Heart Failure

[Guest guest]

Why wouldn't you go see your cardiologist now instead of the fall? I don't

know how those things go, but if I was just diagnosed with 'heart failure' I

would probably be on that doorstep right now.

Hope you are going to be OK and treatable.

Please keep us posted.

Gentle hugs and best of wishes to you.

GA

----- Original Message -----

From: " Faye Dunn " <fdunn7@...>

> Hi All,

> I have just been diagnosed with " Heart Failure " and I was wondering if

> any of you were diagnosed with it and what I had to look forward to.

> So far my general practioner has changed my medication, but the new one

> doesn't seem to be working as well as the old one.

> I go see my cardiologist for my yearly echocadiogram in the fall. I

> should have a list of questions for him by then.

[Guest guest]

I agree with . Don't wait to be seen. If you have at least some

questions, please go see your cardiologist immediately.

I lost my father to a massive coronary just a little over a year ago. These

things will sneak up on you and before you know it, it is too late. He was

in the cardiology unit in the hospital already when he had his heart attack.

I'll be praying for you.

Jackie

[Guest guest]

Hi Faye

Did he say " Heart Failure " or " Congestive Heart Failure " . If it is the latter

it can be treated with very good results. Hopefully your GP will inform the

Cardiologist before that.

Praying hard

+Dave

[Guest guest]

Faye,

While I see that you are responding to Dave, I was also concerned that you

weren't going to a cardiologist sooner.

As for the Spironolactone, after a life time of diuretics I have taken, I

found that one was the least effective for me.

I don't know if you have the brand name Lasix in Canada. but here in the US

it is the one used most often in heart situations. Not sure of the chemical

name of it but it can be found on the net. I would look it up for you, but I

need to be getting ready for a trip now. Just sat down to close the computer

and check last minute emails before I go.

I hope you are better soon and maybe you ought to call your doc about the

swelling. That doesn't sound good to me.

GA

[Guest guest]

Typical doctor Faye, with our wealth of disease processes they always find

something else to follow up on than what we went in for in the first place.

That is the really frustrating part of AS and friends. As Bill also mentioned,

we really cannot tell whether our problem is the disease or the side effects of

the drugs we take for it.

Neck problems can cause major headaches. I found that out when my neck started

fusing.

, Lasix is well used up here, even pets with Congestive Heart Failure get

it.

+Dave

[Guest guest]

Dear Lori,

I'm truly sorry to hear about your dad having heart problems. About a year

ago, there were warnings that Gleevec could affect the heart, but nothing

positive came of it, it was disproved. There are other drugs out there for CML.

I don't know where you live to even suggest the nearest CML specialist. In

order to get on track with the CML, it is expedient that you find one. He

should also have a good cardiologist. I have both, as I had a heart attack

after being diagnosed, but mine was caused by an arthritic prescription which

has since been taken off the market. (Vioxx) I learned something new by reading

the article quoted below "

" Heart failure is not a disease. It is a condition or process in which the heart

is unable to pump enough blood to meet the needs of the body's tissues. The

heart doesn't " fail " in the sense of ceasing to beat (as occurs during a heart

attack). Rather, it weakens, usually over the course of months or years, so that

it is unable to pump out all the blood that enters its chambers. As a result,

fluids tend to build up in the lungs and tissues, causing congestion. This

condition used to be called " congestive heart failure, " but the name was

officially changed to heart failure in 2005.

" Ways the Heart Can Fail. Heart failure can occur in several ways: The

muscles of the heart pumps (ventricles) become thin and weakened. They stretch

(dilate) and cannot pump the blood with enough force to reach all the body's

tissues.

a.. The heart muscles stiffen or thicken. Here, they lose elasticity and

cannot relax. Insufficient blood enters the chamber, so not enough blood is

pumped out into the body to serve its needs.

b.. Sometimes the valves of the heart are abnormal. (Valves open or close to

control the flow of blood entering or leaving the heart). They may narrow, such

as in aortic stenosis, causing a back up of blood, or they may close improperly

so that blood leaks back into the heart. The mitral valve (which regulates blood

flow. " Entire article can be read at this web site.

http://townandcountryhospital.adam.com/content.aspx?productId=108 & pid=10 & gid=000\

013

Blessings and may you find a good doctor for your father,

Lottie

[Guest guest]

a minimum of 400mg Q10 a day. Good Q10 is orange. The non working stuff is

yellow. (Japan vs China) I assume he is less than 170 pounds. if more then 600mg

a day broken into 2 doses. Cordyceps helps as well. fungiperfecti.com has good

stuff

" When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in

society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that

authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. "

- Frédéric Bastiat

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From: " stardora@... " <stardora@...>

AAR <AntiAgingResearch >; Longevity

Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 5:27:43 PM

Subject: heart failure

Anyone have any personal experience reversing Congestive Heart failure; or

know any modalities that are effective for CHF? The patient is 76.

