Dental Implants

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I have two bridges that I'm happy with.

Like you I hated to grind down good teeth especially

the eye tooth since I was missing the one behind.

Worked out all right though.

I asked the dentist about implants but as you have

already discovered they cost a whole lot more.

Also after they implant the titanium post they wait

for,I think, 5 or 6 months to see if you reject it.

Also ask about the maintenance of the implant. It may

be that you incur a periodic expense just to keep them

up. Bridges are no problem at all.

Sorry I don't know how the implant procedure affects

hypothyroid.

Ron

Bridges are no problem at all.

--- woodybeone <sas400@...> wrote:

> I have a split tooth towards the front surrounded by

> to good teeth.

> The tooth has to come out and grinding the good

> teeth down for a

> bridge seems a shame. I am wondering if there are

> negative

> short/long term impacts with being hypothyroid and

> getting an

> implant. Or any negative impacts at all. My bone and

> gums are healthy

> and the dentist said the implant is coated titanium.

> Anyone have any experience, and/or suggestions ?

> Thank You.

>

>

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Thanks Ron,

The cost is more with the implant but I am concerned more about how

my Hypo condition will affect the implant or vice versa. If there are

health concerns then I guess the only option is a bridge.

Anyone have any knowledge of this ?

> > I have a split tooth towards the front surrounded by

> > to good teeth.

> > The tooth has to come out and grinding the good

> > teeth down for a

> > bridge seems a shame. I am wondering if there are

> > negative

> > short/long term impacts with being hypothyroid and

> > getting an

> > implant. Or any negative impacts at all. My bone and

> > gums are healthy

> > and the dentist said the implant is coated titanium.

> > Anyone have any experience, and/or suggestions ?

> > Thank You.

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Please subscribe to some of the amalgam lists and ask the question there.

Those folks devote hours to study and will be able to tell you if titanium

is a good metal for your mouth/body.

Clifford Labs in Colorado offers a blood screen for dental material

sensitivities. It's expensive IMO but speedy and thorough. They list most

things used in dentistry and whether or not you show signs of sensitivity.

Dentists who decry amalgam fillings here do so on the basis of them being

barbaric and outdated to avoid any political problems with the ADA. They

seem to generally say that to place an amalgam, the hole has to be drilled

out larger than the cavity and once placed, amalgam expands, minutely

cracking the tooth so that further damage is done. They've developed

methods of placing composite fillings that avoid this problem.

You may wish to get a second or third opinion and see if you can get at

least one of them to be a biologic or holistic dentist ... there are lots

of lists and sites. Here are a few.

http://www.dental-marketing.biz/patient_holistic.html

http://www.123relax.com/articles/R_BioDentist.html

http://www.icnr.securesites.com/BiologicalDentistry.html

http://www.mercola.com/article/dental/rootcanal/alternative.htm

http://www.mercola.com/1999/mar/21/toothless_rates.htm

http://www.sukel.com/homeopathy.htm

Regards,

SaraLou

Re: Dental Implants

> Thanks Ron,

> The cost is more with the implant but I am concerned more about how

> my Hypo condition will affect the implant or vice versa. If there are

> health concerns then I guess the only option is a bridge.

> Anyone have any knowledge of this ?

>

>

>

>

> > I have two bridges that I'm happy with.

> > Like you I hated to grind down good teeth especially

[Guest guest]

At 02:55 PM 4/12/04 -0000, you wrote:

> What is Dr Price's opinion on dental implants? My dh (67) has a full

> upper plate and few lower teeth. He just got back from the dentist and

> the dentist is wanting to pull all the lower teeth because dentist

> says my dh has a lot of bone loss and would not be able to equilibrate

> the upper with the lower without the implants. He wants to put in 4

> posts (2 upper and 2 lower) to attach the upper and lower dentures to.

> Anyone been down this road?

> Thanks,

> Del

Del,

That doesn't make sense to me, for a couple of reasons.

1) If I'm interpreting the word " equilibrate " correctly, what he's really

saying is that they won't meet properly. But ya know what? If there's

a problem meeting/matching up properly, I can't see where a couple of posts

are going to change that. Stability? Yes, absolutely - but not a basic

match-up problem.

