hi

[Guest guest]

Hi Laurie,

My 2 cents:

someone could think chelation is dangerous and

still be VERY interested in metal detox and connection of

merc and autism. I believe this applies to BioBody/

Kane, based on recent posting.

This is the MERCURY-autism list, not MERCURYCHELATION-autism list.

The other approaches are still about mercury.

best,

Moria

At 01:25 AM 6/7/2001 -0700, you wrote:

>I will probably be sorry I opened my big mouth, but..... when has that ever

>stopped me! ;-)

>

>I have a question.... A few of you are sooooo anti Chelation why are you on

>this list??? Do you feel you need to save us from ourselves??? I understand

>being forwarded studies that say something may not work or even have massive

>side effects, and actualy enjoy reading them, but this is the " MERCURY

>AUTISM " list and that is what most of us who are here want to discuss! I

>feel lately like some of you are trying to " talk " me out of chelating my

>daughter...... thats not why I am here, I am here to try and understand the

>safest way to do it! I have enough people thinking I am wacko or grasping at

>straws to hear it here also day after day!!!

>

>If any of you are actualy doing chelation, either with DMSA, ALA, DMPS ect

>on yourself or your kids and want a safe place to let your hair down, send

>be an email letting me know what you are doing.... I have set up a new list

>called Heavy Metal Kids.

>

>Heavymetalkids-subscribe

>

>I'm not suggesting everyone leave this list but in addition too! ;-) I DON'T

>want it to be full of studies, just a safe place to " talk "

>

>Laurie

[Guest guest]

That's me. I am not sure about chelation - we just entered this

arena a couple of weeks ago. I do think there is a connection

between mercury and autism, which is why I originally applied to the

list. I just try to ignore the emails where people get snippy with

eachother and learn what I can. I will never say never to any kind

of treatment that will help my child. But I want to make sure I am

very educated on chelation, and all things related to autism, before

I make huge decisions. Right now, we are controlling his loose

stools through diet, so I am interested when I hear comments about

being able to go off the GFCF diet once chelation has occurred.

Luster

> >I will probably be sorry I opened my big mouth, but..... when has

that ever

> >stopped me! ;-)

> >

> >I have a question.... A few of you are sooooo anti Chelation why

are you on

> >this list??? Do you feel you need to save us from ourselves??? I

understand

> >being forwarded studies that say something may not work or even

have massive

> >side effects, and actualy enjoy reading them, but this is

the " MERCURY

> >AUTISM " list and that is what most of us who are here want to

discuss! I

> >feel lately like some of you are trying to " talk " me out of

chelating my

> >daughter...... thats not why I am here, I am here to try and

understand the

> >safest way to do it! I have enough people thinking I am wacko or

grasping at

> >straws to hear it here also day after day!!!

> >

> >If any of you are actualy doing chelation, either with DMSA, ALA,

DMPS ect

> >on yourself or your kids and want a safe place to let your hair

down, send

> >be an email letting me know what you are doing.... I have set up a

new list

> >called Heavy Metal Kids.

> >

> >Heavymetalkids-subscribe@y...

> >

> >I'm not suggesting everyone leave this list but in addition too! ;-

) I DON'T

> >want it to be full of studies, just a safe place to " talk "

> >

> >Laurie

[Guest guest]

Easter Seals School South in Pittsburgh Pa.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the update. When I first saw your note about a new baby I

thought it was yours and thought, WOW she is great!!

Anyway, just a thought I saw on another site today that the device

you mentioned should be covered by the school under IDEA. You

probably know that already but thought I would mention it.

Good Luck!

denise

> The appointment went really great yesterday. took to the

augemtive

> device as if he was born to use it...I must say it because of time

spent on

> the computer at home plus the one in his classroom. was very

good and

> did what he was asked and answered questions as best he

could.. is

> saying new words not as intelliable as we would wish. He is also

doing much

> better in school. Today we signed him up for a bowling team (at the

end

> , and who also joined will recieve a bowling

ball)..My

> husband and I both believe in keeping the boys active especially

.

> Starting in April they will be playing baseball he will be a busy

guy, but I

> am sure he'll love it too (as every year since he has been 5)..No

> doesn't speak well, but he is a great team player and thats what

counts...

