Guest guest Posted December 22, 1999 Report Share Posted December 22, 1999 Hi , Thanks for the information, I will check it out. I also really appreciate the herbal suggestions to deal with the stress, I'll check some of those out also, have been taking prescription for the last couple of weeks. This list has been a real blessing to me. Thank you to everyone that has responded to me either privately or through the list. Bless you all, Rita Re: I'm New......... > > > > > >Hi Everyone, > > > > > >I am new to the list and looking for help (and gotta say I'm pretty scared > > >right now). My father was diagnosed with stomach cancer 3 weeks ago and I'm > > >still in shock. The final results came in a week ago Friday and it is a > > >localized tumor by the esophogus and has not spread anywhere else. I live > > >in Ontario Canada and my Mom and Dad retired in Kelowna B.C. where they are > > >on their own, all of the family lives here in Ontario. The surgeon > > >recommends surgery as the only course of treatment, he says that > > >chemotherapy and radiation are not effective with stomach cancer. > > > > (Snip) > > > > > > > > > > - The purpose of life is to find life's purspose. > > (I don't know who said this but I love it.) > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ ____ > > Get your Free GO Network Email address at http://mail.go.com > > > -List Archives: > /archives.cgi/ > Web Sites: > http://home.sol.no/~dusan/cancerpage.html > http://www.geocities.com/~mycleanse/ > http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1158 > > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! > > To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty message to: > -unsubscribeonelist > > To change status from normal to digest , send an empty message to: > -digestonelist > > To change status from digest to normal, send an empty message to: > -normalonelist > > To subscribe again to the list, send an empty message to: > -subscribeonelist > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 Thanks for all the info back on everything. I just ordered Pro-EFA. I also must tell you that I called my mother after reading you email and read it to her the part about your son saying dada for the first time brought me back to the first time I heard that word from and we both cried. Also about the signs knows a few basic ones but his ST doesnt want to push him on it and in a way I disagree b/c if he can communicate with us in sign it is better than nothing. I know I am not the expert on this but she feels like it will delay his speech more. What have you heard on this from peds/ST or even your opinion. Thanks Amber Steve & Daphne Hardison <5hardison@...> wrote: Amber, My son was diagnosed with oral and limb apraxia at the age of 2 years 8 months, he is now 3 years 3 months and has just began to make new sounds. I am certain when he begins to speak he will be diagnosed with verbal apraxia. I, like you, did not think that the Pro EFA would help but decided to give it a try. We started on Efalex, from GNC, about 5 months ago and then changed to ProEFA about 2 months ago. The first person to notice a change was his OT and this was within a week of starting the Efalex. She did not know we had started it. She noticed an increased interest in trying to draw circles, improved pincer grasp and increased attention to task. This is not a miracle cure but I decided to change to Pro EFA when things seemed to plateau. He has been on Pro EFA for about 5 weeks and I am seeing alot of new sounds from him. He just started saying DaDa last week, HIS FIRST WORD EVER. He is signing much better and probably has over 100 signs. He is doing alot more finger play with songs and is very interested in making new sounds. We went from the A, E and occasional M and P sound to now saying D, Da, De, Ba, Be, F, Sss, Dog barking sounds, Ya. This has all been happening over the last two weeks. I do not know if it is the ProEFA, his age or all the therapy but we are not going to stop anything at this point. We started all the testing at about the age of 18 months. Zach was in PT but was released 6 weeks ago and doing great. He has been diagnosed with hypotonia, high palate, tongue tie released about 8 weeks ago, SID along with the apraxia. I hope this is helpful. Feel free to email me anytime. Daphne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 Signing only encourages communication. By signing, he is using parts of the brain for motor planning and it will help him w/ speech. It also gives him a means of communication. Studies have proven that signing does not delay speech. I'm REALLY surprised to hear that a SLP would say that!!! My SLP was estactic when she found out I was teaching my daughter to sign. Traci mom to Kennedy 2.1 > Amber, > My son was diagnosed with oral and limb apraxia at the age of 2 years 8 months, he is now 3 years 3 months and has just began to make new sounds. I am certain when he begins to speak he will be diagnosed with verbal apraxia. I, like you, did not think that the Pro EFA would help but decided to give it a try. We started on Efalex, from GNC, about 5 months ago and then changed to ProEFA about 2 months ago. The first person to notice a change was his OT and this was within a week of starting the Efalex. She did not know we had started it. She noticed an increased interest in trying to draw circles, improved pincer grasp and increased attention to task. This is not a miracle cure but I decided to change to Pro EFA when things seemed to plateau. He has been on Pro EFA for about 5 weeks and I am seeing alot of new sounds from him. He just started saying DaDa last week, HIS FIRST WORD EVER. He is signing much better and probably has over 100 signs. He is doing alot more finger play with songs and is very interested in making new sounds. We went from the A, E and occasional M and P sound to now saying D, Da, De, Ba, Be, F, Sss, Dog barking sounds, Ya. This has all been happening over the last two weeks. I do not know if it is the ProEFA, his age or all the therapy but we are not going to stop anything at this point. > We started all the testing at about the age of 18 months. Zach was in PT but was released 6 weeks ago and doing great. He has been diagnosed with hypotonia, high palate, tongue