I'm thinking possibly Traditional Chinese Medicine / accupuncture; IV

Chelation; Ozone / Oxygen therapy. I'm already doing vitamin/minerals and

certain herbals & amino acids.

Anyone had any success with this malady? Any responses would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance...

[Guest guest]

I think you have a handle on it.

I have no personal experience with CHF except one time about ten years ago my

wife's English teacher came down with it. I went out on the web and found ten

things,

all natural, for her to try. I gave her the list and thought she would try them.

No, she took the

list with her on her next trip to her doc. He nixed everything on the list. I

recall that

C0-Q10 and Hawthorne berry were on the list. I thought, wow, this guy was 100%

Gestapo

for Big Pharma.

Anyway, back to the present. I would add ubiquinol (if you haven't already).

It's the most

efficient form of Co-Q10 and although more expensive, is worth it. 100mg twice a

day

Also Hawthorne berry extract. MMS, orally, might be good to try, but not too

much, say three drops, activated

with citric acid or lemon juice. Watch for a detox reaction. If none after a few

days, then increase to four

drops and repeat. Any hidden infections will be rooted out.

Juicing veggies/fruits is always good too.

And digestive enzymes, probiotics, nattokinase, serrapeptase, curcumin,

astaxanthin. Oh, what about

nebulizing colloidal silver? or the MMS (chlorine dioxide).

I am sure he/she will be helped quickly by your care.

Good luck, D. Mindock

heart failure

Anyone have any personal experience reversing Congestive Heart failure; or

know any modalities that are effective for CHF? The patient is 76.

I'm thinking possibly Traditional Chinese Medicine / accupuncture; IV

Chelation; Ozone / Oxygen therapy. I'm already doing vitamin/minerals and

certain herbals & amino acids.

Anyone had any success with this malady? Any responses would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance...

[Guest guest]

What are your thoughts on vit K2 here.

Re: heart failure

I think you have a handle on it.

I have no personal experience with CHF except one time about ten years ago my

wife's English teacher came down with it. I went out on the web and found ten

things,

all natural, for her to try. I gave her the list and thought she would try them.

No, she took the

list with her on her next trip to her doc. He nixed everything on the list. I

recall that

C0-Q10 and Hawthorne berry were on the list. I thought, wow, this guy was 100%

Gestapo

for Big Pharma.

Anyway, back to the present. I would add ubiquinol (if you haven't already).

It's the most

efficient form of Co-Q10 and although more expensive, is worth it. 100mg twice a

day

Also Hawthorne berry extract. MMS, orally, might be good to try, but not too

much, say three drops, activated

with citric acid or lemon juice. Watch for a detox reaction. If none after a few

days, then increase to four

drops and repeat. Any hidden infections will be rooted out.

Juicing veggies/fruits is always good too.

And digestive enzymes, probiotics, nattokinase, serrapeptase, curcumin,

astaxanthin. Oh, what about

nebulizing colloidal silver? or the MMS (chlorine dioxide).

I am sure he/she will be helped quickly by your care.

Good luck, D. Mindock

heart failure

Anyone have any personal experience reversing Congestive Heart failure; or

know any modalities that are effective for CHF? The patient is 76.

I'm thinking possibly Traditional Chinese Medicine / accupuncture; IV

Chelation; Ozone / Oxygen therapy. I'm already doing vitamin/minerals and

certain herbals & amino acids.

Anyone had any success with this malady? Any responses would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance...

[Guest guest]

I just ordered some. Thanks for the suggestion!

heart failure

Anyone have any personal experience reversing Congestive Heart failure; or

know any modalities that are effective for CHF? The patient is 76.

I'm thinking possibly Traditional Chinese Medicine / accupuncture; IV

Chelation; Ozone / Oxygen therapy. I'm already doing vitamin/minerals and

certain herbals & amino acids.

Anyone had any success with this malady? Any responses would be

appreciated.

Thanks in advance...

[Guest guest]

just a comment re nattokinase. A little goes a long way.

Most of the statistical info is re warfarin. I wish I could remember where I

read it but there was no statistical advantage to blood thinners, actually when

a small incident can become lethal that factor is an argument against the use of

blood thinners. Sulfur compounds seem to get rid of platelet stickiness without

the risk of bleeding

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From: D. Mindock <oceanpine@...>

Longevity

Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 10:31:57 PM

Subject: Re: heart failure

The ratio of vitamin D to A should be heavily in D's favor as, according to a

recent

article, A blocks D. So, although you got a burst in energy with heavy A, it is

not

to be done without consideration of a ratio favorable to D. I don't have

anything

wrt what the desired ratio should be, maybe five to one.