> Diane.......mom, taxi driver, cook, banker, housekeeper,

> and a new one driver instructor as of 2/9/02 (I am not ready)

> to ny 17, 15, 13, 11,

> and 10 (I want my babies to stay babies longer) and special

> Auntie Nanny to Kayleigh 1 and her little Brother.sister EDD Sept

11, 2002

[Guest guest]

I hope and pray its covered cause I would not be able to afford it myself.

We would love another baby, but right now its not looking to good

Diane.......mom, taxi driver, cook, banker, housekeeper,

and a new one driver instructor as of 2/9/02 (I am not ready)

to ny 17, 15, 13, 11,

and 10 (I want my babies to stay babies longer) and special

Auntie Nanny to Kayleigh 1 and her little Brother.sister EDD Sept 11, 2002

> Thanks for the update. When I first saw your note about a new baby I

> thought it was yours and thought, WOW she is great!!

>

> Anyway, just a thought I saw on another site today that the device

> you mentioned should be covered by the school under IDEA. You

> probably know that already but thought I would mention it.

>

> Good Luck!

>

> denise

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I just wanted to thank you, and all of the other member's who were

kind enough for the warm welcome they gave me, in response to my

post..I'm just sorry that it has taken me so long to respond to your

response!! LOL. You all made me feel very welcome and understood..I

am grateful .

The past few month's have been very trying..I admit, I am not a

patient person, so having to deal with " let's wait and see " 's

and " were not sure " 's is extremely trying, not to mention that

whining is my daughter's preferred form of communication and my pet

peeve..gee, do you think someone is trying to teach me something? An

opportunity for practicing patience , maybe?

To update, we saw a 2nd ped.neuro. who said that he thought there

was only a 10% chance that Sierra has Landau Kleffner Syndrome...he

said that due to the large amount of progress that she has been

making recently, he dosen't see a need to test her for anything right

now..he want's to " wait and see " ..oh joy! I'm thinking that a

developmental ped. just might be my next step.

How do you all stay so positive? I struggle everyday with

discouragement and anxiety..just the thought of going to an IEP

planning meeting overwhelms me, LOL. I am SO not ready to start

learning the disability law's for my state..I'm not even sure if

Sierra HAS a disability!! No one seem's to want to make that

determination! Also, I am not confident in my town's ability to give

her the type's of therapies she will need..I am not impressed with

the education that they are giving my " normal " children! Arrrgh!

I hve been very impressed with what I am reading here online about

the EFA's. I have not started Sierra on them, but want to. I am torn

between wanting her on them, hoping for the best and being afraid

that , if she does respond well with them, will she not get the types

or levels of therapies that she need's, ya know? Am I making sense? I

know that,ultimately, all that matter's is that she get better..but I

would hate to put her on them, get a great response, then take her

for an eval , and have them not give her what she needs because she

test's so high..ignore me if I am not speaking rationally..it happens

sometimes!lol. When I finally do start Sierra on them, I plan on

making everyone else in the family take them , also..could'nt hurt,

might help, lol!!

I have also noticed some similarities amongst the post's that I

have read since finding this group : alot of our kid's had trouble

nursing ( Sierra could latch on, but she held her tongue too far back

and I ended up bleeding and abused and had to quit, heartbroken) ;

alot of our kid's seem to only like certain food's-Sierra will only

eat chicken nugget's,no other meat ; " W " sitting-we have almost

completely cured her of that and, low weight- Sierra is 2.5 and only

weighs 32 pounds. These similarities really stood out for me. Any

idea's?

Here's my current emotional turmoil-sending my soon to be 3 year

old off to " school " 5 days a week. She is going to be in school for

at least 13 year's...it's breaking my heart to have to let her go

sooner than " normal " ..intellectually , I know she need's to go , but,

emotionally, the thought is tearing me up. She's my baby and likely

to be my last , so I don't want to let her go so soon. Can anyone

relate?

Will close for now..what a windbag, huh!? Haha. Thank's again for

the warm welcome's and word's of encouragment.

Bergquist, Sierra's " baba " (mama)

> Hi -

> Reading your note brought me back to this time last year when my

son

> had a never ending bruise on his forehead from slamming it into

anything and

> everything out of his frustration due to his inability to speak.

Thank God

> one year later full of great speech therapy and Pro EFA, he's

talking away!

> As a matter of fact, his brother just complained to me that he

couldn't

> sleep because was singing too loud in his room. ha ha - who

would

> have ever thought!

