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Could you mention where you ordered the pills form?

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> A little about myself - well I was diagnosed with cervical cancer in

> September 2001 and had chemotherapy and radiation which finished at end of

> December. After the all clear I went back to work in April this year and

> rehabilitated myself working part-time increasing to full-time. After

> feeling really great that I had succeeded this far, I was starting to get

> pain again and after quite a few doctors appointments I finally got a

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> that sent me off for tests. I have just found out that one of my tests, a

> CT scan, shows that my cancer has come back again. Of course I am

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> progress is if any. If it is not good, then more chemotherapy. As this has

> totally horrified me, I have just given my notice in at work today. I have

> been at this place for 24 years but as far as my health is concerned my

> health is far more important to me. I now have a goal for the next two

> months to having a total positive outlook, which I had before anyway,

> extreme diet of good eating (fruit and vegetables etc), free of pressures

> and stress and morning walks as exercise. I want my scan in December to be

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Could you mention where you ordered the pills form?

Art B.

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> 10/07/2002 09:28

> AM

> Please respond to

>

>

>

>

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> Hi everyone

>

> I have just joined this list and look forward to reading and hearing about

> members and is very informative.

>

> A little about myself - well I was diagnosed with cervical cancer in

> September 2001 and had chemotherapy and radiation which finished at end of

> December. After the all clear I went back to work in April this year and

> rehabilitated myself working part-time increasing to full-time. After

> feeling really great that I had succeeded this far, I was starting to get

> pain again and after quite a few doctors appointments I finally got a

doctor

> that sent me off for tests. I have just found out that one of my tests, a

> CT scan, shows that my cancer has come back again. Of course I am

devastated

> that this surely could not be true and so soon. I am not being treated

again

> at the moment but go for a further CT scan in December to see what the

> progress is if any. If it is not good, then more chemotherapy. As this has

> totally horrified me, I have just given my notice in at work today. I have

> been at this place for 24 years but as far as my health is concerned my

> health is far more important to me. I now have a goal for the next two

> months to having a total positive outlook, which I had before anyway,

> extreme diet of good eating (fruit and vegetables etc), free of pressures

> and stress and morning walks as exercise. I want my scan in December to be

a

> good result so I have to achieve what I think might help me.

>

> If anyone can help me in areas please advise. I look forward to hearing

from

> you.

>

> Janette

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:

> http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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You should name the producer, not only the dealer.

I repeat my msg from some days ago:

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>Allergy Research Group 800-545-9960

>(cheapest but just as good)

as I understand Dr Narendra Singh, who is researching artemisinin,

the last statement is not correct.

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I used artemisinin from www.hepalin.com

Regards

At 20:10 Uhr +0200 10.10.2002, jrtex@... wrote:

>best price for Artemisinin, 100 mg, 90 pills,

>$16.80 plus shippiing, from www.myvitanet.com,

>800-807-8080 (Ohio time)

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Exploring things that seem to have benefit are certainly worthy and I have

done much in that way including Artemisinin.

In fact I did that more than two 1/2 years ago and conversed with one of the

persons doing the research on it.

Unfortunately it did not appear to be of benefit to me re bladder cancer,

however, most of us have learned that not everything works for everyone all

the time. If it did? Then the magic bullet would be the result.

There is no magic bullet, never was, never will be. We do need the

experts that know what 'seems' to work best and what does not and try to do

as much as we can of the things that 'seem' to work best and not waste time

on what does not. I do not put Artemisinin in that category of what does

not work simply because it did not 'seem' to work for me.

Neither did Apricot Kernels but they are still a viable course of action.

Joe C.

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Hi Joe,

What dose of artemisinin were you using? what brand?

Did you space it aside from other antioxidents?

Were you using artemisinin or any of the other derivatives?

Did you also take pancreatic enzymes while taking it?

Gubi

Re: [ ] Artemisinin

> Exploring things that seem to have benefit are certainly worthy and I have

> done much in that way including Artemisinin.