Astaxanthin is heavily promoted by the Health Ranger, Mike . I take

4mg a day, and juice veggies like beet and carrot to get the carotenes.

Basically

we're vegetarians but do eat raw free-range eggs and raw goat milk which we

get from a nearby farm (Luna Farm) run by a very wise woman and herbalist.

Peace, D. Mindock P.S. www.localharvest.org for a farmer near you.

heart failure

Anyone have any personal experience reversing Congestive Heart failure; or

know any modalities that are effective for CHF? The patient is 76.

I'm thinking possibly Traditional Chinese Medicine / accupuncture; IV

Chelation; Ozone / Oxygen therapy. I'm already doing vitamin/minerals and

certain herbals & amino acids.

Anyone had any success with this malady? Any responses would be

appreciated.

Thanks in advance...

[Guest guest]

Wrt CHF, I think K2, the MK-7 form, is A-Ok. Search with " K2 " in

www.lef.org & there's a lot of info there, all pretty positive.

I take Super K by Life Extension Foundation myself. I am

all for prevention and try my best to cover all the bases although

it is not cheap or convenient. After my cancer was resolved in 2002

I was thoroughly motivated. My one brother has had cancer three times

and the other brother has had three open heart surgeries. This also

keeps me trucking along :-)

D. Mindock P.S. I am a member of Life Extension and highly recommend them

although

I do not agree with them on a couple things, I do love their emphasis on real

science and

the fact that they do independent (no influence of Big Pharma) research. We get

their

blood panel test every year (when it's on sale) and get advice from their MDs on

what the results mean and

how to tweak them. They measure about 45 different parameters of the blood

sample,

including C-reactive protein, DHEA, triglycerides, estrogen, testosterone,

25(OH)D, etc.

Well, actually LabTech does the measuring, LEF interprets the results for you

via

an over-the-phone consultation.

=================================================================

heart failure

Anyone have any personal experience reversing Congestive Heart failure; or

know any modalities that are effective for CHF? The patient is 76.

I'm thinking possibly Traditional Chinese Medicine / accupuncture; IV

Chelation; Ozone / Oxygen therapy. I'm already doing vitamin/minerals and

certain herbals & amino acids.

Anyone had any success with this malady? Any responses would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance...

[Guest guest]

not to be used if kidney isnt well

" When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in

society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that

authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. "

- Frédéric Bastiat

________________________________

From: D. Mindock <oceanpine@...>

Longevity

Sent: Wed, June 16, 2010 4:32:44 AM

Subject: Fw: heart failure

I've been taking creatine for some time. I have switched to the creatine

ethyl-ester form which

is supposed to be better absorbed and utilized. Since the heart is largely

muscle it seems

to follow that creatine should make it a stronger muscle. Seems like a

no-brainer. So, is

my heart stronger from the addition of creatine to my diet? I think so, but

can't say it

with scientific certainty. Seems like something that someone should do a study

on.

Peace, D. Mindock P.S. Creatine is reputed to build muscle strength without

exercise,

this is according to a study done on elderly subjects. That is an astounding

result.

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Wrt CHF, I think K2, the MK-7 form, is A-Ok. Search with " K2 " in

www.lef.org & there's a lot of info there, all pretty positive.

I take Super K by Life Extension Foundation myself. I am

all for prevention and try my best to cover all the bases although

it is not cheap or convenient. After my cancer was resolved in 2002

I was thoroughly motivated. My one brother has had cancer three times

and the other brother has had three open heart surgeries. This also

keeps me trucking along :-)

D. Mindock P.S. I am a member of Life Extension and highly recommend them

although

I do not agree with them on a couple things, I do love their emphasis on real

science and

the fact that they do independent (no influence of Big Pharma) research. We get

their

blood panel test every year (when it's on sale) and get advice from their MDs on

what the results mean and

how to tweak them. They measure about 45 different parameters of the blood

sample,

including C-reactive protein, DHEA, triglycerides, estrogen, testosterone,

25(OH)D, etc.

Well, actually LabTech does the measuring, LEF interprets the results for you

via

an over-the-phone consultation.

=================================================================

heart failure

Anyone have any personal experience reversing Congestive Heart failure; or

know any modalities that are effective for CHF? The patient is 76.

I'm thinking possibly Traditional Chinese Medicine / accupuncture; IV

Chelation; Ozone / Oxygen therapy. I'm already doing vitamin/minerals and

certain herbals & amino acids.

Anyone had any success with this malady? Any responses would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance...