Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 In a message dated 8/29/01 5:28:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lvlnew@... writes: > . I will be in California visiting friends next > week and would very much like to visit the Organization > there. Many thanks to Dr. G. for the wonderful work you're doing. > > --Elvei > lvlnew@... > > > > What part of Calif. will you be visiting, Elvei? Tina M. Hendrix Cure2000@... Vice-President, California Coalition Neuro-Immune Dysfunction Syndromes Autism Spectrum Disorder, ADD/ADHD, Learning Disorders, Hyperactivity, CFS, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 Hello Tina, I will be in the Moreno Valley area. I will arrive there Thursday night, 29Aug01. My friends name and phone number is: Loretta 909-778-9991 Maybe you can send me your phone number and I can call you when I get to Calif. My email address is: lvlnew@... > > > > What part of Calif. will you be visiting, Elvei? > Tina M. Hendrix > Cure2000@a... > Vice-President, California Coalition > Neuro-Immune Dysfunction Syndromes > Autism Spectrum Disorder, ADD/ADHD, Learning Disorders, Hyperactivity, CFS, > etc. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2001 Report Share Posted September 18, 2001 Here are a few things I hope are helpful. Since you say he reacted worse on soy and corn than the gluten/casein, it could be you need to remove those things as well - hardly an easy thing to do. There is some evidence that soy peptides are as troublesome as the gluten/casein ones. In this case, adding digestive enzymes may break up all of these things and help the gut back into functioning better. On the other hand, since you did not see any improvement on the diet, you may also not see any with enzymes...it may not be a food related issue. From the first 4 months, other people in your situation ran about 50% improved with enzymes after seeing no improvement on the diet and 50% didn't. Why not give yourself a designated amount of time, like 2 months, and see how it goes. The enzymes are relatively cheap and quick compared to most other therapies. Most people say you need to give the diet about 1 year and it takes longer for an older child, but this became very problematic for our older kids. 2 months is a more manageable amount of time. After awhile as my boys got older, I found it more emotionally stabilizing for our entire family not to get our hopes up really high. My older son made little progress until he was 5, and it wasn't until 9 years that he fully recovered from PDD. We use Peptizyde and Zyme Prime will great results. Also, maybe not look for outstanding improvement but for some improvement, and then if you get more over time you will be pleasantly surprised. I don't analyze every behavior with every meal, but look for overall patterns, and how they improve week by week instead of day by day. Anyone can feel bad on a certain day. I think it would be worth a try because it isn't terribly hard to do, not that expensive, and you might see some results reasonably quickly. Enzymes can help in a number of ways to improve overall health. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2001 Report Share Posted September 19, 2001 I am a new member from London. I would like to start giving enzymes to my son, but don't know where can I buy it. Does anybody knows where can I buy them in UK? Thanks a lot Svetlana [ ] Re: new member Here are a few things I hope are helpful. Since you say he reacted worse on soy and corn than the gluten/casein, it could be you need to remove those things as well - hardly an easy thing to do. There is some evidence that soy peptides are as troublesome as the gluten/casein ones. In this case, adding digestive enzymes may break up all of these things and help the gut back into functioning better. On the other hand, since you did not see any improvement on the diet, you may also not see any with enzymes...it may not be a food related issue. From the first 4 months, other people in your situation ran about 50% improved with enzymes after seeing no improvement on the diet and 50% didn't. Why not give yourself a designated amount of time, like 2 months, and see how it goes. The enzymes are relatively cheap and quick compared to most other therapies. Most people say you need to give the diet about 1 year and it takes longer for an older child, but this became very problematic for our older kids. 2 months is a more manageable amount of time. After awhile as my boys got older, I found it more emotionally stabilizing for our entire family not to get our hopes up really high. My older son made little progress until he was 5, and it wasn't until 9 years that he fully recovered from PDD. We use Peptizyde and Zyme Prime will great results. Also, maybe not look for outstanding improvement but for some improvement, and then if you get more over time you will be pleasantly surprised. I don't analyze every behavior with every meal, but look for overall patterns, and how they improve week by week instead of day by day. Anyone can feel bad on a certain day. I think it would be worth a try because it isn't terribly hard to do, not that expensive, and you might see some results reasonably quickly. Enzymes can help in a number of ways to improve overall health. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2001 Report Share Posted September 19, 2001 I understand completely about getting your hopes up. I guess because the nature of autism is so undefined all the options seem equally undefined. Sort of try it and see. But I keep figuring that if each thing I try doesn't do anything, then it's on the next. Because I'm the only one who's going to keep trying. On the bottom of this note, I've attached a beautiful poem I think that tells it all. I encourage you to try. If it can bring him out of his fog even a little bit, it's worth it! >My Little Masterpiece >Are you with me little one? >Have the day's events soaked in once the day is done? > >Is the path that mommy chooses for you clear? >I only do what I think is best for you my dear. > >I cannot stand to see you lost. >It will be the end of me, before I allow my efforts tossed. > >Day in and day out, my mind is in constant motion. >Thinking of ways to reach you & teach you. There is no end to my >devotion. > >Do you go through the days that I have packed for you, in vain? >Would you rather be outside, chasing the rainbows after the rain? > >Those miracle moments when your stare so deep inside of me , >These are treasures collected in my heart, like rare jewels that I will >take to my destiny. > >How I wish, I could be so ethical, to accept you the way you were. >To lie in the bed that GOD has made for me, yet I failed to deter. > >I wonder where you would be if I left you all alone. >In your quiet mystical world, where one couldn't even hurt you with a >stone. > >That place where you wouldn't be expected to perform and be up to par. >For your label would be your excuse and no one would've expected >anything more. > >Yet, I have chosen to make you a part of this judgmental earth. >And try to defeat the cards that life dealt to me, the day of your birth. > >I pray every night, that you forgive me for being so head strong and >ambitious. >Perhaps I do take the definition of " tough love " a bit too viscous. > >One thing is for sure my love, maybe one day you will understand. >That mommy loves you with a passion that some would never comprehend. > >Though, I work with you through cries and screams, and have even dodged >a chair or two >Know that I hear you, know that it hurts me. But I push forward and >onward, just for you. > >Yes I know it would be easier to give up and let you grow at your own >rate. >But later in life if I say " Help my son, " they might say, " I am sorry it >is too late " > >Though my days are long, my body tired and my beauty fading day to day.. > >I know if I leave this earth tomorrow, I would have no regrets to take >to my grave. > >That I did not leave you as a cripple in this world with undeniable >strife >I know that I would leave you with the chance to live a fuller brighter >life. > >For now you speak, and now you know your colors, shapes and sizes. >You know your numbers and how to count, you fill my days with >surprises. > >You know the sky consists of sparkling stars and a sun and moon. >You go in the potty , you say " more PLEASE " and eat your cereal with a >spoon > >Though many would think that these accomplishments are trivial and small > >Only you and I and THOSE LIKE US, would know the glory of it all. > >You look for kisses and for hugs something you never used to do. >Yes, my love you have come so far, I know that it has been hard for you. > >Know that I am proud, for you, not I, have made the biggest sacrifice. >You work so diligently, harder than a typical grown man would in all his >life. > >I will not lie, I do still weep, for the road is long and I know the >journey is not over > " How much longer mommy? " you ask...My love, to this question I do not >have the answer. > >I will be with you until the end of time, praying for the strength and >the patience to prevail. >Have comfort that you do not have a " typical mother " and I will not let >you fail. > >Know this. You are my life, my soul , you are what drives the blood >through my veins >Perhaps God sent you to me unfinished and it is my duty to grab hold of >the reins. > >To finish you, my little masterpiece that I work and toil over everyday >With never ending devotion and commitment, I wouldn't have it any other >way . > > by Dibra for my beautiful son Adem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Hi Alison, Well done for taking the plunge!! Not to throw another spanner in the works for you, but is the juice you are referring to s? If it is be aware that it contains sodium benzoate. I made a big mistake some time back and gave it to . Unfortunately he was bouncing off the walls within a few hours as he reacted badly to it (like many others I believe). I now give him Meridian pear juice from the health shop and plain water where possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Hi , thanks for the welcome! Yes I have taken the plunge at last! The hi juice Oliver currently has is Tesco. It does not have the sodium benzoate but has sodium metabisulphite! for what its worth and potassium sorbate. I don't know if these would cause a reaction, I have'nt seen one yet since he started on it a few days ago. I am going to buy the meridian pear juice as I noticed a lot of parents use it with good results. He is also back to drinking through a straw which is good news, because then I will have a chance of getting the enzymes down him (when I order them! - have'nt ordered yet as hubby is reading up on the enzymes too at the mo!) Chat soon Take care Alison x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Thanks Lynn, initially when Oliver was diagnosed at 3, he is now 5 and a half, we had his urine tested at Sunderland University here in the UK and it showed very high peaks on gluten and very low on casein. We duly put him on the diet, gf only, and as I recall he started to get better after about 3 months into the diet. Then we removed casein, but with not much change in behaviour at all, so we just stuck with removing gluten. He was on this diet for a year, but then we had some bereavements in the family, my father died very young (this was pretty traumatic) and then both my husbands parents passed away last year. My hubby and I both had depression big time, I still do and am being treated for that and it helps me alot to deal with Oliver. So we stopped the diet back in March this year, I was at an all time low and just could not carry on with anything at all. Sorry to go on a bit, its just so hard when there are other issues in your family life, apart from autism, that parents have to deal with too. We are still grieving, yes, but we know we have to carry on for the sake of our children and do the very best we can for them. Take care Alison x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 HI Alison, We can't go on meeting like this ........ I have a big boy , Louis aged 8 and Charlie (ASD) who was 5 last week . It really is nice to know someone who's child eats as little as mine !! I , (deep breath) started the enzymes yesterday . Charlie walked to school as good as gold , smiling and happy - we looked like the Osmonds on a day out !. He is currently in with his therapist and he is really letting her have it - screaming and protesting - not my little boy at all --- ---- Let the head spinning begin !!!!!! Wish me luck - you may not hear from me for a while - why did I start this just before half-term ! Best regards Deborah > > Hello everyone > > My name is Alison and we have Oliver who is 5 and a half with ASD. He has > been GFCF for 8 weeks now, showing not many improvements. He is limiting his > food intake more and more and will now only eat toast, choc brownies and > whizzers choc speckled eggs. > > I have been lurking for a while now on this group and I am also a member of > the GFCFKids UK group, as we live in the UK. I have been reading alot about > enzymes. Oliver has a lot of sensory integration issues, as most children > do! I think. He currently drinks orange hi juice so I will probably put the > enzymes in his drink. Or maybe mix them up in his jam or ketchup on his > toast! As you can see he doesnt eat much at the moment at all, and I am > hoping this will improve when he starts on the enzymes. > > Anyway, nice to be hear and any support would be much appreciated. > > Thanks > Alison > (mum to Sophie 7 NT & Oliver 5 ASD) > UK > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 He is limiting his > food intake more and more and will now only eat toast, choc brownies and > whizzers choc speckled eggs. > He currently drinks orange hi juice so I will probably put the > enzymes in his drink. Or maybe mix them up in his jam or ketchup on his > toast! All of the foods you mention here are high phenols. Not to throw another issue into your life LOL. But just to consider. If he is already gfcf and eats basically phenol foods, you might want to start with the Zyme Prime enzyme, because it helps some children with phenol issues. Here is where you can buy that enzyme, altho there may be other enzymes that would also work for that, but I don't know that because I don't use other enzymes. http://www.houstonni.com/ Here is my phenol info http://home.pacbell.net/cscomp/phenol.htm I hope that helps and good luck to you! Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Eight weeks is a pretty short time relative to removal of the gluten which can take up to 6 months. Although we saw a big hit within weeks on the removal of casein from our son's diet, we really saw another boost many months after the removal of gluten. Just thought this was worth sharing. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 , Wow. Can't even begin to say how sorry I am for all your losses. That is a heavy burden to bear....may our God comfort you and give you strength. On the diet front, I'm sort of talking out loud here. I wonder if (as an assimilation of many conversations on this board and one in particular with Devin) if the reason you might not be seeing as much of a benefit from the diet this time around is that his body doesn't have as much built up as when you first started. There is much discussion lately about the elimination of foods doing some healing and then when the offenders are reintroduced, it isn't as bad, or in fact that it doesn't affect them at all....maybe that's his situation. But I would imagine that it's only a matter of time before the effects of the peptides will be back in force being that you did have a test that confirmed the issue. I forgot and deleted your previous post. Have you begun using the enzymes or are you planning on beginning soon? Having the enzymes in his system will hopefully take care of that and bring more positives. lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2001 Report Share Posted October 17, 2001 Alison, I'm sorry for your losses. May I ask a question? Will you place your child back on the gluten free diet or are you relying solely on enzymes now? I'm asking because my son had the high IAG peak through the Sunderland testing and he has been gluten and casein free a while and I'm wondering what our options could be with the use of enzymes. Thanks, JoAnne alison1wls@... wrote: > > > Thanks Lynn, initially when Oliver was diagnosed at 3, he is now 5 > and a > half, we had his urine tested at Sunderland University here in the UK > and it > showed very high peaks on gluten and very low on casein. We duly put > him on > the diet, gf only, and as I recall he started to get better after > about 3 > months into the diet. Then we removed casein, but with not much > change in > behaviour at all, so we just stuck with removing gluten. He was on > this diet > for a year, but then we had some bereavements in the family, my father > died > very young (this was