Probiotics

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<danobryon@z...> wrote:

> My son has been on pro-bio gold from Kirkman's for almost a year.

We are getting close to running out and I was thinking that I should

> order a different brand so his body won't be so " used " to the pro-

> biotics. Does anyone have suggestions on good gf/cf brands?

Glad the itchy bum got resolved!

I am not sure that the body gets " used " to particular strains and so

you would NEED to switch, but I know what you are asking.

We use Culturelle. My younger son had the most horrid, stench to his

bm's ever. I bet the smell would drop a running moose in 2 seconds

flat. I started using the Culturelle on the advice of another mom on

these boards and it was the only thing that worked. Every time I

switched to another brand to add more strains, the smell returned. We

tried Pro-Bio Gold, 2 varieties of Florajen (from my pharmacist), and

Reuteri (from the health food store). When talking with Dr. Shaw at

the conference he said it sounded like my son had a Clostridia

bacteria overgrowth and Culturelle was THE THING to use for it. The

others wouldn't be effective. We have returned to the Culturelle

giving 3 or the 20-billion unit kind / day. I also give some scFOS

twice a day with him. A pretty aggressive dose. Within 1 week the

smell is almost nill.

All of the others brands were fine, I think, and we didn't have any

adverse reactions, but we use the Culturelle now for this reason.

There is a running debate if Culturelle contains any trace casein or

not and I have heard both sides. But I haven't heard of anybody

having a reaction to it.

Here is a site that explains how probiotics work in the body. It

focuses on their long standing product Culturelle, but there is a lot

of good general information and diagrams.

http://www.valio.fi/lgg/research.html

.

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Sorry, I don't have an answer - just another question about Pro-bio

Gold. Previously we had our son on a GNC product and started seeing formed

stools for the first time in his 4.5 yrs. As I was running out of that

brand I decided to try the Pro-bio Gold, as it had more strains. However,

now we are seeing mushy bm's again. Anyone have any thought on

this? Maybe just an initial adjustment or go back to the GNC product?

Thanks

Elaine in GA

At 05:31 PM 10/18/01 +0000, you wrote:

>My son has been on pro-bio gold from Kirkman's for almost a year. We

>are getting close to running out and I was thinking that I should

>order a different brand so his body won't be so " used " to the pro-

>biotics. Does anyone have suggestions on good gf/cf brands?

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>>Previously we had our son on a GNC product and started seeing

formed stools for the first time in his 4.5 yrs.

Could you list the strains and amounts of the GNC product that

worked? That might give a clue.

.

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I am stuck now. The two eldest, like I said, have very bad stomach pains and

'mushy poo' (sorry-their words!).

, you suggested stopping all enzymes for 4 or 5 days then restarting.

The boys however are eating loads, just doubling over with pain in between.

The little one is very spacey this afternoon.

Do you think I should still stop the enzymes? Sorry this is all new to me.

Thanks

Jacqui

[ ] Re: Probiotics

> <danobryon@z...> wrote:

> > My son has been on pro-bio gold from Kirkman's for almost a year.

> We are getting close to running out and I was thinking that I should

> > order a different brand so his body won't be so " used " to the pro-

> > biotics. Does anyone have suggestions on good gf/cf brands?

>

> Glad the itchy bum got resolved!

>

> I am not sure that the body gets " used " to particular strains and so

> you would NEED to switch, but I know what you are asking.

>

> We use Culturelle. My younger son had the most horrid, stench to his

> bm's ever. I bet the smell would drop a running moose in 2 seconds

> flat. I started using the Culturelle on the advice of another mom on

> these boards and it was the only thing that worked. Every time I

> switched to another brand to add more strains, the smell returned. We

> tried Pro-Bio Gold, 2 varieties of Florajen (from my pharmacist), and

> Reuteri (from the health food store). When talking with Dr. Shaw at

> the conference he said it sounded like my son had a Clostridia

> bacteria overgrowth and Culturelle was THE THING to use for it. The

> others wouldn't be effective. We have returned to the Culturelle

> giving 3 or the 20-billion unit kind / day. I also give some scFOS

> twice a day with him. A pretty aggressive dose. Within 1 week the

> smell is almost nill.

>

> All of the others brands were fine, I think, and we didn't have any

> adverse reactions, but we use the Culturelle now for this reason.

> There is a running debate if Culturelle contains any trace casein or

> not and I have heard both sides. But I haven't heard of anybody

> having a reaction to it.

>

> Here is a site that explains how probiotics work in the body. It

> focuses on their long standing product Culturelle, but there is a lot

> of good general information and diagrams.

> http://www.valio.fi/lgg/research.html

>

> .

>

>

>

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> I am stuck now. The two eldest, like I said, have very bad stomach

pains and

> 'mushy poo' (sorry-their words!).