>

> I can imagine your frustration at your inability to get a

diagnosis. First

> of all, I'm not a doctor but I am a mom who's been going down this

road for

> a while and I can tell you that a major sign of Apraxia is losing

words. My

> son constantly did that in the beginning and I know of many other

parents

> who can say the same. When he first started to talk, he'd say a

word 10

> times in one day and then months would go by before we'd hear it

again. I

> would highly recommend finding a neurodevelopmental pediatrician to

get a

> diagnosis of Apraxia. They seem to be much more knowledgeable

about Apraxia

> then a neurologist. It seems to me that neurologists look for

things that

> they can find wrong in tests and if they can't find a physical

reason, they

> don't acknowledge it exists. Apraxia doesn't show up in MRI's or

anything

> but it doesn't mean it isn't there. Neurodev. pediatricians look

at the

> entire child and see the " soft " signs that many other doctors would

miss.

> My neurodev. pediatrician has been our savior and has given us such

great

> guidance. I don't know where we'd be without her.

>

> Best of luck to you!

> in NJ

> KDR@c...

> mom to 6 and 3 (apraxia)

[Guest guest]

So glad to see you back !

Joanne

[Guest guest]

Hi

My name is . Is there doctors in Michigan who follow

the protocol?

[Guest guest]

BCBS PPO is covering everything (we paid about $35 for all, including visit and

blood work)

Regina

luckylyndy2 <luckylyndy2@...> wrote: I'm very new to this so bear with

me please.

Is there a Doctor in Illinois that follows the protocol?

My son is on Blue Cross Blue Shield PPO(my) and Human PPO (dad's)

Is anything covered? is 4 now and I have hear so may positive

things about Doctor Goldberg and I really want to give it a try.

Any informtion would be great.

Thanks,

Marlynn

[Guest guest]

j

I believe Dr. Goldberg accepts blue cross/blue shield PPO.

His office # is 818-343-1010.

[Guest guest]

Hi Kelli,

I get it now! I've read of ppl putting velcro on the strip and on

some small toys and then putting the toys on the strap. When the baby

goes to open the velcro, they pull off a toy. It might work! Let us

know what you do.

Good luck,

> Unfortunately,the barrette won't work the way his helmet is

made.I've

> included a pic so you can see what I mean.

> We've been using duct tape where the helmet opens.

>

>

> Kelli & Luke (1yr.old ~ 8wks. in local helmet)

> Indiana

[Guest guest]

What a disaster - that is hilarious! His helmet looks an aweful lot

like the STARband, it's not though right? It doesn't have a star

imprinted anywhere on it does it? Just curious

Debbie Abby's mom DOCGrad

MI

> Unfortunately,the barrette won't work the way his helmet is

made.I've

> included a pic so you can see what I mean.

> We've been using duct tape where the helmet opens.

>

>

> Kelli & Luke (1yr.old ~ 8wks. in local helmet)

> Indiana

[Guest guest]

<PRE>wow suzanne, sorry to hear of your troubles and your loss. please be

careful

and good to yourself. kathy in il

[Guest guest]

Suzanne, I'm so sorry about your brother! I can see why you'd feel like

things are spinning out of control. Something like that changes your

attitude about everything.

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Suzanne))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

With love and condolences,

Carol

[ ] Hi

Just wanted to say hello to everyone and welcome to all the new members.

Life has intervened again and I am way behind on emails. My brother dropped

dead last week (long story), my gym is closing March 1, 2003, my sister's

and my latest court (probate court) date which is scheduled for the end of

February may be canceled as a result of my brother's death. We are back in

limbo, where we have been for 4 1/2 years. Stress levels are skyhigh. Spent

all day yesterday at work with a brain somehow disconnected from my mouth. I

didn't know whether to laugh or run if I saw any guys in white coats heading

my way. All I kept thinking last night was " madness takes it toll, please

have exact change. " I've always loved that phrase, just seems a little too

close for comfort in the last few days. (LOL)

To add insult to injury, I fell in my kitchen Saturday, (stupid accident).

Aside from some pain in my left wrist, shoulder and inner groin area, the

main thing hurt was my pride. As I was falling everything seemed to be in

slow motion as I was thinking, I can't believe I'm falling down, I wonder if

I'll be able to get up again?

Yes, I did (get up) and without help. The pool and hot tub have been of

great help and I felt back to normal yesterday. Just goes to show you

accidents can happen to anyone at any time!

Talk care all, hope you are all feeling as well as possible. I'll try to

catch up on the weekend.