2) If there's so much bone loss that implants are " necessary " , how can

there be enough bone to sink the posts into either?

I haven't been down the mini-implants road, but it's something I've

considered, only for stability purposes, so I know a little bit about it.

I had extensive bone loss, both upper and lower, because of an infection

(now gone, yippee!) - there's almost nothing left on the bottom, but I'm

doing just fine without the posts. Annoying sometimes, yes, but just

fine. I'm not going back for any rechecks for another month or so, but I

think I'll put this on my list of hypotheticals to ask my guy when I go,

see if it makes any sense to HIM.

Barring that, maybe get a second opinion?

MFJ

Wheeeeee! ~Katja

[Guest guest]

The pink palate in dental protheses is often comprised of mercury and

cadmium.

I know, " What's it doing in there? "

Good question!

.. Dental implants

> What is Dr Price's opinion on dental implants? My dh (67) has a full

> upper plate and few lower teeth. He just got back from the dentist and

> the dentist is wanting to pull all the lower teeth because dentist

> says my dh has a lot of bone loss and would not be able to equilibrate

> the upper with the lower without the implants. He wants to put in 4

> posts (2 upper and 2 lower) to attach the upper and lower dentures to.

> Anyone been down this road?

> Thanks,

> Del

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Happy to hear that your infection is gone!

You are right about what equilibrate means.

He says there is enough bone to put the posts in. It is important that

the teeth meet properly. Right now with a full set of uppers and only

about 8 teeth in the front on the bottom and no back teeth on the

bottom, it is not happening! His bottom jaw is sticking out further

that the top. When he smiles, you don't even see the upper teeth! The

4 posts is the best of all the options according to the dentist. Of

course they WANT to do the thing that is going to make them the most

money. We really like this dentist. He did almost all implants in my

sister-in-law's mouth and her sec! They are very happy with the work.

So I think we have the best dentist in town. This dentist has a farm

and provides his own raw milk, cream and cheese. He is into eating NT

style but doesn't know its NT style, LOL. I just need more time with him.

You did bring up a good question: how are the posts going to help the

problem? So yes, ask your dentist what he thinks.

Glad to hear that you are doing okay with yours. What are you having

done now? What can cause bone loss other than infection. Can you get

it back?

Del

> > What is Dr Price's opinion on dental implants? My dh (67) has a

full

> > upper plate and few lower teeth. He just got back from the dentist and

> > the dentist is wanting to pull all the lower teeth because dentist

> > says my dh has a lot of bone loss and would not be able to equilibrate

> > the upper with the lower without the implants. He wants to put in 4

> > posts (2 upper and 2 lower) to attach the upper and lower dentures to.

> > Anyone been down this road?

> > Thanks,

> > Del

>

>

> Del,

>

> That doesn't make sense to me, for a couple of reasons.

>

> 1) If I'm interpreting the word " equilibrate " correctly, what he's

really

> saying is that they won't meet properly. But ya know what? If

there's

> a problem meeting/matching up properly, I can't see where a couple

of posts

> are going to change that. Stability? Yes, absolutely - but not

a basic

> match-up problem.

>

> 2) If there's so much bone loss that implants are " necessary " , how can

> there be enough bone to sink the posts into either?

>

> I haven't been down the mini-implants road, but it's something I've

> considered, only for stability purposes, so I know a little bit

about it.

> I had extensive bone loss, both upper and lower, because of an

infection

> (now gone, yippee!) - there's almost nothing left on the bottom, but I'm

> doing just fine without the posts. Annoying sometimes, yes, but just

> fine. I'm not going back for any rechecks for another month or

so, but I

> think I'll put this on my list of hypotheticals to ask my guy when I go,

> see if it makes any sense to HIM.

>

> Barring that, maybe get a second opinion?

>

>

>

> MFJ

> Wheeeeee! ~Katja

[Guest guest]

Oh, that's not good. What's a person to do?

Del

>

> The pink palate in dental protheses is often comprised of mercury and

> cadmium.

>

> I know, " What's it doing in there? "

>

> Good question!