tie released about 8 weeks ago, SID along with the apraxia. I hope this is helpful. Feel free to email me anytime. > Daphne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2003 Report Share Posted April 2, 2003 It's not that I don't want to work...because it is a link to sanity right now. I just need to start thinking about if I don't get better, this thing gets worse and all the other stuff that goes inbetween. It's not easy to find an employer that will put up with your calling in to be late because your stomach is soooooo screwed up because of predisone and that is one of the biggey side effects for me. And I'm also starting to believe that I have a form of arthritis and am going to have to get that checked out soon. I've tried to be a brave little soldier and live with the aches and pains, but it's getting harder and harder to do. Good luck to you and blessings to all on here. It is so comforting to have people who TRULY understand what is going on with you. J MITSMEMYERS@... wrote: I am on SSI and it took me 3 yrs to get it. I had to go though psych evaluation and get documentation from my doc. I probably would have had it sooner if I had gotten a lawyer sooner but tried it on my own first. AIH is one of the diseases listed for SSI now as it is getting to be more prevalent. Good luck. the WV hillbilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 This post and the posts of Lena/Kris say it so well...socialized medicine just doesn't work very well....at the risk of being flamed or being called politically incorrect (never said I WAS politically correct, though)...if socialized medicine was the answer (as is claimed by many on the left) why is it that people from all over the world travel to the US (where we DON'T have socialized medicine) for treatment? tony rheumatic Thanks for the info What a great level of info, can I write to Lena Foundation/or Kris and Lena? I am living in Scotland and I had this passed on through a journalist who works with Lena and a. What a blessing they must be to you, I received some of the mails and was completely blessed. I am an American living here and the state of the national health service is critical for the likes of myself and Lena, most of ya's all dont realise how serious and horrible we are treated. We are not getting anything you guys are getting and the sooner u see this the better, I will probs move back home when I can make it, too ill right now. I hope to hear more from you Lena and yer Bud kris thanks also for those who posted to me the mails that dont appear in here. I believe the foundation will and is being used by God as many here know the full story of this young ladies suffering and it is unreal, she is a strong gal and I hope her and Kris get as much posting in as they can before they leave. I will be indebted for the help Lenas bud gave with docs here and info, many thanks Lena and Kris and let me know if you start your own group but it doesnt look like it I understand, too much hassle when ya's all trying too share happens all the time on . Glad to be here and digesting all the mails. Jesus Is Lord chantelle To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 << if socialized medicine was the answer .... why is it that people from all over the world travel to the US...for treatment? >> This is so true! We only hear how we should all have the right to health insurance (socialized healthcare) but not the flip side of it--that quality healthcare is sacrificed. In our area many, many Dr's have immigrated from Canada because they're fed up with practicing socialized medicine. My brother lives in a country with it and the healthcare system is broke. After labor and delivery my s-i-l's bedsheets weren't changed for a week (same sheets she delivered in). Finally brother took clean sheets from home. They get the run around. They are totally at the Dr's mercy, can't go to a different hospital or Dr. or there are repercussions. Our system has it's flaws. But it's better than anywhere else! M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Does what you say make sense? (You said, " ...why is it that people from all over the world travel to the US where we DON'T have socialized medicine for treatment? " ) Are you not aware that desperate older folks are going to Canada and to Mexico for cheaper drugs because they can't afford to pay the outrageous prices here? Not trying to " flame " you but to merely point something out that you may not have considered. Ellen rheumatic Thanks for the info What a great level of info, can I write to Lena Foundation/or Kris and Lena? I am living in Scotland and I had this passed on through a journalist who works with Lena and a. What a blessing they must be to you, I received some of the mails and was completely blessed. I am an American living here and the state of the national health service is critical for the likes of myself and Lena, most of ya's all dont realise how serious and horrible we are treated. We are not getting anything you guys are getting and the sooner u see this the better, I will probs move back home when I can make it, too ill right now. I hope to hear more from you Lena and yer Bud kris thanks also for those who posted to me the mails that dont appear in here. I believe the foundation will and is being used by God as many here know the full story of this young ladies suffering and it is unreal, she is a strong gal and I hope her and Kris get as much posting in as they can before they leave. I will be indebted for the help Lenas bud gave with docs here and info, many thanks Lena and Kris and let me know if you start your own group but it doesnt look like it I understand, too much hassle when ya's all trying too share happens all the time on . Glad to be here and digesting all the mails. Jesus Is Lord chantelle To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Tony, My educated guess would be that it is the WEALTHY people coming to get treatment in the USA, or we pay for treatment for many foreigners with special cases, when our own have to file bankruptcy or get a divorce due to the cost of medical treatment. It is a CRYING SHAME that the richest country in the world, that spends the MOST $ in the world on health care, does not take care of its own!! And