Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 There's no direct studies yet about testosterone and Valtrex just yet, but the reality is that if you improve methylation you likely raise glutathione and raised glutathione will lower testosterone. It is seemingly as simple as that. So if you are modulating Adenosine with Valtrex and you had very high or low levels it will likely affect methylation and glutathione and therefor testosterone. In my mind, it's pretty clear that if we improve methylation either by Valtrex, or MB12 or lowering the amount fungus in the gut, or feeding with simple foods and using less enzymes to digest food.... ALL of these things can improve methylation and raise glutathione levels and therefor lower abnormally high levels of testosterone. As I'm thinking about it, Valtrex may also be doing other things that help methylation that we don't know yet. We have only discovered the adenosine connection so far. There could be more to this. My son was a floppy child, so in children testosterone does not have to directly relate to muscle size, especially if you have severe sensory or digestive issues. You need to feed the muscles and the brain needs to have access to the muscles. For example, in the extreme case of a coma, if the muscles are engaged by the brain there will be atrophy regardless of the testosterone levels. On the other hand, there are adult autistics that are amazingly strong. My cousin is one of them. Anyway, my suggestion is to try it for yourself and see what you observe since all of these children are uniquely affected. - Stan > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower with > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for this > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my little > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please correct > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone bring on > the same intrest in private parts? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 There's no direct studies yet about testosterone and Valtrex just yet, but the reality is that if you improve methylation you likely raise glutathione and raised glutathione will lower testosterone. It is seemingly as simple as that. So if you are modulating Adenosine with Valtrex and you had very high or low levels it will likely affect methylation and glutathione and therefor testosterone. In my mind, it's pretty clear that if we improve methylation either by Valtrex, or MB12 or lowering the amount fungus in the gut, or feeding with simple foods and using less enzymes to digest food.... ALL of these things can improve methylation and raise glutathione levels and therefor lower abnormally high levels of testosterone. As I'm thinking about it, Valtrex may also be doing other things that help methylation that we don't know yet. We have only discovered the adenosine connection so far. There could be more to this. My son was a floppy child, so in children testosterone does not have to directly relate to muscle size, especially if you have severe sensory or digestive issues. You need to feed the muscles and the brain needs to have access to the muscles. For example, in the extreme case of a coma, if the muscles are engaged by the brain there will be atrophy regardless of the testosterone levels. On the other hand, there are adult autistics that are amazingly strong. My cousin is one of them. Anyway, my suggestion is to try it for yourself and see what you observe since all of these children are uniquely affected. - Stan > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower with > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for this > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my little > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please correct > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone bring on > the same intrest in private parts? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab messed up (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So from that visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be definite physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more muscular, strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. And I would think that the interest in private parts would not correlate with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) Hope that helps, Message: 7 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@...> Subject: testosterone question did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower with the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for this issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my little guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please correct me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone bring on the same intrest in private parts? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: 4/16/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab messed up (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So from that visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be definite physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more muscular, strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. And I would think that the interest in private parts would not correlate with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) Hope that helps, Message: 7 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@...> Subject: testosterone question did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower with the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for this issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my little guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please correct me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone bring on the same intrest in private parts? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: 4/16/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Sorry, I missed the question the first time. The DAN! consensus right now is that the safe way to go after the testosterone is with antifungals. Nizoral was one of the ones they mentioned as being a good one, but I suspect Diflucan works well too. There are medicine's that go after this, but right now most docs are afraid to go after it directly with a testosterone lowering drug. I would try Diflucan or Nizoral (Nizoral may be a bit more toxic than Diflucan so you may want to ask your doc to monitor liver enzymes, but many docs swear by Nizoral as they do Diflucan). I also feel testosterone changes with MB12. You may want to try that as well. Really, anything that improves methylation and raises glutathione will lower testosterone and vice versa. If you have high testosterone, you will have lower glutathione. Valtex will probably help kids struggling with high or low adenosine which can affect methylation. I would try to work on raising glutathione through antifungals, MB12, possibly Valtrex, transderman glutathione, etc and if that doesn't work let us know. I'm not comfortable giving out the name of the medicine that lowers testosterone directly because of the possible risks in directly lowering testosterone in that way.. Let us know how you do. - Stan > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab messed up > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So from that > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be definite > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more muscular, > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not correlate > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) Hope that > helps, > > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@...