Hugs,

Suzanne

[Guest guest]

Gosh, Suzanne! All of your news comes as quite a shock. I'm sorry that

you are feeling so stressed.

At least you still have your sense of humor. I never hear that one about

madness - I'll be borrowing it, LOL.

I am very sorry to hear of your brother's death. You must have a lot of

mixed feelings about it. I hope you can somehow come to terms with what

has happened and that you and your sister can get out of that limbo very

soon.

Sorry, too, about your spill. I hope there won't be any lasting effects.

Try to get as much rest as you can. You must be exhausted.

I hope there is another gym you can join after yours closes. I know how

much it has helped you to go there.

I'll be thinking of you.

Take good care,

[ ] Hi

> Just wanted to say hello to everyone and welcome to all the new

members. Life has intervened again and I am way behind on emails. My

brother dropped dead last week (long story), my gym is closing March 1,

2003, my sister's and my latest court (probate court) date which is

scheduled for the end of February may be canceled as a result of my

brother's death. We are back in limbo, where we have been for 4 1/2

years. Stress levels are skyhigh. Spent all day yesterday at work with

a brain somehow disconnected from my mouth. I didn't know whether to

laugh or run if I saw any guys in white coats heading my way. All I

kept thinking last night was " madness takes it toll, please have exact

change. " I've always loved that phrase, just seems a little too close

for comfort in the last few days. (LOL)

>

> To add insult to injury, I fell in my kitchen Saturday, (stupid

accident). Aside from some pain in my left wrist, shoulder and inner

groin area, the main thing hurt was my pride. As I was falling

everything seemed to be in slow motion as I was thinking, I can't

believe I'm falling down, I wonder if I'll be able to get up again?

>

> Yes, I did (get up) and without help. The pool and hot tub have been

of great help and I felt back to normal yesterday. Just goes to show

you accidents can happen to anyone at any time!

>

> Talk care all, hope you are all feeling as well as possible. I'll try

to catch up on the weekend.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Suzanne

[Guest guest]

Dear Suzanne...I'm sorry to hear of your brother's passing. And you're

dealing with so many other things as well. Sending much love to you.

Please take care.

Tess

[Guest guest]

Suzanne,

My deepest sympathy for the loss of your brother. It sounds like you have

a very hectic stressful life right now with all that is going on. I wish we

could make things easier for you. I hope your aches and pains from your

fall

are feeling a little better today. Glad you have the hot tub and pool to

help

with the aches and pains.

a

>>>

>>>

> Just wanted to say hello to everyone and welcome to all the new members. Life

> has intervened again and I am way behind on emails. My brother dropped dead

> last week (long story), my gym is closing March 1, 2003, my sister's and my

> latest court (probate court) date which is scheduled for the end of February

> may be canceled as a result of my brother's death. We are back in limbo,

> where we have been for 4 1/2 years. Stress levels are skyhigh. Spent all day

> yesterday at work with a brain somehow disconnected from my mouth. I didn't

> know whether to laugh or run if I saw any guys in white coats heading my way.

> All I kept thinking last night was " madness takes it toll, please have exact

> change. " I've always loved that phrase, just seems a little too close for

> comfort in the last few days. (LOL)

>

> To add insult to injury, I fell in my kitchen Saturday, (stupid accident).

> Aside from some pain in my left wrist, shoulder and inner groin area, the main

> thing hurt was my pride. As I was falling everything seemed to be in slow

> motion as I was thinking, I can't believe I'm falling down, I wonder if I'll

> be able to get up again?

>

> Yes, I did (get up) and without help. The pool and hot tub have been of great

> help and I felt back to normal yesterday. Just goes to show you accidents can

> happen to anyone at any time!

>

> Talk care all, hope you are all feeling as well as possible. I'll try to catch

> up on the weekend.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Suzanne

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello, Jane! Sorry that you were having trouble sleeping and that pain

continues to be a problem.

What about the Mayo idea?

I'm not sure what your doc thought your secondary problem may be - I

need more clues!

