Re: autism: sex as a therapy

[Guest guest]

just a little, but I wanted to take my opportunity to use the little I know!

Sara

" M. Guppy " <autismadvocate@...> wrote:

You speak French too Sara? My you amaze me!

sjcaldera wrote:

Notre souci n'est pas lié à la croyance religieuse. I don't think religion has

anything to do with it. Any parent of any religion or one that is not religious

would have some alarms go off when you speak about children or young people with

disabilities becoming sexually active.

Bienvenue vers les Etats-Unis d'Amérique!

Sincèrement.

Sara Caldera

Dr ph WATINE wrote:

Jack,

Maybe you are right, but I am not sure. Perhaps, what I have been

told about the USA is right: religious (christian) prejudices are

stronger in your country (particularly in the South) than in mine?

Joe

>

> Not trying to make excuses for anyone... but this is a French

Doctor... Maybe his wording and culture/values are different from us

Texans...

>

> Or maybe not.

>

> Jack

Texas Autism Advocacy

Unlocking Autism

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child with AUTISM.

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[Guest guest]

Not as therapy. Never as therapy. You open a world

of emotions. People with Autism have problems with

emotions most of the time, so his sexual experiences

should be limited to someone he has feelings for that

has the same feelings, otherwise your are opening a

world of emotions.

Candis

--- Dr ph WATINE <J.WATINE@...> wrote:

>

> Candis,

>

> my previous question was perhaps not clear

>

> let me try to clarify it

>

> my son, autist, 23 years old, is a " fanatic " of

> masturbation (some

> days he can ejaculate 10 times or more)

>

> he also looks at some (nice) girls in a way that

> suggests that he

> would easily " fall in love " with them (he usually

> does not look at

> all at people)

>

> he has hever had any sexual intercourse with anybody

> in his life

>

> thence my previous question

>

> another way of asking it would be: wouldn't it be

> good for my son if

> he could have sex with a girl of his taste? couldn't

> sexual

> intercourses help him " go outside of himself " ? has

> anyone here heard

> of, or has any experience in, sex as a therapeutic

> tool in autism?

>

> ph

>

>

> > 'Dr. ph " and the rest, Any licensed

> professional, like MYSELF

> knows that 'sex therapy' for anyone is illegal under

> the US law. IN

> my field we call that Pedophilia.

> > Candis

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would also weigh in with an observation that your

son, from your description of him as masterbating

10X a day, seems to have a problem with impulse control.

Introducing another person into the mix may take that

impulse control to a new, and probably, criminal level.

He may go from just satisfying himself, to attacking

another person to fulfil himself.

I would really encourage you to think about it from

the perspective of your son's potential partner. Unless

you intend on taking your son to a professional (also

illegal), that woman would want some sort of emotional

relationship. Is your son capable of that? Or would

he see that person as an object by which he satisfies

a physical need/desire.

If he is having trouble going outside of himself, maybe

he needs a pet (that he could care for, not that he could

relieve himself with) would be a better choice.

Also, you mentioned on one post that he was low functioning

(whatever that means). . . .could it be that he is bored?

Is he in a good day program? You know what they say. . .

" Idle handles are the devil's workshop. " or maybe they

don't have saying in French.

Re: Re: autism: sex as a therapy

Not as therapy. Never as therapy. You open a world

of emotions. People with Autism have problems with

emotions most of the time, so his sexual experiences

should be limited to someone he has feelings for that

has the same feelings, otherwise your are opening a

world of emotions.

Candis

--- Dr ph WATINE <J.WATINE@...> wrote:

>

> Candis,

>

> my previous question was perhaps not clear

>

> let me try to clarify it

>

> my son, autist, 23 years old, is a " fanatic " of

> masturbation (some

> days he can ejaculate 10 times or more)

>

> he also looks at some (nice) girls in a way that

> suggests that he

> would easily " fall in love " with them (he usually

> does not look at

> all at people)

>

> he has hever had any sexual intercourse with anybody

> in his life

>

> thence my previous question

>

> another way of asking it would be: wouldn't it be

> good for my son if

> he could have sex with a girl of his taste? couldn't

> sexual

> intercourses help him " go outside of himself " ? has

> anyone here heard

> of, or has any experience in, sex as a therapeutic

> tool in autism?

