laser eye surgery

[Guest guest]

Hi Mel I am finding the users group very informative, especially your point on laser eye surgery. I have been speaking to some of the members in the health club where I work, and 2 or 3 I have spoken to say they have had it and it works.

But, as you have pointed out, even if there is a 1% chance of damaging your eyes it is not worth going for the surgery.

All the very Best

Shapiro

Johannesburg, S Africa

[Guest guest]

Thanks for confirming my own considerably less-informed prejudices about

that. Now I just have to deal with people tell me to get contact lenses.

Cheers

Mike

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> Laser Eye Surgery

>

>

> In a letter which I wrote last year I commented that, in the

> light of the

> fact that laser surgery for the eyes is relatively new and extensive

> long-term studies have not yet been completed, I would rather

> remain with my

> titanium-framed, high impact plastic glasses than subject

> myself to the

> uncertainties of laser surgery. I reasoned that, even if the

> untoward

> side-effects afflicted only about 3-5 percent of the clients,

> I still would not

> wish to expose my extremely valuable vision to the slightest risk

> whatsoever. The following article from the 2001 Bottom Line

> Year Book simply

> reinforces my reigning caution, even if some people extol the

> virtues of

> being beautiful and glassless.

>

> Laser Surgery vs Night Driving

>

> Dr W Jory

> Consultant Eye Surgeon

> London Centre for Refractive Surgery

>

> " Vision-correcting laser surgery can make night driving

> dangerous. Two to

> seven years after undergoing photo-refractive keratectomy

> (PRK), 56% of

> patients failed a contrast sensitivity test that measured

> their ability to

> see clearly at night.

>

> Apparently, laser surgery may damage the stroma, the corneal

> layer that is

> responsible for night vision. Researchers fear that the

> reduced night vision

> is permanent. LASIK,a vision-correcting procedure similar to

> PRK, could

> cause comparable problems. "

>

> ----------------

>

> Dr Mel C Siff

> Denver, USA

> Supertraining/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

For what it's worth, based on my personal experience, I think this should be

a legitimate concern.

I had Lasik four and a half years ago, and I'm certain I don't see as well

at night. It's easy for me to avoid driving long distances after dark (I

live three miles from work), but for others considering Lasik this could be

a much bigger problem.

That said, I have to add it's much more fun to play sports without glasses.

It's incredible what a little peripheral vision can add to one's athletic

ability.

Lou Schuler

town, PA

Laser Eye Surgery

In a letter which I wrote last year I commented that, in the light of the

fact that laser surgery for the eyes is relatively new and extensive

long-term studies have not yet been completed, I would rather remain with my

titanium-framed, high impact plastic glasses than subject myself to the

uncertainties of laser surgery. I reasoned that, even if the untoward

side-effects afflicted only about 3-5 percent of the clients, I still would

not

wish to expose my extremely valuable vision to the slightest risk

whatsoever. The following article from the 2001 Bottom Line Year Book

simply

reinforces my reigning caution, even if some people extol the virtues of

being beautiful and glassless.

Laser Surgery vs Night Driving

Dr W Jory

Consultant Eye Surgeon

London Centre for Refractive Surgery

" Vision-correcting laser surgery can make night driving dangerous. Two to

seven years after undergoing photo-refractive keratectomy (PRK), 56% of

patients failed a contrast sensitivity test that measured their ability to

see clearly at night.

Apparently, laser surgery may damage the stroma, the corneal layer that is

responsible for night vision. Researchers fear that the reduced night

vision

is permanent. LASIK,a vision-correcting procedure similar to PRK, could

cause comparable problems. "

----------------

Dr Mel C Siff

Denver, USA

Supertraining/

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[Guest guest]

I had Lasik about 2.5 years ago. I get " halos " around lights at night. At

first, this made driving at night difficult but it quickly improved. The

halos still exist but they are an extremely minor annoyance compared to the

freedom I feel now. At this point, I still feel like my vision could be

slightly better... but I'm constantly amazed at how my vision is better than

people around me. I'm slightly better than 20/20 when I was -6.5 (mylars?).