>

>

>

>

> .. Dental implants

>

>

> > What is Dr Price's opinion on dental implants? My dh (67) has a full

> > upper plate and few lower teeth. He just got back from the

dentist and

> > the dentist is wanting to pull all the lower teeth because dentist

> > says my dh has a lot of bone loss and would not be able to

equilibrate

> > the upper with the lower without the implants. He wants to put in 4

> > posts (2 upper and 2 lower) to attach the upper and lower

dentures to.

> > Anyone been down this road?

> > Thanks,

> > Del

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

At 05:46 PM 4/12/04 -0000, you wrote:

> Hi ,

> Happy to hear that your infection is gone!

> You are right about what equilibrate means.

> He says there is enough bone to put the posts in. It is important that

> the teeth meet properly. Right now with a full set of uppers and only

> about 8 teeth in the front on the bottom and no back teeth on the

> bottom, it is not happening! His bottom jaw is sticking out further

> that the top. When he smiles, you don't even see the upper teeth! The

> 4 posts is the best of all the options according to the dentist. Of

> course they WANT to do the thing that is going to make them the most

> money. We really like this dentist. He did almost all implants in my

> sister-in-law's mouth and her sec! They are very happy with the work.

> So I think we have the best dentist in town. This dentist has a farm

> and provides his own raw milk, cream and cheese. He is into eating NT

> style but doesn't know its NT style, LOL. I just need more time with him.

> You did bring up a good question: how are the posts going to help the

> problem? So yes, ask your dentist what he thinks.

> Glad to hear that you are doing okay with yours. What are you having

> done now? What can cause bone loss other than infection. Can you get

> it back?

> Del

Okay, thanks for the clarification. It's great that you like this guy and

he seems to have his head in the right place (except perhaps about posts

lol). But given your clarification, I'm still a bit confused ... I can

see where NOW the teeth won't meet, but if you're gonna yank all the bottom

ones and replace with a full denture, I still don't see where the posts

would make a difference in terms of getting things to match up. People

do this all the time, you'd think it wouldn't be that difficult. Given

the expense of the minis vs. a standard full denture, well, ya know ... if

that's all that's really going on, I don't see a technical reason to do the

implants in addition to the basic yank and replace. Although, like I

said, for stability and sech, it might be worth it.

Right now I'm not having anything else done - I've done the basic yank and

replace, implants were something I thought about for the future, depending

on how I could live with what I already have. But frankly, I'm not

planning on doing anything else in the near future, because it's too damned

expensive, and anything else I did would be for convenience only. Yeah,

it would be nice to not have to taste glue, but it beats putting out

thousands of bucks for mini's, even. I figure the daily ten-minute

inconvenience is the price I pay for being a complete and total moron in

the past.

As far as bone loss, I think there are probably way more people on this

list that could answer that better than I - mine was completely due to an

infection that I ignored for years - ten of them, to be precise. I

was/am " trying " to grow it back - I know it's possible, but takes years of

consistent effort. And considering the fact that, well, the only reason

that I have to try to grow it back is to be able to have more to hook the

implants that I can't afford to pay to have done ... LOL. You get the idea.

Although that reminds me of something else - I'd posted this a while back

but I think it got lost in the shuffle somewhere. Is your DH using any

kind of adhesive on the upper? Got any advice on 'alternative'

versions? I've tried a bunch of different conventional ones, and they all

make me feel vaguely nauseous. Has he ever had that problem?

Suggestions?

MFJ

Wheeeeee! ~Katja

[Guest guest]

i was where you are. i started loosing teeth on bottom jaw both right and left.

2 on each side. dentist related this to the PA. i replaced with bridge on both

sides. my insurance would not approve the implants. but it did cover the bridge

work. i also did not like the idea of something foreign screwed into my jaw

bone. i have enough pain as it is! just finished all work and it looks and feels

good. the bridges are permanent. each one is attached to a " good tooth. " . i have

