carb, 6 gr or less, it's been like that for 1.5 years.What more do I need to adjust??? How do I help the liver detoxify better? Someone suggested apples, but apples have to much sugar for me.I do take hot baths w/ epsom salts, I do do the castor oil packs.Do I have a liver disease that I have nor been diagnosed with? I know I have

digestive malfunctions.How do I improved this metabolism? Forget exercising, I have no energy.Thanks for your input.carmen============ ========= ========= ====

Re: new to group, question on symptoms

Posted by: "Tanstaafl" tanstaafl@libertytr ek.org bernardo_dela_ paz

Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:07 am (PST) The thing to understand is, when you start feeling worse like that, itis your body telling you that the metabolic pathways designed tocleanse/detox your body is being overwhelmed.

[Guest guest]

On 11/18/2009, healinghope (mfrreman@...) wrote:

> what a wonderful share and find thanks so much will add this to

> my library. Where do you purchase the cetyl myristoleate?

In case you didn't know, this is more commonly called 'CMO'...

[Guest guest]

Apple pecttin may help mop up your toxins faster. You can buy the pectin or just eat apples.

Wilkins

http://myorganicacres.com/index.php?id=3794

Join Granny Warrior in a freedom loving intentional community for safety in troubled times.

http://www.freedomisnotdead.org/freedom.htm

use me as the referal to save $100 on a campsite or $500 on an acre

From: carmensa <can2cis-y@...>Subject: [ ] Re: new to group, question on symptoms Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 11:33 AM

Exactly what my problem is: malfunctioning detoxing pathways - if I could put it in these words.I have been on the candida diet for 1.5 years and learned the hard way that my body is extremely sluggish in detoxing. From coconut oil (which is antifungal) I get anger w/ rage and sever joint pain. Coconut oil is know for it's quick metabolism properties and goes thru the liver. The regular die-off/herxermeier reaction I barely get (cold/flu like, achy muscles)From caproil kit I get some die-off but no anger and severe joint pain (at low dose) because the caproil is mixed w/ psyllium powder and bentonite thus avoiding most of the metabolizing thru the liver (carpoil = caprylic acid from coconut oil mixed in safflower oil)From MMS, after 2 weeks at only 4 drops I get anger (no rage) and severe joint pain.The common thing is it takes 2-3 weeks to get me debilitated w/ anger and severe joint pain after which

even the smallest amount sets me off the wall. How can I possibly find out the right dose for me??I can put up with alot but I can not put up with this anger. Anger makes the body acidic and there is no healing in anger.Right now I'm recovering from kidney stone cystoscopy + stent and shockwave, the drugs from anesthesia along w/ little hydrocodone make me very angry, I'm ready to kill someone... This is a bad place to be...I am taking milk thistle along liver detox capsules that includes both phase I and phase II.My diet is extremely clean and healthy, low carb, 6 gr or less, it's been like that for 1.5 years.What more do I need to adjust??? How do I help the liver detoxify better? Someone suggested apples, but apples have to much sugar for me.I do take hot baths w/ epsom salts, I do do the castor oil packs.Do I have a liver disease that I have nor been diagnosed with? I know I have

digestive malfunctions.How do I improved this metabolism? Forget exercising, I have no energy.Thanks for your input.carmen============ ========= ========= ====

Re: new to group, question on symptoms

Posted by: "Tanstaafl" tanstaafl@libertytr ek.org bernardo_dela_ paz

Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:07 am (PST) The thing to understand is, when you start feeling worse like that, itis your body telling you that the metabolic pathways designed tocleanse/detox your body is being overwhelmed.

[Guest guest]

There are some people who have a hard time ridding their bodies of the toxins . You may have to go very slow.Im sure last year someone else had this problem.look in the past messages at the group.