the right wingers, who claim to be Christian, carry on about socialized medicine-wasn't Jesus a socialist? Didn't he preach taking care of the sick, feeding the hungry, etc.? Further, how many Americans get their meds from Canada? I was stationed in Germany and watched in awe as my German friends got their medical care, NEVER having to worry about losing it, if they lost their jobs, nor any of the RIDICULOUS, INHUMANE hoops that Americans jump through.... So, can you tell, I couldn't agree with you less...? And, I, too, have never been accused of being politically correct-In fact, I'm an AF veteran, and my husband is retired military, so we have been privileged to use the military's form of " socialized " medicine, and it has saved us a bundle of money, and grief, because I am sure I could not get insurance on the outside with my RA. What a RIP-OFF-we pay into the system for years, but get cancer, RA, MS, etc. and Sorry, no more coverage!! Sally in Little Rock rheumatic Thanks for the info > > > What a great level of info, can I write to Lena Foundation/or Kris > and Lena? I am living in Scotland and I had this passed on through a > journalist who works with Lena and a. > What a blessing they must be to you, I received some of the mails and > was completely blessed. I am an American living here and the state of > the national health service is critical for the likes of myself and > Lena, most of ya's all dont realise how serious and horrible we are > treated. We are not getting anything you guys are getting and the > sooner u see this the better, I will probs move back home when I can > make it, too ill right now. > I hope to hear more from you Lena and yer Bud kris thanks also for > those who posted to > me the mails that dont appear in here. > I believe the foundation will and is being used by God as many here > know the full story of this young ladies suffering and it is unreal, > she is a strong gal and I hope her and Kris get as much posting in as > they can before they leave. > I will be indebted for the help Lenas bud gave with docs here and > info, many thanks Lena and Kris and let me know if you start your own > group but it doesnt look like it I understand, too much hassle when > ya's all trying too share happens all the time on . > Glad to be here and digesting all the mails. > > Jesus Is Lord > > chantelle > > > > > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Thanks, Sally. You said it much better than I did and obviously with more knowledge about it all. It IS a crying shame that our country, the so-called leader of the free world, is so backward in health care and education. In the end, we will have a lot of sick, stupid people and our nation will end up " out of the loop " and no longer the leaders of ANYthing. It is the right-wingers who have their heads on backwards--the ones who believe that we're all created equal and always have the same opportunities, the same motivations, the same abilities, and sometimes the same dumb luck--to do entirely for ourselves. They're the ones who don't want " too much government " ; well, there's a segment of the population who will ALWAYS need a little boost and a few guarantees. WE NEED A NATIONAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. Ellen rheumatic Thanks for the info > > > What a great level of info, can I write to Lena Foundation/or Kris > and Lena? I am living in Scotland and I had this passed on through a > journalist who works with Lena and a. > What a blessing they must be to you, I received some of the mails and > was completely blessed. I am an American living here and the state of > the national health service is critical for the likes of myself and > Lena, most of ya's all dont realise how serious and horrible we are > treated. We are not getting anything you guys are getting and the > sooner u see this the better, I will probs move back home when I can > make it, too ill right now. > I hope to hear more from you Lena and yer Bud kris thanks also for > those who posted to > me the mails that dont appear in here. > I believe the foundation will and is being used by God as many here > know the full story of this young ladies suffering and it is unreal, > she is a strong gal and I hope her and Kris get as much posting in as > they can before they leave. > I will be indebted for the help Lenas bud gave with docs here and > info, many thanks Lena and Kris and let me know if you start your own > group but it doesnt look like it I understand, too much hassle when > ya's all trying too share happens all the time on . > Glad to be here and digesting all the mails. > > Jesus Is Lord > > chantelle > > > > > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Ah yes...a can of worms has been opened up and perhaps this is really off-topic for this board, however...... You do make valid points...the IS a problem with prescription drug prices in our country BUT to say we are BACKWARD when it comes to health care is, IMHO, ridiculous. We have the BEST health care in the world, bar none.... Your point that there will always be those who need assistance is valid however socialized medicine is NOT the ANSWER. It simply does not work. Capitalism works. Are there problems with our health care system...absolutely but it is still works when compared to socialized medicine... One point was made that it is the world's rich that come here for treatment. I disagree. There are many many cases of the world's poor who come here and get treatment. I recall when I lived in southern California there were often women from Northern Mexico who would sneak up to San Diego and LA in order have their babies in US Hospitals (for FREE) so that their children could be born as US Citizens. Can I blame them, no. Are there problems with our system? Sure. but a so called NATIONAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEM (socialized medicine) is NOT the answer. Why do I say it is not the answer, again this is not necessarily the forum to discuss this but I will say: a.. We are led to believe that under " socialized medicine " EVERYONE will receive treatment. That is not the case, in countries with socialized medicine often the poor do not receive the treatment they need because they do not have the influence or money to