Vit C

April 25, 2006

You can check out www.curezone.com. It's run by the guy who wrote

the books and made the movie about laetrile, " World Without

Cancer " . Also check out artemisinin, it's being researched right

now for canine cancer and as a breast cancer preventative, but if

you read the articles, it " prevents " the cancer by killing 100% of

the cancer cells in vitro, in 24 hours! Ozone therapy is a neat one

where iv's of pure ozone/oxygen are given to convert the sick acid

blood to alkaline which kills all the gram negative bacteria and is

an inhospitable environment for cancer. Rife is another technology

being used for cancer. The vitamin C information can be found by

googling Rath or Cathcart. Dr. Rath has a nutritional approach that

uses some other supplements that seems pretty effective.

If it were me, I'd try to get vitamin C iv's, use artemisinin, and

probably laetrile. The ozone can be hard to find and I don't know

if rife works fast enough for a cancer like lung cancer. If you can

find someone to do the C iv's, make sure it's not one of those

quacks who only do it every other day, from what I read that does no

good at all, it has to be every day until the condition resolves,

then a follow up of high dose vit. c for awhile afterward, which can

be oral. Cathcart's site has directions for administering vitamin C

via iv that you can print out and give to a health care

professional. High doses of vit. C make you need additional

magnesium to prevent kidney stones.

Also, artemisinin cannot be used with radiation therapy, but can be

with chemo.

There are lots of other nutritional approaches to cancer that all

have people who have been cured by them, but for lung cancer you'd

want something that attacks fast and hard. Among the others, I've

heard very good things about the veggie diets where you eat tons of

fresh produce and lots of juice, but it's only safe to do this for a

year; after that the body starts to need more B vitamins again.

Please don't take any of this as medical advice; I'm no doctor. I

lost a friend to cancer a couple of years ago and since then I've

had the antennae up for what could have worked for her. I'm finding

that there are plenty of cures out there for cancer, but without

being able to patent them to recover the investment for the research

that will legally allow people to publicize it, they just cannot get

into the mainstream. Even doctors have to practice " consensus

medicine " which means if the mainstream doctors aren't using

whatever approach, they can lose their medical license for telling

their patients to try it. You can ask your doctor about specific

other therapies, tho, and if it's a cool doctor, then they'll know

about them and be able to answer your questions. Too many subscribe

to Quackwatch-type things though that tend to downplay any

alternative or nutritional approach to health and healing!

Good luck and God Bless!

>

February 1, 2007

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> Suggestions on the type of vitamin C to use. Buffered Vit C?

> Currently using buffered C (salgo palm) produced by Twin Labs. Seems

> to work well with other supplements I am taking.

>

==>, my main article specifies the kinds of vitamin C to take

(there are 2 recommended), and also there is a separate article on

Supplements; do a search on my website

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com

==>Buffered vit C doesn't allow you to take more when needed because it

usually contains calcium; therefore taking more vitamin C gives you too

much calcium. It is better to buy ascorbic acid crystals separately

and buffer it with baking soda per my article.

Bee

March 29, 2007

>

> I have been taking ascorbic acid with bioflavoinds from Thorne. I

have noticed increased rectal itching after taking the supplement. I

checked with the company and the ascorbic acid is made out of sucrose,

which they said almost all ascorbic acid is. I guess my question is,

can I do the program without taking the vit C as I believe this is

feeding the yeast?

==>Deb, when ascorbic acid is made it is chemically changed so it

doesn't contain sugar of any kind. The reason you are getting rectal

itching is because it affects healing, along with the diet and other

supplements. Apparently that area needs to be healed.

Bee

June 28, 2007

Mike,

I take a large dose of Vitamin C and have had positive results. If you look in

the Files you can read more about it, and our email Archives from April

2004 onward have experience with Vitamin C.

June 29, 2007

Hi everyone!

I was wondering if anyone has had experience with taking mega-doses of

Vit C, and if so, what impact has it had?

Mike

June 29, 2007

Thank you, .

June 30, 2007

My husband had to stop the megadoses of Vitamin C because of diarrhea. He took

it for several months and didn't notice any difference.

Elinor

July 1, 2007

Elinor,

Thank you for your kind response. I am sorry to hear that vit C was not

beneficial for your husband. Do youo mind if I ask what amount he was taking?

