Re: Everyone's Opinion on Obama's New Health Care Plan

[Guest guest]

Hi: I posted this on some other websites also, but not everyone is on all the

different sites, therefore, I would like opinions on what you think. From

discussion I had yesterday with some friends, nobody is for this Socialized

Medicine. There was nothing positive about it.

I will not comment anymore, until I get some feedback on this subject

because I admit I am not up on all of it. I need to learn more myself.

[Guest guest]

One thing for certain, the model of medicine based on capitalism is a total

train wreck! Doctors and medical insurers are no longer interested in healing

the sick or helping the suffering. In the last six years, between my wife and

me, we have been to almost 100 doctors. Less than ten actually showed any

interest in helping us with our medical problems. The rest were there for the

profits. Our insurance company, which we have used for twenty years, charges my

wife 1/3 of my monthly income for basic coverage. They have another policy for

about $300 less, identical in coverage, but because of her condition... to which

they contributed, she cannot have that policy.

Health care is a RIGHT, not a privilege for the privileged. One Sunday evening,

fifty years ago when my baby brother was only four, he accidentally spilled a

cup of boiling water on his neck and shoulders. He suffered first and second

degree burns, very painful burns! We were new in town but a local doctor came to

the house, examined him and prescribed treatment and medications for his pain.

It was a Sunday evening, all pharmacies were closed. The doctor called a

pharmacist at his house, he rushed to his shop, picked up the medication and

brought it to our house. There was NO EXTRA CHARGE.

Is socialized medicine good medicine? I know that I have read some of the same

horror stories most of you have read. There have been many problems and mistakes

in getting it set up right, in finding doctors willing to put patients before

profits, etc. There will be mistakes and problems here in the USA too! But we

have some brilliant people to work these out. We have decades of experience in

other countries to draw upon. WE are one of the most capable countries in the

world. That said, we are also the ONLY civilized country in the world with a

huge segment of our people who have NO HEALTH CARE AVAILABLE.

We must change this situation. I agree with the President, " Yes we can! "

Troxel, CPA (retired)

>

> Hi: I posted this on some other websites also, but not everyone is on all the

different sites, therefore, I would like opinions on what you think. From

discussion I had yesterday with some friends, nobody is for this Socialized

Medicine. There was nothing positive about it.

> I will not comment anymore, until I get some feedback on this subject

because I admit I am not up on all of it. I need to learn more myself.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your response.  I am trying to learn everything I can also. 

It is a fact that things are certainly in a real mess as they are.

I am just praying to see something good happen for a change.

From: richard_troxel <richard.troxel@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Everyone's Opinion on Obama's New Health Care Plan

Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 10:51 PM

One thing for certain, the model of medicine based on capitalism is a total

train wreck! Doctors and medical insurers are no longer interested in healing

the sick or helping the suffering. In the last six years, between my wife and

me, we have been to almost 100 doctors. Less than ten actually showed any

interest in helping us with our medical problems. The rest were there for the

profits. Our insurance company, which we have used for twenty years, charges my

wife 1/3 of my monthly income for basic coverage. They have another policy for

about $300 less, identical in coverage, but because of her condition... to which

they contributed, she cannot have that policy.

Health care is a RIGHT, not a privilege for the privileged. One Sunday evening,

fifty years ago when my baby brother was only four, he accidentally spilled a

cup of boiling water on his neck and shoulders. He suffered first and second

degree burns, very painful burns! We were new in town but a local doctor came to

the house, examined him and prescribed treatment and medications for his pain.

It was a Sunday evening, all pharmacies were closed. The doctor called a

pharmacist at his house, he rushed to his shop, picked up the medication and

brought it to our house. There was NO EXTRA CHARGE.

Is socialized medicine good medicine? I know that I have read some of the same

horror stories most of you have read. There have been many problems and mistakes

in getting it set up right, in finding doctors willing to put patients before

profits, etc. There will be mistakes and problems here in the USA too! But we

have some brilliant people to work these out. We have decades of experience in

other countries to draw upon. WE are one of the most capable countries in the

world. That said, we are also the ONLY civilized country in the world with a

huge segment of our people who have NO HEALTH CARE AVAILABLE.