>

> ph

>

>

> > 'Dr. ph " and the rest, Any licensed

> professional, like MYSELF

> knows that 'sex therapy' for anyone is illegal under

> the US law. IN

> my field we call that Pedophilia.

> > Candis

>

>

>

>

>

Texas Autism Advocacy

Unlocking Autism

www.UnlockingAutism.org

Autism-Awareness-Action

Worldwide internet group for parents who have a

child with AUTISM.

SeekingJoyinDisability - Prayer support for those touched by Disability:

SeekingJoyinDisability/

[Guest guest]

This topic, as well as the thread about girls with autism, has reminded me

of something I heard last spring. I was at a seminar hosted by my school

district. They brought in a psychiatrist (Dr. Rosenberg) to talk about

pharmacological interventions for children with autism. One of the parents

mentioned that her 9 year old son was starting to go through puberty. Dr.

Rosenberg said that it might be possible to use medications to delay the

onset of puberty. In this particular case, he said the reason would be so

that the child would be closer to his adult size (I think he said something

like bone growth slows after puberty).

My child is 6, so I am praying that we have 6 or 7 years to get my son's

impulsiveness under control before we add sex drive to the list of our

challenges. Has anyone had experience using meds to delay the onset of

puberty? If so, what meds were used and what were the reasons for delaying

the onset of puberty?

Thanks,

Geraldine

Re: Re: autism: sex as a therapy

Notre souci n'est pas lié à la croyance religieuse. I don't think

religion has anything to do with it. Any parent of any religion or one

that is not religious would have some alarms go off when you speak about

children or young people with disabilities becoming sexually active.

Bienvenue vers les Etats-Unis d'Amérique!

Sincèrement.

Sara Caldera

Dr ph WATINE <J.WATINE@...> wrote:

Jack,

Maybe you are right, but I am not sure. Perhaps, what I have been

told about the USA is right: religious (christian) prejudices are

stronger in your country (particularly in the South) than in mine? Joe

>

> Not trying to make excuses for anyone... but this is a French

Doctor... Maybe his wording and culture/values are different from us

Texans...

>

> Or maybe not.

>

> Jack

Texas Autism Advocacy

Unlocking Autism

www.UnlockingAutism.org

Autism-Awareness-Action

Worldwide internet group for parents who have a

child with AUTISM.

SeekingJoyinDisability - Prayer support for those touched by Disability:

SeekingJoyinDisability/

[Guest guest]

her French seems to be good: there is only one mistake in her two

sentences. One would rather say: " Bienvenue aux Etats-Unis

d'Amérique! "

cheers

joe

>

> Jack,

> Maybe you are right, but I am not sure. Perhaps, what I have been

> told about the USA is right: religious (christian) prejudices are

> stronger in your country (particularly in the South) than in mine?

> Joe

[Guest guest]

her French seems to be good: there is only one mistake in her two

sentences. One would rather say: " Bienvenue aux Etats-Unis

d'Amérique! "

cheers

joe

>

> Jack,

> Maybe you are right, but I am not sure. Perhaps, what I have been

> told about the USA is right: religious (christian) prejudices are

> stronger in your country (particularly in the South) than in mine?

> Joe

[Guest guest]

hi Geraldine,

Dr Rosenberg was right to say that in this particular case, if the

onset of puberty was delayed, the child would not stop growing .

In the case of my son, I am more and more thinking about bringing

him to see prostitutes.

In my view, we have got a lot to learn about animals in these

matters.

Best wishes,

ph

> This topic, as well as the thread about girls with autism, has

reminded me of something I heard last spring. I was at a seminar

hosted by my school district. They brought in a psychiatrist (Dr.

Rosenberg) to talk aboutpharmacological interventions for children

with autism. One of the parents mentioned that her 9 year old son

was starting to go through puberty. Dr. Rosenberg said that it

might be possible to use medications to delay the onset of puberty.

In this particular case, he said the reason would be so that the

child would be closer to his adult size (I think he said something

like bone growth slows after puberty).