Thank you.

Mike

July 1, 2007

Hi

I am CMT2 and I take Vit C for 2 years, 2grams by day, at the beginning, I

believied it was an evolution of CMT but when I stopped taking the Vit C, the

secondary effect stop too. The effect was a pain under the foot(both) after a

few minutes, in walk or just stand, the more Istand the more the pain was, and

sometimes the pain remained for hours after I sit, to compare I think what I had

in few minutes was a day for a normal personn (stay without moving).

There are some secondary effects but most people assimilate it without

problem (normal amount)

Maex

July 12, 2007

Dear Matt,

I'm confused. Are you saying that the pain stopped when you stopped taking the

Vit. C? I thought Vit. C was helpful with CMT? Could expand on what you meant?

Thanks,

Dawn

July 13, 2007

Dawn;

Yes I take Vit C and love it. Don't stop ever, at least I try. What I meant

was that even though I take Vit C and my motivation was high for various reasons

prior to starting the project. Vit C was just one for the high motivation. I

guess I thought I could do more. It does not appear to be that way. I have paid

the price for over doing it. It has taken about 5 days now to recover. I go for

a massage tomorrow and that will help as well. Now I need to get back on the

fence this weekend. I can also now feel some muscle in my chest. This is cool,

its nice to be able to feel new muscle. You think you are crazy when you can

feel it but it is wonderful. I keep telling my Family MD that I am never going

to know when I am going to have a Heart Attack. She thinks I am nuts so it

works out well. The Vitamin C sure has helped a lot.

Hope this clears it up for you. If not let me know.

Matt

August 31, 2007

,

There is NO * recommended * dose of Vitamin C for CMT 1A or any other

types. Human clinical trials are in process and will be for some time.

Recommended * dietary * intake (RDA) for C is:

75 mg per day for women; 90 mg for men.

Smokers should add an additional 35 mg per day because their metabolic

turnover of vitamin C is more rapid, as is their rate of oxidative

stress.

More at http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/959704173.html

~ Gretchen

October 2, 2007

Morten,

I have tried to up my Vit C with juices, veggies, etc. On days when I do get

more, I do feel stronger and my feet don't give out as much. I have CMT 1A.

Dawn

October 19, 2008

Hello all. Question.

My wife came home with some Ester C. Is this as good as the normal Vit C. I

did not see Asorbic Acid in the ingredients list.

It states calcium ascorbate, and sodium ascorbate

Thanks

Matt

December 7, 2008

>

> Do you HAVE to give carnitine with the Vit C.?

No. If you are giving a regular amount of vitamin C, and your child

is not deficient in amino acids, and his body can manufacture

carnitine [it is made from two aminos], then you should be fine.

I gave my son lots of vitamin C, and his body was unable to keep up

with carnitine production, so I had to supplement extra carnitine.

Dana

February 26, 2009

Hi Everyone,

We've talked about this before but here's more evidence showing that

Vit C can reduce the effectiveness of Gleevec.

http://tinyurl.com/d7nxxh

Take care,

Tracey

February 26, 2009

Hi Jen,

In the article that I just posted, they hypothesized that the problem

with the Vit C is the effect it has on mitochondria which has a

direct impact on cancer cells but in another article I posted several

months ago, the problem of Vit C was linked to the way it was

metabolized by the liver (using the CYP 3A4 isoenzyme) which competes

with Gleevec. Either way, there appears to be clear evidence

suggesting that Vit C can interfere with Gleevec. Since Sprycel is

metabolized using the same pathway as Gleevec, I would have to assume

that the same interaction would apply to it.

Tracey

>

> Tracey-

>

> What about syprcel? It is true for that too do you know?

>

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February 27, 2009

Dear Group ,

If Vitamin C is such a bad antioxidants and goes against Gleevec, I should have

been dead long time ago! I regularly take 1000mgs. of Vitamin C daily, and yet

I am in total remission...hmmm funny how most medical physician don't know a

thing about nutrition and or antioxidants. I am a survivor for over 8 years,

taking Gleevec, for only the last 4 years, and the last 2 years on 400mgs.

Gleevec.

Secondly, Chemotherapy kills good and bad cells. Antioxidants prevent the

good cells from dying with chemo. The mitochondria- which generate energy for a

cell, is protected with vitamin C, not destroyed.