[ ] Hi

> Dear everybody, How are you guys tonite? It is 1:00am

Thursday nite, well maybe early Friday morning, I can't sleep, I have

that trouble once and a while.I had seen my Reumy last Thursday, a week

ago and yes Iam just writting now, oh wait I did write the week before,

ok, anyway, he said that he would take care of my meds, pain meds, I

don't have to ask my general Doctor for them now, I will be seeing a

pain clinic on may 20th, it will take for ever, I hope they will fix the

shoulder, I have suffered long enough, I have been hurting there for

2yrs now.That is how I found out that I have RA.Other Ra sufferers, I

have such cronic pain, am I a lone? do I have low pain tolerence? never

did before, I don't know.I just wish I could feel like I did before 3yrs

ago. I am volentering at the Elementry school in the fall, a day

a week, or two, that is if they can fix my shoulder.I hope.

or a if you are reading this, my Doc said something to the fact

that I might have a secondary disease off the RA, it was along name,

don't know what it is though, ok, that probally didn't help.Sorry, I

must be getting tired after all. I wish all of you well, and

good night

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))))))))))

)))))))))))

Jane

[Guest guest]

Hi Toni,

No one can tell you if Savannah's head will round out or not. Some

babies do but most don't! Yes, you are right, the younger a baby is

banded the better and faster the correction. I say go w/your Mommy

instinct on this one. If you feel Savannah would benefit from a band,

tehn band her. Are you near a Cranial Tech clinic? They give free

evaluations. You will get an honest opinion from them, they don't try

to sell you their product. Please keep us posted on your daughter.

> I recently gave birth to twins Savannah and in Jan. They are

> now 3 1/2 months old. Savannah had a CT Scan this week and the

> results showed that she had a flat side. The dr that I was talking

> to said " Just let it round out on it's own " I totally disagree

with

> that and told her that I wanted a referral to a specialist.

> What I want to know, does it ever just " round out? " I would rather

> have it taken care of as soon as possible. The earlier we start

the

> shorter time she'll have to wear the DOC band right??

>

> Some advice PLEASE!!

> Thanks

> Toni

[Guest guest]

Hi Toni,

The wait and see approach is definitely not for everyone. The truth

is that all heads do NOT round out on their own. There is simply no

guarantee. At the age Savannah is now she would likely get good

correction pretty quickly.

I personally think you did good by pushing for a referral to a

specialist right away. Let us know how things progress.

Marci (Mom to )

Oklahoma

> I recently gave birth to twins Savannah and in Jan. They are

> now 3 1/2 months old. Savannah had a CT Scan this week and the

> results showed that she had a flat side. The dr that I was talking

> to said " Just let it round out on it's own " I totally disagree

with

> that and told her that I wanted a referral to a specialist.

> What I want to know, does it ever just " round out? " I would rather

> have it taken care of as soon as possible. The earlier we start

the

> shorter time she'll have to wear the DOC band right??

>

> Some advice PLEASE!!

> Thanks

> Toni

[Guest guest]

,

I got the e-mail, I just hadn't gotten around to answering it.

Debs

[Guest guest]

Colleen, dear woman! I'm happy the group is helping you. We have so many

silent members like you, and it's always nice to hear that you are out

there reading and find it beneficial. Please write anytime you wish.

That is so much to be paying for Humira. It's good if Costco can help

save you some money. Have you tried contacting the manufacturer for

suggestions on how to get it more cheaply? We also have members who buy

their drugs in Canada at reduced cost who may be able to offer you

advice.

Above all, after all of that hassle and expense, I hope it works for

you.

Here's the Humira site information on patient assistance programs:

http://www.humira.com/hu/hustore/cgi-bin/ProdSubEV_Cat_205054_NavRoot_205054_Nav\

ID_301.htm

[ ] Hi

> I don't post very often, and when I do it's usually to whine. I wanted

to say, please, Tess, don't feel guilty!! I hope and pray that the

Humira works for you and me too!! I gave my first shot a week ago today

and haven't noticed any difference at all, but I was told it could take

up to 3 months to see the effects. If you were not in this support

group, it certainly wouldn't be the same. I would miss you as I do read

all the postings. I work for a small company that everyone but me is

married so they have hospitalization thru a spouse's company. I carry my

own insurance, FirstCare thru Blue Cross. They approved the Humira, but

it cost me $986.13 for two injections for the month. I went to Costco

today and they think they can save me up to $300 next month, but they

aren't sure until the next prescription is due. At this point in my life

the fatigue is worse than the pain, I have a feeling that is a good

thing. My priority is my work, so that is what I do, no energy for much

else.

> I am tired a lot, but overall, I am thankful for my life and this

support group. Everyone here has helped me more than I can express!!

Thank all of you and my prayers and support for a great turkey day!!!

> I thank God every day for this support group. Don't post but read

EVERY WORD!!!!