However, one thing that I've found a little distressing is that I used to

have the ability to take my glasses off (or take out my contacts) and I

could work with very small detailed things easily. I don't have that

ability to see extremely small things anymore. I don't know if that was a

function of my near sightedness, a side effect of my Lasik surgery, or my

increasing age.

.... Gobi Desert..

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From: Schuler, Lou

For what it's worth, based on my personal experience, I think this should

be a legitimate concern.

I had Lasik four and a half years ago, and I'm certain I don't see as well

at night. It's easy for me to avoid driving long distances after dark (I

live three miles from work), but for others considering Lasik this could be

a much bigger problem.

That said, I have to add it's much more fun to play sports without glasses.

It's incredible what a little peripheral vision can add to one's athletic

ability.

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From: Mcsiff@...:

In a letter which I wrote last year I commented that, in the light of the

fact that laser surgery for the eyes is relatively new and extensive

long-term studies have not yet been completed, I would rather remain with my

titanium-framed, high impact plastic glasses than subject myself to the

uncertainties of laser surgery. I reasoned that, even if the untoward

side-effects afflicted only about 3-5 percent of the clients, I still would

not

wish to expose my extremely valuable vision to the slightest risk

whatsoever. The following article from the 2001 Bottom Line Year Book simply

reinforces my reigning caution, even if some people extol the virtues of

being beautiful and glassless.

Laser Surgery vs Night Driving

Dr W Jory

Consultant Eye Surgeon

London Centre for Refractive Surgery

" Vision-correcting laser surgery can make night driving dangerous. Two to

seven years after undergoing photo-refractive keratectomy (PRK), 56% of

patients failed a contrast sensitivity test that measured their ability to

see clearly at night.

Apparently, laser surgery may damage the stroma, the corneal layer that is

responsible for night vision. Researchers fear that the reduced night

vision

is permanent. LASIK,a vision-correcting procedure similar to PRK, could

cause comparable problems. "

----------------

Dr Mel C Siff

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> However, one thing that I've found a little distressing is that I used to

> have the ability to take my glasses off (or take out my contacts) and I

> could work with very small detailed things easily. I don't have that

> ability to see extremely small things anymore. I don't know if that was a

> function of my near sightedness, a side effect of my Lasik surgery, or my

> increasing age.

wrote:

,

I've had the same problem ever since I was able to improve my vision

(using Vision Freedom). I used to be myopic (-4.75 and -6.75) but

also be able to do close work (sometimes very close work...) for long

amounts of time. Ever since I've been 20/20, my ability to do close

work has not been as good. But I don't mind! Remember that the

myopic eye, although it doesn't see things far away very well, is

quite suited for near work. But it is usually an adaptation

resulting from too much close work for long periods of time. So you

pick what you like most.

[Not being able to do close work presents a very serious handicap for anyone

who does art work, fine hobby crafts, philately, electronic construction and

anything else that often compels one to work within a few inches of the job.

This side-effect should be emphasized by eye surgeons to anyone who is

contemplating laser eye surgery. Since I enjoy art and other fine work, a

side-effect like that would lower my quality of life enormously. Mel Siff]

I know that for myself, being able to wake up without having to look for my

glasses, or not having my eyes dry

out at night from my contacts, or being able to surf or play

basketball without having to worry about contacts, or glasses, beats

my being able to do near work. The human eye was simply not meant to

do long periods of close range tasks and myopia, as such, is even

more frequent in our modern age.

Lépine

Vancouver BC

[Guest guest]

Another problem I have heard of, but not researched myself, is apparently a

regulation restricting the area operated on to a 6mm diameter circle.

Young' folks' pupils dilate to about 7mm in dim light and the step-like edge

of the area treated becomes a major optical defect, causing halos around

bright lights, etc. The effect is not present when the pupil diameter is

less than that of the altered region of the cornea.

This would make a contra-indication for corneal laser surgery for

astronomers and anyone who needs good vision in low light. As one ages, the

maximum pupil diameter decreases, so that corneal laser surgery becomes a

viable option for many later in life. I would consult an opthalmologist

before undergoing the surgery.