pretty traumatic) and then both my husbands > parents > passed away last year. My hubby and I both had depression big time, I > still > do and am being treated for that and it helps me alot to deal with > Oliver. > So we stopped the diet back in March this year, I was at an all time > low and > just could not carry on with anything at all. > > Sorry to go on a bit, its just so hard when there are other issues in > your > family life, apart from autism, that parents have to deal with too. > We are > still grieving, yes, but we know we have to carry on for the sake of > our > children and do the very best we can for them. > > Take care > Alison x > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2001 Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 Sorry to tell you (because it's extra work), but I agree with Dana. GFCF and the Feingold diet went hand in hand in helping . First things we stopped were apples (he would eat 3 lbs/day) and grapes (bunches at a time). We saw almost IMMEDIATE results in decreasing his hyperactivity. This group is very supportive and KNOWLEDGEABLE though, in helping you through this...Hang in there! God bless - , Mom to (5, autistic), and (6, NT) [ ] Re: New Member He is limiting his food intake more and more and will now only eat toast, choc brownies and whizzers choc speckled eggs. He currently drinks orange hi juice so I will probably put the enzymes in his drink. Or maybe mix them up in his jam or ketchup on his toast! All of the foods you mention here are high phenols. Not to throw another issue into your life LOL. But just to consider. If he is already gfcf and eats basically phenol foods, you might want to start with the Zyme Prime enzyme, because it helps some children with phenol issues. Here is where you can buy that enzyme, altho there may be other enzymes that would also work for that, but I don't know that because I don't use other enzymes. http://www.houstonni.com/ Here is my phenol info http://home.pacbell.net/cscomp/phenol.htm I hope that helps and good luck to you! Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2001 Report Share Posted October 31, 2001 Welcome Roxanne ! Angi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2001 Report Share Posted November 1, 2001 Welcome Roxanne, You have found the right place to be. Everybody here is so helpful. I also am a homeschooling mom of an apraxic boy. I also homeschool my oldest. Where are you from? > I'm also a former spec. ed teacher, but the speech dept was always > like a foreign land to me. I am a homeschooling mom now. > > Roxanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2001 Report Share Posted November 11, 2001 Glad to have ya, Yvette! Let us know how your son does. > Hi! > My name is Yvette. Matt is my 8 year old son. I am about to place my first > order for an enzyme " supplement " in hopes that it will help my son's autistic > symptoms ... thus, my interest in this group. > Yvette. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Hi Margaret, In response to your first question, go to www.alasbimnjournal.cl/revistas/4/goldberg.htm > Hi > > I'm a newbie to the list and I have some questions. First, have any of Dr > Goldberg's > findings been published in a peer reviewed journal? If so, please could > someone > let me know where? (DH works at Stanford and has access to the medical > library). > > Secondly, my DD is SO darn healthy I wonder how she can have a dysfunctional > immune system! Other than the occasional cold she just never gets sick! > Explain, please! > > Margaret > San CA > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 In a message dated 11/19/01 10:47:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, MMacGregor@... writes: > Secondly, my DD is SO darn healthy I wonder how she can have a dysfunctional > immune system! Other than the occasional cold she just never gets sick! > Explain, please! > > Hi Margaret, That is the case many times. i beleive it is because that little immune system is constantly in a state of arrousal. i am in Santa , CA. We have a news and update e-mail list. if you're interested, e-mail me privately. Also, i am in the process of booking a speaking engagement for Dr. Goldberg in Sacramento and in the Bay Area for The weekend of Jan 19th/20th 2002. Tina M. Hendrix Cure2000@... Vice-President, California Coalition Neuro-Immune Dysfunction Syndromes Autism Spectrum Disorder, ADD/ADHD, Learning Disorders, Hyperactivity, CFS, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2001 Report Share Posted November 30, 2001 Regina, Call Dr. goldberg's office. 818-343-1010. i believe you can get in to see him in the spring. it's worth a try. then while you are waiting , the coalition can help you with some interim assistance. call or e-mail me for furhter info. 707-538-2193 In a message dated 11/30/01 12:39:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, regina.feferman@... writes: > Hello to everyone, > My mane is Regina and I have 2.9y. son who was recently diagnosed > with mild to moderate form of autism. We are trying to do everything > for him (we started to see DAN! doctor), trying to find good setting > for him. I belive that autism has relation to biological isssues and > I'd like to try protocol. As far as I can understand there is a > long waiting list to see Dr.Goldberg and a can not waist this kind of > time. We live in St., MN and I can not belive that there is no > one in the area who tryed this protocol already. (at leas I've seen > comments from one mom from Twin cities). I want to do something, at > least I'd like to see the protocol(if it is possible). > I'll appreciate any help > Regina > > > > Tina M. Hendrix