Wilkins

http://myorganicacres.com/index.php?id=3794

Join Granny Warrior in a freedom loving intentional community for safety in troubled times.

http://www.freedomisnotdead.org/freedom.htm

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From: carmensa <can2cis-y@...>Subject: [ ] Re: new to group, question on symptoms Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 11:33 AM

Exactly what my problem is: malfunctioning detoxing pathways - if I could put it in these words.I have been on the candida diet for 1.5 years and learned the hard way that my body is extremely sluggish in detoxing. From coconut oil (which is antifungal) I get anger w/ rage and sever joint pain. Coconut oil is know for it's quick metabolism properties and goes thru the liver. The regular die-off/herxermeier reaction I barely get (cold/flu like, achy muscles)From caproil kit I get some die-off but no anger and severe joint pain (at low dose) because the caproil is mixed w/ psyllium powder and bentonite thus avoiding most of the metabolizing thru the liver (carpoil = caprylic acid from coconut oil mixed in safflower oil)From MMS, after 2 weeks at only 4 drops I get anger (no rage) and severe joint pain.The common thing is it takes 2-3 weeks to get me debilitated w/ anger and severe joint pain after which

even the smallest amount sets me off the wall. How can I possibly find out the right dose for me??I can put up with alot but I can not put up with this anger. Anger makes the body acidic and there is no healing in anger.Right now I'm recovering from kidney stone cystoscopy + stent and shockwave, the drugs from anesthesia along w/ little hydrocodone make me very angry, I'm ready to kill someone... This is a bad place to be...I am taking milk thistle along liver detox capsules that includes both phase I and phase II.My diet is extremely clean and healthy, low carb, 6 gr or less, it's been like that for 1.5 years.What more do I need to adjust??? How do I help the liver detoxify better? Someone suggested apples, but apples have to much sugar for me.I do take hot baths w/ epsom salts, I do do the castor oil packs.Do I have a liver disease that I have nor been diagnosed with? I know I have

digestive malfunctions.How do I improved this metabolism? Forget exercising, I have no energy.Thanks for your input.carmen============ ========= ========= ====

Re: new to group, question on symptoms

Posted by: "Tanstaafl" tanstaafl@libertytr ek.org bernardo_dela_ paz

Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:07 am (PST) The thing to understand is, when you start feeling worse like that, itis your body telling you that the metabolic pathways designed tocleanse/detox your body is being overwhelmed.

[Guest guest]

On 11/18/2009, Wilkins (montemomma2002@...) wrote:

> Apple pecttin may help mop up your toxins faster. You can buy the

> pectin or just eat apples.

I had forgotten about pectin - thanks ...

I used to add that to my clay/charcoal slurries a long time ago... time

to go buy some more...

[Guest guest]

Hi Carmen,

That good fiery energy is very useful, but not when it is blocked or

stored within you, and not when it thrown outwards and becomes

destructive, and not when it is turned down inside and becomes

depression. It is the drive and fire, the forward going action, that is

what is getting you to health.

There are a few good ways of dealing with the powerful force of action,

If it is someone or a situation then do a wish. wish him luck so that you

in turn may be lucky. Or joy for the other so that joy can be yours.

EFT is an excellent tool worth the short learning. Down load the free

manual at www.emofree.com There you will find many articles and plenty

support. and maybe a practitioner near you.

OK,

Tony

On 18 Nov 2009 at 8:33, carmensa wrote about :

Subject : [ ] Re: new to group, qu

> Exactly what my problem is: malfunctioning detoxing pathways - if I could

> put it in these words.

>

> I have been on the candida diet for 1.5 years and learned the hard way

> that my body is extremely sluggish in detoxing. >From coconut oil (which

> is antifungal) I get anger w/ rage and sever joint pain. Coconut oil is

> know for it's quick metabolism properties and goes thru the liver. The

> regular die-off/herxermeier reaction I barely get (cold/flu like, achy

> muscles) >From caproil kit I get some die-off but no anger and severe

> joint pain (at low dose) because the caproil is mixed w/ psyllium powder

> and bentonite thus avoiding most of the metabolizing thru the liver

> (carpoil = caprylic acid from coconut oil mixed in safflower oil) >From

> MMS, after 2 weeks at only 4 drops I get anger (no rage) and severe joint

> pain.

>

> The common thing is it takes 2-3 weeks to get me debilitated w/ anger and

> severe joint pain after which even the smallest amount sets me off the

> wall. How can I possibly find out the right dose for me??