>

> Colleen

[Guest guest]

-

>So good to hear from you.

Thanks, and likewise! I was actually semi-surprised not to see you at the

NYC chapter meeting a few weeks ago. Speaking of which, I started a

group for NYC-area NT types and WAPF chapter members. It hasn't strictly

gone live yet (there'll be a link on the chapter site and an email to

everyone in the chapter at some point soon) but it's ready to go for you or

anyone else who's interested.

WAPF-NYC?yguid=86005648

>Deluge is right...I looked at the site and saw that February had more

>messages than any other month to date...YIKES!

I've actually been thinking about this recently, and wondering whether

people might like me to split the list in two to make it a little bit more

manageable, at least for people interested in only one of the post-split

groups. For some people it wouldn't accomplish anything.

>You might be right, but my experience tells me otherwise. I never want to

>eat tons and tons of rice or potatoes, but I can eat bread for days.

Certainly that indicates you have a special problem with wheat, but cutting

out wheat hasn't stopped your wheat craving in its tracks, which suggests

that your craving has multiple causes. Gluten (or some other

wheat-specific factor) might well be one of them, but in order to fully

treat an addiction, you have to fully eliminate cravings. In my case,

eliminating carb cravings requires eating loads of fat (with a heavy

emphasis on saturated fat) and meat and virtually eliminating starchy and

sugary carb foods. Though different starches and sugars had different

levels of addictive power, any of them would cause enough of a problem for

me to bring back all cravings. Obviously your case is much less severe,

but from your descriptions of your troubles, I'm willing to bet that

eliminating starches and sugars along with perhaps increasing fats and

addressing whatever digestion and absorption problems you might have would

make all the difference in the world.

>However, as I learned last night, DO NOT eat hash

>browns and then watch a slow-moving french film EVEN IF there's lots of

>nudity in it. Heidi sure is right about the sleep-inducing power of her

>beloved 'taters.

Oh? What movie? (How's that for off-topic? <g> As a movie buff and

filmmaker wannabe I'm curious.) In general I think if something puts you

to sleep it means one of two things (or both): it's bad for you or your

digestion/absorption is impaired in a relevant way. Good fats can have

that effect on people with problems low stomach acid, impaired bile

production, etc., but on the other hand, starchy and/or sugary carbs have

that exact effect on a lot of people, and they get better by just cutting

out those kinds of foods. On the other hand, maybe it was just too late in

the day. As I've managed to adjust my body clock I keep finding myself

ambushed by my new, earlier bedtime when I sit down to watch a DVD.

>LOL! I'm so sorry you still haven't figured out the pemmican recipe. Maybe

>it's just meant to be nasty.

I hope not!

>I'm sure you've thought of this, but couldn't

>you adapt one of your sausage recipes to be smoked/dried so you could eat it

>cold like a salami? Put xtra fat in it, etc.?

I've thought of it, but I don't know how to do any of that in an apartment

in Manhattan. Smokers, even wet smokers, produce lots of smoke, which

AFAIK is illegal here. I ought to ask on the sausage list I'm a member of,

though. I've been meaning to do that for awhile.

>I do think the canned

>food idea is good for the time being...they LOVE that.

Well, in that case, I think that's at least your interim solution. Cans

are cheap (my girlfriend stocks up when they go on sale, so she usually

gets them for something like 29 cents apiece) and while they're fairly

awful, they're still enormously better than kibble, which as far as I can

tell doesn't seem to have any real redeeming value.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Laurie, my first experience with Primal Defense was very positive. I had

just had my second baby and was having problems with constipation unless i

ate a truckload of veggies. Primal Defense turned that around overnight. i

don't take it anymore but drink kombucha, eat sauerkraut, etc. With two

small children i'm probably ingesting a fair amount of dirt anyway. I don't

feel like i need it anymore, but it sure got me kick started in the right

direction.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

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I really wanted to go to the chapter meeting, but I'm trying to buy an apt.

so weekends are usually spent looking at dumps in Bklyn....wish me luck.

BTW--I will be at the Nolt delivery in the EV this Saturday...are you buying

through the club this time? Do you still mail order his stuff? I think

it's a great idea to have a NYC discussion list and I'll definitely join

when it goes live.

OT: the movie was SWIMMING POOL starring Ludivine Sagnier's breasts. I

thought the film had a fantastic set up but then the change in genre 3/4

into the movie threw me for a loop. Needless to say, my husband didn't fall

asleep!

Jess