We must change this situation. I agree with the President, " Yes we can! "

Troxel, CPA (retired)

>

> Hi: I posted this on some other websites also, but not everyone is on all the

different sites, therefore, I would like opinions on what you think. From

discussion I had yesterday with some friends, nobody is for this Socialized

Medicine. There was nothing positive about it.

> I will not comment anymore, until I get some feedback on this subject because

I admit I am not up on all of it. I need to learn more myself.

>

[Guest guest]

All I will say is I am up to try anything at this point because what we have now

isn't working at all.and what the president is trying to do is not socialized

medicine. I personally feel like we have no other option but to support him.

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[ ] Re: Everyone's Opinion on Obama's New Health Care Plan

Hi: I posted this on some other websites also, but not everyone is on all the

different sites, therefore, I would like opinions on what you think. From

discussion I had yesterday with some friends, nobody is for this Socialized

Medicine. There was nothing positive about it.

I will not comment anymore, until I get some feedback on this subject

because I admit I am not up on all of it. I need to learn more myself.

[Guest guest]

I LOVE YOU RICHARD!!

Ditto!

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[ ] Re: Everyone's Opinion on Obama's New Health Care Plan

One thing for certain, the model of medicine based on capitalism is a total

train wreck! Doctors and medical insurers are no longer interested in healing

the sick or helping the suffering. In the last six years, between my wife and

me, we have been to almost 100 doctors. Less than ten actually showed any

interest in helping us with our medical problems. The rest were there for the

profits. Our insurance company, which we have used for twenty years, charges my

wife 1/3 of my monthly income for basic coverage. They have another policy for

about $300 less, identical in coverage, but because of her condition... to which

they contributed, she cannot have that policy.

Health care is a RIGHT, not a privilege for the privileged. One Sunday evening,

fifty years ago when my baby brother was only four, he accidentally spilled a

cup of boiling water on his neck and shoulders. He suffered first and second

degree burns, very painful burns! We were new in town but a local doctor came to

the house, examined him and prescribed treatment and medications for his pain.

It was a Sunday evening, all pharmacies were closed. The doctor called a

pharmacist at his house, he rushed to his shop, picked up the medication and

brought it to our house. There was NO EXTRA CHARGE.

Is socialized medicine good medicine? I know that I have read some of the same

horror stories most of you have read. There have been many problems and mistakes

in getting it set up right, in finding doctors willing to put patients before

profits, etc. There will be mistakes and problems here in the USA too! But we

have some brilliant people to work these out. We have decades of experience in

other countries to draw upon. WE are one of the most capable countries in the

world. That said, we are also the ONLY civilized country in the world with a

huge segment of our people who have NO HEALTH CARE AVAILABLE.

We must change this situation. I agree with the President, " Yes we can! "

Troxel, CPA (retired)

>

> Hi: I posted this on some other websites also, but not everyone is on all the

different sites, therefore, I would like opinions on what you think. From

discussion I had yesterday with some friends, nobody is for this Socialized

Medicine. There was nothing positive about it.

> I will not comment anymore, until I get some feedback on this subject

because I admit I am not up on all of it. I need to learn more myself.

>

[Guest guest]

An update on 's posting:

I managed to up-end a pot of vigorously boiling water on myself Tuesday evening

and sustained second-degree burns on my legs and feet. I dreaded calling 911

because, since my layoff and loss of private health coverage, my new provider is

a city health plan that I envisioned as a socialized medicine clinic --

bare-bones, an unwieldy bureaucracy, indifferent care.

Au contraire! For one thing, I get quality care in the oncology/hematology

clinic, where bright residents take all the time in the world to talk to me

about my CML, prod me to ask more questions, and seem well-versed in the latest

studies and treatment options. To top all that, their supervisor (whom I also

see) is the director of the onc/hematology department at UCSF! I felt so rushed

when I was seeing a private doctor on my old health plan.

On the night of the emergency, the paramedics were free to take me wherever an

emergency room could best accommodate more people, so they took me to St.

Francis, renown for its burn clinic. I was impressed and moved by the swiftness,

skill and compassion of the staff. I'm wrapped up like a mummy and staggering

around like enstein, but I feel very fortunate to be receiving such

conscientious care. Granted, the waiting rooms can look like real dumps, but

they are a heck of a lot more entertaining than anything that went on in my

private doctor's Pacific Heights waiting room.