>

> I can put up with alot but I can not put up with this anger. Anger makes

> the body acidic and there is no healing in anger.

>

> Right now I'm recovering from kidney stone cystoscopy + stent and

> shockwave, the drugs from anesthesia along w/ little hydrocodone make me

> very angry, I'm ready to kill someone... This is a bad place to be...

>

> I am taking milk thistle along liver detox capsules that includes both

> phase I and phase II. My diet is extremely clean and healthy, low carb, 6

> gr or less, it's been like that for 1.5 years. What more do I need to

> adjust??? How do I help the liver detoxify better? Someone suggested

> apples, but apples have to much sugar for me. I do take hot baths w/ epsom

> salts, I do do the castor oil packs. Do I have a liver disease that I have

> nor been diagnosed with? I know I have digestive malfunctions. How do I

> improved this metabolism? Forget exercising, I have no energy.

>

> Thanks for your input.

>

> carmen

>

> ==================================

>

> Re: new to group, question on symptoms

> Posted by: " Tanstaafl " tanstaafl@... bernardo_dela_paz

> Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:07 am (PST) The thing to understand is, when

> you start feeling worse like that, it is your body telling you that the

> metabolic pathways designed to cleanse/detox your body is being

> overwhelmed.

[Guest guest]

> > I have been reducing to get around the nausea, which is often and

> > strong. Are you suggesting I reduce as well for Herkimer/ cleansing

> > reactions too? ( i.e; coughing,headache,joint pain, etc)

>

> Heh - you can answer this question yourself - does the above fall in the

> category of 'feeling WORSE'?

>

> > Would I conceivably get less reactions from a consistent lower dose

> > throughout the day?

>

> Thats the idea...

>

> > But would that reduce the potential benefits and prolong my situation

> > considerably? I understand the " no pain, no gain " premise, but don't

> > want to do so unneccesarily.

>

> The thing to understand is, when you start feeling worse like that, it

> is your body telling you that the metabolic pathways designed to

> cleanse/detox your body is being overwhelmed.

>

> So, now ask yourself the above question with that in mind.

>

> > And, if I get it right, the suggested protocol would be about 1-3

> > drops 8 times a day instead of 8drops x 3.

>

> Yes - but this isn't absolute. You could stretch it to 10 or even 12

> hours per day if you wanted. The main thing to remember is, use how you

> are feeling to adjust the amount/frequency.

>

> If 3 drops, 8 times per day makes you feel bad, but 2 drops 12

> times/hours per day doesn't - well, you do the math.

>

> > And increase from there when there is no discomfort. Thank you all

> > again for your input, and your patience.

>

> I wouldn't exactly say you should freak out and lower the dose if you

> feel *any* discomfort whatsoever... but yes, if you start feeling worse,

> and it doesn't go away by the next dose, then lower that next dose. A

> transient (lasting a few minutes) headache or slight feeling of nausea

> isn't the same thing as the same thing lasting hours.

There has been a wealth of information put forth for both myself and Carmen that

is surely to be a help. More practical stuff than I had found on other research.

Thank you all for your time and volunteering this help. I appreciate it. I'm

sure to be back with more questions as I try some of these ideas.

Jane

[Guest guest]

Homeopathic medicine for anger.

http://elixirs.com/remedy.htm#keynotes

Anger:

- -pushes himself & others too hard Nux Vomica 30C

- -menopausal Stramonium Complex 10X

- -suppressed or anger from past abuse Staphysagria 30C

- -sudden outburstStramonium 30C

--- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@...>

wrote:

>

> I would try and add the oil pull with coconut oil to you healing and also cell

salts for the anger and tension.

> http://www.oilpulling.com/

> http://www.elixirs.com/cellsalts.cfm

>

> --- In , carmensa <can2cis-y@>

wrote:

> >

> > Exactly what my problem is: malfunctioning detoxing pathways - if I could

put it in these words.

> >

> > I have been on the candida diet for 1.5 years and learned the hard way that

my body is extremely sluggish in detoxing.