obtain what they need. Often there are limited resources and so decisions have to be made as to who will receive treatment. So, who ends up with the treatment? The Rich... b.. You say the " wealthy " from other countries come to this country for treatment...if Socialized Medicine was so great why would they do so? They are receiving free health care. If the quality of the health care was comparable to ours they would have no need. c.. Again, I have to agree that drug prices in our country are out of control, however, much of that is due to " big government " issues (i.e. the FDA drug approval process being so full of red tape). There are drugs which are being effectively used in other countries to treat diseases which the FDA refuses to approve partially because they are afraid of being sued...what we need is to reform the FDA, reform the process not create more government.. d.. One can make the argument that the " cost " of health care is too high. Part of that is due to the fact that we have become so politically correct and sue happy that those in the health care industry have to maintain high levels of malpractice insurance. Are there problems and abuses in health care, of course, BUT it is out of hand. We don't need socialized medicine, we need Tort reform. e.. Yes, I give you that there are some who need a boost, who need some assistance from time to time BUT when it becomes a way of life it is a burden on the rest of society and needs to be stopped. You may feel this is cold but as they say, if we give someone a fish you take care of his hunger for a short time, but if you TEACH him to fish you take care of it for the rest of his life. In the city in which I work (and many in our nation) there are thousands and thousands of individuals who refuse to get jobs because they make more money living off the government than they would by working to improve themselves. Do they have a high quality of life, perhaps not but, hey, they can sit around and watch Oprah all day. Except, of course, for the first of the month when they go stand in line for their check. Again, I DO believe that there are times when individuals need some help, some assistance but when it becomes a way of life it is abuse and a burden on the rest of society. f.. Lastly, so many claim we have a RIGHT to housing, a RIGHT to Health Care, etc....but as I recall there were three unalienable rights, Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. No mention of Housing or Health Care there. OK...I asked for it so flame away. I deserve it... Tony rheumatic Thanks for the info > > > What a great level of info, can I write to Lena Foundation/or Kris > and Lena? I am living in Scotland and I had this passed on through a > journalist who works with Lena and a. > What a blessing they must be to you, I received some of the mails and > was completely blessed. I am an American living here and the state of > the national health service is critical for the likes of myself and > Lena, most of ya's all dont realise how serious and horrible we are > treated. We are not getting anything you guys are getting and the > sooner u see this the better, I will probs move back home when I can > make it, too ill right now. > I hope to hear more from you Lena and yer Bud kris thanks also for > those who posted to > me the mails that dont appear in here. > I believe the foundation will and is being used by God as many here > know the full story of this young ladies suffering and it is unreal, > she is a strong gal and I hope her and Kris get as much posting in as > they can before they leave. > I will be indebted for the help Lenas bud gave with docs here and > info, many thanks Lena and Kris and let me know if you start your own > group but it doesnt look like it I understand, too much hassle when > ya's all trying too share happens all the time on . > Glad to be here and digesting all the mails. > > Jesus Is Lord > > chantelle > > > > > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 In a perfect world there would be a perfect health care system. Unfortunately, there is no such world and we do the best we can with what we have got. In the U.S. if you can afford it, you can get some great health care. The key word here is AFFORD it. Also in a profit driven system a person may not always get whats best....just what is most profitable. In countries with socialized medicine, I hear complaints from both sides. Some people seem to be in areas with rather shabby care with no recourse if you are upset. Other friends tell me they had great care in Canada. They have kept up their health cards and have told me they would go back if they found themselves in a life threatnening situation. Perhaps by educating ourselves and trying to do what we know to be healthy (eating right, exercise, less stress, take vitamins) We can try to have as little to do with ANY health care system as is possible!!!! Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Since my family is half Canadian and half American we get to see both sides of this story on a regular basis.One thing we know for sure is that the doctors that are in it for the mega bucks go to the U.S,those that want to give the best they can within the resources stay here.Of course there are lots of exceptions and I think I will also. Lynne Ellen McCool wrote: > > Does what you say make sense? (You said, " ...why is it that people from all over the world travel to the US where we DON'T have socialized medicine for treatment? " ) Are > you not aware that desperate older folks are going to Canada and to Mexico for cheaper drugs because they can't afford to pay the outrageous prices here? Not trying to > " flame " you but to merely point something out that you may not have considered. > > Ellen > rheumatic Thanks for the info > > What a great level of info, can I write to Lena Foundation/or Kris > and Lena? I am living in Scotland and I had this passed on through a > journalist who works with Lena and a. > What a blessing they must be to you, I received some of the mails and > was completely blessed. I am an American living here and the state of > the national health service is critical for the likes of myself and > Lena, most of ya's all dont realise how serious and horrible we are > treated. We