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I would suggest finding an MD who offers chelation therapy, and ask

for an assessment. And find a syncrometer therapist who will accept a

saliva sample from you to test. Then detoxify as much as you can

afford, focussing on the most likely causes of your symptoms.

Somewhere along the line you will find results.

I got rid of my depression (after 40 years of it) while doing Dr.

's kidney cleanse.

Best wishes.

Leo

> Hi

> I'm new to the list. I'm trying to find outhow to cure my problems.

After using the Zapper I have had less problems with my lungs. My

guess is that the emphazima that I was diagnosed with was realy

parasites. However the Zapper doesent seem to help my other problems.

But they read exactly like the symtoms of low cronic mercury

intoxication: anxiety, irritability, fatigue, outbursts of temper,

stress intolerance, loss of self confidence, indecision, clinical

depression, increased sensitivity to light, timidity, excessive

shyness, embarrassment with insufficent reason, self conciousness,

insomnia, lack of concentration, memory loss, fatigue, numbness in my

arms, muscular weakness, drowsyness, slurred speach, stammering,

difficulty pronouncing words, difficulty remembering words,

gastrointestinal disturbances, dizzynes, loss of hair, graying of

hair, brain fog.

> Just writing this is a majior chore rechecking spelling and trying

to stay focused!

> Also I wondered if other symtoms I have could be related:

dehydration, increased need for water and urination, decreased

hearing, tightening of throat & coughing, decreased tolerance to heat

& cold, excessive sweeting and sinus problems?

> Also can I be diagnosed mercury toxic?I might find some reletives

to

help if I can show evidence.

> Are there any qualified dentist or toxicity centers near me? I live

near Branson MO. Or near St louis I have relatives there.

> I would also like to know if the electrical current from the Zapper

can cause increased release of murcury?

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The DAMS (dental amalgam mercury syndrome) people have a listing of all

mercury free dentists. The number is 1-800-311-6265. To answer your last

question, I have never heard of the zapper helping to release mercury. I have

had all the metal removed from my mouth and am regaining my health. If I can

help you, please fell free to e-mail me personally.

Jan

<< Are there any qualified dentist or toxicity centers near me? I live near

Branson MO. Or near St louis I have relatives there.

I would also like to know if the electrical current from the Zapper can

cause increased release of murcury? >>

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I called the number, and they offer an information packet.

Unfortunately, I guess their voice mail box was full because the system

did not allow me to leave a message. Anyone else have this

experience?

At 02:49 AM 4/27/00 -0400, you wrote:

,

The DAMS (dental amalgam mercury syndrome) people have a listing of all

mercury free dentists. The number is 1-800-311-6265. To answer your last

question, I have never heard of the zapper helping to release mercury. I

have

had all the metal removed from my mouth and am regaining my health. If I

can

help you, please fell free to e-mail me personally.

Jan

<< Are there any qualified dentist or toxicity centers near me? I

live near

Branson MO. Or near St louis I have relatives there.

I would also like to know if the electrical current from the Zapper can

cause increased release of murcury? >>

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Yes, I tried to leave a message yesterday and I figured the mailbox was

full also.

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" R. Sooley, D.C." wrote:

I called the number, and they offer an information

packet. Unfortunately, I guess their voice mail box was full because

the system did not allow me to leave a message. Anyone else have

this experience?

At 02:49 AM 4/27/00 -0400, you wrote:

,

The DAMS (dental amalgam mercury syndrome) people have a listing

of all

mercury free dentists. The number is 1-800-311-6265. To answer

your last

question, I have never heard of the zapper helping to release mercury.

I have

had all the metal removed from my mouth and am regaining my health.

If I can

help you, please fell free to e-mail me personally.

Jan

<< Are there any qualified dentist or toxicity centers near

me? I live near

Branson MO. Or near St louis I have relatives there.

I would also like to know if the electrical current from the Zapper

can

cause increased release of murcury? >>

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I was able to leave a message when I called. I'll let you know when I

get the info. Thanks Jan!

My mercury symtoms seem to be worse after Zapping. I recently read

about electromagnetic fields causing an increase in murcury release

from Amalgam fillings. Sitting in front of a computer screen was

given as an example. Since it was tested and confirmed. Thus the

question about the Zapper causing an increase too.

It also occured to me that it could be from toxins in the parasites

that were killed??

> >,

> >

> >The DAMS (dental amalgam mercury syndrome) people have a listing

of all

> >mercury free dentists. The number is 1-800-311-6265. To answer

your last

> >question, I have never heard of the zapper helping to release

mercury. I have

> >had all the metal removed from my mouth and am regaining my

health. If I can

> >help you, please fell free to e-mail me personally.

> >

> >Jan

> >

> ><< Are there any qualified dentist or toxicity centers near me? I

live near

> >Branson MO. Or near St louis I have relatives there.

> >I would also like to know if the electrical current from the

Zapper can

> >cause increased release of murcury? >>

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<< I called the number, and they offer an information packet. Unfortunately,

I guess their voice mail box was full because the system did not allow me

to leave a message. Anyone else have this experience? >>

Yes, I meant to mention that it is a volunteer association and it sometimes

hard to catch a person when they are in. I had a better number, but can't

find it. Someone mentioned that Hal Huggin's websites might have a number

also. I think Jeff might be able to help also. He has some websites. He

had CFS and found his problem was the metal in his mouth. If anyone finds

this number, please post it.

Jan

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Hi ,

Have you ever heard of Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt ? He lives in Seattle and has

wonderful results in getting rid of Mercury residues. He also knows many

peolple, dentists, doctors whom he has already trained and informed on how

to do the best detoxification. He has a Website and I believe the correct

address is : http://www.neuraltherapy.com

I hope you will find all the information you wish.

Good luck & good health.

Kindest regards.

Natallya.