>

> My child is 6, so I am praying that we have 6 or 7 years to get my

son's impulsiveness under control before we add sex drive to the

list of our challenges. Has anyone had experience using meds to

delay the onset of puberty? If so, what meds were used and what

were the reasons for delaying the onset of puberty?

>

> Thanks,

> Geraldine

[Guest guest]

hi Geraldine,

Dr Rosenberg was right to say that in this particular case, if the

onset of puberty was delayed, the child would not stop growing .

In the case of my son, I am more and more thinking about bringing

him to see prostitutes.

In my view, we have got a lot to learn about animals in these

matters.

Best wishes,

ph

> This topic, as well as the thread about girls with autism, has

reminded me of something I heard last spring. I was at a seminar

hosted by my school district. They brought in a psychiatrist (Dr.

Rosenberg) to talk aboutpharmacological interventions for children

with autism. One of the parents mentioned that her 9 year old son

was starting to go through puberty. Dr. Rosenberg said that it

might be possible to use medications to delay the onset of puberty.

In this particular case, he said the reason would be so that the

child would be closer to his adult size (I think he said something

like bone growth slows after puberty).

>

> My child is 6, so I am praying that we have 6 or 7 years to get my

son's impulsiveness under control before we add sex drive to the

list of our challenges. Has anyone had experience using meds to

delay the onset of puberty? If so, what meds were used and what

were the reasons for delaying the onset of puberty?

>

> Thanks,

> Geraldine

[Guest guest]

thanks jeff,

I have written to jerry, and I am awating for an answer.

cheers,

joseph

> Hi ph:

> That is true--try e-mailing Jerry (he is a friend) and I hope

he could hook you up with more appropriate resources! Jerry's e-

mail address is wholphin48@h...

> Good luck

> Peacefully,

> Jeff Sell

> Vice Chair, Autism Society of America

> Chairman-ASA Government Relations Committee

> www.autism-society.org <http://www.autism-society.org/>

> JZSell@j...

> 832-731-3145 (cell)

> www.JZSLAW.com <http://www.jzslaw.com/>

[Guest guest]

thanks jeff,

I have written to jerry, and I am awating for an answer.

cheers,

joseph

> Hi ph:

> That is true--try e-mailing Jerry (he is a friend) and I hope

he could hook you up with more appropriate resources! Jerry's e-

mail address is wholphin48@h...

> Good luck

> Peacefully,

> Jeff Sell

> Vice Chair, Autism Society of America

> Chairman-ASA Government Relations Committee

> www.autism-society.org <http://www.autism-society.org/>

> JZSell@j...

> 832-731-3145 (cell)

> www.JZSLAW.com <http://www.jzslaw.com/>

[Guest guest]

Hi ph. On behalf of your son, I urge you not to do that. I think you

have received great advice , Jeff Sell, and . Please read

their posts again.

Geraldine

Re: autism: sex as a therapy

>

>

> hi Geraldine,

>

> Dr Rosenberg was right to say that in this particular case, if the

> onset of puberty was delayed, the child would not stop growing .

>

> In the case of my son, I am more and more thinking about bringing

> him to see prostitutes.

>

> In my view, we have got a lot to learn about animals in these

> matters.

>

> Best wishes,

> ph

>

>

>

> > This topic, as well as the thread about girls with autism, has

> reminded me of something I heard last spring. I was at a seminar

> hosted by my school district. They brought in a psychiatrist (Dr.

> Rosenberg) to talk aboutpharmacological interventions for children

> with autism. One of the parents mentioned that her 9 year old son

> was starting to go through puberty. Dr. Rosenberg said that it

> might be possible to use medications to delay the onset of puberty.

> In this particular case, he said the reason would be so that the

> child would be closer to his adult size (I think he said something

> like bone growth slows after puberty).

> >

> > My child is 6, so I am praying that we have 6 or 7 years to get my

> son's impulsiveness under control before we add sex drive to the

> list of our challenges. Has anyone had experience using meds to

> delay the onset of puberty? If so, what meds were used and what

> were the reasons for delaying the onset of puberty?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Geraldine

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Texas Autism Advocacy

>

>

> Unlocking Autism

> www.UnlockingAutism.org

>

> Autism-Awareness-Action

> Worldwide internet group for parents who have a

> child with AUTISM.