are not getting anything you guys are getting and the > sooner u see this the better, I will probs move back home when I can > make it, too ill right now. > I hope to hear more from you Lena and yer Bud kris thanks also for > those who posted to > me the mails that dont appear in here. > I believe the foundation will and is being used by God as many here > know the full story of this young ladies suffering and it is unreal, > she is a strong gal and I hope her and Kris get as much posting in as > they can before they leave. > I will be indebted for the help Lenas bud gave with docs here and > info, many thanks Lena and Kris and let me know if you start your own > group but it doesnt look like it I understand, too much hassle when > ya's all trying too share happens all the time on . > Glad to be here and digesting all the mails. > > Jesus Is Lord > > chantelle > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Hi Ellen; Since I am half Yank and half Canadian I am sittig here on the fence and having quite a " hoot " watching it all.Ellen,you are so right about history or should I say the lack thereof.I wonder how many people have studied " the rise and fall of the Roman empire " ...much could be learned. Since we are sort of on the topic of history I have a question to ask that my family cannot answer. Why to citizensof the U/S call themselves " Americans " when the U.S is only part of the 3 Americas??? I always meant to ask mom but naturally never thought of it when we were together and she has now passed away.History has always been my passion and this led me to being an archeologist/paleoanthropologist.One thing I can say for certain is that almost everyone sees history in a different light.I was raised French Canadian(my mom sure fell for dad)we see things very differently from other Canadians who in turn see things differently from he Americans or the French.Most interesting and would be a good topic for a thesis...if only I was younger.... Lynne Ellen McCool wrote: > > Thanks, Sally. You said it much better than I did and obviously with more knowledge about it all. It IS a crying shame that our country, the so-called leader of the > free world, is so backward in health care and education. In the end, we will have a lot of sick, stupid people and our nation will end up " out of the loop " and no longer > the leaders of ANYthing. It is the right-wingers who have their heads on backwards--the ones who believe that we're all created equal and always have the same > opportunities, the same motivations, the same abilities, and sometimes the same dumb luck--to do entirely for ourselves. They're the ones who don't want " too much > government " ; well, there's a segment of the population who will ALWAYS need a little boost and a few guarantees. WE NEED A NATIONAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. > > Ellen > rheumatic Thanks for the info > > > > > > What a great level of info, can I write to Lena Foundation/or Kris > > and Lena? I am living in Scotland and I had this passed on through a > > journalist who works with Lena and a. > > What a blessing they must be to you, I received some of the mails and > > was completely blessed. I am an American living here and the state of > > the national health service is critical for the likes of myself and > > Lena, most of ya's all dont realise how serious and horrible we are > > treated. We are not getting anything you guys are getting and the > > sooner u see this the better, I will probs move back home when I can > > make it, too ill right now. > > I hope to hear more from you Lena and yer Bud kris thanks also for > > those who posted to > > me the mails that dont appear in here. > > I believe the foundation will and is being used by God as many here > > know the full story of this young ladies suffering and it is unreal, > > she is a strong gal and I hope her and Kris get as much posting in as > > they can before they leave. > > I will be indebted for the help Lenas bud gave with docs here and > > info, many thanks Lena and Kris and let me know if you start your own > > group but it doesnt look like it I understand, too much hassle when > > ya's all trying too share happens all the time on . > > Glad to be here and digesting all the mails. > > > > Jesus Is Lord > > > > chantelle > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Okay – I tried to read through all those posts and get something meaningful out of them (chantelle, sally, ellen etc.)… just didn’t happen for me. Discussing the pros and cons of various health care systems… seems like a big circle to me – no point to jot it down here… write your congressman or something that might help?? What is important is to try to help one another and be supportive in reference to our illnesses, AP etc. On a side note… if any of you remember a gal Lumin – she had PM (Polymyositis) – I have DM (dermatomyositis) in remission due to AP… she was in Shanghai China… tried to get her AP info and support – but the docs and her family were insistent on MTX, prednisone, etc. I just found out she passed away late in 2003. Keep her and her family in your prayers… she was only in her 20s. Liesl – DM dx 1996 Remission thx to AP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Hi Lynne! Geoff here. You asked: " Why to citizens of the U/S call themselves " Americans " when the U.S is only part of the 3 Americas??? " United Statesians rolls rather ingloriously off the tongue, United Statesites sounds too much like termites, and Yanks, while popular, simply ignores the efforts put forth in uniting 50 independent states into one great nation located, for the most part, in North America. So, as is usual and customary for us Yanks, preferring informality to formality, relaxation to tradition, independence to dependence (though less so every day I fear), and laziness to real work or study, we take the simple way out and just call ourselves Americans. It's easier to say and easier to spell. :-) Geoff soli Deo gloria www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in fighting these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits for repairing adrenal damage; 100% volunteer staffed. (Courtesy: Captain Cook's www.800-800-cruise.com) --- Outgoing certified