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>Subject: Amalgam fillings

>Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:35:35 -0400 (EDT)

>

>Hi

>I'm new to the list. I'm trying to find outhow to cure my problems. After

>using the Zapper I have had less problems with my lungs. My guess is that

>the emphazima that I was diagnosed with was realy parasites. However the

>Zapper doesent seem to help my other problems. But they read exactly like

>the symtoms of low cronic mercury intoxication: anxiety, irritability,

>fatigue, outbursts of temper, stress intolerance, loss of self confidence,

>indecision, clinical depression, increased sensitivity to light, timidity,

>excessive shyness, embarrassment with insufficent reason, self

>conciousness, insomnia, lack of concentration, memory loss, fatigue,

>numbness in my arms, muscular weakness, drowsyness, slurred speach,

>stammering, difficulty pronouncing words, difficulty remembering words,

>gastrointestinal disturbances, dizzynes, loss of hair, graying of hair,

>brain fog.

>Just writing this is a majior chore rechecking spelling and trying to stay

>focused!

>Also I wondered if other symtoms I have could be related: dehydration,

>increased need for water and urination, decreased hearing, tightening of

>throat & coughing, decreased tolerance to heat & cold, excessive sweeting

>and sinus problems?

>Also can I be diagnosed mercury toxic?I might find some reletives to help

>if I can show evidence.

>Are there any qualified dentist or toxicity centers near me? I live near

>Branson MO. Or near St louis I have relatives there.

>I would also like to know if the electrical current from the Zapper can

>cause increased release of murcury?

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Hi,

I've zapped quite a bit and still have quite a few amalgam fillings and have

noticed no side affects. I have even switched to the revved up zapper-12

volts via an AC/DC converter and have had no problems. I remember the old

post you're talking about and remember wondering at the time if it was a

bogus post. (A QW follower making it up.) Didn't take the time to look it

up again and don't remember who posted it.

Jan Y

> Hi all,

> I'm brand new to the list. My brother has extensive knowledge and

> experience with Dr. 's work, but I learned of electromedicine mostly

> from the Colloidal Silver List.

>

> Has anyone had any experience (good, bad, or indifferent) zapping with

Dr.

> 's zapper with amalgam (sp?) fillings in their teeth? I realize

> amalgam fillings are poisonous if not intact. In the archives from the

last

>

> month there was one experience that was bad. The adverse symptoms were

> apparent after the first zapping, and he removed his amalgum fillings

before

>

> he tried that again in case it was mercury. My question is, could that

have

>

> been a " normal " herxing reaction? If anyone else has zapped with amalgam

> fillings, their experiences would greatly expand the data base.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Vince Richter

> new_man85@...

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> Studies on potential release of mercury from dental amalgam have shown

that

> tiny amounts of mercury may theoretically be released under extreme

> circumstances. These amounts are barely detectable (fractions of

micrograms)

> and there is no evidence any of these are absorbed by the body. The

amounts

> of mercury are equal to what one gets in a normal diet since mercury is

found

> in most foods, soils and water. Besides a handful of cases of contact

> allergy, there is no evidence that any human illness or disease has been

> caused by amalgam fillings.

Which studies is that? The ones I have read have proved that the vapors from

mercury go to the brain. There are loads of evidence and there are far more

than a handful of cases. Funny how one's mercury levels drops after the

mercury amalgams are removed. We know mercury is dangerous before it goes in

the mouth and dangerous when in comes out, just where when and how does it

become safe in the mouth??

Here are the true facts about mercury amalgams:

a) amalgams release gaseous mercury even into a " dark mouth, "

particularly under the friction of chewing which elevates oral mercury

gas levels to a concentration that typically equals or exceeds home or

even workplace safety standards in people with lots of amalgam surfaces.

B) roughly 80% of this mercury is inhaled and enters the bloodstream.

c) bacteria in the mouth converts some of the mercury released by

amalgams into methyl mercury - the most toxic form of mercury.

d) body fluid and tissue levels of mercury (including brain and kidneys,

on autopsy) rise in proportion to the amount of amalgams in a person's

mouth.

e) by the time an old amalgam filling has to be replaced it typically

has lost a very large percentage of its mercury (50% or so, I think).

That mercury has been " found " by the body.

f) for most people/populations, amalgam fillings are the major source of

mercury intake, exceeding dietary intake from fish etc.

You need to do some research and quit believing the ADA lies.

Jan

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from Erasmus' nephew the dentist in reply to J. Drew

"Which studies is that? "

A series of studies by Anders Berglund and co-workers from the University of Umea, Sweden; Work by Mackert from the Univ. of Georgia; and Toru Okabe from Baylor Univ. just too name a few.

"The ones I have read have proved that the vapors from mercury go to the brain."

There are people who claim this, for example Eggleston, but they show no proof. There work is shoddy and has been discredited. Please cite papers you say "proves this".

"There are loads of evidence and there are far more than a handful of cases. "

show data please

"Funny how one's mercury levels drops after the mercury amalgams are removed."

show data and cite references please. Which levels, where?

" We know mercury is dangerous before it goes in the mouth and dangerous when in comes out,"

eating piles of salt can be dangerous. You have to be specific about chemicals. The form, amount, mode of exposure all determine any risk. What danger? specifically how is it dangerous, and to whom? Dentists handle these materials safely every day. Flashlight batteries and fluorescent lights have mercury too. Are they dangerous?

" Here are the true facts about mercury amalgams:a) amalgams release gaseous mercury even into a "dark mouth,"particularly under the friction of chewing which elevates oral mercurygas levels to a concentration that typically equals or exceeds home oreven workplace safety standards in people with lots of amalgam surfaces."

this statement is false. measurements accurately made show that this doesn't happen. See Mackert and Berglund work.

"b) roughly 80% of this mercury is inhaled and enters the bloodstream."

even the most ardent anti-mercury writers don't claim this. It also isn't true. There is no evidence this happens. There is ample evidence it doesn't. Work by Frykholm and others shows that if mercury is released from fillings it is swallowed and leaves the body in stool.