Simon Walsh

Head of Physics

St 's College, Box BW 600, Borrowdale, Harare, ZIMBABWE

Tel +263-4-885102/ 885192

Cell +263-23-517730

FAX +263-4-882779

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Harare Centre of the Astronomical Society of Southern Africa

Box UA 428 Union Avenue, Harare, Zimbabwe

http://www.geocities.com/zimastro

wrote:

> However, one thing that I've found a little distressing is that I used to

> have the ability to take my glasses off (or take out my contacts) and I

> could work with very small detailed things easily. I don't have that

> ability to see extremely small things anymore. I don't know if that was a

> function of my near sightedness, a side effect of my Lasik surgery, or my

> increasing age.

[Not being able to do close work presents a very serious handicap for anyone

who does art work, fine hobby crafts, philately, electronic construction and

anything else that often compels one to work within a few inches of the job.

This side-effect should be emphasized by eye surgeons to anyone who is

contemplating laser eye surgery. Since I enjoy art and other fine work, a

side-effect like that would lower my quality of life enormously. Mel Siff]

[Guest guest]

I have two friends (twins) who had Lasik done about 3 years ago. They had

been quite nearsighted since their early teen years and always wore glasses

or contacts. One also had a slight astigmatism. They have been extremely

happy with the results, but they did a great deal of research on doctors and

interviewed a couple before deciding on who to have perform the surgery.

They do have to wear reading glasses, however, but find this a small price

to pay.

Not being a doctor or a scientist, I can't say for certain, but from my own

experience in becoming slightly nearsighted in middle-age, and from talking

to my optometrist, I offer the following. The problem, with or without

Lasik, is that as we age, our eyes somewhat lose the ability to accommodate

to distance. This is known as presbyopia. You can have quite good vision yet

require

reading glasses or distance glasses, although they won't be very strong.

Since Lasik makes no claims to be able to solve the accommodation problem,

it appears that people who have been brought back to 20:20 from being very

nearsighted will probably still require glasses when doing close work.

[Why spend money on taking you back to square one if you are a person who

does a great deal of close work? Mel Siff]

---------

Rosemary Wedderburn-Vernon

Marina del Rey, CA

IronRoses@...

[Guest guest]

> Re: Laser Eye Surgery

>

>

> wrote:

>

>> However, one thing that I've found a little distressing is that I used to

>> have the ability to take my glasses off (or take out my contacts) and I

>> could work with very small detailed things easily. I don't have that

>> ability to see extremely small things anymore. I don't know if that was

a

>> function of my near sightedness, a side effect of my Lasik surgery, or my

>> increasing age.

>

> wrote:

>

>,

>

>I've had the same problem ever since I was able to improve my vision

>(using Vision Freedom). I used to be myopic (-4.75 and -6.75) but

>also be able to do close work (sometimes very close work...) for long

>amounts of time. Ever since I've been 20/20, my ability to do close

>work has not been as good. But I don't mind! Remember that the

>myopic eye, although it doesn't see things far away very well, is

>quite suited for near work. But it is usually an adaptation

>resulting from too much close work for long periods of time. So you

>pick what you like most.

>

>[Not being able to do close work presents a very serious handicap for

anyone

>who does art work, fine hobby crafts, philately, electronic construction

and

>anything else that often compels one to work within a few inches of the

job.

>This side-effect should be emphasized by eye surgeons to anyone who is

>contemplating laser eye surgery. Since I enjoy art and other fine work, a

>side-effect like that would lower my quality of life enormously. Mel Siff]

As I said, it was an unexpected result. As purely a hobby, I draw and it

was very odd the first time I went to work on something close up and

realized I was too close. I had NEVER been too close before.

>

>I know that for myself, being able to wake up without having to look for my

>glasses, or not having my eyes dry

>out at night from my contacts, or being able to surf or play

>basketball without having to worry about contacts, or glasses, beats

>my being able to do near work. The human eye was simply not meant to

>do long periods of close range tasks and myopia, as such, is even

>more frequent in our modern age.

Prior to the Lasik, I had considered my myopia a curse. But after careful

reflection, it definitely provided some advantages of which I had been

unaware prior to surgery. I'm happy with the results of my surgery but I'd

definitely caution someone before making the same choice I made.