There are those who attack the Healthy San Franciso plan as socialized medicine.

For me, it is quite literally a life saver, but has lifted my spirits

considerably. It has been a real pleasure and very inspiring to meet such

dedicated practitioners who go out of their way in a thousand little ways to

help you negotiate the system.

in San Francisco

From: richard.troxel@...

Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:51:30 +0000

Subject: [ ] Re: Everyone's Opinion on Obama's New Health Care Plan

One thing for certain, the model of medicine based on capitalism is a

total train wreck! Doctors and medical insurers are no longer interested in

healing the sick or helping the suffering. In the last six years, between my

wife and me, we have been to almost 100 doctors. Less than ten actually showed

any interest in helping us with our medical problems. The rest were there for

the profits. Our insurance company, which we have used for twenty years, charges

my wife 1/3 of my monthly income for basic coverage. They have another policy

for about $300 less, identical in coverage, but because of her condition... to

which they contributed, she cannot have that policy.

Health care is a RIGHT, not a privilege for the privileged. One Sunday evening,

fifty years ago when my baby brother was only four, he accidentally spilled a

cup of boiling water on his neck and shoulders. He suffered first and second

degree burns, very painful burns! We were new in town but a local doctor came to

the house, examined him and prescribed treatment and medications for his pain.

It was a Sunday evening, all pharmacies were closed. The doctor called a

pharmacist at his house, he rushed to his shop, picked up the medication and

brought it to our house. There was NO EXTRA CHARGE.

Is socialized medicine good medicine? I know that I have read some of the same

horror stories most of you have read. There have been many problems and mistakes

in getting it set up right, in finding doctors willing to put patients before

profits, etc. There will be mistakes and problems here in the USA too! But we

have some brilliant people to work these out. We have decades of experience in

other countries to draw upon. WE are one of the most capable countries in the

world. That said, we are also the ONLY civilized country in the world with a

huge segment of our people who have NO HEALTH CARE AVAILABLE.

We must change this situation. I agree with the President, " Yes we can! "

Troxel, CPA (retired)

>

> Hi: I posted this on some other websites also, but not everyone is on all the

different sites, therefore, I would like opinions on what you think. From

discussion I had yesterday with some friends, nobody is for this Socialized

Medicine. There was nothing positive about it.

> I will not comment anymore, until I get some feedback on this subject

because I admit I am not up on all of it. I need to learn more myself.

>

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that's ok, no matter who it went to, if that's the plan, great, I like AARP too,

I like going to the dr. of my choice.  Bobby

a (Bobby) Doyle Brecksville, Ohio, USA DX 05/1995 02/2000 - Gleevec

Trial/OHSU 06/2002 - Gleevec/Trisenox Trial/OHSU 06/2003 - Gleevec/Zarnestra

Trial/OHSU 04/2004 - Sprycel Trial/MDACC, CCR in 10 months #840  -   Zavie's

Zero Club 09/2006 -  out of CCR 04/29/08 - XL228 Trial/ U.of Michigan

06/02/08 - CCR ( in 4 weeks)

02/13/09 - XL trial ended due to side effects

04/13/09 - New Trial, Ariad / U. of Mich./ Dr. Talpaz

 

From: richard_troxel <richard.troxel@ gmail.com>

Subject: [ ] Re: Everyone's Opinion on Obama's New Health Care Plan

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Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 10:51 PM

One thing for certain, the model of medicine based on capitalism is a total

train wreck! Doctors and medical insurers are no longer interested in healing

the sick or helping the suffering. In the last six years, between my wife and

me, we have been to almost 100 doctors. Less than ten actually showed any

interest in helping us with our medical problems. The rest were there for the

profits. Our insurance company, which we have used for twenty years, charges my

wife 1/3 of my monthly income for basic coverage. They have another policy for

about $300 less, identical in coverage, but because of her condition... to which

they contributed, she cannot have that policy.