"c) bacteria in the mouth converts some of the mercury released byamalgams into methyl mercury - the most toxic form of mercury."

this is absolutely not true. You even have your story wrong. The anti-mercury writers claim this happens in the gut. That claim was based on misreading a paper that never made that conclusion. The original paper was done in a test-flask and showed the opposite. read the paper itself. (Heitze, U. ; son, S. and others Scandanavian Journal of Dental Research, 1983, pages 150-2

d) body fluid and tissue levels of mercury (including brain and kidneys,on autopsy) rise in proportion to the amount of amalgams in a person'smouth.

this is the claim of Eggleston and Nylander. Their work does not show this. They studied street drunks who died. They counted their filllings and then did very poor analyses of body tissues. Their results were inconsistent within the same person. Also, they had not history on the dental health, eating habits, or anything else about any of these people. Animal experiments do not support their claim. Because their work was lacking controls, did not match animal studies, and lacked health and dental histories their claims have not been accepted by reputable scientists, the National Institutes of Health or any other governmental body anywhere.

e) by the time an old amalgam filling has to be replaced it typicallyhas lost a very large percentage of its mercury (50% or so, I think).That mercury has been "found" by the body.

this is nonsense. If this much mercury could come out of a filling (and it can't) the filling would decompose. Multiple studies by reputable materials scientists such as Toru Okabe and co-workers, G. and S. Marshall and others have shown this claim to be totally false.

f) for most people/populations, amalgam fillings are the major source ofmercury intake, exceeding dietary intake from fish etc.

you have this backwards. Fish are the major source of mercury intake. And nobody has said to stop eating fish, or that fish are poison.

You need to do some research

I have done the research.

With all due respect, you need to study the literature, not just the claims of anti-mercury writers who don't know how to read or interpret the scientific literature. Their idea of interpretation seems to be to reject anything that does not agree with their agenda. Because they already have a conclusion--mercury in any form is "bad"--these people are blind to the science that has been done on this subject.

From your writing it would seem that you have not read any of the literature but depend entirely on some of these writers. If you are really interested in objectively learning about this subject I would be happy to supply you with references on any points you don't understand.

Tritooth's nephew the dentist.

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>Which studies is that? The ones I have read have proved that the vapors

from

>mercury go to the brain. There are loads of evidence and there are far more

>than a handful of cases. Funny how one's mercury levels drops after the

>mercury amalgams are removed. We know mercury is dangerous before it goes

in

>the mouth and dangerous when in comes out, just where when and how does it

>become safe in the mouth??

I too have read about other studies about amalgam fillings and even how the

vapors are dangerous to pregnant women and cause miscarriage. So Hulda is

NOT the only one writing about this.

It goes directly to the brain and can't find its way out.

from IL

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I don't believe this guy is/was a dentist, nor that Erasmus Sears is a

real person (or his uncle).

Leo.

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> Folks,

>

> I am visitin my nephue the dentist for the holiday and got into a

talk with him on them fillings. He asked to write you bout them so

here he is.'

>

> Tri

> ------------

>

> Dear Group:

>

> I am the nephew of Erasmus and a dentist. I have been reading many

of your emails over the last few months since he asks me lots of

questions about them. A few on your list who purport to know about

dental things are seriously misinformed. Let me give you some facts

about dental materials.

>

> Studies on potential release of mercury from dental amalgam have

shown that tiny amounts of mercury may theoretically be released under

extreme circumstances. These amounts are barely detectable (fractions

of micrograms) and there is no evidence any of these are absorbed by

the body. The amounts of mercury are equal to what one gets in a

normal diet since mercury is found in most foods, soils and water.

Besides a handful of cases of contact allergy, there is no evidence

that any human illness or disease has been caused by amalgam fillings.

>

> So-called " mercury free " dentists would have you believe that there

are " safer " alternatives to amalgam. Since there is nothing wrong

with amalgam, there is nothing " safer " . The alleged " safer " materials

are often dental plastics. These contain up to twenty reactive

artificial plastic chemicals, many of which do not polymerize into the

plastic and can leach out. Some of these are chemicals linked to

cancer. There is also no evidence that any of these fillings are

" unsafe " , but they have only been around for a decade or two.

>

> Fillings of any kind should not be replaced unless there is a

clinical reason such as a leak, a crack, or recurrent decay.

>

> The mercury you all seem to worry about is metallic, inorganic

mercury--the shiny stuff in a thermometer. In high school chemistry

you learned that this metallic mercury is uncharged and has a valence

state of zero. This means that it is unaffected by voltage

differences of any kind, whether from a " zapper " or anything else.

>

> -----------

>

> I would like to make some comments on group behavior and what I have

seen. I am not a group member, but am writing for my uncle who is too

nice a man to say much about some of the things said to him.

>

> One of you who purports to be a clergyman has one of the meanest

streaks I have seen in a long time. Attacking a gentle old man who

asks some very reasonable questions is undignified and a true

reflection of the character of this person. This same person won't

even tell you that he is a part of the organization.

>

> For that matter, several posters on the list also work for, or

benefit directly from the activities of . They are not telling

you about how they cleanse, zap, or anything else, but no one attacks

them. Why? They use this list for financial gain and for spreading

nonsense and what sure looks like libel about others.

>

> I tried to find the real identities of some of these people, and,

guess what, they don't have real identities. They tell you they

" speak regularly " with . And you regularly believe them. Why?

They say they represent . And you believe them. Why? They

have offered no proof that they actually do these things. They don't

list themselves as companies or persons in phone directories. Yet you

believe them. Why?

>

> If you want to believe in 's theories that is you right. You

can believe in whatever you want. But these folks are using you.

>

> In trying to help my Uncle I have looked far and wide to find any

proof that any of 's theories are valid. I have yet to see a

pathology report of a parasite, or a published report in any

scientific journal that shows what she says.

>

> If I understand her correctly claims to be a naturopath. That

means using only natural cures for disease. What is natural about a

zapper? It is an electronic device, if it works at all.

>

> If it did work, wouldn't someone seek to patent it, and then get

approval from the FDA to sell it. They could get it widely used and

cure many people if this was done. But it hasn't be done. Why? And

please don't tell me it is because of generosity and not wanting to

make money. The people who sell clandestine zappers are making plenty

of money.

>

> What is natural about purging your body with cathartics? So called

" cleanses " . Any high school chemistry class can show you that making

" stones " by the cleanse ingredients is a cheap parlor trick. You can

do this in a beaker, why do this in your body? Those who really have

gall stones don't pass them with any kind of purge.

>

> Many of you who have given medical advice to those with breast

growth, stomach pains, and other problems should know more medicine

before you do so. Much of the advice I read was dangerous and wrong.

>

> Recently a " newcomer " wrote that she had Stage IV ovarian cancer and

zapped and is not better. It is good that she is better, but she also

said she had full rounds of chemotherapy. If she wants to believe the

zapper made her better she may. I will vote for the chemo. If she

really believed in the zapper, then why did she use the chemo at all?