(the ninja of nice)

Yardley, PA, USA

[Guest guest]

I'm just glad I didn't hear all this information about losing night vision

and not being able to do close work prior to my surgery. I had it done and

have no complications at all. I have excellent night vision (two years

after the surgery), have no problems with halos and require no reading

glasses. I'm not sure my ability to do 'close work' has been impaired since

really all I do is read.

If I'd read then what I have now I'd probably not get it done since I

wasn't severely near-sighted. As it turns out, it was one of the best things

I've ever had done. No need for glasses, contacts, anything. I can swim and

play sports without worrying about taking out a contact or losing or

breaking my glasses. Nothing to clean. Its been good for me. But that is

only one person's experience. I'd do it again in a flash knowing the

results would be the same.

[Forgive me for sounding like an angel of doom, but two years is hardly a fair

trial for

any new medical procedure, especially if it is for a non life-threatening

situation. Before I

would contemplate that sort of novel procedure, I would like to see the results

over at least

15 years, because eyes are invaluable possessions that need to work as well as

possible for

one's entire lifetime. If one requires laser eye surgery to save one's vision,

then it is worth

using, but for cosmetics and convenience, a good quality pair of glasses works

extremely

well - and they make you look sexier and a lot more intelligent Mel Siff ]

Hobman

Saskatoon, Canada

[Guest guest]

[Not being able to do close work presents a very serious handicap

for anyone

who does art work, fine hobby crafts, philately, electronic

construction and

anything else that often compels one to work within a few inches of

the job.

This side-effect should be emphasized by eye surgeons to anyone who

is

contemplating laser eye surgery. Since I enjoy art and other fine

work, a

side-effect like that would lower my quality of life enormously.

Mel Siff]

I can only agree with this! Which is why I said that in the end,

it's the individual's choice really. If you do long hours of near

work, just be aware that it's a good idea to try and look away in the

distance every now and then, just to relax your eye muscles (it's

just like the recommendation to change positions, stand up and

stretch every now and then if you find your work requires you to sit

down for long hours at a time...) Or if you prefer, someone wanting

to conserve his/her far vision could use reading glasses to do near

work. That would then permit this individual to prevent becoming

myopic and not having to wear glasses every day and all day.

Glasses, I find, can't be as much of a nuisance if you have to use

them for close work only as opposed to having to use them, for

example when playing basketball... And anyway, the techniques I used

to correct my myopia can just as well be used to correct

farsighteness. So I have even more choices... I also enjoy near

work (art welding and sculpting) and so also appreciate having good

near vision. I just know now what are the effects of doing long

hours of near work on my eyesight and know how to work my way around

these.

Lépine

Vancouver BC

[Guest guest]

" Simon Walsh " <sciman@s...> wrote:

> Another problem I have heard of, but not researched myself, is apparently a

> regulation restricting the area operated on to a 6mm diameter circle.

> Young' folks' pupils dilate to about 7mm in dim light and the step-like edge

> of the area treated becomes a major optical defect, causing halos around

> bright lights, etc. The effect is not present when the pupil diameter is

> less than that of the altered region of the cornea.

>

> This would make a contra-indication for corneal laser surgery for

> astronomers and anyone who needs good vision in low light. As one ages, the

> maximum pupil diameter decreases, so that corneal laser surgery becomes a

> viable option for many later in life. I would consult an opthalmologist

> before undergoing the surgery.

wrote:

Not that I am promoting any king of laser eye surgery here! It's

just that I had contemplated this procedure before and have always

kept myself well informed. I was one of those patients with too big

pupils (over 9mm) to get the surgery done so I never did. But I had

asked the clinic to keep me posted on any new interventions (just in

case...) and have always kept myself up to date.

Anyway, just to clarify a few things here. The original Lasik used a large

fixed-

beam laser wich only worked 7-7.5mm of the cornea. Now, anyone with

pupils larger than 6mm was (or at least should have been) turned

down, for fear of halos due to the different refracting factors of

the treated area compared with the untreated one.

A newer technique as come up though in the last months. It's called Total

Cornea Lasik

and it uses a scanning spot laser which can now treat the entire

cornea, meaning up to a diameter of 10mm. This then should eliminate

any night problems and this is what it claims, at least. I don't need surgery

anymore so I'm definitely not getting it done. But for people maybe

considering it, light on this new information might make a few more

happy glassless or contactless individuals...