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> In fact I did that more than two 1/2 years ago and conversed with one of

> the

> persons doing the research on it.

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> Unfortunately it did not appear to be of benefit to me re bladder cancer,

> however, most of us have learned that not everything works for everyone

> all

> the time. If it did? Then the magic bullet would be the result.

>

> There is no magic bullet, never was, never will be. We do need the

> experts that know what 'seems' to work best and what does not and try to

> do

> as much as we can of the things that 'seem' to work best and not waste

> time

> on what does not. I do not put Artemisinin in that category of what

> does

> not work simply because it did not 'seem' to work for me.

> Neither did Apricot Kernels but they are still a viable course of action.

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> Joe C.

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From: " Donna " <donnadbd777@...>

> Seems there is a missed jewel of a supplement found in Artemisinin.

artemisinin (constituent of wormwood/Artemesia annua L.)--1 of the most

effective cancer-healing herbs; contains tannins, succinic acid, &

potassium; antiparasitic; antiangiogenic; " essentially a method of

delivering hydrogen peroxide " . Start with 100-200mg, and work up to at least

300mg twice a day (as much as 1000mg/day for large tumors). Probably best to

take it for 1 yr. Take between 10 and 11pm . Take it at night w/fat,

ideally Omega 3 (e.g., flax oil or [shark] liver oil), but no other food;

avoid eating protein for the rest of the evening. One source recommends

taking it for a week, stopping for a week, etc. Keep body alkaline while

using it. Synergistic w/green tea, curcumin/turmeric, ginsinosides, oxygen

therapies, vit. D, & hi-dose vit. C. Don't take tocopherol (vit. E) or

gluathione while using it. Don't take during radiation or while smoking or

for the 1st 2(+) wks after radiation or smoking cessation. Triggers

apoptosis; " [take] with a natural iron loading substance like Beet Powder or

Yellow Dock Root or Liver Peptone Powder...drink lots.of.water

w/electrolytes " Carolyn Bormann, ND, 4/02; " researcher at the Brewer Science

Library.wrote an article on...artemisinin for cancer

[www.mwt.net/~drbrewer/canart1.htm]....closest thing to a magic....[some

patients] need to take it with iron ....breast cancer may be a bit slower

[to respond]. " But it's highly effective w/breast cancer, as well as

lymphoma. It's most effective w/leukemia (including lymphoblastoid leuk.)

and hormonally-refracted cancers. Especially effective w/aggressive cancers.

Effective w/sarcoma, melanoma, larynx, ovarian, prostate (but PSA doesn't

drop), brain (including neuroblastoma & GBM; crosses blood-brain barrier),

renal, and metastatic breast cancer, & drug-resistant cancers. " In Vietnam

it is used.to arrest breast cancer. " Has been effective w/liver & kidney

cancer, lymphoma, NSCLC, & IBC; very effective w/colon cancer IF patient's

using pancreatic enzymes (and ideally also chelation). " using dietary and

lifestyle changes and artemisinin...50 to 60 percent long-term remission

rate " (www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy.htm). " `the Hoang medical

family.ha used artemisinin in combination with several other herbs to

treat cancer, and eliminate necrosis material....'...indicated that they

have achieved a 50-60 percent long-term remission rate in over 400 cancer

patients utilizing artemisinin together with a comprehensive cancer

strategy, and with no observed toxicity " (Rowen cited in

www.cancerdecisions.com/090503.html)

Hemoglobin levels may drop, and patient MAY thus need to take iron (which

should be taken in the form of herbs [dandelion, yellow dock, beet root]

seaweed (kelp, dulse) & other leafy greens). Dihydro-artemisinin's the most

effective form for most cancers. Artemix's the best form for brain cancer.

Artemether's a POTENTIALLY toxic form and can cause anemia. Women metabolize

it faster than men.

" In laboratory studies of radiation, resistant breast cancer cells that has

high propensity for accumulating iron revealed that artemisinin has 75

percent cancer cell killing properties in a 8 hours and almost 100

percent...within 24 hours when these cancer cells are `pre-loaded' with iron

after incubation with holotransferrin....normal cells remained virtually

unharmed. " Lam, M.D.

Holley Pharmaceuticals (866-8holley; holley.com) is reportedly 1 of the best

brands; B-Artemether Plus (contains artemisisin, artemether, & artesunate;

expensive; by Arrowhead) is another great brand. For info on Allergy

Research's brand,

www.nutricology.com/proddesc/discuss/highqualityartemisinin.htm

Another brand is www.hepalin.com

For more info,

www.townsendletter.com/Dec2002/artemisinin1202.htm (Rowen)

www.annieappleseedproject.org/artemisinin.html

www.artemisinin.org

www.cancure.org/artemesia.htm

www.healthfreedomsolutions.com

www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy.htm

www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/Artemisinin.cfm

www.uwnews.org/article.asp?articleID=5826

www.arrowheadhealthworks.com

www.stacks.msnbc.com/news/667259.asp

www.altcancer.com/artemis.htm

www.altcancer.com/docs/artemisinin.pdf

www.cancersalves.com/products/wormwood.html

www.herbmed.org/Herbs/Herb81.htm

www.powerhouse-supplements.com/artemisinin.html

www.enn.com/news/enn-stories/2001/11/11282001/s_45678.asp

www.danieljosiah.com/treatment.htm

www.doku.biblio.etc.tu-bs.de/pipermail/pharma/1999-October/002794.html

www.allergyresearchgroup.com/articles.htm

www.allergyresearchgroup.com/proddesc/discuss/ArtemisininPDFProductsheet1

www.donsbach.com/products (Can-Burst)

www.news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1678469.stm

www.homepages.uel.ac.uk/4474p/qingh.htm

www.shop.store./vitanet/ar100mg60cap.html

www.medicusmundi.ch/bulletin/bulletin7810.htm

www.mwt.net/~drbrewer/canart1.htm

www.itmonline.org/arts/chinghao.htm

www.pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/l/56855/

www.virology.uni-erlangen.de/tsstammi/PDF-Files/efferth-et-al2002.pdf

www.hepalin.com/art.html

www.fareye.com

www.cancerdecisions.com/090503.html & www.cancerdecisions.com/091203.html

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Like everything else, not all things work for everyone all the time. I

worked with Artemisinin and had even contacted Lam regarding dosages etc.

My bladder Cancer returned while using it and I used it properly and for

enough time.

However, that does not mean it does not work as the first sentence applies

and it 'seems' it did not work for me. Perhaps there was some benefit, I

just do not know. This should not be considered as advice against its use.

Perhaps some others might kick in with some positive response. I would

hope it works for others.

Joe C.

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Joe,

The info I am seeing is that arteminisin by itself is not as effective as it

is when you combine it with iron supplements. Were you using iron while

using arteminisin? Evidentally the two react inside cancer cells and cause

apoptosis.

Syd

>From: " JCASTRON "

>Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005

>Like everything else, not all things work for everyone all the time. I worked

with Artemisinin and had even contacted Lam regarding dosages etc.

>My bladder Cancer returned while using it and I used it properly and for enough

time.

>However, that does not mean it does not work as the first sentence applies and

it 'seems' it did not work for me. Perhaps there was some benefit, I just do

not know. This should not be considered as advice against its use.

>Perhaps some others might kick in with some positive response. I would hope

it works for others. >Joe C.

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Syd wrote: " Joe, The info I am seeing is that arteminisin by itself is not as

effective as it is when you combine it with iron supplements. Were you using

iron while using arteminisin? Evidentally the two react inside cancer cells and

cause apoptosis? "

At the time, and it could have changed, Lai (not Lam as I originally wrote) told

me I need not be concerned with Iron.

Apparently what they were doing was loading people up, not with Iron

supplements as we generally know them, but rather a form injected into the

system.

Here's a bit from Dr. Rowan:

" The product is best taken on an empty stomach with some natural fat to

enhance absorption. Any iron present from residual food may neutralize the

peroxides. Mile is one of the few foods with minimal iron. Whole milk,

cottage cheese or yogurt have ample fat to enhance absorption. Additionally,

I believe simultaneous administration of cod liver oil (for its omega-3 and

vitamin D) and conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) will assist absorption, while

providing therapeutic benefits. To date, with the exception of patients very

near death, taking artemisinin or derivatives have stabilized, improved, or

remitted every cancer patient I have followed. "

I repeat, this still has encouraging aspects and I do not rule out using it

again. Depending upon an upcoming exam, anything is possible. I am sure

that there have been newer development since I first approached its use two

years ago.

OK, I found it:

Perhaps the most promising of the methods licensed involves the use of

transferrin, to which the researchers bind artemisinin at the molecular

level. Transferrin is an iron-carrying protein found in blood, and is

transported into cells via transferrin receptors on a cell's surface.

Iron-hungry cancer cells typically have significantly more transferrin

receptors on their surface than normal cells, which allows them to take in

more of the iron-carrying protein. That, according to Lai, is what seems to

make the compound so effective.

" We call it a Trojan horse because a cancer cell recognizes transferrin as a

natural, harmless protein and picks up the tagged compound without knowing

that a bomb - artemisinin - is hidden inside. "

Once inside the cancer cell, the iron is released and reacts with the

artemisinin. That makes the compound both highly toxic and, because of

cancer's rapacious need for iron, highly selective. Surrounding, healthy

cells are essentially undamaged.

" Our research in the lab indicated that the artemisinin-tagged transferrin

was 34,000 times more effective in selecting and killing the cancer cells

than normal cells, " Lai said. " Artemisinin alone is 100 times more

effective, so we've greatly enhanced the selectivity. "

For more information, contact Lai at 206-543-1071 or hlai@....

The Holley contact is Liu, 714-606-8415 or

michael@.... "

"

It was the 'Transferrin' that we spoke about and Lai said I need not worry

about it. Additionally he did tell me to watch my stools for evidence of

'lightening' that might indicate toxicity. If I am not mistaken one does

not want iron rich foods because it is the cells that must be iron rich, not

our blood stream. Lai is supposedly the man and I do note that the above

numbers include a distributor of Artemisinin. There's always a pitch

somewhere which does not always mean $$$ rules.

Perhaps those list experts can touch on this subject.

Joe C.

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Joe,

One thing I picked up somewhere is that the more aggressive cancers grow

faster and need more iron, therefore they have more iron receptors and are

more susceptible to artemisinin. Conversely, slower cancers, such as non

aggressive prostate cancers, do not respond as well as they have less iron

receptors.

Syd

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Ellen and Bob,

I sent this message to Dr. Tian:

I am a breast cancer patient who has elected to do totally alternative therapy.

I recently added Artemisinin to my protocol. Beginning about 5 days ago I began

experiencing upper GI distress so severely that I stopped all my supplements and

had to also stop eating. I am drinking water and eating small bits of food to

keep up my strength, but I still experience discomfort. My doctor has me using

activated charcoal and Anticid to help control the gastric discomfort. Do you

have any idea if the Artemisinin may have caused this?

Has anybody else here experienced anything like this with Artemesinin?

From: Ellen & Bob

Be VERY careful with artemisinin!

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Ellen and Bob,

I got an answer from Dr. Tian already. He invited me to send him the reports on

my breast cancer and said that he would be glad to advise me. But I have a

question - why would he do this?

From: Ellen & Bob

call or e-mail my TCM oncologist for a FREE consultation; he will answer all

your questions about this herb, no strings. Artemisinin is well-known to Dr.