had no issues. like having my own teeth back except better. get two opinions on

dental work. there is a really large gap in pricing and coverage on the implants

versus bridge. if insurance is involved you must get a pre-approval for this

work. there are too many dentists out there who are more about the money and not

caring where and who they collect from. good luck to you.....Casey

rahrahbrick <rahrahbrick@...> wrote: Hi I hope everyone is

well or as well as can be expected I went to the

dentist yesterday because a crown on a back tooth fell out,now my

dentist is recommending a dental implant my question is this does

having PSA and being on all these Meds (remicade,MXT and prednisone

when needed)cause a problem with an implant as it is screwed into the

bone I worry about bone healing. I had a problem last year with a

fractured toe that never healed and now I need to have surgery to

correct the problem so has any one had dental implants done since

being diagnosed and on all these meds the dentists says it should be

fine but I would rather ask for real experiences instead of taking his

word for it thanks and take care LINDA

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[Guest guest]

Hey Guys!!

I am sure glad to see this topic come up because I am

taking Avinza and Provigil which has just about eaten

out my teeth from the inside. I am scared to get

implants ie infection. So I was thinking about full

dentures. I am soooooooo glad to hear that I am not

the only one whose teeth are falling out!!! From the

meds. I attempted to stop taking the provigil because

it made them bad in no time at all could be that I

have weak teeth also. So I stopped taking it for a

week and guess what I stayed asleep the whole time

woke up to eat when woken up and to take my meds, my

son is very good about me taking my meds. I started to

take the Provigil again today at 6 am and went back to

sleep until 9 am. Woke up with energy!!!!! So glad to

have a life back!!! Just hate to have to get dentures

but I am 43 almost 44 so I guess this is around the

time to get them. Heck if nothing else I can scare my

grand-kids when they start to get on my nerves and let

one of them fall out!!!

I hope everyone has a wonderful day today and

weekend. I have made up my mind that the pity party is

over at least for this weekend!! I plan to make the

best of it! God said he would not let Satan put more

on us then we could bare so I guess I am stronger than

I think because this is worse than cancer, at least

there is a light at the end of the tunnel with cancer!

Even when they tell you that you are going to die from

it. I am living proof. I was not supposed to live past

2000 when I did they said 2005 well I am still here

and they haven't given me another time limit!! Hold

your heads up high and praise God because he has

allowed you to show Satan that you are strong and can

beat/withstand this with God on your side. He thinks

all of us are very strong to allow this to happen,

let's show him he is right!

I love all my PA family if I ever get to talk to you

personally or not, ALL of you are in my prayers daily

so that you all might know that you are not alone, we

have each other and most important we have God on our

side. Sharon

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Dear Group ~

Since my last posting, I have had an attempted root canal, but the tooth was too

calcified to continue the procedure. The tooth was also abcessed. It had to be

removed by an oral surgeon. That was over a week ago, and my face is still

bruised and puffy from the procedure, and it is quite painful. The oral surgeon

also saw a " spot " on the roof of my mouth that he is going to watch. We're

hoping that it is just a bruise from all the dental work that I have had done

lately. He took a photo of it and will use it as a comparison of my mouth in

one month.

My regular dentist has made me a " flipper " to replace this tooth and the one

that was removed two months ago. It has teeth and wires that will attach to my

remaining teeth. I haven't been in to get it yet; my mouth is just too sore.

My oral surgeon still says that I am a candidate for implants. After all the

trouble that I am having with tooth extractions, I am beginning to have my

doubts.

I have always taken care of my teeth and can't believe all of this is happening.

I keep wondering is it CML, 800mg of Gleevec daily, or just plain old age (65).

Phyllis in MI

dx 2003

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello Bee and Group,

>

> I have an understanding from various sources that dental Implants are harmful

but less harmful than root canals. I have 2 root canals that I am considering

to replace with implants. The bridge is not a good option in one of the cases

however may be possible for the other.

>

> I have one dentist who wants to save the root canals with more root surgery

and another dentist who states that implants are a better choice.

>

> I have infection show up in the x=ray at one root so it needs to be removed

and if anyone would care to comment - feedback would be appreciated.

>

+++Hi ,

Implants and root canals cause the same problems, so doing an implant instead of

a root canal is not going to help you.

They are both very invasive and like wood slivers in the skin your body will be

constantly creating infection, inflammation and even bacteria in order to get

rid of them.

If you cannot get a bridge then a partial plate is the best option.

All the best, Bee