Lépine

Vancouver BC

[Guest guest]

" Rosemary Wedderburn-Vernon " <IronRoses@e...> wrote:

> I have two friends (twins) who had Lasik done about 3 years ago. They had

> been quite nearsighted since their early teen years and always wore glasses

> or contacts. One also had a slight astigmatism. They have been extremely

> happy with the results, but they did a great deal of research on doctors and

> interviewed a couple before deciding on who to have perform the surgery.

> They do have to wear reading glasses, however, but find this a small price

> to pay.

>

> Not being a doctor or a scientist, I can't say for certain, but from my own

> experience in becoming slightly nearsighted in middle-age, and from talking

> to my optometrist, I offer the following. The problem, with or without

> Lasik, is that as we age, our eyes somewhat lose the ability to accommodate

> to distance. This is known as presbyopia. You can have quite good vision

yet require

> reading glasses or distance glasses, although they won't be very strong.

>

> Since Lasik makes no claims to be able to solve the accommodation problem,

> it appears that people who have been brought back to 20:20 from being very

> nearsighted will probably still require glasses when doing close work.

wrote:

I have cured my myopia (nearsightedness) with certain techniques and

I know personnally of other people who have done the same or cured

farsightedness. These techniques also work for astigmatism and

presbyopia, although I don't know of anyone personnally who has done that.

[Would you care to share these techniques with needy members of this list?

Many years ago, one of the famous Huxley brothers wrote a book on " Sight

without Glasses " and in it he described a whole variety of exercises that my

late

Dad (who was very myopic) tried without success. Maybe there is now something

better? Mel Siff]

Now as for your optometrist stating that you may need glasses at a

certain point in your life (although very weak ones) no matter what,

it's what most of them are trained to say and do: sell glasses and

sometimes stronger and stronger ones every time you go back... and

this, especially if you have bad close work habits (did your eye

doctor ever tell you you should never read or do close work with your

myopia curing glasses or contacts???)

Glasses are crutches and most of the time, don't help to or do much to regain

your vision. (That's

unfortunate since if you do a bit of research, you'll find that

optometrist once used glasses as TOOLS to regain your vision and were

taught these techniques in school; but not anymore... Not profitable enough...

Educate yourself, my friends. Believe, something can be

done about this...)The problem with Lasik (among the MANY other

problems) is the fact that yes, it might cure myopia, but it won't do

anything for presbyopia in the long run, and may even worsen it

compared with if you hadn't gotten the surgery in the first place!

> [Why spend money on taking you back to square one if you are a person who

> does a great deal of close work? Mel Siff]

Choices, choices...

Lépine

Vancouver BC

[Guest guest]

> I'm just glad I didn't hear all this information about losing night vision

> and not being able to do close work prior to my surgery. I had it done and

> have no complications at all. I have excellent night vision (two years

> after the surgery), have no problems with halos and require no reading

> glasses. I'm not sure my ability to do 'close work' has been impaired

since

> really all I do is read.

FWIW, my wife didn't develop halos and night vision issues until her third

year post-op.

>

> If I'd read then what I have now I'd probably not get it done since I

> wasn't severely near-sighted. As it turns out, it was one of the best

things

> I've ever had done. No need for glasses, contacts, anything. I can swim

and

> play sports without worrying about taking out a contact or losing or

> breaking my glasses. Nothing to clean. Its been good for me. But that is

> only one person's experience. I'd do it again in a flash knowing the

> results would be the same.

You may be one of the lucky ones. If my wife had it to do over again she

would elect to continue to wear glasses.

>

> [Forgive me for sounding like an angel of doom, but two years is hardly a

fair trial for

> any new medical procedure, especially if it is for a non life-threatening

situation. Before I

> would contemplate that sort of novel procedure, I would like to see the

results over at least

> 15 years, because eyes are invaluable possessions that need to work as

well as possible for

> one's entire lifetime. If one requires laser eye surgery to save one's

vision, then it is worth

> using, but for cosmetics and convenience, a good quality pair of glasses

works extremely

> well - and they make you look sexier and a lot more intelligent Mel

Siff ]

>

If only I had access to this type of information exchange years ago.....