Tian.

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What brand of artemisinin were you using?

Gubi

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Ellen and Bob,

I sent this message to Dr. Tian:

I am a breast cancer patient who has elected to do totally alternative

therapy. I recently added Artemisinin to my protocol. Beginning about 5 days ago

I began experiencing upper GI distress so severely that I stopped all my

supplements and had to also stop eating. I am drinking water and eating small

bits of food to keep up my strength, but I still experience discomfort. My

doctor has me using activated charcoal and Anticid to help control the gastric

discomfort. Do you have any idea if the Artemisinin may have caused this?

Has anybody else here experienced anything like this with Artemesinin?

From: Ellen & Bob

Be VERY careful with artemisinin!

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I have much respect for anybody overcoming breast cancer naturally!

If this book can be of any support or help to anybody on this board, as it has

to others that I know, then I want to share it with you. Check for it at

www.amazon.com or www.half.com, it should be quite cheap used:

How I Conquered Cancer Naturally (Paperback)

by Eydie Mae Hunsberger

Eydie had breast cancer....

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL MY HEROES!

a

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Hi Ellen,

Posted by: " Ellen & Bob " rhudy@...

<<Be VERY careful with artemisinin! I met a gal through my CLL group

who was taking big doses and wound up in the hospital for days. Very

strong stuff.>>

I'm very sorry to hear about this gal's experience, but I think your warning

above is excessive. I doubt there's much more danger w/artemisinin than

w/the average herb (or other alt. cancer therapy). Artemisinin's been used

extensively for ages to treat malaria (in much higher dosages than are used

w/cancer patients), parasites, etc. It's also been used safely w/thousands

of cancer patients. There is a slight danger in using it long-term (which

cancer patients are prescribed to do), and (like many supplements) it is of

course ideal to use it under the guidance of a health practitioner. I've

heard that artemether (in contrast to ordinary artemisinin) does carry a

small but significant hazard.

Leonard

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Leonard's comments, as usual, came quickly to the point and pretty much describe

my own experience with Artemisinin.

I had originally spoken with persons directly involved with the research and

there were some suggestions (cautions) to look for. There were no negative

results that I experienced and yes, it has been used for ages. It is now a

couple of years since using it and I recall something about cutting back usage

if the stool became much lighter than usual. However my recollection of this

is hazy. (Senior moment I guess)

Sometimes our bodies react to something and anything we have done in and around

that time might get the blame for it while not really being the cause. However

many of us continue to make extreme statements without thinking things through

but that is human nature. Luckily someone comes along and clarifies things.

Thank you Leonard.

Joe C.

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i know of one positive case where artemisinin has been used in myeloma with

velcade at the same time. the guy said he had an " especially " good and quick

result with velcade that he could rule out as being the effect of artemisinin,

and that he was unwilling not

to contiune taking a maintenance dosing of this compound.

he is in or very close to remission.

this is good in myeloma which is very hard to get disease free stability.

yet someone else had a go....with other myeloma drugs and it did nothing.

i am likely to be doing velcade before long & artemisinin is on my list.

joe

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Hi Dara, My personal experience with Artemisinin is that it doesn't work very

well. I was on it for many months at 600mg a day and while it reduced my

symptoms some my babesia came right back as soon as I took a couple days off.

I've heard now that many doctors have stopped using Artemisinin because it

elevates some particular enzyme in the liver I believe that can be dangerous.

This is why its necessary to pulse this herb. Using the whole herb called

Artemisia is far less toxic and can be used in the higher doses that are often

proving necessary to beat this infection.

I also just read an account from a woman who had been taking 6000mg artemisa for

six months and even that didn't help her babesia much. There are so many

different strains of babesia, over thirty, and some dont respond to treatment as

well as others.

There is a Lyme Literate Chinese Medicine doctor in NYC named Dr. Zhang who has

been having a lot of success using Artesunate which is also made from Artemisia.