Several list members cheered and said how wonderful it was that

someone now believed in zappers.

>

> Changing you diet and lifestyle may make you " feel better " in

itself. This has nothing to do with or her theories. Wanting

to make oneself " feel better " can make you feel that way. Feelings

are not an objective measure of disease or health.

>

> Today's medicine and dentistry are based on science not belief. If

you want to call 's theories a religion that is fine. Calling

them science needs proof.

>

>

> Happy holidays,

>

> " the nephew the dentist "

>

> Since most people here do not give their real names I will chose to

be like the rest of you. My Uncle is the list member anyway, not me.

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Leo

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>

> > Studies on potential release of mercury from dental amalgam have

shown

> that

> > tiny amounts of mercury may theoretically be released under

extreme

> > circumstances. These amounts are barely detectable (fractions of

> micrograms)

> > and there is no evidence any of these are absorbed by the body.

The

> amounts

> > of mercury are equal to what one gets in a normal diet since

mercury is

> found

> > in most foods, soils and water. Besides a handful of cases of

contact

> > allergy, there is no evidence that any human illness or disease

has been

> > caused by amalgam fillings.

>

> Which studies is that? The ones I have read have proved that the

vapors from

> mercury go to the brain. There are loads of evidence and there are

far more

> than a handful of cases. Funny how one's mercury levels drops after

the

> mercury amalgams are removed. We know mercury is dangerous before it

goes in

> the mouth and dangerous when in comes out, just where when and how

does it

> become safe in the mouth??

>

> Here are the true facts about mercury amalgams:

>

> a) amalgams release gaseous mercury even into a " dark mouth, "

> particularly under the friction of chewing which elevates oral

mercury

> gas levels to a concentration that typically equals or exceeds home

or

> even workplace safety standards in people with lots of amalgam

surfaces.

>

> B) roughly 80% of this mercury is inhaled and enters the

bloodstream.

>

> c) bacteria in the mouth converts some of the mercury released by

> amalgams into methyl mercury - the most toxic form of mercury.

>

> d) body fluid and tissue levels of mercury (including brain and

kidneys,

> on autopsy) rise in proportion to the amount of amalgams in a

person's

> mouth.

>

> e) by the time an old amalgam filling has to be replaced it

typically

> has lost a very large percentage of its mercury (50% or so, I

think).

> That mercury has been " found " by the body.

>

> f) for most people/populations, amalgam fillings are the major

source of

> mercury intake, exceeding dietary intake from fish etc.

>

> You need to do some research and quit believing the ADA lies.

>

> Jan

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Oh wise one without a real name or proven credentials, do something

more than mention names of Berglund et. al. Name the journals, dates,

and page numbers IN ENGLISH.

Leo

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> from Erasmus' nephew the dentist in reply to J. Drew

>

>

> " Which studies is that? "

>

> A series of studies by Anders Berglund and co-workers from the

University of Umea, Sweden; Work by Mackert from the Univ. of

Georgia; and Toru Okabe from Baylor Univ. just too name a few.

>

>

>

> " The ones I have read have proved that the vapors from

> mercury go to the brain. "

>

> There are people who claim this, for example Eggleston, but they

show no proof. There work is shoddy and has been discredited. Please

cite papers you say " proves this " .

>

>

> " There are loads of evidence and there are far more

> than a handful of cases. "

>

> show data please

>

>

> " Funny how one's mercury levels drops after the

> mercury amalgams are removed. "

>

> show data and cite references please. Which levels, where?

>

>

>

> " We know mercury is dangerous before it goes in

> the mouth and dangerous when in comes out, "

>

> eating piles of salt can be dangerous. You have to be specific

about chemicals. The form, amount, mode of exposure all determine any

risk. What danger? specifically how is it dangerous, and to whom?

Dentists handle these materials safely every day. Flashlight

batteries and fluorescent lights have mercury too. Are they

dangerous?

>

>

>

> " Here are the true facts about mercury amalgams:

>

> a) amalgams release gaseous mercury even into a " dark mouth, "

> particularly under the friction of chewing which elevates oral

mercury

> gas levels to a concentration that typically equals or exceeds home

or

> even workplace safety standards in people with lots of amalgam

surfaces. "

>

> this statement is false. measurements accurately made show that

this doesn't happen. See Mackert and Berglund work.

>

>

> " B) roughly 80% of this mercury is inhaled and enters the

bloodstream. "

>

> even the most ardent anti-mercury writers don't claim this. It also

isn't true. There is no evidence this happens. There is ample

evidence it doesn't. Work by Frykholm and others shows that if

mercury is released from fillings it is swallowed and leaves the body

in stool.

>

>

>

> " c) bacteria in the mouth converts some of the mercury released by

> amalgams into methyl mercury - the most toxic form of mercury. "

>

> this is absolutely not true. You even have your story wrong. The

anti-mercury writers claim this happens in the gut. That claim was

based on misreading a paper that never made that conclusion. The

original paper was done in a test-flask and showed the opposite. read

the paper itself. (Heitze, U. ; son, S. and others

Scandanavian Journal of Dental Research, 1983, pages 150-2

>

>

> d) body fluid and tissue levels of mercury (including brain and

kidneys,

> on autopsy) rise in proportion to the amount of amalgams in a

person's

> mouth.

>

> this is the claim of Eggleston and Nylander. Their work does not

show this. They studied street drunks who died. They counted their

filllings and then did very poor analyses of body tissues. Their

results were inconsistent within the same person. Also, they had not

history on the dental health, eating habits, or anything else about

any of these people. Animal experiments do not support their claim.

Because their work was lacking controls, did not match animal studies,

and lacked health and dental histories their claims have not been

accepted by reputable scientists, the National Institutes of Health or

any other governmental body anywhere.

>

>

>

> e) by the time an old amalgam filling has to be replaced it

typically

> has lost a very large percentage of its mercury (50% or so, I

think).

> That mercury has been " found " by the body.

>

> this is nonsense. If this much mercury could come out of a filling

(and it can't) the filling would decompose. Multiple studies by

reputable materials scientists such as Toru Okabe and co-workers, G.

and S. Marshall and others have shown this claim to be totally false.