>

> SeekingJoyinDisability - Prayer support for those touched by Disability:

> SeekingJoyinDisability/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ph. On behalf of your son, I urge you not to do that. I think you

have received great advice , Jeff Sell, and . Please read

their posts again.

Geraldine

Re: autism: sex as a therapy

>

>

> hi Geraldine,

>

> Dr Rosenberg was right to say that in this particular case, if the

> onset of puberty was delayed, the child would not stop growing .

>

> In the case of my son, I am more and more thinking about bringing

> him to see prostitutes.

>

> In my view, we have got a lot to learn about animals in these

> matters.

>

> Best wishes,

> ph

>

>

>

> > This topic, as well as the thread about girls with autism, has

> reminded me of something I heard last spring. I was at a seminar

> hosted by my school district. They brought in a psychiatrist (Dr.

> Rosenberg) to talk aboutpharmacological interventions for children

> with autism. One of the parents mentioned that her 9 year old son

> was starting to go through puberty. Dr. Rosenberg said that it

> might be possible to use medications to delay the onset of puberty.

> In this particular case, he said the reason would be so that the

> child would be closer to his adult size (I think he said something

> like bone growth slows after puberty).

> >

> > My child is 6, so I am praying that we have 6 or 7 years to get my

> son's impulsiveness under control before we add sex drive to the

> list of our challenges. Has anyone had experience using meds to

> delay the onset of puberty? If so, what meds were used and what

> were the reasons for delaying the onset of puberty?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Geraldine

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Texas Autism Advocacy

>

>

> Unlocking Autism

> www.UnlockingAutism.org

>

> Autism-Awareness-Action

> Worldwide internet group for parents who have a

> child with AUTISM.

>

> SeekingJoyinDisability - Prayer support for those touched by Disability:

> SeekingJoyinDisability/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Missy Feldhaus wrote:

> That's pretty much what I was going to say as well Kay.Promiscuity is

> common with people with autism and it's the stim they are after, not

> necessarily the physical contact with a person.

> MISSY

As an autistic, I would like to see statistics to show that this is

true before making that assumption.

True, it " makes sense " that a person who has trouble identifying with

other people would be poor at making choices of whom to relate to

intimately, but I suspect that more autistics are lifelong celibates

(due to not knowing how to " connect appropriately " ) than are

promiscuous.

I would like to set up a panel discussion on sexuality and autism at

the coming Conference February 4th and 5th by the Autism Society and

Spectrum in Gwinnett. Speakers on this subject who have autism are

hard to find. If anyone has suggestions, please send them to me.

Patty

http://www.autistics.cc

http://www.asaga.com

[Guest guest]

My son is 15 and this is one of the hardest phases we have been through. I don't have any suggestions for you, but for us I guess I would try everything I could think of before I

try sex for hire, because you might create a monster with that or an expensive habit.

For all of the moms that this is an inappropriate conversation, just remember it could happen to you one day and I hope you have someone to talk to.

Dr ph WATINE <J.WATINE@...> wrote:

hello,has anyone heard of, or has any experience in, sex as a therapeutictool in autism?many thanks,joseph__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Not only is this sick and in appropriate. It's against the law and a federal crime over the internet reportable to the FBI. Dealing with autism is tough enough but having twisted individuals resort to unorthodox methods is insane. I pray the child in your care is not victimized over your foolishness. <jdsnas2b@...> wrote:

My son is 15 and this is one of the hardest phases we have been through. I don't have any suggestions for you, but for us I guess I would try everything I could think of before I

try sex for hire, because you might create a monster with that or an expensive habit.

For all of the moms that this is an inappropriate conversation, just remember it could happen to you one day and I hope you have someone to talk to.

Dr ph WATINE <J.WATINE@...> wrote:

hello,has anyone heard of, or has any experience in, sex as a therapeutictool in autism?many thanks,joseph

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Please end this discussion AND the discussion of whether or not we SHOULD be

discussing it!!! IF you would like to discuss it further please join the group

that Patty moderates for adults with autism. There is nothing further that

needs to be said on this subject.

Addams

Moderator/autism

[Guest guest]

A. The doctor's son is an adult.

B. Asking questions about what might help the son have less misery in

his life is not against the law.