Evan Shochat

Lawrence, MA

[Guest guest]

Mel says:

> [Forgive me for sounding like an angel of doom, but two years is hardly a fair

trial for any new medical procedure, especially if it is for a non

life-threatening

situation. Before I would contemplate that sort of novel procedure, I would like

to see the

results over at least 15 years, because eyes are invaluable possessions that

need to work as well as possible for one's entire lifetime. If one requires

laser eye surgery to save one's

vision, then it is worth using, but for cosmetics and convenience, a good

quality pair of glasses works extremely well - and they make you look sexier and

a lot more intelligent Mel Siff ]<

I had a series of RK surgeries in the late 80's to correct -5.75 and -6.50

myopia, both with severe astigmatism. I see perfectly now, night vision is not a

problem, no starbursts, no halos. I had zero complications and no problems.

I'm extremely happy and consider it a very good thing but I was fortunate to

have a very good doctor. This was when the eximer laser was being trialed. My

doctor wouldn't even consider using such a device. I suspect that if he's still

practicing, he's not using lasers but still doing conventional RK.

If I had it to do over again, I would opt for the RK if done by the same doctor.

I wouldn't go with the laser PRK but that point of view would be subject to

change, depending upon what I learned of the procedure. At this point I know

little about it and have no need to learn. I'm perfectly well satisfied with my

vision. I did have to start using +1 diopter reading glasses a few years ago but

when you're nearly 50, that happens...even if nearsighted. Isn't that what

bifocals are for?

A good pair of glasses to correct 20/400 vision or beyond is no good deal and

those coke bottles certainly don't make you look sexy.

DW Hines

Pensacola FL

[Guest guest]

wrote:

I have cured my myopia (nearsightedness) with certain techniques and

I know personnally of other people who have done the same or cured

farsightedness. These techniques also work for astigmatism and

presbyopia, although I don't know of anyone personnally who has done

that.

[Would you care to share these techniques with needy members of this

list?

Many years ago, one of the famous Huxley brothers wrote a book

on " Sight

without Glasses " and in it he described a whole variety of exercises

that my late

Dad (who was very myopic) tried without success. Maybe there is now

something

better? Mel Siff]

wrote:

Absolutely not! Just kidding :-) Actually I'd love to but it is a

program developped by a very well meaning engineer and the program

is called Vision Freedom (I posted some info on it a year ago I

think). You could always get some more info directly from him at

vison@....

Basically though, it is a program that unlike Huxley's (or Bates more

popular program for that matter), isn't based on some

simple " relaxation " exercises or wearing of pin-hole glasses. It

uses a more mechanical approach and works apparently on any kind of

eye diseases, including myopia (nearsightedness), astigmatism,

hyperopia (farsightedness), presbyopia (old-age vision), amblyopia

(lazy-eye)...

It has worked for me (myopic -4.75/-6.5) and numerous other friends.

My dad has used it to cure his presbyopia. It's too bad more people

don't know about this. You can take control of your vision (it's all

about muscle strenght really) and get rid of those " poisonous " minus

lenses for ever. They only worsen permanent eye accomodation. Learn

to read your prescription and know what it means, ask questions and

read up. It's your best weapon...

Lépine

Vancouver BC

[Guest guest]

I tried the email adddress listed and it bounced back. Has anyone been able

to contact vison@...? Do you have any further information, ?

[The address probably should be vision@... - anyway, does this

group have

a website, ? Mel Siff]

Thanks

Rice

Crooksville, Ohio

----- Original Message -----

Lepine wrote:

> I have cured my myopia (nearsightedness) with certain techniques and

> I know personnally of other people who have done the same or cured

> farsightedness. These techniques also work for astigmatism and

> presbyopia, although I don't know of anyone personnally who has done that.

>

> [Would you care to share these techniques with needy members of this list?

> Many years ago, one of the famous Huxley brothers wrote a book on " Sight

> without Glasses " and in it he described a whole variety of exercises that my

late

> Dad (who was very myopic) tried without success. Maybe there is now something

> better? Mel Siff]

>

> wrote:

>

> Absolutely not! Just kidding :-) Actually I'd love to but it is a

> program developped by a very well meaning engineer and the program

> is called Vision Freedom (I posted some info on it a year ago I

> think). You could always get some more info directly from him at

> vision@....