>

>

> f) for most people/populations, amalgam fillings are the major

source of

> mercury intake, exceeding dietary intake from fish etc.

>

> you have this backwards. Fish are the major source of mercury

intake. And nobody has said to stop eating fish, or that fish are

poison.

>

>

> You need to do some research

>

> I have done the research.

>

> With all due respect, you need to study the literature, not just the

claims of anti-mercury writers who don't know how to read or interpret

the scientific literature. Their idea of interpretation seems to be

to reject anything that does not agree with their agenda. Because

they already have a conclusion--mercury in any form is " bad " --these

people are blind to the science that has been done on this subject.

>

> From your writing it would seem that you have not read any of the

literature but depend entirely on some of these writers. If you are

really interested in objectively learning about this subject I would

be happy to supply you with references on any points you don't

understand.

>

> Tritooth's nephew the dentist.

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Thank you Leo,

I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't for one second buy this amateur

role playing attempt. For one thing, noone in the real world talks like

" Erasmus " . This type of dialect in the spoken form is a figment of old

Hollywood's imagination - before the days of politically correct depictions

of diverse groups of our population. By the way, the illiterate person he

is trying to portray would not write, surf the net, nor ask poignant

questions which exactly mimic the Quack Watcher's. And how convenient to

have a nepheu the Dentist to quote the same half truths that the Quack

Watchers Quote?

Vince

>From: leoelfie@...

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>Subject: Re: Amalgam Fillings

>Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 06:19:31 -0000

>

>I don't believe this guy is/was a dentist, nor that Erasmus Sears is a

>real person (or his uncle).

>Leo.

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>

> > Folks,

> >

> > I am visitin my nephue the dentist for the holiday and got into a

>talk with him on them fillings. He asked to write you bout them so

>here he is.'

> >

> > Tri

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> From your writing it would seem that you have not read any of the

> literature but depend entirely on some of these writers. If you are really

> interested in objectively learning about this subject I would be happy to

> supply you with references on any points you don't understand. >>

>

> LOL. I have lived through mercury poisoning, after nearly dying. I did my

> research after spending two years and $20,000 running to doctors without

any

> answers. Turning to alterantive medicine found my answer as well as

treatment.

> My mercury level just keeps dropping and I an regaining my health. This

has

> happened over and over with many people. It's you who believe the lies of

the

> ADA and wouldn't want to disturb you little world of poisoning people with

> mercury amalgams, it's easier to just go with the flow, not caring or

> admiting the possible dangers of mercury amalgams.

>

> You won't even admit that mercury is dangerous before going or coming out

of

> the mouth. Funny how you must meet EPA standards to dispose of it. Sorry

but

> you are full of false information. Further more you don't want to learn the

> truth, you might want to start with these website, and then read the book *

> Tooth Truth* by Dr Jerome, my dentist.

Not done any research huh? LOL, that's to funny.

http://home.online.no/~reiersol/friberg.htm

http://www.teleport.com/~ctseng/cfs_pages/index2.html

http://www.amalgam.org/

http://home.online.no/~reiersol/tueb2.htm

http://www.rheumatic.org/teeth.htm

http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/PDHA/mercury/asr.htm

http://www.pnf.org/mercury.html#Facts

http:www.hugnet.com

http://www.algonet.se/~leif/FUIAOMT1.txt

http://vest.gu.se/~bosse/Mercury/abs/lichtenberg96a.html

http://www.talkinternational.com/

http://health.microworld.com/html/mercury.html

http://www.talkinternational.com/Bite.htm

http://www.talkinternational.com/HYS1.htm

http://www.bioprobe.com/

http://www.bioprobe.com/

http://www.pnf.org/mercury.html#Facts

http://medicaltruth.com/FDA-AMA/home.htm

http://www.alternativemedicine.com/digest/issue20/20700.shtml

http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/PDHA/health.htm

Happy reading.

Now who is Mackert, Berglund, Frykholm ( who is insane if he thinks the

mercury just easily leaves the body through the stools, guess he doesn't know

about chelation) .

Provide some URL's for all the garbage you have stated.

Isn't it strange that there are restrictions for pregnant women and kids and

still working on total bans in other countries?

Oh yes, one last thing, please provide studies which show that mercury

amalgams are safe.

Jan

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To the dentist who is nuts.

You just need to read this one page, and then get lost. We all know the truth

here. Provoked levels of mercury, they give you something that makes your

levels go up...............what world are you living in?? Pure total garbage

http://www.altcorp.com/amalgam.htm#Release

AFFINITY LABELING TECHNOLOGIES, INC.

Selected Studies on the Release and Toxicity of Mercury from Dental Amalgam

Published in Peer Reviewed Scientific, Dental and Medical Journals

Jan

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> From your writing it would seem that you have not read any of the > literature but depend entirely on some of these writers. >>> I have lived through mercury poisoning, after nearly dying.

From what you have written you have not read any of the original literature on the subject. Referring to a bunch of web sites, many of which continue to spout information that has long ago been refuted is not helpful. Please discuss individual points with appropriate references to the scientific literature.

No individual anywhere has had toxic levels of mercury only from amalgam fillings. There is not one credible case report in the literature of such a patient. Why not? Because one cannot be poisoned this way. The amount of mercury you claim to have is far in excess of whatever may have been in all of your fillings.

"Doctor's Data Lab" does hair analysis, which is not reliable for quantitatively measuring substances normally found inside the body, such as mercury. Their own people have stated that hair analyses are not reliable, "...setting up percentiles or quartiles in which a given value or range of values for an analyte is related to a probability of risk or predictability of a treatable condition can only be inferred from the available data." Druyan, M.E. et al, Determination of reference ranges for elements in human scalp hair, pages 183-197 Biological Trace Element Research, Humana Press, 1998.

> My mercury level just keeps dropping and I an regaining my health.

If you had "provoked" levels done, then they will drop. Provoked levels are a scam. They give you a substance that makes your urine mercury go up, it goes up, and they say you are poisoned!

If they did it by hair analysis, this is even more bogus.

> ADA and wouldn't want to disturb you little world

I am not an ADA member. Nor do I believe everything they, or even you say. Data is data, you haven't shown any.