This article doesn't scare me in the least, at the very bottom of Reuters~

Heaney acknowledged that a study looking at cancer cells in lab dishes or in

mice is not the final work on the subjects and more research is needed. Also,

the finding are the latest development in the controversy over vitamins and

cancer. Big Pharma is fighting against vitamins and all antioxidants. They are

the ones who is charging us too much for our medication. They are the ones

responsible for all the kick backs they did with medical physicians.

I have 2 Oncologist, one at MSKCC-Memorial Sloan Kettering, and a local one

in my home town. Both know I take many antioxidants, and either of them

has ever discourage me on any of the 11 others that help me survive all the

side-effects, and on going problems while on Gleevec 400mgs.

I also have a health club that I attended everyday. If I am not using weights,

for strength and balance for my bones and muscle, I walk 2 miles in a track

circle. I do yoga, and pilates stretching, to keep myself lumber, and to

prevent the edema in my legs. I admit I don't eat meat, nor any dairy

products, however, I consume much Wild fish, organic veggies and lots

of fresh fruit daily. I meditate and pray, and I use acupuncture to ward off

the other pain such as bone pain.

If you google and look for the right medical and or nutritional research you

will find there has been over 100 books written on nutrition, antioxidants and

cancer. I invite you to research and find these 2 books on Amazon.com., and

maybe flip through the contents of the book prior in purchasing them.

1. Beating Cancer with Nutrition By: Quillin, Ph.d, RO, CNS

2. The Cancer Breakthrough By Steve Hinckey &

( A Handbook on Vitamin Therapy for Cancer Patient)

Yes, the cancer medication does target the liver, and all medications

damage the liver, but antioxidants prevent us from further damages

due to Chemo or Radiation.

My philosphy in food is that there are foods that can kill one, and foods that

can restore and help one survive cancer. Has anyone ever heard of an antioxidant

that actually caused death to someone? I didn't think so!

Blessing come in abundance!

Dory Doggie

________________________________

From: Tracey <traceyincanada@...>

Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:59:44 PM

Subject: [ ] Vit C

Hi Everyone,

We've talked about this before but here's more evidence showing that

Vit C can reduce the effectiveness of Gleevec.

http://tinyurl. com/d7nxxh

Take care,

Tracey

February 27, 2009

Hi Dory,

I'm reminded of the people who eat pounds and pounds of junk food

throughout their lives and say that it can't be so bad because it

hasn't killed them yet.

You're right, antioxidants can help prevent good cells from dying but

the problem is that they can also prevent the bad cells from dying.

This is the same reason that doctors tell us to avoid immune

stimulants such as echenecia. While they can boost the immune

system, they can also give the cancer an edge as well.

Common sense tells us to eat good, healthy foods but when it comes to

taking additional supplements you have to weigh the pros versus the

cons. There is evidence to suggest that Vit C can cause problems

when taken with Gleevec. I have not seen any evidence to suggest

that Vit C can be of any benefit when taken with Gleevec. This leads

me to think that the con of Vit C outweighs the pro. I personally

don't want to take a chance but to each his own.

Tracey

>

> Dear Group ,

>

> If Vitamin C is such a bad antioxidants and goes against Gleevec, I

should have

> been dead long time ago! I regularly take 1000mgs. of Vitamin C

daily, and yet

> I am in total remission...hmmm funny how most medical physician

don't know a thing about nutrition and or antioxidants. I am a

survivor for over 8 years, taking Gleevec, for only the last 4 years,

and the last 2 years on 400mgs. Gleevec.

>

> Secondly, Chemotherapy kills good and bad cells. Antioxidants

prevent the

> good cells from dying with chemo. The mitochondria- which generate

energy for a cell, is protected with vitamin C, not destroyed.

>

> This article doesn't scare me in the least, at the very bottom of

Reuters~ Heaney acknowledged that a study looking at cancer cells in

lab dishes or in mice is not the final work on the subjects and more

research is needed. Also, the finding are the latest development in

the controversy over vitamins and cancer. Big Pharma is fighting

against vitamins and all antioxidants. They are

> the ones who is charging us too much for our medication. They are

the ones

> responsible for all the kick backs they did with medical physicians.

>

> I have 2 Oncologist, one at MSKCC-Memorial Sloan Kettering, and a

local one

> in my home town. Both know I take many antioxidants, and either of

them

> has ever discourage me on any of the 11 others that help me

survive all the

> side-effects, and on going problems while on Gleevec 400mgs.

>

> I also have a health club that I attended everyday. If I am not

using weights,

> for strength and balance for my bones and muscle, I walk 2 miles in

a track

> circle. I do yoga, and pilates stretching, to keep myself lumber,

and to

> prevent the edema in my legs. I admit I don't eat meat, nor any

dairy

> products, however, I consume much Wild fish, organic veggies and

lots

> of fresh fruit daily. I meditate and pray, and I use acupuncture

to ward off

> the other pain such as bone pain.

>

> If you google and look for the right medical and or nutritional

research you will find there has been over 100 books written on

nutrition, antioxidants and cancer. I invite you to research and

find these 2 books on Amazon.com., and maybe flip through the

contents of the book prior in purchasing them.

>

> 1. Beating Cancer with Nutrition By: Quillin, Ph.d, RO, CNS

>

> 2. The Cancer Breakthrough By Steve Hinckey &

> ( A Handbook on Vitamin Therapy for Cancer Patient)

>

> Yes, the cancer medication does target the liver, and all

medications

> damage the liver, but antioxidants prevent us from further damages

> due to Chemo or Radiation.

>

> My philosphy in food is that there are foods that can kill one, and

foods that

> can restore and help one survive cancer. Has anyone ever heard of

an antioxidant that actually caused death to someone? I didn't think

so!

>

> Blessing come in abundance!

> Dory Doggie

>

> ________________________________

> From: Tracey <traceyincanada@...>

>

> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:59:44 PM

> Subject: [ ] Vit C

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> We've talked about this before but here's more evidence showing

that

> Vit C can reduce the effectiveness of Gleevec.

>

> http://tinyurl. com/d7nxxh

>

> Take care,

> Tracey

>

February 27, 2009

Tracey,

I am concerned now with my current regime of supplements after

reading all this stuff.I have had Gastric Bypass surgery and

Malabsorb.I am required to supplement A,D,E,K,B-1,B-6,B-

12,Iron,c,Zink,Copper,Calcium,Magnesium and Coromega.I take these

daily and am still deficient in many of these due to my surgery.My

Dr. said to continue to supplement but he isn't a specialist he's a

regular onc/hemo at the Cancer Center in town.No specialists

available to me..What would you reccomend?

Thanks for your help..

SharonS

In , " Tracey " <traceyincanada@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Dory,

>

> I'm reminded of the people who eat pounds and pounds of junk food

> throughout their lives and say that it can't be so bad because it

> hasn't killed them yet.

>

> You're right, antioxidants can help prevent good cells from dying

but

> the problem is that they can also prevent the bad cells from

dying.

> This is the same reason that doctors tell us to avoid immune

> stimulants such as echenecia. While they can boost the immune

> system, they can also give the cancer an edge as well.

>

> Common sense tells us to eat good, healthy foods but when it comes

to

> taking additional supplements you have to weigh the pros versus the

> cons. There is evidence to suggest that Vit C can cause problems

> when taken with Gleevec. I have not seen any evidence to suggest

> that Vit C can be of any benefit when taken with Gleevec. This

leads

> me to think that the con of Vit C outweighs the pro. I personally

> don't want to take a chance but to each his own.

>

> Tracey

>

February 27, 2009

I agree with Tracey. Unless there are proven deficiencies people

should avoid taking vitamin doses several time over the normal daily

value, it can have adverse effects even without the problem with

gleevec (bad for kidneys). Some studies also suggest that if

antioxydants may help prevent the occurrence of cancer, once the

cancer is present it may help the cancer cells to survive and

proliferate. The antioxydant=good is good marketing but too simple a

story, in the real world things are a bit more complex. And our

" chemo " is very different to the chemotherapy of most cancers,

targeted therapy is a better name. It doesn't kill any fast dividing

cells like most chemo drugs, but targets specifically leukemia cells.

Marcos.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Tracey <traceyincanada@...> wrote:

> Hi Dory,

>

> I'm reminded of the people who eat pounds and pounds of junk food

> throughout their lives and say that it can't be so bad because it

> hasn't killed them yet.

>

> You're right, antioxidants can help prevent good cells from dying but

> the problem is that they can also prevent the bad cells from dying.