> , you suggested stopping all enzymes for 4 or 5 days then

restarting.

> The boys however are eating loads, just doubling over with pain in

between.

> The little one is very spacey this afternoon.

> Do you think I should still stop the enzymes? Sorry this is all new

to me.

> Thanks

> Jacqui

Sorry I lost the train of thought on this thread, but the title is

" probiotics " and I think you have already said your boys are gfcf. So

here are my thoughts.

What foods are they eating " loads " of? If high phenol foods, that

would cause me and my children stomach pain and other issues. Second,

none of us tolerate any probiotics, even with enzymes, so I would be

suspicious that it might be the probiotics, either just themselves, or

they might be causing a yeast die off effect.

I hope that was at least marginally helpful.

Dana

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It was Lactobacillus acidophilus only.

>Could you list the strains and amounts of the GNC product that

>worked? That might give a clue.

>

>.

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Kyo-Dophilus can be purchased at GNC. It has L. acidophilus, B. bifidum and B.

longum. They come in 350 mg. capsules. There are 90 capsules per bottle, and

one bottle runs $17.99 + tax.

Heidi

Probiotics

Has anyone had negative reactions to taking probiotics? We switched

probiotics because we thought that there might be something in it

that wasn't agreeing with my daughter. We know that both brands are

gluten and dairy free. We've also reduced dosages with thoughts that

it could be too much for her system all at once. She seems to

experience very bad gas from the probiotics. I haven't found the

kydophilis that Dr. G has recommended. Anyone else found this and

know specifically whats in it? Thanks for the help, Terri

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If you are not familiar with probiotics, get with the program, it is one of the

newest developments on the block.

Probiotics, probiotic research and probiotic foods are fast growing topics as

consumer awareness continues to increase. The USprobiotics.org site is a

comprehensive, up-to-date resource on probiotic reseach and development and the

consumer health benefits of probiotics in the United States as well as a

reference for global probiotic activities.

This site will give consumers, healthcare professionals and industry

professionals a good background on the world of probiotics - what they are, what

we know about them, and what to consider for commercial and personal use.

Research has suggested that probiotic bacteria can:

Help reduce the risk of certain diarrheal illnessesref

Assist lactose intolerantref people with lactose digestion

a.. Enhance the immune functionref

http://www.usprobiotics.org/

Harvard Medical School of Nutrition offers this information: Probiotics are a

diverse group of live microbes defined by FAO/WHO as " live microorganisms which

when administered in sufficient quantities can confer a health benefit. " The

field of probiotics is an evolving field. Used historically around the world for

health promotion and therapeutic purposes, probiotics have now become mainstream

in the United States and are part of a huge food and supplement market.

http://www.presentme.com/harvard/oct2008.asp

Blessings,

Lottie

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I use Suprema Dophilus, 5 Billion viable cells per capsule, are vegetarian

but does contain the FOS (60mg) you asked about. Label says it contains no

salt, wheat, gulten, corn, soy, preservatives, artifical colors, or

flavors. They are also shelf stable and do not require refrigeration.

I would like to hear what brand probiotics people take with good results.

I have been using Custom Probiotic, but not sure for the price they are

helping much. There are alot out there to choose from, but a lot have FOS in

them. With my yeast issues I can't do anything that would increase sugar in

my system. Thanks.

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I used to take probiotics but got too exspensive I take acidophilus

In a message dated 6/16/2010 12:16:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

glypella@... writes:

I just read somewhere that now it's recommended that you take only one

type of probiotic strain at a time, rather than a blend of them. Maybe

it was the Mayo Clinic where I saw it. Anyway, it's now believed that

each strain will work better if taken alone.

Barth

www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html

SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

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T> Sue, where can you purchase it? It appears the company is based in

Australia.

T>

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>> my son is taking Progurt which contains human probiotic strains that can

>> colonize the gut, his doc said that they have used it with remarkable

>> results on about 10 of their most environmentally sensitive patients to

>> date, a couple miracle cures, just from this probiotic, you can google

>> and read about it. sue v

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Sue, where can you purchase it? It appears the company is based in Australia.

>

> my son is taking Progurt which contains human probiotic strains that can

> colonize the gut, his doc said that they have used it with remarkable

> results on about 10 of their most environmentally sensitive patients to

> date, a couple miracle cures, just from this probiotic, you can google

> and read about it. sue v

[Guest guest]

I just read somewhere that now it's recommended that you take only one

type of probiotic strain at a time, rather than a blend of them. Maybe

it was the Mayo Clinic where I saw it. Anyway, it's now believed that

each strain will work better if taken alone.

Barth

www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html

SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

---

T> Sue, where can you purchase it? It appears the company is based in Australia.