Further more you don't want to learn the > truth, you might want to start with these website, and then read the book *> Tooth Truth* by Dr Jerome, my dentist.

Saying something simply doesn't make it so. Please show Dr. Jerome's papers in the scientific literature (if any) which support any of his statements in his book.

Putting something on the web (or in a self-published book, or anywhere) doesn't make it true. For example, people in this group have all seen some pretty far out statements made by a person who doesn't have an address who writes from a account who claims to be Dr. 's publicist.

..http://home.online.no/~reiersol/friberg.htmhttp://www.teleport.com/~ctseng/cfs_pages/index2.htmlhttp://www.amalgam.org/http://home.online.no/~reiersol/tueb2.htmhttp://www.rheumatic.org/teeth.htmhttp://emporium.turnpike.net/P/PDHA/mercury/asr.htmhttp://www.pnf.org/mercury.html#Factshttp:www.hugnet.comhttp://www.algonet.se/~leif/FUIAOMT1.txthttp://vest.gu.se/~bosse/Mercury/abs/lichtenberg96a.htmlhttp://www.talkinternational.com/http://health.microworld.com/html/mercury.htmlhttp://www.talkinternational.com/Bite.htmhttp://www.talkinternational.com/HYS1.htmhttp://www.bioprobe.com/http://www.bioprobe.com/http://www.pnf.org/mercury.html#Factshttp://medicaltruth.com/FDA-AMA/home.htmhttp://www.alternativemedicine.com/digest/issue20/20700.shtmlhttp://emporium.turnpike.net/P/PDHA/health.htm

let's just pick a few of your sources....

Bioprobe is published by Sam Ziff. Mr. Ziff does not claim to be a scientist. He claims to have a PhD in nutrition from Donsbach University, which has been called a mail-order diploma mill. His first book ,The Toxic Time Bomb, had so many factual errors I lost count. Among the many things in this book he continued to promote a long ago discredited idea, micromercurialism. The introduction to the book was written by M. Berger, DDS, a de-licensed dentist. Berger lost his dental license for fraud and malpractice.

www.hugnet.com is the web site of Hal Huggins. Huggins is a de-licensed dentist who had his license revoked by the State of Colorado for fraud and malpractice (among other charges).

As I said, putting something on the web does not make it true.

If you want references on the topic of mercury and dental amalgams they are all at: www.nlm.nih.gov. This is the National Library of Medicine site.

I found it funny that one of the references you cited was from Silberud. Silberud, if you take the trouble to check, was dismissed from Colorado State University for improprieties representing his research on this topic.

Now who is Mackert, Berglund, Frykholm ( who is insane if he thinks the mercury just easily leaves the body through the stools, guess he doesn't know about chelation) .

Karl O. Frykholm, Acta Odontologica Scandinavica Volume 15, Supplement 22 1957. On Mercury from dental amalgam. This work used radioactive mercury to make amalgam and human volunteers. It showed how the material is processed by the body.

Anders Berglund is at the University of Umea, Sweden, Department of Dental Materials Science, Faculty of Odontology. His work can be found at the National Library of Medicine.

J. Rodway Mackert is a Professor of Dental materials at the University of Georgia. His work can be found at the same place.

Just search under their names. They are very prolific writers on the subject of dental amalgam.

Provide some URL's for all the garbage you have stated.

www.nlm.nih.gov, and it isn't garbage

Oh yes, one last thing, please provide studies which show that mercury amalgams are safe.

I already commented on this point, but if you want to discuss safety, show any studies that the zapper is "safe". Please cite the scientific journal, author, etc. for that matter, please cite any studies that show it works at all, for anything.

The nephew the dentist

(BTW I am a real dentist and have been one for many many years.).

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Oh wise one without a real name or proven credentials, do something more than mention names of Berglund et. al. Name the journals, dates, and page numbers IN ENGLISH.Leo

Mercury vapor release from dental amalgam in patients with symptoms allegedly caused by amalgam fillings.

AUTHORS: Berglund A; Molin M

AUTHOR AFFILIATION: Department of Dental Materials Science, Faculty of Odontology, Umea University, Sweden. Anders.Berglund@...

SOURCE: Eur J Oral Sci 1996 Feb;104(1):56-63

CITATION IDS: PMID: 8653498 UI: 96251436

ABSTRACT: The aim of this study was to determine whether a group of patients with symptoms, self-related to their amalgam restorations, experienced an exposure to mercury vapor from their amalgam restorations that reached the range at which subtle symptoms have been reported in the literature. Furthermore, the aim was to determine whether the mercury exposure for these patients was significantly higher than for controls with no reported health complaints. The symptom group consisted of 10 consecutively selected patients from a larger group, referred by their physicians for investigation into any correlation between subjective symptoms and amalgam restorations. The control group consisted of 8 persons with no reported health complaints. The intra-oral release of mercury vapor was measured between 7:45 a.m. and 9:00 p.m. at intervals of 30-45 min, following a standardized schedule. The mercury levels in plasma, erythrocytes, and urine were also determined. The calculated daily uptake of inhaled mercury vapor, released from the amalgam restorations, was less than 5% of the daily uptake calculated at the lower concentration range given by the WHO (1991), at which subtle symptoms have been found in particularly sensitive individuals. The symptom group had neither a higher estimated daily uptake of inhaled mercury vapor, nor a higher mercury concentration in blood and urine than in the control group. The study provides no scientific support for the belief that the symptoms of the patients examined originated from an enhanced mercury release from their amalgam restorations.

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Jan, who is this guy trying to impress? It isn't too challenging to

list a bunch of web sites. That doesn't prove he knows anything.

Leo.

--------------------------

>

> > From your writing it would seem that you have not read any of

the

> > literature but depend entirely on some of these writers. If you

are really

> > interested in objectively learning about this subject I would be

happy to

> > supply you with references on any points you don't understand. >>

> >

> > LOL. I have lived through mercury poisoning, after nearly dying.

I did my

> > research after spending two years and $20,000 running to doctors

without

> any

> > answers. Turning to alterantive medicine found my answer as well

as

> treatment.

> > My mercury level just keeps dropping and I an regaining my

health. This

> has

> > happened over and over with many people. It's you who believe the

lies of

> the

> > ADA and wouldn't want to disturb you little world of poisoning

people with

> > mercury amalgams, it's easier to just go with the flow, not caring

or

> > admiting the possible dangers of mercury amalgams.