> > From coconut oil (which is antifungal) I get anger w/ rage and sever joint

pain. Coconut oil is know for it's quick metabolism properties and goes thru

the liver. The regular die-off/herxermeier reaction I barely get (cold/flu

like, achy muscles)

> > From caproil kit I get some die-off but no anger and severe joint pain (at

low dose) because the caproil is mixed w/ psyllium powder and bentonite thus

avoiding most of the metabolizing thru the liver (carpoil = caprylic acid from

coconut oil mixed in safflower oil)

> > From MMS, after 2 weeks at only 4 drops I get anger (no rage) and severe

joint pain.

> >

> > The common thing is it takes 2-3 weeks to get me debilitated w/ anger and

severe joint pain after which even the smallest amount sets me off the wall.

How can I possibly find out the right dose for me??

> >

> > I can put up with alot but I can not put up with this anger. Anger makes

the body acidic and there is no healing in anger.

> >

> > Right now I'm recovering from kidney stone cystoscopy + stent and

> > shockwave, the drugs from anesthesia along w/ little hydrocodone make

> > me very angry, I'm ready to kill someone... This is a bad place to be...

> >

> > I am taking milk thistle along liver detox capsules that includes both phase

I and phase II.

> > My diet is extremely clean and healthy, low carb, 6 gr or less, it's been

like that for 1.5 years.

> > What more do I need to adjust??? How do I help the liver detoxify better?

Someone suggested apples, but apples have to much sugar for me.

> > I do take hot baths w/ epsom salts, I do do the castor oil packs.

> > Do I have a liver disease that I have nor been diagnosed with? I know I

have digestive malfunctions.

> > How do I improved this metabolism? Forget exercising, I have no energy.

> >

> > Thanks for your input.

> >

> > carmen

> >

> > ==================================

> >

> > Re: new to group, question on symptoms

> > Posted by: " Tanstaafl " tanstaafl@ bernardo_dela_paz

> > Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:07 am (PST) The thing to understand is, when you

start feeling worse like that, it

> > is your body telling you that the metabolic pathways designed to

> > cleanse/detox your body is being overwhelmed.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > I have been reducing to get around the nausea, which is often and

> > strong. Are you suggesting I reduce as well for Herkimer/ cleansing

> > reactions too? ( i.e; coughing,headache,joint pain, etc)

>

> Heh - you can answer this question yourself - does the above fall in the

> category of 'feeling WORSE'?

>

> > Would I conceivably get less reactions from a consistent lower dose

> > throughout the day?

>

> Thats the idea...

>

> > But would that reduce the potential benefits and prolong my situation

> > considerably? I understand the " no pain, no gain " premise, but don't

> > want to do so unneccesarily.

>

> The thing to understand is, when you start feeling worse like that, it

> is your body telling you that the metabolic pathways designed to

> cleanse/detox your body is being overwhelmed.

>

> So, now ask yourself the above question with that in mind.

>

> > And, if I get it right, the suggested protocol would be about 1-3

> > drops 8 times a day instead of 8drops x 3.

>

> Yes - but this isn't absolute. You could stretch it to 10 or even 12

> hours per day if you wanted. The main thing to remember is, use how you

> are feeling to adjust the amount/frequency.

>

> If 3 drops, 8 times per day makes you feel bad, but 2 drops 12

> times/hours per day doesn't - well, you do the math.

>

> > And increase from there when there is no discomfort. Thank you all

> > again for your input, and your patience.

>

> I wouldn't exactly say you should freak out and lower the dose if you

> feel *any* discomfort whatsoever... but yes, if you start feeling worse,

> and it doesn't go away by the next dose, then lower that next dose. A

> transient (lasting a few minutes) headache or slight feeling of nausea

> isn't the same thing as the same thing lasting hours.

There has been a wealth of information put forth for both myself and Carmen that

is surely to be a help. More practical stuff than I had found on other research.

Thank you all for your time and volunteering this help. I appreciate it. I'm

sure to be back with more questions as I try some of these ideas.

Jane

[Guest guest]

Where do you purchase the cetyl myristoleate?

>

100g CM Powder $12.00 & $5.00 s/h

Beyone A Century, Inc

173 Lily Bay Rd

Greenville, Me

1-800-777-1324

> >

> > Good luck!!!

> >

> >

> > , RI

> >

>