T>

>>

>> my son is taking Progurt which contains human probiotic strains that can

>> colonize the gut, his doc said that they have used it with remarkable

>> results on about 10 of their most environmentally sensitive patients to

>> date, a couple miracle cures, just from this probiotic, you can google

>> and read about it. sue v

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I prefer to take naturally fermented foods whenever possible - that's how

our ancestors received the old-fashioned pro-biotics! Most older cultures

had some sort of fermented foods - apple cider, kimchi, sauerkraut,

kombochu, kefir, natto are just a few example... the naturally prepared

forms of these foods are VERY beneficial.

Jeri

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Interesting but I can't drink apple cider or eat sauerkraut. What are some

other foods?

I prefer to take naturally fermented foods whenever possible - that's how

our ancestors received the old-fashioned pro-biotics! Most older cultures

had some sort of fermented foods - apple cider, kimchi, sauerkraut,

kombochu, kefir, natto are just a few example... the naturally prepared

forms of these foods are VERY beneficial.

[Guest guest]

It is NOT recommended that mold-injured folks eat fermented foods of any sort,

so I would stay away from them... D

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> Interesting but I can't drink apple cider or eat sauerkraut. What are some

> other foods?

>

> I prefer to take naturally fermented foods whenever possible - that's how

> our ancestors received the old-fashioned pro-biotics! Most older cultures

> had some sort of fermented foods - apple cider, kimchi, sauerkraut,

> kombochu, kefir, natto are just a few example... the naturally prepared

> forms of these foods are VERY beneficial.

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>

>

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anything that is live, unpasturized and fermented like miso. You can make a

live, fermented food yourself out of vegetables as well. I've never done it, but

have seen kits for it at health food stores.

The live and unpasturised part is imperative. If it is heated at all the

benefits are nil.�

But keep in mind that alot of people with mold issues cannot tolerate fermented

foods.. I think Dr. Shoemaker says it is not good. But as with everything else,

there are exceptions it seems as to what things affect one person versus

another. Are you allergic to ac vinegar and sauerkraut? If you can't eat them

for other reasons, probably due to the reasons Dr. S warns against it. Most

fermented foods would fall under the same category.

Interesting but I can't drink apple cider or eat sauerkraut. What are some other

foods?

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ok, my son is supposed to avoid " mold foods " due to candida, so ....

thanks, sue

>I'll see if I can locate the information I had about it. But, if you

>look at diets recommended for mold-injured folks, it eliminates anything

>fermented. I had fermentation going on in my gut when I was initially

>exposed. That is the reason people have trouble with beer, malt, etc.

>You see folks here talking about vinegar and how they react to it, they

>are not allergic to apples, its the fermentation process. I know all the

>mold docs say to stay away from them.

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>

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>> why is this? sue v.

>>

>> >It is NOT recommended that mold-injured folks eat fermented foods of any

>> >sort, so I would stay away from them... D

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for those takeing probiotics, how do you know which ones you need, have you been

tested? from what I've read, you can over do it and that could be bad. I saw

where smokey labs does testing, has anyone had that done. the article I posted

said that our bodies well produce the good bacteria that we need, wonder if this

includes after major exposure in a WDB. I can see where probiotics would surely

help right after exposures to help get the good bacterias back but what about

much later on? when possably the body has/is regulating itself?

how much is to much? anyone know?

if you get your ph regulated doesn't this also mean your stomach flora is

healthy? wouldn't that mean your good bacterias are at a good level? has anyone

had there ph tested who's takeing probiotics?

I'm kindof think that our bodies immune system works very hard to get some

things back on tract after exposures and to rid our bodies of intruders but the

damage to the organs caused by exposure, like bile backing up into the stomach,

gall bladder damage, for example can

cause effects to the stomach that probiotics may not help at all.

has anyone had there gall bladder removed? if so has that helped with the

reflux/influx problems?

the few years of liveing on greens and white meat did help my stomach

where I can tolerate some foods I couldn't and I'm no longer in a constant state

of dierrhea. haven't had bloody stools for quite a while. I actually ate a

couple of dorito chips the other day to see if I still had the horriable

reaction with the stomach and beyond that I used to have with even the tiniest

bit of corn product and my stomach didn't go throw a fit. but this bile influx

thing is just a pretty constant thing to deal with. maybe I just need the

gallbladder removed.

I think a bile influx problem caused by disfunction in the gall bladder or

valves could be covering up a relux problem that everyone else seems to have.

reflux is to much stomach acid so that would be a ph balance problem right?

stomach flora, yeast problem or lack of good bacterias.

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> >> why is this? sue v.

> >>

> >> >It is NOT recommended that mold-injured folks eat fermented foods of any

> >> >sort, so I would stay away from them... D

>