> >

> > You won't even admit that mercury is dangerous before going or

coming out

> of

> > the mouth. Funny how you must meet EPA standards to dispose of it.

Sorry

> but

> > you are full of false information. Further more you don't want to

learn the

> > truth, you might want to start with these website, and then read

the book *

> > Tooth Truth* by Dr Jerome, my dentist.

>

> Not done any research huh? LOL, that's to funny.

>

> http://home.online.no/~reiersol/friberg.htm

>

> http://www.teleport.com/~ctseng/cfs_pages/index2.html

>

> http://www.amalgam.org/

>

> http://home.online.no/~reiersol/tueb2.htm

>

> http://www.rheumatic.org/teeth.htm

>

> http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/PDHA/mercury/asr.htm

>

> http://www.pnf.org/mercury.html#Facts

>

> http:www.hugnet.com

>

> http://www.algonet.se/~leif/FUIAOMT1.txt

>

> http://vest.gu.se/~bosse/Mercury/abs/lichtenberg96a.html

>

> http://www.talkinternational.com/

>

> http://health.microworld.com/html/mercury.html

>

> http://www.talkinternational.com/Bite.htm

>

> http://www.talkinternational.com/HYS1.htm

>

> http://www.bioprobe.com/

>

> http://www.bioprobe.com/

>

> http://www.pnf.org/mercury.html#Facts

>

> http://medicaltruth.com/FDA-AMA/home.htm

>

> http://www.alternativemedicine.com/digest/issue20/20700.shtml

>

> http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/PDHA/health.htm

>

> Happy reading.

>

> Now who is Mackert, Berglund, Frykholm ( who is insane if he thinks

the

> mercury just easily leaves the body through the stools, guess he

doesn't know

> about chelation) .

>

> Provide some URL's for all the garbage you have stated.

>

> Isn't it strange that there are restrictions for pregnant women and

kids and

> still working on total bans in other countries?

>

> Oh yes, one last thing, please provide studies which show that

mercury

> amalgams are safe.

>

> Jan

>

> Jan

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<< Jan, who is this guy trying to impress? It isn't too challenging to

list a bunch of web sites. That doesn't prove he knows anything.

Leo. >>

It was me who posted the websites because he said I hadn't done my research.

Some people choose not to believe, that's their loss. He's just another blow

hard, he wouldn't admit the truth if it smacked him in the nose (not a bad

idea..LOL). I am ignoring him, he just wants to argue.

Jan

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In a message dated 11/27/2000 11:42:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,

pignotti@... writes:

<< the additional exposure to mercury of

breast-fed babies from maternal amalgam fillings is of minor

importance compared to... >>

Yeah, it's all of minor importance when there's money to be made, I guess...

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I did a quick scan of medline on " mercury amalgam fillings " to see

what came up. It looks to me like the results are mixed and

inconclusive. I don't think this topic can simply be dismissed

as " quackery " . In the quick look I had at this, here are two

interesting studies I found. I read the abstracts but have not seen

the actual studies. Perhaps the dentist or others are familiar with

these studies and would care to comment?

The mercury concentration in breast milk resulting from

amalgam fillings and dietary habits.Environ Res 1998 May;77(2):124-9

(ISSN: 0013-9351)

Drexler H; Schaller KH

Institute and Out-patient Clinic for Occupational, Social and

Environmental Medicine of the University Erlangen-Nuremberg,

Schillerstrasse 25/29, Erlangen, D-91054, Germany.

Health risks from amalgam fillings are a subject of controversy. In

Germany it is not advised to use amalgam fillings during breast

feeding. Objectives of this study were to examine the concentration

of mercury in human breast milk and the confounders which may

modify the mercury levels. Women who gave birth between

August 1995 and May 1996 in a district hospital were asked to

participate in the study. The examination included a standardized

anamnesis and an inspection of the teeth by an dentist. Blood and

urine samples of 147 women and breast milk samples of 118

women were collected in the first week after birth. After 2 months

of breast feeding a second breast milk sample was collected from

85 of women. Mercury was measured by cold-vapor atomic

absorption spectrometry. The concentration of mercury in the

breast milk collected immediately after birth showed a significant

association with the number of amalgam fillings as well as with

the frequency of meals. Urine mercury concentrations correlated

with the number of amalgam fillings and amalgam surfaces. In

the breast milk after 2 months of lactation, the concentrations were

lower (mean: <0.25 microg/L; range <0.25-11.7 microg/L)

compared with the first sample (mean: 0.90 microg/L; range <0.25-

20. 3 microg/L) and were positively associated with the fish

consumption but no longer with the number of the amalgam

fillings. Accordingly, the additional exposure to mercury of

breast-fed babies from maternal amalgam fillings is of minor

importance compared to maternal fish consumption. Copyright

1998 Academic Press.

***********************

Placebo response in environmental disease. Chelation therapy of

patients with symptoms

attributed to amalgam fillings.

J Occup Environ Med 1997 Aug;39(8):707-14 (ISSN: 1076-

2752)

Grandjean P; Guldager B; Larsen IB; nsen PJ; Holmstrup P

Department of Environmental Medicine, Odense University,

Denmark.

Treatment of patients who attribute their environmental illness to

mercury from amalgam fillings is largely experimental. On the

Symptom Check List, overall distress, and somatization, obsessive-

compulsive, depression, and anxiety symptom dimensions, were

increased in 50 consecutive patients examined, and Eysenck

Personality Questionnaire scores suggested less extroversion and

increased degree of emotional liability. Succimer (meso-2, 3-

dimercaptosuccinic acid) was given at a daily dose of 30 mg/kg for

five days in a double-blind, randomized placebo-controlled trial.

Urinary excretion of mercury and lead was considerably increased

in the patients who received the chelator. Immediately after the

treatment and 5 to 6 weeks later, most distress dimensions had

improved considerably, but there was no difference between the

succimer and placebo groups. These findings suggest that some

patients with environmental illness may substantially benefit from

placebo.