virus-free Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 12/26/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Hi Sally! Geoff here. I'd like to take the opportunity to sort of re-direct some of this onto a corrected course... You wrote: > [snip] And the right wingers, who claim to be > Christian [snip] Liberals and conservatives alike, along with libertarians and independents, claim Jesus as the Christ, their personal savior, and Lord of their lives. Being conservative does not make ones attitudes nor actions christian anymore than being liberal makes them anti-christian. Unfortunately, claiming to be Christian and actually being Christian are often non sequitur. Sometimes this is by circumstance, timing and trial, and the person in question can be seen going through struggles because of it. Unfortunately far more often, I believe, the claim is made as a matter of social function rather than a matter of heart. It was the same 2,000 years ago and will be until the final curtain lifts. > wasn't Jesus a socialist? No. > Didn't he preach taking care of the sick, feeding the hungry, etc.? Yes, but this is not the definition of Socialism. Care for the sick, feed the hungry, care for my sheep, care for the widow and orphan, honor your mother and father are orders to individuals and carry concomitant duties of *personal* responsibility. These are not hallmarks of Socialism, they are anathema to Socialism. FWIW, they are also hostile to Communism, which is atheistic. Enjoy your discussion and debate. It is good to see people writing again after the holiday lull. Geoff soli Deo gloria www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in fighting these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits for repairing adrenal damage; 100% volunteer staffed. (Courtesy: Captain Cook's www.800-800-cruise.com) --- Outgoing certified virus-free Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 12/26/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Thanks, Martha, for this balancing argument. Ellen Re: rheumatic Thanks for the info In a perfect world there would be a perfect health care system. Unfortunately, there is no such world and we do the best we can with what we have got. In the U.S. if you can afford it, you can get some great health care. The key word here is AFFORD it. Also in a profit driven system a person may not always get whats best....just what is most profitable. In countries with socialized medicine, I hear complaints from both sides. Some people seem to be in areas with rather shabby care with no recourse if you are upset. Other friends tell me they had great care in Canada. They have kept up their health cards and have told me they would go back if they found themselves in a life threatnening situation. Perhaps by educating ourselves and trying to do what we know to be healthy (eating right, exercise, less stress, take vitamins) We can try to have as little to do with ANY health care system as is possible!!!! Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 You are so right, Liesl, with the statement to " write your congressmen or something... " And I apologize for getting a little carried away. Hope that's the end of it. My thoughts are now with Lumin. Ellen rheumatic Re: Thanks for the info Okay - I tried to read through all those posts and get something meaningful out of them (chantelle, sally, ellen etc.). just didn't happen for me. Discussing the pros and cons of various health care systems. seems like a big circle to me - no point to jot it down here. write your congressman or something that might help?? What is important is to try to help one another and be supportive in reference to our illnesses, AP etc. On a side note. if any of you remember a gal Lumin - she had PM (Polymyositis) - I have DM (dermatomyositis) in remission due to AP. she was in Shanghai China. tried to get her AP info and support - but the docs and her family were insistent on MTX, prednisone, etc. I just found out she passed away late in 2003. Keep her and her family in your prayers. she was only in her 20s. Liesl - DM dx 1996 Remission thx to AP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 AMEN to your last paragraph...the less I have to do with a health care system the better! Re: rheumatic Thanks for the info In a perfect world there would be a perfect health care system. Unfortunately, there is no such world and we do the best we can with what we have got. In the U.S. if you can afford it, you can get some great health care. The key word here is AFFORD it. Also in a profit driven system a person may not always get whats best....just what is most profitable. In countries with socialized medicine, I hear complaints from both sides. Some people seem to be in areas with rather shabby care with no recourse if you are upset. Other friends tell me they had great care in Canada. They have kept up their health cards and have told me they would go back if they found themselves in a life threatnening situation. Perhaps by educating ourselves and trying to do what we know to be healthy (eating right, exercise, less stress, take vitamins) We can try to have as little to do with ANY health care system as is possible!!!! Martha AMEN to That! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Yes, we probably do have the best health care in the world. By " backwards " I was referring to who is able to get this wonderful care. Ellen rheumatic Thanks for the info > > > What a great level of info, can I write to Lena Foundation/or Kris > and Lena? I am living in Scotland and I had this passed on through a > journalist who works with Lena and a. > What a blessing they must be to you, I received some of the mails and > was completely blessed. I am an American living here and the state of > the national health service is critical for the likes of myself and > Lena, most of ya's all dont realise how serious and horrible we are > treated. We are not getting anything you guys are getting and the > sooner u see this the better, I will probs move back home when I can > make it, too ill right now. > I hope to hear more from you Lena and yer Bud kris thanks also for > those who posted to > me the mails that dont appear in here. > I believe the foundation will and is being used by God as many