> > Subject: testosterone question > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower with > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for this > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my little > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please correct > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone bring on > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: 4/16/2006 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Sorry, I missed the question the first time. The DAN! consensus right now is that the safe way to go after the testosterone is with antifungals. Nizoral was one of the ones they mentioned as being a good one, but I suspect Diflucan works well too. There are medicine's that go after this, but right now most docs are afraid to go after it directly with a testosterone lowering drug. I would try Diflucan or Nizoral (Nizoral may be a bit more toxic than Diflucan so you may want to ask your doc to monitor liver enzymes, but many docs swear by Nizoral as they do Diflucan). I also feel testosterone changes with MB12. You may want to try that as well. Really, anything that improves methylation and raises glutathione will lower testosterone and vice versa. If you have high testosterone, you will have lower glutathione. Valtex will probably help kids struggling with high or low adenosine which can affect methylation. I would try to work on raising glutathione through antifungals, MB12, possibly Valtrex, transderman glutathione, etc and if that doesn't work let us know. I'm not comfortable giving out the name of the medicine that lowers testosterone directly because of the possible risks in directly lowering testosterone in that way.. Let us know how you do. - Stan > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab messed up > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So from that > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be definite > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more muscular, > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not correlate > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) Hope that > helps, > > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@...> > Subject: testosterone question > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower with > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for this > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my little > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please correct > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone bring on > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: 4/16/2006 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Stan, Did they happen to mention the length of time that we should keep our kids on the diflucan in order to lower the testosterone? Sheryl testosterone question> > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower with > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for this > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my little > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please correct > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone bring on > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: 4/16/2006> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Is there an easy test to measure levels of testosterone for certain age groups?The Schwartz Family <ams1088@...> wrote: Stan, Did they happen to mention the length of time that we should keep our kids on the diflucan in order to lower the testosterone? Sheryl testosterone question> > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower with > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for this > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my little > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please correct > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone bring on > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: 4/16/2006> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 In " Advanced metallothionein profile " -GPL Lab. the levels of Glutathione of my daughter was: 8129.00 umol/l (reference range 800.0-1500.0), so very high levels. elevated total glutathione may also be elevated in heavy metal toxicity, it does not mean that testosterone automatically is low... ?!???? marilina > > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > messed up > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > from that > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > definite > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > muscular, > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > correlate > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > Hope that > > helps, > > > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@> > > Subject: testosterone question > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > with > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > this > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > little > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > correct > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > bring on > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > 4/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 In " Advanced metallothionein profile " -GPL Lab. the levels of Glutathione of my daughter was: 8129.00 umol/l (reference range 800.0-1500.0), so very high levels. elevated total glutathione may also be elevated in heavy metal toxicity, it does not mean that testosterone automatically is low... ?!???? marilina > > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > messed up > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > from that > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > definite > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > muscular, > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > correlate > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > Hope that > > helps, > > > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@> > > Subject: testosterone question > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > with > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > this > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > little > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > correct > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > bring on > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > 4/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 It starts right away and stops right when you get off.... for the most part. The real trick to managing testosterone in general IMO is to lessen the fungus and bacteria (diet, antifungals, probiotics), improve methylation (MB12, vitamins and supplements, Valtrex, etc), antiviral therapy (Valtrex, OLE, VS) and properly feeding the body (SCD Minus IGG Food Allergies, etc). Bascially, everything we learn about biological therapies for autism seem to modulate testosterone. - Stan > > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > messed up > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > from that > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > definite > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > muscular, > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > correlate > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > Hope that > > helps, > > > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@> > > Subject: testosterone question > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > with > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > this > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > little > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > correct > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > bring on > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > 4/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 It starts right away and stops right when you get off.... for the most part. The real trick to managing testosterone in general IMO is to lessen the fungus and bacteria (diet, antifungals, probiotics), improve methylation (MB12, vitamins and supplements, Valtrex, etc), antiviral therapy (Valtrex, OLE, VS) and properly feeding the body (SCD Minus IGG Food Allergies, etc). Bascially, everything we learn about biological therapies for autism seem to modulate testosterone. - Stan > > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > messed up > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > from that > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > definite > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > muscular, > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > correlate > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > Hope that > > helps, > > > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@> > > Subject: testosterone question > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > with > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > this > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > little > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > correct > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > bring on > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > 4/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Two ways. 1. A blood test for testosterone. 2. A test for glutathione (if you have low glutathione, you have high testosterone... it's that simple...according to my discussion with Dr. Mark Geier.) - Stan > > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > messed up > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > from that > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > definite > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > muscular, > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > correlate > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > Hope that > > helps, > > > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@> > > Subject: testosterone question > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > with > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > this > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > little > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > correct > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > bring on > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > 4/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Two ways. 1. A blood test for testosterone. 2. A test for glutathione (if you have low glutathione, you have high testosterone... it's that simple...according to my discussion with Dr. Mark Geier.) - Stan > > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > messed up > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > from that > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > definite > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > muscular, > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > correlate > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > Hope that > > helps, > > > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@> > > Subject: testosterone question > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > with > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > this > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > little > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > correct > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > bring on > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > 4/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 According to Dr. Mark and Geier, yes.... that number sounds wierd to me though. What did the lab suggest? - Stan > > > > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > > messed up > > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > > from that > > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > > definite > > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > > muscular, > > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > > correlate > > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > > Hope that > > > helps, > > > > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > > > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@> > > > Subject: testosterone question > > > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > > with > > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > > this > > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > > little > > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > > correct > > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > > bring on > > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > > 4/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 According to Dr. Mark and Geier, yes.... that number sounds wierd to me though. What did the lab suggest? - Stan > > > > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > > messed up > > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > > from that > > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > > definite > > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > > muscular, > > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > > correlate > > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > > Hope that > > > helps, > > > > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > > > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@> > > > Subject: testosterone question > > > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > > with > > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > > this > > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > > little > > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > > correct > > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > > bring on > > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > > 4/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Thanks Stan... " According to Dr. Mark and Geier, yes.... " does it mean, yes it is correlated wuth heavy metal toxicity? ( " wierd " what does it mean?) Gpl wrote: Elevated total glutathione may be due to supplementation (it is not my case), myelofibrosis (no!), Lesch-Nyhan sindrome (no!), or deficiency of pyrimidine.5'-nucleotidase. Heavy metal toxicity inhibits pyrimidine-5'-nucleotidase, and also glutathione may alo be elevated. Total glutathione is also elevated in smokers (NO!!) Yesterday I read in : Society of Toxicology - 2006 abstracts https://www.toxicology.org/AI/FA/SOT_Toxicologist2006.pdf something about Uranio (my doughter has uranio very high: 0,46 ref.range :,060 -hair test GPL): 1801 NEUROLOGICAL EFFECTS OF CHRONIC URANIUM AND STRESS EXPOSURE D.S.Barber 1 ,S.K.Hancock 2 ,J.Hinckley 2 ,K.Zimmerman 3 ,M.F.Ehrich 2 and B.S.Jortner 2 .1 Center for Environmental and Human Toxicology,University of Florida,Gainesville,FL,2 Laboratory for Neurotoxicity Studies,Virginia Tech, Blacksburg,VA and 3 Biomedical Science,Virginia Tech,Blacksburg,VA. We have previously demonstrated that acute exposure to uranium produces increased brain uranium content and has adverse neurological consequences.In this study,we examined the behavioral,biochemical and histological effects of 6 months exposure to implanted metallic uranium pellets with and without concurrent stress. A total of 20 uranium and/or tantalum pellets (1mm x 2mm)were implanted in the gastrocnemius of each rat.Stress was applied 5 days/week for the entire exposure in a random pattern of handling,restraint,and swimming to minimize habituation. No effect of uranium was observed on behavioral endpoints,however stress decreased body weight and increased fine motor activity at times longer than 4 weeks. Implantation of uranium pellets produced dose dependent increases in brain,kidney,plasma,and urine uranium levels.In striatum,uranium content increased from 0.4 ng/g in control to 1.4 ng/g in animals implanted with 20 DU pellets. Plasma samples taken during the course of exposure indicated that uranium was consistently elevated.The highest dose of uranium caused significant decreases in cerebellar norepinephrine (16%)and striatal dopamine (15%)which were not modified by stress.No effect on total glutathione was observed in any brain region,though stress tended to increase levels of GSH.Serum chemistry analytes and hematocrit values were unremarkable across all treatment groups and there is no data indicative of reduced glomerular filtration.These results demonstrate that intramuscular uranium fragments produce ongoing mobilization of uranium,that at higher levels modify the tissue content of neurotransmitters in the CNS.These changes were not associated with significant changes in behavior,motor activity or memory.This work was supported by the Military Operational Medicine Research Program by DAMD17-1-01-0775. " No effect on total glutathione was observed in any brain region,though stress tended to increase levels of GSH. " high glutathione=uranio stress? CIAO,marilina > > > > > > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > > > messed up > > > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > > > from that > > > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > > > definite > > > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > > > muscular, > > > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > > > correlate > > > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > > > Hope that > > > > helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > > > > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@> > > > > Subject: testosterone question > > > > > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > > > with > > > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > > > this > > > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > > > little > > > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > > > correct > > > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > > > bring on > > > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > > > 4/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Thanks Stan... " According to Dr. Mark and Geier, yes.... " does it mean, yes it is correlated wuth heavy metal toxicity? ( " wierd " what does it mean?) Gpl wrote: Elevated total glutathione may be due to supplementation (it is not my case), myelofibrosis (no!), Lesch-Nyhan sindrome (no!), or deficiency of pyrimidine.5'-nucleotidase. Heavy metal toxicity inhibits pyrimidine-5'-nucleotidase, and also glutathione may alo be elevated. Total glutathione is also elevated in smokers (NO!!) Yesterday I read in : Society of Toxicology - 2006 abstracts https://www.toxicology.org/AI/FA/SOT_Toxicologist2006.pdf something about Uranio (my doughter has uranio very high: 0,46 ref.range :,060 -hair test GPL): 1801 NEUROLOGICAL EFFECTS OF CHRONIC URANIUM AND STRESS EXPOSURE D.S.Barber 1 ,S.K.Hancock 2 ,J.Hinckley 2 ,K.Zimmerman 3 ,M.F.Ehrich 2 and B.S.Jortner 2 .1 Center for Environmental and Human Toxicology,University of Florida,Gainesville,FL,2 Laboratory for Neurotoxicity Studies,Virginia Tech, Blacksburg,VA and 3 Biomedical Science,Virginia Tech,Blacksburg,VA. We have previously demonstrated that acute exposure to uranium produces increased brain uranium content and has adverse neurological consequences.In this study,we examined the behavioral,biochemical and histological effects of 6 months exposure to implanted metallic uranium pellets with and without concurrent stress. A total of 20 uranium and/or tantalum pellets (1mm x 2mm)were implanted in the gastrocnemius of each rat.Stress was applied 5 days/week for the entire exposure in a random pattern of handling,restraint,and swimming to minimize habituation. No effect of uranium was observed on behavioral endpoints,however stress decreased