Health care is a RIGHT, not a privilege for the privileged. One Sunday evening,

fifty years ago when my baby brother was only four, he accidentally spilled a

cup of boiling water on his neck and shoulders. He suffered first and second

degree burns, very painful burns! We were new in town but a local doctor came to

the house, examined him and prescribed treatment and medications for his pain.

It was a Sunday evening, all pharmacies were closed. The doctor called a

pharmacist at his house, he rushed to his shop, picked up the medication and

brought it to our house. There was NO EXTRA CHARGE.

Is socialized medicine good medicine? I know that I have read some of the same

horror stories most of you have read. There have been many problems and mistakes

in getting it set up right, in finding doctors willing to put patients before

profits, etc. There will be mistakes and problems here in the USA too! But we

have some brilliant people to work these out. We have decades of experience in

other countries to draw upon. WE are one of the most capable countries in the

world. That said, we are also the ONLY civilized country in the world with a

huge segment of our people who have NO HEALTH CARE AVAILABLE.

We must change this situation. I agree with the President, " Yes we can! "

Troxel, CPA (retired)

>

> Hi: I posted this on some other websites also, but not everyone is on all the

different sites, therefore, I would like opinions on what you think. From

discussion I had yesterday with some friends, nobody is for this Socialized

Medicine. There was nothing positive about it.

> I will not comment anymore, until I get some feedback on this subject because

I admit I am not up on all of it. I need to learn more myself.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, last year my daughter had such a bad headache, or pain on one side of her

head, she had to go to  emergency.  First thing she told them was she had NO

insurance, and NO money.  They took care of her, she had shingles, very bad, and

sent her a hospital bill for $500.00, plus the docor's fee..  One would think

they could have told her what it would cost, ahead of time, so she could choose

to stay or leave. 

> Now I keep hearing if you come across  a border and live here illegally, you

can go to the er and get taken care of free.  I have no proof of that, but I

keep reading about it. 

____________________

Hi Bobby,

Ethically and legally, they could not let your daughter leave because she could

have been having a stroke or a brain aneursym. The people taking care of her DID

have her best interest in mind.....and those are the people who typically don't

even know what different procedures will cost, etc. The most important thing was

to figure out what was going on with her, because it could have been something

much worse.

In this country, if you are indigent, you get free medical care (the old, you

can't squeeze blood from a turnip). If you are wealthy, you can afford any care

that you need, and you usually have insurance. It is the working poor, without

health insurance that our system is especially not working for (and this is what

Obama wants to address. His proposal lets you keep your present health care if

you are happy with it. It offers reasonable options to all the uninsured. AND

there are people who could afford some health insurance, but choose not to pay

for it....they spend their money on other things instead, like the big screen

TV, the boat, etc. Which is why some people think that having health insurance

should be mandatory....Obama does not, Hiliary Clinton did. The Massachusetts

plan covers everyone, and it is mandatory. When people opt out, they end up

costing the system, because they usually cannot pay for the care that they get).

Health care should be handled the same as fire and police protection. It is

there for everyone and everyone pays for it (in your taxes). When the fireman

shows up at your burning home, he does not ask if you have paid for it before he

goes to work putting the fire out. And you can't say....'well, I will probably

never need it, so I won't pay for it'. Having a policeman or fireman come to

your aid when you need it is a right (not a privilege)....and it should be the

same for health care. We have so many 'socialized' systems in this country, I

can't understand why people freak out so much about thinking that health care

might be 'socialized' to some extent.

One of the things that Obama did (or had a team do) as he was running for

president, was to study ALL of the health care systems that other industrialized

countries had, and what parts of them were successful or not. I saw a very good

documentary program on this topic. Unfortunately in this country, very often,

when people already have something (like health care) that is all they care

about....they are mostly about looking out for their own interests, their own

pocketbook. If you have decent health insurance....great, but you should be

concerned about the thousands of people who do not have health insurance, for

many reasons but also because it is costing you!! When 10 people going into the

ER cannot pay, then the 5 who can are paying the full bill, for all of them. The

ER does not treat people for free, it just does not get re-imbursed by some of

them, so those that do pay are paying more than their fair share.

Hey Bobby, did I outdo you...on my soap box.

I worked in health care (a mini-socialized system at a University that was a

great model of health care) and I live in a state (Oregon) that has provided

health care for the un-insured for many years.

C.