C. For all I know, the option the Dr. is considering is legal where he

lives.

D. Just as autism is a different way of " being, " living in France is a

different culture that we in Georgia do not automatically understand

everything about.

E. The Dr. is not responsible for the care of the autistic adults. He

is questioning his former wife's handling of the autistic young man's

life. If I were him " I " would be questioning it also.

F. Not all autistics are children. People spend 60 pcent or so of

their lives as adults, and that doesn't change for people with autism.

People with adult children affected by autism, in my humble opinion,

have as much right to ask about the problems of their children as do the

parents of younger children.

In an ongoing conversation on another list, Dr. Watine has answered

questions about the situation, and been given many suggestions, NONE of

which supported his original thought about how to help the young man.

Communication of this sort (a support group) exists to help us find the

most helpful ways to deal with autism in ourselves, our children, and

those that other people care about. When we shut off communication

because we don't like the question, we are closing the door to

improvement in at least one person's life -- maybe that of a whole family.

Patty

http://www.autistics.cc

karen beauvais wrote:

> Not only is this sick and in appropriate. It's against the law and a

> federal crime over the internet reportable to the FBI. Dealing with

> autism is tough enough but having twisted individuals resort to

> unorthodox methods is insane. I pray the child in your care is not

> victimized over your foolishness.

>

> */ <jdsnas2b@...>/* wrote:

>

> My son is 15 and this is one of the hardest phases we have been

> through. I don't have any suggestions for you, but for us I guess I

> would try everything I could think of before I

> try sex for hire, because you might create a monster with that or an

> expensive habit.

> For all of the moms that this is an inappropriate conversation, just

> remember it could happen to you one day and I hope you have someone

> to talk to.

>

>

> */Dr ph WATINE <J.WATINE@...>/* wrote:

>

>

> hello,

>

> has anyone heard of, or has any experience in, sex as a therapeutic

> tool in autism?

>

> many thanks,

>

> joseph

> ___

[Guest guest]

Patty:

AMEN!

" E. "

<patriciaeclark@...>

11/30/2004 09:34 AM

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Re: autism:

sex as a therapy

A. The doctor's son is an adult.

B. Asking questions about what might help the son have less misery

in

his life is not against the law.

C. For all I know, the option the Dr. is considering is legal where

he

lives.

D. Just as autism is a different way of " being, " living

in France is a

different culture that we in Georgia do not automatically understand

everything about.

E. The Dr. is not responsible for the care of the autistic adults.

He

is questioning his former wife's handling of the autistic young man's

life. If I were him " I " would be questioning it also.

F. Not all autistics are children. People spend 60 pcent or

so of

their lives as adults, and that doesn't change for people with autism.

People with adult children affected by autism, in my humble opinion,

have as much right to ask about the problems of their children as do the

parents of younger children.

In an ongoing conversation on another list, Dr. Watine has answered

questions about the situation, and been given many suggestions, NONE of

which supported his original thought about how to help the young man.

Communication of this sort (a support group) exists to help us find the

most helpful ways to deal with autism in ourselves, our children, and

those that other people care about. When we shut off communication

because we don't like the question, we are closing the door to

improvement in at least one person's life -- maybe that of a whole family.

Patty

http://www.autistics.cc

karen beauvais wrote:

> Not only is this sick and in appropriate. It's against the law and

a

> federal crime over the internet reportable to the FBI. Dealing with

> autism is tough enough but having twisted individuals resort to

> unorthodox methods is insane. I pray the child in your care is not

> victimized over your foolishness.

>

> */ <jdsnas2b@...>/* wrote:

>

> My son is 15 and this is one of the hardest phases we

have been

> through. I don't have any suggestions for you, but for

us I guess I

> would try everything I could think of before I

> try sex for hire, because you might create a monster

with that or an

> expensive habit.

> For all of the moms that this is an inappropriate conversation,

just

> remember it could happen to you one day and I hope you

have someone

> to talk to.

>

>

> */Dr ph WATINE <J.WATINE@...>/* wrote:

>

>

> hello,

>

> has anyone heard of, or has any experience

in, sex as a therapeutic

> tool in autism?

>

> many thanks,

>

> joseph

> ___