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http://www.amalgam.org#anchor63613

Paramount Scientific Documents

The amalgam has two fundamental health flaws: 1) it has a sustained release

of mercury and other toxic metals into the body, and 2) galvanic action

produces electricity that flows throught the body. Since pathophysiologic

effects that toxicity has on the body can be objectively measured, scientific

research pertaining to the amalgams fundamental health flaws have been

focused on the sustained mercury release. Abstracts to some of the more

paramount scientific documents pertaining to pathophysiologic effects of the

released mercury are presented below.

II a) Review

Lorscheider, F.L., Vimy, M.J., and Summers, A.O. " Mercury Exposure from

Silver Tooth Fillings: Emerging Evidence Questions a Traditional Dental

Paradigm. " FASEB Journal (April 1995).

SUMMARY: This document reviews results of animal and human studies of

pathophysiologic effects related to mercury leaking from amalgam

restorations. Some pertinent points presented include:

every amalgam daily releases on the order of 10 micrograms of mercury into

the body (i.e. 3,000,000,000,000,000 mercury atoms per day),

more than 2/3 of the excretable mercury in humans is derived from amalgams,

mercury crosses the maternal placenta into the tissue of a developing fetus,

mercury is capable of inducing auto immunity,

mercury immediately and continually challenges the kidney's functioning,

mercury can enhance the prevalence of multiple antibiotic resistant

intestinal bacteria, and

people exposed to mercury on a sustained basis are at risk to lowered

fertility.

Fundamental Health Flaws

A " silver filling " is a euphemism for an amalgam restoration, which a dentist

places in a patient's tooth after a cavity is created by drilling out decay.

Amalgam restorations consist of mercury, silver, tin, copper, and a trace

amount of zinc. The dental amalgam has two fundamental flaws that adversely

effect a patient's health. The first fundamental flaw is that all amalgam

metals are cations. The net result of the tendency for covalent, ionic and

metallic bonding and van der Waals forces between amalgam cations is a weak

repulsion. So there is a sustained release of mercury and other metals from

the amalgam into the body. Researchers have measured a daily release of

mercury on the order of 10 micrograms from the amalgam into the body. Mercury

is a toxic metal; the most minute amount damages cells.

The American Dental Association (ADA) owes no legal duty of care to protect

the public form allegedly dangerous products used by dentists. The ADA did

not manufacture, design, supply or install the mercury-containing amalgams.

The ADA does not control those who do. The ADA's only alleged involvement in

the product was to provide information regarding its use. Dissemination of

information relating to the practice of dentistry does not create a duty of

care to protect the public from potential injury.

The below letter was and still is sent to amalgam manufactures

The potential for harmful health effects resulting from mercury exposure from

mercury/silver amalgam dental fillings is no longer a matter of scientific

debate. Such adverse effects have now been documented and reported by

qualified medical scientists. Serious questions exist regarding mercury's

role in loss of kidney function, Alzheimer's Disease, and a host of

neurological disorders. My client, the International Academy of Oral Medicine

and Toxicology (IAOMT) has compiled and reviewed all relevant scientific

documentation and has found a total lack of scientific rigor to support

statements that chronic exposure to mercury from dental amalgam is harmless

to patients. I am sure you and your attorneys are all too aware of the

potential for product liability under Restatement of Torts, Section 402A and

other relevant law. In view of the totality of the information that is now

available, not only does it seem likely that there will be an avalanche of

product liability in the future, but that for those companies which continue

to market the product, there will be a real potential for the assessment of

punitive damages, much as we have seen against the asbestos industry. We

believe it in your company's best interest, as well as in the interest of

public health, that all use of mercury as a dental filling material cease

immediately. The IAOMT has more specific information if you desire.

Anyone who has done any research on their own will notice the many times

stated that mercury affects the central nervous system. I have peripheral

neuropathy which is damage to the insulation protecting the nerves. I wrote

to Hulda and told her of my PN, she wrote back saying it was caused by metal

in the mouth. She was 100% correct. As I researched peripheral neuropathy I

found that heavy metals *may* be a factor...............still conventional

can't put it together with heavy metals in the mouth. That folks is why 50 %

of people are turning to alternative medicine.

Because the ADA and the AMA will not admit to this we have many people who

are told there is no cure. They settle for that and do nothing but take

drugs. Many on the PN group that I am on are on morphine pumps. There was a

time when I could barely walk, now I am line dancing two times a week!!!!

Thank you Hulda.

Jan

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One reference only? There should be thousands.

Leo

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> TITLE: Oh wise one without a real name or proven credentials,

do something

> more than mention names of Berglund et. al. Name the journals,

dates,

> and page numbers IN ENGLISH.

> Leo

>

>

> Mercury vapor release from dental amalgam in patients with

symptoms allegedly caused by amalgam fillings.

> AUTHORS: Berglund A; Molin M

> AUTHOR AFFILIATION: Department of Dental Materials Science,

Faculty of Odontology, Umea University, Sweden. Anders.Berglund@d...

> SOURCE: Eur J Oral Sci 1996 Feb;104(1):56-63

> CITATION IDS: PMID: 8653498 UI: 96251436

> ABSTRACT: The aim of this study was to determine whether a

group of patients with symptoms, self-related to their amalgam

restorations, experienced an exposure to mercury vapor from their

amalgam restorations that reached the range at which subtle symptoms

have been reported in the literature. Furthermore, the aim was to

determine whether the mercury exposure for these patients was

significantly higher than for controls with no reported health

complaints. The symptom group consisted of 10 consecutively selected

patients from a larger group, referred by their physicians for

investigation into any correlation between subjective symptoms and

amalgam restorations. The control group consisted of 8 persons with no

reported health complaints. The intra-oral release of mercury vapor

was measured between 7:45 a.m. and 9:00 p.m. at intervals of 30-45

min, following a standardized schedule. The mercury levels in plasma,

erythrocytes, and urine were also determined. The calculated daily

uptake of inhaled mercury vapor, released from the amalgam

restorations, was less than 5% of the daily uptake calculated at the

lower concentration range given by the WHO (1991), at which subtle

symptoms have been found in particularly sensitive individuals. The

symptom group had neither a higher estimated daily uptake of inhaled

mercury vapor, nor a higher mercury concentration in blood and urine

than in the control group. The study provides no scientific support

for the belief that the symptoms of the patients examined originated

from an enhanced mercury release from their amalgam restorations.

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