Cryptolepsis is another herb that has been shown to be helpful against

bababesia. I can't seem to kick this infection so i'm trying to learn as much

as I can.

I don't want to sound too pessimistic though, your son might beat it with the

standard protocol. That happens too of course.

I have also found that a supplement called K Mag KG from Source Naturals helps

relieve some of my babesia herx symptoms.

I hope your boy is feeling better soon.

Thane

>

> My 6yo had his 1mo check with the LLMD today. He has been on refampin for lyme

and erlichiosis for 1 month. A herx reaction started on day 8 and on week 4 is

starting to calm down (emotional and behavioral sx). His initial blood work was

normal except for slightly elevated WBC count. Now, for babesia, he is to take

artemisinin. Can anyone share their experience using this herb for their child?

I don't know much about it yet, and did not think at the time to aks about risks

associated with it. I was told to expect another herx.

>

> Thanks,

> Dara

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Thanks Thane. The doc told me his plan is to start with artemisinin to kill off

some of the babesia, and then add an antibiotic for it. He thinks this is more

gentle approach than starting with the antibiotic. I found a whole book written

about it today, but honestly, I can't keep up with all of the reading I could

want to do. I have lyme books, and now should add babesia books and herb books,

and my mom just got me Dr. Zhang's book. I'm glad I have this site to go to for

some quicker info!

Dara

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> > My 6yo had his 1mo check with the LLMD today. He has been on refampin for

lyme and erlichiosis for 1 month. A herx reaction started on day 8 and on week

4 is starting to calm down (emotional and behavioral sx). His initial blood work

was normal except for slightly elevated WBC count. Now, for babesia, he is to

take artemisinin. Can anyone share their experience using this herb for their

child? I don't know much about it yet, and did not think at the time to aks

about risks associated with it. I was told to expect another herx.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Dara

> >

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Hi Dara and friends,

My name is Glenda and I too suffer from some form of babesia, nothing works

as I just hurx too much. When I went to my LLMD he told me he wanted to start me

on Artemisinin, but was quick to tell me the problems people have had. He told

me of a Dr. in CA is is conversing with and he wants to start me on a low dose,

take for 4 days and stop for ten. Then maybe for 5 days but no longer then this,

then off 5. They have found that after this amount of time the herb is no good

to you or the purpose due to the liver taking over and chewing it up Quote. I am

sorry as my son is ill, this apt. was 3wks ago and I have not gotten it started

it or remember the dose, but I believe when he said pulse he meant it. Starting

in the 200mg and working up with a promise I would get sick over those days. My

son has bee priority, he was born with this and we are helping him. When I

start, I will start a thread.

God Bless

Glenda Scheuring

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> > > My 6yo had his 1mo check with the LLMD today. He has been on refampin for

lyme and erlichiosis for 1 month. A herx reaction started on day 8 and on week

4 is starting to calm down (emotional and behavioral sx). His initial blood work

was normal except for slightly elevated WBC count. Now, for babesia, he is to

take artemisinin. Can anyone share their experience using this herb for their

child? I don't know much about it yet, and did not think at the time to aks

about risks associated with it. I was told to expect another herx.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Dara

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Dara, in my reply below, I am always on4-5 days off 10days. Said I may get

better in two months. We'll see cant afford to be sick now with the herx. I will

post about my son. Sorry about misprint.

> > > >

> > > > My 6yo had his 1mo check with the LLMD today. He has been on refampin

for lyme and erlichiosis for 1 month. A herx reaction started on day 8 and on

week 4 is starting to calm down (emotional and behavioral sx). His initial blood

work was normal except for slightly elevated WBC count. Now, for babesia, he is

to take artemisinin. Can anyone share their experience using this herb for their

child? I don't know much about it yet, and did not think at the time to aks

about risks associated with it. I was told to expect another herx.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Dara

> > > >

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