body weight and increased fine motor activity at times longer than 4 weeks. Implantation of uranium pellets produced dose dependent increases in brain,kidney,plasma,and urine uranium levels.In striatum,uranium content increased from 0.4 ng/g in control to 1.4 ng/g in animals implanted with 20 DU pellets. Plasma samples taken during the course of exposure indicated that uranium was consistently elevated.The highest dose of uranium caused significant decreases in cerebellar norepinephrine (16%)and striatal dopamine (15%)which were not modified by stress.No effect on total glutathione was observed in any brain region,though stress tended to increase levels of GSH.Serum chemistry analytes and hematocrit values were unremarkable across all treatment groups and there is no data indicative of reduced glomerular filtration.These results demonstrate that intramuscular uranium fragments produce ongoing mobilization of uranium,that at higher levels modify the tissue content of neurotransmitters in the CNS.These changes were not associated with significant changes in behavior,motor activity or memory.This work was supported by the Military Operational Medicine Research Program by DAMD17-1-01-0775. " No effect on total glutathione was observed in any brain region,though stress tended to increase levels of GSH. " high glutathione=uranio stress? CIAO,marilina > > > > > > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > > > messed up > > > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > > > from that > > > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > > > definite > > > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > > > muscular, > > > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > > > correlate > > > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > > > Hope that > > > > helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > > > > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@> > > > > Subject: testosterone question > > > > > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > > > with > > > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > > > this > > > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > > > little > > > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > > > correct > > > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > > > bring on > > > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > > > 4/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Thanks Stan... " According to Dr. Mark and Geier, yes.... " does it mean, yes it is correlated with heavy metal toxicity? ( " wierd " what does it mean?) Gpl wrote: Elevated total glutathione may be due to supplementation (it is not my case), myelofibrosis (no!), Lesch-Nyhan sindrome (no!), or deficiency of pyrimidine.5'-nucleotidase. Heavy metal toxicity inhibits pyrimidine-5'-nucleotidase, and also glutathione may alo be elevated. Total glutathione is also elevated in smokers (NO!!) Yesterday I read in : Society of Toxicology - 2006 abstracts https://www.toxicology.org/AI/FA/SOT_Toxicologist2006.pdf something about Uranio (my doughter has uranio very high: 0,46 ref.range :0,060 -hair test GPL): 1801 NEUROLOGICAL EFFECTS OF CHRONIC URANIUM AND STRESS EXPOSURE D.S.Barber 1 ,S.K.Hancock 2 ,J.Hinckley 2 ,K.Zimmerman 3 ,M.F.Ehrich 2 and B.S.Jortner 2 .1 Center for Environmental and Human Toxicology,University of Florida,Gainesville,FL,2 Laboratory for Neurotoxicity Studies,Virginia Tech, Blacksburg,VA and 3 Biomedical Science,Virginia Tech,Blacksburg,VA. We have previously demonstrated that acute exposure to uranium produces increased brain uranium content and has adverse neurological consequences.In this study,we examined the behavioral,biochemical and histological effects of 6 months exposure to implanted metallic uranium pellets with and without concurrent stress. A total of 20 uranium and/or tantalum pellets (1mm x 2mm)were implanted in the gastrocnemius of each rat.Stress was applied 5 days/week for the entire exposure in a random pattern of handling,restraint,and swimming to minimize habituation. No effect of uranium was observed on behavioral endpoints,however stress decreased body weight and increased fine motor activity at times longer than 4 weeks. Implantation of uranium pellets produced dose dependent increases in brain,kidney,plasma,and urine uranium levels.In striatum,uranium content increased from 0.4 ng/g in control to 1.4 ng/g in animals implanted with 20 DU pellets. Plasma samples taken during the course of exposure indicated that uranium was consistently elevated.The highest dose of uranium caused significant decreases in cerebellar norepinephrine (16%)and striatal dopamine (15%)which were not modified by stress.No effect on total glutathione was observed in any brain region,though stress tended to increase levels of GSH.Serum chemistry analytes and hematocrit values were unremarkable across all treatment groups and there is no data indicative of reduced glomerular filtration.These results demonstrate that intramuscular uranium fragments produce ongoing mobilization of uranium,that at higher levels modify the tissue content of neurotransmitters in the CNS.These changes were not associated with significant changes in behavior,motor activity or memory.This work was supported by the Military Operational Medicine Research Program by DAMD17-1-01-0775. " No effect on total glutathione was observed in any brain region,though stress tended to increase levels of GSH. " high glutathione=uranio stress? CIAO,marilina > > > > > > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > > > messed up > > > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > > > from that > > > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > > > definite > > > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > > > muscular, > > > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > > > correlate > > > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > > > Hope that > > > > helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > > > > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@> > > > > Subject: testosterone question > > > > > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > > > with > > > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > > > this > > > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > > > little > > > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > > > correct > > > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > > > bring on > > > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > > > 4/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Thanks Stan... " According to Dr. Mark and Geier, yes.... " does it mean, yes it is correlated with heavy metal toxicity? ( " wierd " what does it mean?) Gpl wrote: Elevated total glutathione may be due to supplementation (it is not my case), myelofibrosis (no!), Lesch-Nyhan sindrome (no!), or deficiency of pyrimidine.5'-nucleotidase. Heavy metal toxicity inhibits pyrimidine-5'-nucleotidase, and also glutathione may alo be elevated. Total glutathione is also elevated in smokers (NO!!) Yesterday I read in : Society of Toxicology - 2006 abstracts https://www.toxicology.org/AI/FA/SOT_Toxicologist2006.pdf something about Uranio (my doughter has uranio very high: 0,46 ref.range :0,060 -hair test GPL): 1801 NEUROLOGICAL EFFECTS OF CHRONIC URANIUM AND STRESS EXPOSURE D.S.Barber 1 ,S.K.Hancock 2 ,J.Hinckley 2 ,K.Zimmerman 3 ,M.F.Ehrich 2 and B.S.Jortner 2 .1 Center for Environmental and Human Toxicology,University of Florida,Gainesville,FL,2 Laboratory for Neurotoxicity Studies,Virginia Tech, Blacksburg,VA and 3 Biomedical Science,Virginia Tech,Blacksburg,VA. We have previously demonstrated that acute exposure to uranium produces increased brain uranium content and has adverse neurological consequences.In this study,we examined the behavioral,biochemical and histological effects of 6 months exposure to implanted metallic uranium pellets with and without concurrent stress. A total of 20 uranium and/or tantalum pellets (1mm x 2mm)were implanted in the gastrocnemius of each rat.Stress was applied 5 days/week for the entire exposure in a random pattern of handling,restraint,and swimming to minimize habituation. No effect of uranium was observed on behavioral endpoints,however stress decreased body weight and increased fine motor activity at times longer than 4 weeks. Implantation of uranium pellets produced dose dependent increases in brain,kidney,plasma,and urine uranium levels.In striatum,uranium content increased from 0.4 ng/g in control to 1.4 ng/g in animals implanted with 20 DU pellets. Plasma samples taken during the course of exposure indicated that uranium was consistently elevated.The highest dose of uranium caused significant decreases in cerebellar norepinephrine (16%)and striatal dopamine (15%)which were not modified by stress.No effect on total glutathione was observed in any brain region,though stress tended to increase levels of GSH.Serum chemistry analytes and hematocrit values were unremarkable across all treatment groups and there is no data indicative of reduced glomerular filtration.These results demonstrate that intramuscular uranium fragments produce ongoing mobilization of uranium,that at higher levels modify the tissue content of neurotransmitters in the CNS.These changes were not associated with significant changes in behavior,motor activity or memory.This work was supported by the Military Operational Medicine Research Program by DAMD17-1-01-0775. " No effect on total glutathione was observed in any brain region,though stress tended to increase levels of GSH. " high glutathione=uranio stress? CIAO,marilina > > > > > > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > > > messed up > > > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > > > from that > > > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > > > definite > > > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > > > muscular, > > > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > > > correlate > > > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > > > Hope that > > > > helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > > > > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@> > > > > Subject: testosterone question > > > > > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > > > with > > > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > > > this > > > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > > > little > > > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > > > correct > > > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > > > bring on > > > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > > > 4/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 hello to whoever wrote this-- you are the first person who has mentioned uranium in a child's heavy metal, toxin report. Well, here's another- 2 years ago or so ina test done by Doctor's Data my grandson test VERY HIHG on uranium. I got very upset seeing this-tried to gathr as much info on it as I could and nobody really gave me any good answers-except to say it's in the ground and he may have gotten it from the dirt-playing outside, hands in mouth etc. I even tried the state of SC Environmental Agency to test the dirt outside the house and they refused-the did test the water tho from the tap(which he doesn't drink anyway) and found it to be fine. meant very high-lots of typos -sorry. Haven't retested himsince then on this. Maurinemarilina_hp <marilina_hp@...> wrote: Thanks Stan..."According to Dr. Mark and Geier, yes...."does it mean, yes itis correlated with heavy metal toxicity?("wierd" what does it mean?)Gpl wrote:Elevated total glutathione may be due to supplementation (it is not mycase), myelofibrosis (no!), Lesch-Nyhan sindrome (no!), or deficiencyof pyrimidine.5'-nucleotidase.Heavy metal toxicity inhibits pyrimidine-5'-nucleotidase, and alsoglutathione may alo be elevated. Total glutathione is also elevated insmokers (NO!!)Yesterday I read in : Society of Toxicology - 2006 abstracts https://www.toxicology.org/AI/FA/SOT_Toxicologist2006.pdfsomething about Uranio (my doughter has uranio very high: 0,46ref.range :0,060 -hair test GPL):1801 NEUROLOGICAL EFFECTS OF CHRONIC URANIUMAND STRESS EXPOSURED.S.Barber 1 ,S.K.Hancock 2 ,J.Hinckley 2 ,K.Zimmerman 3 ,M.F.Ehrich 2and B.S.Jortner 2 ..1 Center for Environmental and HumanToxicology,University of Florida,Gainesville,FL,2 Laboratory forNeurotoxicity Studies,Virginia Tech, Blacksburg,VA and 3 BiomedicalScience,Virginia Tech,Blacksburg,VA.We have previously demonstrated that acute exposure to uraniumproduces increased brain uranium content and has adverse neurologicalconsequences.In this study,we examined the behavioral,biochemical andhistological effects of 6 months exposure to implanted metallicuranium pellets with and without concurrent stress.A total of 20 uranium and/or tantalum pellets (1mm x 2mm)wereimplanted in the gastrocnemius of each rat.Stress was applied 5days/week for the entire exposure in a random pattern ofhandling,restraint,and swimming to minimize habituation.No effect of uranium was observed on behavioral endpoints,howeverstress decreased body weight and increased fine motor activity attimes longer than 4 weeks.Implantation of uranium pellets produced dose dependent increases inbrain,kidney,plasma,and urine uranium levels.In striatum,uraniumcontent increased from 0.4 ng/g in control to 1.4 ng/g in animalsimplanted with 20 DU pellets.Plasma samples taken during the course of exposure indicated thaturanium was consistently elevated.The highest dose of uranium causedsignificant decreases in cerebellar norepinephrine (16%)and striataldopamine (15%)which were