Cure2000@... Vice-President, California Coalition Neuro-Immune Dysfunction Syndromes Autism Spectrum Disorder, ADD/ADHD, Learning Disorders, Hyperactivity, CFS, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2002 Report Share Posted January 27, 2002 In a message dated 1/27/02 1:58:22 AM Central Standard Time, mjamer37@... writes: > Hello to All... I am a new Member. I have a son who is 5 yrs old and > is Autistic as well as non-verbal. Hi . Welcome to the group. I am new too and have already learned so much just being here. Karla SAHM to Jackie, , Jenna and Kamryn Visit the kids sites: <A HREF= " http://jackierenee88.homestead.com/Jackie1.html " >Jackie</A> <A HREF= " http://jackierenee88.homestead.com/1.html " ></A> <A HREF= " http://jacjoejensplace.homestead.com/JennasPage.html " >Jenna</A> <A HREF= " http://jacjoejensplace.homestead.com/NewBaby.html " >Kamryn</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2002 Report Share Posted January 30, 2002 Welcome to the group. This a very informative group and you will learn a lot. My son is 2 1/2 and is pdd. We are not sure if he is apraxic or not. We started the EFA's right after Xmas and he went from being non verbal to having 20 words and is getting more everyday. His words are not entirely functional but it is a start and I am overjoyed. You will find much support and kindness here. It has been a great source for me. Some days, I feel like I can not face things but I can come here for help and know that there are others out there who care for what you go through. Email any time the mood strikes you and welcome again Stacey [ ] New Member Hi Folks, Just joined a few days ago... trying to follow various posts. Some say to get a formal dx.. see a Developmental Ped. and others say Neurodevelopmental Ped? My son's Developmental Ped. stated verbal apraxia.. I am in the process of finding out from her if that is a " Formal Dx " or I need to seek that elsewhere. Also, my son is Autistic and I am curious to find out if parents whose children are Autistic have used Pro-epa and what the outcome was? Various parents have stated going to the right SLP and getting the correct program.. what does a speech program consist of for children with verbal apraxia? is currently getting an hour and a half a week at his IU preschool.. He will be going to Kindergarten in Sept, what amount of time do you request for speech at the district level? 4-5 hours a week? Thanks! __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2002 Report Share Posted January 31, 2002 Thank you Stacey for the info. & the Welcome! --- Stacey <staceydaniel@...> wrote: > Welcome to the group. This a very informative group > and you will learn a lot. My son is 2 1/2 and is > pdd. We are not sure if he is apraxic or not. We > started the EFA's right after Xmas and he went from > being non verbal to having 20 words and is getting > more everyday. His words are not entirely > functional but it is a start and I am overjoyed. > You will find much support and kindness here. It > has been a great source for me. Some days, I feel > like I can not face things but I can come here for > help and know that there are others out there who > care for what you go through. Email any time the > mood strikes you and welcome again > > Stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2002 Report Share Posted March 30, 2002 Welcome! Little crazy with getting ready for Easter but I will try and touch base with you next week. denise --- In @y..., " Kirt " <khernandez@e...> wrote: > Hi, > > My name is Dodie. My son is being tested for Apraxia. is 2 1/2 years old. We have been in they state program from 19 > months old. He has been in speech therapy at our local university for 2 semesters. They are looking into Verbal Apraxia. I have > been trying to find information on this disorder but it seems to be rare. Someone told me their may be a link with mercury > poisoning. Does anyone know if this is true? My son only says a few words; Da Da, Stop (vary inconsistent always put hand out), > and that. I have started him with sign language to reduce frustration. It has seemed to help. My biggest problem is knowing the > next step and what to look for. > > Please Help, > Dodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2002 Report Share Posted July 3, 2002 Hi Em and welcome to our wonderful family! Your symptoms certainly sound like you some type of inflammatory process going on in your body. Our moderators, and a will supply you with a ton of links to give you information and your various symptoms. Get as much knowledge as possible as this is your best tool in getting a good outcome in the treatment of any disease process. We are all here with the best " cyber ears " to listen to you and this is a safe place where you can vent and whine and never feel guilty about it. We have all been there at one time or another and sometimes have to go back! This disease is very unpredictable and never affects two people the same way. So go ahead and ask away, someone has been there, has a link or will just listen. Starting this long journey known as Rheumatological diseases is a long slow process and sometimes frustrating. Keep at it until you feel comfortable with your caregiver. We have all been made to feel intimidated by the medical profession at one time or another and sometimes still do. Come here to visit any time. Hope you enjoy this group as much as we will enjoy getting to know you. Hope that you have a safe, somewhat pain free and happy holiday with friends and family. Gentle, tender, patriotic angel hugs, Debs in FL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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