here > know the full story of this young ladies suffering and it is unreal, > she is a strong gal and I hope her and Kris get as much posting in as > they can before they leave. > I will be indebted for the help Lenas bud gave with docs here and > info, many thanks Lena and Kris and let me know if you start your own > group but it doesnt look like it I understand, too much hassle when > ya's all trying too share happens all the time on . > Glad to be here and digesting all the mails. > > Jesus Is Lord > > chantelle > > > > > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 OK...gotchya....you have a point there...yes....you DO have to have $$$ or good insurance to get the BEST of care...being in the military I take what I get...when I think about it you would call the military's system socialized medicine wouldn't you?....No, I don't have to worry about getting some care, it the quality of that care that is often in question.... Having said that I WILL say that I have a daughter with Down's Syndrome. When she was born in Oakland, CA she had a few other issues and the military wasted no time in getting here to UC Med Center in San Francisco...she had one of the nation's best surgeons perform the surgery she needed and it didn't cost me a dime....OK...except parking at the hospital! blessings tony rheumatic Thanks for the info > > > What a great level of info, can I write to Lena Foundation/or Kris > and Lena? I am living in Scotland and I had this passed on through a > journalist who works with Lena and a. > What a blessing they must be to you, I received some of the mails and > was completely blessed. I am an American living here and the state of > the national health service is critical for the likes of myself and > Lena, most of ya's all dont realise how serious and horrible we are > treated. We are not getting anything you guys are getting and the > sooner u see this the better, I will probs move back home when I can > make it, too ill right now. > I hope to hear more from you Lena and yer Bud kris thanks also for > those who posted to > me the mails that dont appear in here. > I believe the foundation will and is being used by God as many here > know the full story of this young ladies suffering and it is unreal, > she is a strong gal and I hope her and Kris get as much posting in as > they can before they leave. > I will be indebted for the help Lenas bud gave with docs here and > info, many thanks Lena and Kris and let me know if you start your own > group but it doesnt look like it I understand, too much hassle when > ya's all trying too share happens all the time on . > Glad to be here and digesting all the mails. > > Jesus Is Lord > > chantelle > > > > > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Tony, I disagree with you here: " [snip] Again, I have to agree that drug prices in our country are out of control, however, much of that is due to " big government " issues (i.e. the FDA drug approval process being so full of red tape). [snip] One can make the argument that the " cost " of health care is too high. Part of that is due to the fact that we have become so politically correct and sue happy that those in the health care industry have to maintain high levels of malpractice insurance. " IMNVHO, health care costs are not high due to malpractice suits, which would not exist if it were not for the existence of malpractice itself. Health care costs are high because the person " buying " the product is not the person " paying " for the product. It is sold by a doctor, bought by a patient and paid for by an insurer who then charges all the potential buyers whether they use the product or not. There is no motivation anywhere in this sort of system to keep costs at a realistic level. The consumer has no motivation, they don't pay. The seller has no motivation, the consumer will buy regardless. The insurer has no motivation, he simply increases the rates to the consumer. And thus, because none of the responsible parties, i.e., the consumer and seller (patient and doctor) are responsible financially, the system is skewed toward unbridled increases without limit. And now the pig screams. Unfortunately, most people look at insurance using an unrealistic egalitarian lens which totally disregards reality. They assume that all three parties: patient, practitioner and insurer, are in " the same boat " , that they are " on the same side " , and that they are " on the same team. " This is simply not true. The patient is interested in what is best for themselves first and foremost before all else. They do not put the practitioner's needs before their own, nor the insurers. The practitioner may have altruistic tendencies, but those are tempered to the point of non-existence when it comes to self-sacrifice in favor of the patient, and no one would even suggest that they exist in favor of the insurer. The insurer is well-known to be concerned only with their own bottom line, but people assume that bottom line is a function of cost-containment. While that is a good sell, politically, cost-containment will not profit make, profit is driven by increasing market share and especially increasing profit margin, i.e., charging more for something that costs the same or less than before. And thus, if the insurer can " sell " the concept of higher costs, he can increase his rates even while working to lower the his cost. The answer to the spiraling cost of health care, totally eliminating insurance, is politically unacceptable. It will never happen except to individuals forced out of the circle, normally because either their " costs " are beyond margin allowances (beyond containment guidelines) or because they can no longer afford to pay the increased rates. This is much the same as the answer to the Social Security issue: Move Congress' retirement to Social Security and Social Security would be " fixed " inside 90 days. That won't happen either. In the reality of personal responsibility facing a less-than-perfect world the is the ugly fact that as long as disease and famine and pestilence exist there are going to be people who can afford to fight and people who cannot. Capitalism has been proven to give more people a chance to fight than other systems, but it also tends to allow the " stronger " than " strong " to create abusive monopolies that breed fifes and fiefdoms. To that add my major agreement: Our concept of " rights " are inalienable because they are endowed not by our government, but by our Creator. Our " right " to the " pursuit " of happiness does not guarantee happiness per se, only our right to strive for it. Geoff soli Deo gloria www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in fighting these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits for repairing adrenal damage; 100% volunteer staffed. (Courtesy: Captain Cook's www.800-800-cruise.com) --- Outgoing certified virus-free Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 12/26/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Hey Geoff...good points...just saw Gods and Generals a few days ago...my wife and I found it quite interesting that the Generals and men on either side of the issue firmly believed they were doing God's will, they prayed before going in to battle asking God to give them victory that day. Now did it happen that way?....can't say because I wasn't there BUT I DO believe it illustrates your point quite well..... blessings tony rheumatic Re: Thanks for the info > Hi Sally! Geoff here. > > I'd like to take the opportunity to sort of re-direct some of this onto a > corrected course... > > You wrote: > > [snip] And the right wingers, who claim to be > > Christian [snip] > > Liberals and conservatives alike, along with libertarians and independents, > claim Jesus as the Christ, their personal savior, and Lord of their lives. > Being conservative does not make ones attitudes nor actions christian anymore > than being liberal makes them anti-christian. Unfortunately, claiming to be > Christian and actually being Christian are often non sequitur. Sometimes this > is by circumstance, timing and trial, and the person in question can be seen > going through struggles because of it. Unfortunately far more often, I believe, > the claim is made as a matter of social function rather than a matter of heart. > It was the same 2,000 years ago and will be until the final curtain lifts. > > > wasn't Jesus a socialist? > > No. > > > Didn't he preach taking care of the sick, feeding the hungry, etc.? > > Yes, but this is not the definition of Socialism. > > Care for the sick, feed the hungry, care for my sheep, care for the widow and > orphan, honor your mother and father are orders to individuals and carry > concomitant duties of *personal* responsibility. These are not hallmarks of > Socialism, they are anathema to Socialism. FWIW, they are also hostile to > Communism, which is atheistic. > > Enjoy your discussion and debate. It is good to see people writing again after > the holiday lull. > > Geoff > soli Deo gloria > > www.HealingYou.org - Your nonprofit source for remedies and aids in fighting > these diseases, information on weaning from drugs, and nutritional kits for > repairing adrenal damage; 100% volunteer staffed. > > (Courtesy: Captain Cook's www.800-800-cruise.com) > > > > --- > > Outgoing certified virus-free > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.556 / Virus Database: 348 - Release Date: 12/26/03 > > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Amen, Ellen, and I know you go thru lots of hell and highwater and probably horrible expense with MS and RA in your family!!! Love ya! Sally rheumatic Thanks for the info > > > > > > What a great level of info, can I write to Lena Foundation/or Kris > > and Lena? I am living in Scotland and I had this passed on through a > > journalist who works with Lena and a. > > What a blessing they must be to you, I received some of the mails and > > was completely blessed. I am an American living here and the state of > > the national health service is critical for the likes of myself and > > Lena, most of ya's all dont realise how serious and horrible we are > > treated. We are not getting anything you guys are getting and the > > sooner u see this the better, I will probs move back home when I can > > make it, too ill right now. > > I hope to hear more from you Lena and yer Bud kris thanks also for > > those who posted to > > me the mails that dont appear in here. > > I believe the foundation will and is being used by God as many here > > know the full story of this young ladies suffering and it is unreal, > > she is a strong gal and I hope her and Kris get as much posting in as > > they can before they leave. > > I will be indebted for the help Lenas bud gave with docs here and > > info, many thanks Lena and Kris and let me know if you start your own > > group but it doesnt look like it I understand, too much hassle when > > ya's all trying too share happens all the time on . > > Glad to be here and digesting all the mails. > > > > Jesus Is Lord > > > > chantelle > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Amen, again, Martha, and I try to stay as far away from docs as possible and the AP helps me do it-YAY, again. And, Chantelle, I think I got your point, and I did understand that you are an American, but (no offense), your grammar, punctuation, and spelling were not good, and, therefore, confusing. Sally in Little Rock Re: rheumatic Thanks for the info > In a perfect world there would be a perfect health care system. > Unfortunately, there is no such world and we do the best we can with what we have got. > In the U.S. if you can afford it, you can get some great health care. The key > word here is AFFORD it. Also in a profit driven system a person may not > always get whats best....just what is most profitable. > In countries with socialized medicine, I hear complaints from both sides. > Some people seem to be in areas with rather shabby care with no recourse if > you are upset. Other friends tell me they had great care in Canada. They have > kept up their health cards and have told me they would go back if they found > themselves in a life threatnening situation. > Perhaps by educating ourselves and trying to do what we know to be healthy > (eating right, exercise, less stress, take vitamins) We can try to have as > little to do with ANY health care system as is possible!!!! Martha > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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