not modified by stress.No effect on totalglutathione was observed in any brain region,though stress tended toincrease levels of GSH.Serum chemistry analytes and hematocrit valueswere unremarkable across all treatment groups and there is nodata indicative of reduced glomerular filtration.These resultsdemonstrate that intramuscular uranium fragments produce ongoingmobilization of uranium,that at higher levels modify the tissuecontent of neurotransmitters in the CNS.These changes were notassociated with significant changes in behavior,motor activity ormemory.This work was supported by the Military Operational MedicineResearchProgram by DAMD17-1-01-0775. "No effect on total glutathione was observed in any brainregion,though stress tended to increase levels of GSH."high glutathione=uranio stress?CIAO,marilina> > > >> > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > > > messed up> > > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > > > from that> > > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > > > definite> > > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > > > muscular,> > > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > > > correlate> > > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > > > Hope that> > > > helps,> > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000> > > > From: "sargeantdriscoll" <sargeantdriscoll@>> > > > Subject: testosterone question> > > > > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > > > with > > > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > > > this > > > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > > > little > > > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > > > correct > > > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > > > bring on > > > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > > > 4/16/2006> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 hello to whoever wrote this-- you are the first person who has mentioned uranium in a child's heavy metal, toxin report. Well, here's another- 2 years ago or so ina test done by Doctor's Data my grandson test VERY HIHG on uranium. I got very upset seeing this-tried to gathr as much info on it as I could and nobody really gave me any good answers-except to say it's in the ground and he may have gotten it from the dirt-playing outside, hands in mouth etc. I even tried the state of SC Environmental Agency to test the dirt outside the house and they refused-the did test the water tho from the tap(which he doesn't drink anyway) and found it to be fine. meant very high-lots of typos -sorry. Haven't retested himsince then on this. Maurinemarilina_hp <marilina_hp@...> wrote: Thanks Stan..."According to Dr. Mark and Geier, yes...."does it mean, yes itis correlated with heavy metal toxicity?("wierd" what does it mean?)Gpl wrote:Elevated total glutathione may be due to supplementation (it is not mycase), myelofibrosis (no!), Lesch-Nyhan sindrome (no!), or deficiencyof pyrimidine.5'-nucleotidase.Heavy metal toxicity inhibits pyrimidine-5'-nucleotidase, and alsoglutathione may alo be elevated. Total glutathione is also elevated insmokers (NO!!)Yesterday I read in : Society of Toxicology - 2006 abstracts https://www.toxicology.org/AI/FA/SOT_Toxicologist2006.pdfsomething about Uranio (my doughter has uranio very high: 0,46ref.range :0,060 -hair test GPL):1801 NEUROLOGICAL EFFECTS OF CHRONIC URANIUMAND STRESS EXPOSURED.S.Barber 1 ,S.K.Hancock 2 ,J.Hinckley 2 ,K.Zimmerman 3 ,M.F.Ehrich 2and B.S.Jortner 2 ..1 Center for Environmental and HumanToxicology,University of Florida,Gainesville,FL,2 Laboratory forNeurotoxicity Studies,Virginia Tech, Blacksburg,VA and 3 BiomedicalScience,Virginia Tech,Blacksburg,VA.We have previously demonstrated that acute exposure to uraniumproduces increased brain uranium content and has adverse neurologicalconsequences.In this study,we examined the behavioral,biochemical andhistological effects of 6 months exposure to implanted metallicuranium pellets with and without concurrent stress.A total of 20 uranium and/or tantalum pellets (1mm x 2mm)wereimplanted in the gastrocnemius of each rat.Stress was applied 5days/week for the entire exposure in a random pattern ofhandling,restraint,and swimming to minimize habituation.No effect of uranium was observed on behavioral endpoints,howeverstress decreased body weight and increased fine motor activity attimes longer than 4 weeks.Implantation of uranium pellets produced dose dependent increases inbrain,kidney,plasma,and urine uranium levels.In striatum,uraniumcontent increased from 0.4 ng/g in control to 1.4 ng/g in animalsimplanted with 20 DU pellets.Plasma samples taken during the course of exposure indicated thaturanium was consistently elevated.The highest dose of uranium causedsignificant decreases in cerebellar norepinephrine (16%)and striataldopamine (15%)which were not modified by stress.No effect on totalglutathione was observed in any brain region,though stress tended toincrease levels of GSH.Serum chemistry analytes and hematocrit valueswere unremarkable across all treatment groups and there is nodata indicative of reduced glomerular filtration.These resultsdemonstrate that intramuscular uranium fragments produce ongoingmobilization of uranium,that at higher levels modify the tissuecontent of neurotransmitters in the CNS.These changes were notassociated with significant changes in behavior,motor activity ormemory.This work was supported by the Military Operational MedicineResearchProgram by DAMD17-1-01-0775. "No effect on total glutathione was observed in any brainregion,though stress tended to increase levels of GSH."high glutathione=uranio stress?CIAO,marilina> > > >> > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > > > messed up> > > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > > > from that> > > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > > > definite> > > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > > > muscular,> > > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > > > correlate> > > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > > > Hope that> > > > helps,> > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000> > > > From: "sargeantdriscoll" <sargeantdriscoll@>> > > > Subject: testosterone question> > > > > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > > > with > > > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > > > this > > > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > > > little > > > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > > > correct > > > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > > > bring on > > > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > > > 4/16/2006> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 " hello to whoever wrote this-- " My name is Marilina (italian) CIAO > > > > > > > > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > > > > messed up > > > > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > > > > from that > > > > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > > > > definite > > > > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > > > > muscular, > > > > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > > > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > > > > correlate > > > > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > > > > Hope that > > > > > helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > > > > > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@> > > > > > Subject: testosterone question > > > > > > > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > > > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > > > > with > > > > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > > > > this > > > > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > > > > little > > > > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > > > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > > > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > > > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > > > > correct > > > > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > > > > bring on > > > > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > > > > 4/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 " hello to whoever wrote this-- " My name is Marilina (italian) CIAO > > > > > > > > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > > > > messed up > > > > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > > > > from that > > > > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > > > > definite > > > > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > > > > muscular, > > > > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > > > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > > > > correlate > > > > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > > > > Hope that > > > > > helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > > > > > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@> > > > > > Subject: testosterone question > > > > > > > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > > > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > > > > with > > > > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > > > > this > > > > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > > > > little > > > > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > > > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > > > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > > > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > > > > correct > > > > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > > > > bring on > > > > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > > > > 4/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Hi Maurine, One possible explanation if you live in California and you did a hair analysis is that it's the external exposure of bath water. Most, possibly as many as all kids in California who do a hair analysis will show up high in uranium. There is a documented 110 foot pile of leaking uranium at the edge of the Colorado River and that goes through Las Vegas and ends up being used as 25% of the tap water mix in California. DWP does NOT test for uranium in the water... but you can figure out why. Ask Doctors Data or Great Plains Labs and they'll tell you that most of their kids from California are off the charts in uranium in the ahir. I've been told by a nuclear medicine researcher that the molecules are too large to get directly through the skin, so I've not done a whole house filter, but I would never cook with it or use it for drinking. This is why I strongly suggest " Drinking Water " or " Reverse Osmosis " water which filters heavy metals. If you decided to do a whole house filter the best option that I've seen is to ionize the water which also takes out metals and replaces them with salt molecules (basically making saline), then you use a Reverse Osmosis filter at your sink to get the salt out. A home system of this type is about $6,000 dollars to do it right. I was very tempted to do this, but I never did. The cheap sinktop or refridgerator filters just take out chlorine, but a Costco Rerverse osmosis filter will take out metals quite nicely for drinking. I use one for our school. Or, you can ask your water providor for " drinking water " (no floride, yes to added minerals if they have that option) and certainly NOT " spring water " ... or what we called it when we were growing up " Well Water. " If you look at the EPA's definition of Well Water and Spring water, they are practically the same. Spring water can NOT be filtered and it can NOT be callled drinking water because it is not verified as being drinkable. Drinking water if filtered down to be free of toxins to a particular molecular level. Most of our water is contaminated to some degree... regardless of what mountain you bore a hole into. - Stan > > > > > > > > > > We ended up seeing a Pediatric Endocrinologist because the lab > > > > messed up > > > > > (forgot a decimal), so my son's level showed up as 10x normal. So > > > > from that > > > > > visit I found out that if testosterone IS elevated, there will be > > > > definite > > > > > physical signs- hair growth, genital enlargement, and a more > > > > muscular, > > > > > strong child. I confirmed this with 3 doctors. > > > > > And I would think that the interest in private parts would not > > > > correlate > > > > > with LOW testosterone (at least it wouldn't in men, right? ) > > > > Hope that > > > > > helps, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 7 > > > > > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:03:03 -0000 > > > > > From: " sargeantdriscoll " <sargeantdriscoll@> > > > > > Subject: testosterone question > > > > > > > > > > did anyone at the conference know what was happening with the > > > > > testosterone levels are they normalizing going higher or lower > > > > with > > > > > the valtrex? and stan do you think there are any soft signs for > > > > this > > > > > issue like with virals the hypotonia etc.? just curious as my > > > > little > > > > > guy has found himself in a big way and does seem to have lots of > > > > > interest in exploring if you know what i mean. but he is a small > > > > > skinny child with doll like features and i always thought high > > > > > testosterone to be related to bigger manly type boys, please > > > > correct > > > > > me if i am wrong. or my other thought is can low testosterone > > > > bring on > > > > > the same intrest in private parts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: > > > > 4/16/2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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