> Basically though, it is a program that unlike Huxley's (or Bates more

> popular program for that matter), isn't based on some

> simple " relaxation " exercises or wearing of pin-hole glasses. It

> uses a more mechanical approach and works apparently on any kind of

> eye diseases, including myopia (nearsightedness), astigmatism,

> hyperopia (farsightedness), presbyopia (old-age vision), amblyopia

> (lazy-eye)...

> It has worked for me (myopic -4.75/-6.5) and numerous other friends.

> My dad has used it to cure his presbyopia. It's too bad more people

> don't know about this. You can take control of your vision (it's all

> about muscle strenght really) and get rid of those " poisonous " minus

> lenses for ever. They only worsen permanent eye accomodation. Learn

> to read your prescription and know what it means, ask questions and

> read up. It's your best weapon...

>

> Lépine

[Guest guest]

I tried also and had no luck.

Terri

Edmonton Alberta

> I tried the email adddress listed and it bounced back. Has anyone been able

> to contact vison@...? Do you have any further information,

> ?

>

> [The address probably should be vision@... - anyway, does this

> group have

> a website, ? Mel Siff]

>

> Thanks

>

> Rice

> Crooksville, Ohio

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> Lepine wrote:

>

>> > I have cured my myopia (nearsightedness) with certain techniques and

>> > I know personnally of other people who have done the same or cured

>> > farsightedness. These techniques also work for astigmatism and

>> > presbyopia, although I don't know of anyone personnally who has done that.

>> >

>> > [Would you care to share these techniques with needy members of this list?

>> > Many years ago, one of the famous Huxley brothers wrote a book on " Sight

>> > without Glasses " and in it he described a whole variety of exercises that

>> my late

>> > Dad (who was very myopic) tried without success. Maybe there is now

>> something

>> > better? Mel Siff]

>> >

>> > wrote:

>> >

>> > Absolutely not! Just kidding :-) Actually I'd love to but it is a

>> > program developped by a very well meaning engineer and the program

>> > is called Vision Freedom (I posted some info on it a year ago I

>> > think). You could always get some more info directly from him at

>> > vision@....

>> > Basically though, it is a program that unlike Huxley's (or Bates more

>> > popular program for that matter), isn't based on some

>> > simple " relaxation " exercises or wearing of pin-hole glasses. It

>> > uses a more mechanical approach and works apparently on any kind of

>> > eye diseases, including myopia (nearsightedness), astigmatism,

>> > hyperopia (farsightedness), presbyopia (old-age vision), amblyopia

>> > (lazy-eye)...

>> > It has worked for me (myopic -4.75/-6.5) and numerous other friends.

>> > My dad has used it to cure his presbyopia. It's too bad more people

>> > don't know about this. You can take control of your vision (it's all

>> > about muscle strenght really) and get rid of those " poisonous " minus

>> > lenses for ever. They only worsen permanent eye accomodation. Learn

>> > to read your prescription and know what it means, ask questions and

>> > read up. It's your best weapon...

>> >

>> > Lépine

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

wrote:

Sorry you guys. I have checked up on those e-mail addresses (I also

had montana@...) and they look like they are outdated. I

tried a phone number and I am still waiting for a response. The

company as apparently come on and off the Net like that before

(, the owner, is having problems with Optometrists....). Their

website used to be www.visionfreedom.com but that doesn't work

anymore either. If I find something new, I'll let you know. In the

meantime, I'll see what I can do...

Lépine

Vancouver BC

> I tried also and had no luck.

>

> Terri

> Edmonton Alberta

>

> > I tried the email adddress listed and it bounced back. Has

anyone been able

> > to contact vison@v...? Do you have any further information,

> > ?

> >

> > [The address probably should be vision@v... - anyway, does this

> > group have

> > a website, ? Mel Siff]

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Rice

> > Crooksville, Ohio

>

[Guest guest]

Here is a question for one of the many doctors who are members of this

group ... do you know if 'light sensitivity' would affect suitability

for laser eye treatment before I let some professional with little or

no knowledge of Bleph mess with my sight?