> This is the same reason that doctors tell us to avoid immune

> stimulants such as echenecia. While they can boost the immune

> system, they can also give the cancer an edge as well.

>

> Common sense tells us to eat good, healthy foods but when it comes to

> taking additional supplements you have to weigh the pros versus the

> cons. There is evidence to suggest that Vit C can cause problems

> when taken with Gleevec. I have not seen any evidence to suggest

> that Vit C can be of any benefit when taken with Gleevec. This leads

> me to think that the con of Vit C outweighs the pro. I personally

> don't want to take a chance but to each his own.

>

> Tracey

>

>>

>> Dear Group ,

>>

>> If Vitamin C is such a bad antioxidants and goes against Gleevec, I

> should have

>> been dead long time ago! I regularly take 1000mgs. of Vitamin C

> daily, and yet

>> I am in total remission...hmmm funny how most medical physician

> don't know a thing about nutrition and or antioxidants. I am a

> survivor for over 8 years, taking Gleevec, for only the last 4 years,

> and the last 2 years on 400mgs. Gleevec.

>>

>> Secondly, Chemotherapy kills good and bad cells. Antioxidants

> prevent the

>> good cells from dying with chemo. The mitochondria- which generate

> energy for a cell, is protected with vitamin C, not destroyed.

>>

>> This article doesn't scare me in the least, at the very bottom of

> Reuters~ Heaney acknowledged that a study looking at cancer cells in

> lab dishes or in mice is not the final work on the subjects and more

> research is needed. Also, the finding are the latest development in

> the controversy over vitamins and cancer. Big Pharma is fighting

> against vitamins and all antioxidants. They are

>> the ones who is charging us too much for our medication. They are

> the ones

>> responsible for all the kick backs they did with medical physicians.

>>

>> I have 2 Oncologist, one at MSKCC-Memorial Sloan Kettering, and a

> local one

>> in my home town. Both know I take many antioxidants, and either of

> them

>> has ever discourage me on any of the 11 others that help me

> survive all the

>> side-effects, and on going problems while on Gleevec 400mgs.

>>

>> I also have a health club that I attended everyday. If I am not

> using weights,

>> for strength and balance for my bones and muscle, I walk 2 miles in

> a track

>> circle. I do yoga, and pilates stretching, to keep myself lumber,

> and to

>> prevent the edema in my legs. I admit I don't eat meat, nor any

> dairy

>> products, however, I consume much Wild fish, organic veggies and

> lots

>> of fresh fruit daily. I meditate and pray, and I use acupuncture

> to ward off

>> the other pain such as bone pain.

>>

>> If you google and look for the right medical and or nutritional

> research you will find there has been over 100 books written on

> nutrition, antioxidants and cancer. I invite you to research and

> find these 2 books on Amazon.com., and maybe flip through the

> contents of the book prior in purchasing them.

>>

>> 1. Beating Cancer with Nutrition By: Quillin, Ph.d, RO, CNS

>>

>> 2. The Cancer Breakthrough By Steve Hinckey &

>> ( A Handbook on Vitamin Therapy for Cancer Patient)

>>

>> Yes, the cancer medication does target the liver, and all

> medications

>> damage the liver, but antioxidants prevent us from further damages

>> due to Chemo or Radiation.

>>

>> My philosphy in food is that there are foods that can kill one, and

> foods that

>> can restore and help one survive cancer. Has anyone ever heard of

> an antioxidant that actually caused death to someone? I didn't think

> so!

>>

>> Blessing come in abundance!

>> Dory Doggie

>>

>> ________________________________

>> From: Tracey <traceyincanada@...>

>>

>> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:59:44 PM

>> Subject: [ ] Vit C

>>

>> Hi Everyone,

>>

>> We've talked about this before but here's more evidence showing

> that

>> Vit C can reduce the effectiveness of Gleevec.

>>

>> http://tinyurl. com/d7nxxh

>>

>> Take care,

>> Tracey

>>

February 27, 2009

I believe that the less vitamins or medication you take while on gleevec,

sprycel or tasigna the better off you are. I take nothing except vit. D

(2000 ius a day and Calcium 1200 a day.) Eat right and you will get what you

need.

That is my own opinion.

Aloha Sharon

_____

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Perreau Guimaraes

Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:54 AM

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