Chicken Pox

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Robbie had the chicken pox about a year and a half ago. He did

not have them bad, my then 16 year old daughter had them terrible

at the same time. Jana

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,

I don't believe there really are many adults who have had

chicken pox after the vaccine. It's a little too new, and most

people who have had the vaccine...aren't adults yet!

However, if an adult were going to get chicken pox somehow,

I don't belive that having had the vaccine some 20+

years earlier would be protective. I don't believe this

vaccine confers immunity that long...unlike actually having

the disease, which usually confers lifetime immunity.

I suppose there might be adults out there who might have

received the vaccine *as adults* and later got the disease.

I'm not sure there are too many of them, though.

Chicken pox can be a much more serious disease for most

adults than for children, which is what probably creates

the controvery. *Should* this disease be (possibly)

delayed until adulthood, or is it better to just have it in childhood?

If a vaccine has a 30% failure rate, but the pediatrician

refuses to order a titer to determine if a particular child is

one of the 30%, I don't how she can simultaneously make

a good argument that your child MUST get the vaccine,

because 30% of her patients MUST get something they

did not get. Makes no sense. If she was willing to offer

a titer, she could have a consistent argument.

We chose not to have the vaccine.

J

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Our son (6) escaped the mandatory Chicken Pox vaccination - but we are

concerned should he get it.

Our daughter (3) (non ) had the vaccination before we knew what we now

know - she is OK though.

My father recently had Shingles - (aged 77) which I understand is the same

virus (Herpes Zoster) as Chicken Pox, and reappearing usually later in life

as Shingles if you have had Chicken Pox before - treatment - FamVir!

Do we know if vaccinated children might get shingles later in life?

Chicken pox

I was just wondering, with all the recent posts about your children

starting autistic behaviors after having the chicken pox or the vaccine,

how everyone feels about the vaccine. My two older kids had the chicken

pox and did ok. Now I am faced with the decision to vaccinate my 18

month old or not. Her pediatrician is very adamant about doing it and

spent 15 minutes arguing with me. He didn't seem thrilled when I pointed

out that it only has a 70% effective rate. Also, he said they don't run

titers later on to see if your child is part of the 30% who aren't

protected by the vaccine. This seems moronic to me - 30% of our kids

could get the chicken pox as adults and that is acceptable? I know they

claim these kids get a milder version of the disease, but isn't it pretty

serious as an adult? What is a mild adult version? The doctor didn't

know how adults fared if they got the chicken pox after receiving the

vaccine. Anybody know? We're taking my daughter's vaccines slowly, so I

have awhile before I would even do the chicken pox vaccine, but I'm sure

her pediatrician will be discussing this again and I wondered if anyone

had any advise and information so I can go in there informed. THANKS!!

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In a message dated 10/4/2001 8:35:03 AM Central Daylight Time,

pappadia@... writes:

> Her pediatrician is very adamant about doing it and

> spent 15 minutes arguing with me.

Her pediatrician is NOT her parent. He doesn't get a vote. The decision is

yours. Fire your pediatrician if you have to.

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Is it possible to get titers checked for chicken pox? We have checked all my

son's other titers, but since we feel that his autism or manifested

itself shortly after receiving that vaccine, I would like to have it checked.

Thanks,

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Yes, you can get a titer for chicken pox.

It's called a Varicella titer.

J

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- All three of my kids had the chicken pox. My middle daughter,

the " autistic? " one got them the worst. Just covered. They all came

through just fine, with lots of baths. I would tell your doctor that you

are putting it off for now. My opinion is this vaccine was made because

parents lost days of work because their children were sick - especially when

one gets it and then another one gets it a week later and then the third

one.... See what I mean. Lots of sick days from work. 70% effective rate

and they don't even know HOW LONG it is effective. Baloney. That's my

opinion. Good luck.

Jill

Chicken pox

> I was just wondering, with all the recent posts about your children

> starting autistic behaviors after having the chicken pox or the vaccine,

> how everyone feels about the vaccine. My two older kids had the chicken

> pox and did ok. Now I am faced with the decision to vaccinate my 18

> month old or not. Her pediatrician is very adamant about doing it and

> spent 15 minutes arguing with me. He didn't seem thrilled when I pointed

> out that it only has a 70% effective rate. Also, he said they don't run

> titers later on to see if your child is part of the 30% who aren't

> protected by the vaccine. This seems moronic to me - 30% of our kids

> could get the chicken pox as adults and that is acceptable? I know they

> claim these kids get a milder version of the disease, but isn't it pretty

> serious as an adult? What is a mild adult version? The doctor didn't

> know how adults fared if they got the chicken pox after receiving the

> vaccine. Anybody know? We're taking my daughter's vaccines slowly, so I

> have awhile before I would even do the chicken pox vaccine, but I'm sure

> her pediatrician will be discussing this again and I wondered if anyone

> had any advise and information so I can go in there informed. THANKS!!

>

>

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Doris,

I do agree except in the few cases of adults who are immunocompromised or

who live with children who are immunocompromised. Kathy -NNY

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I haven't come into contact with anyone who has had chickenpox or any

other disease that I *know* of but I do make it a HABIT to wash my

hands constantly and stay away from people I know for sure aren't

feeling well. If my son comes home from school with something that's

going around then I will probably worry a little though! Funny thing

though is that we had a stomach virus going around here last week and

me, my husband and two sons had it and they got it worse than I did

even with my immune system compromised from the Prednisone... go

figure! LOL

Best Wishes,

> There is a possibility that Chicken Pox is making the rounds in

school already. I was able to avoid coming in contact with the kids

last year, but just get that fear factor when thinking of having to

avoid it this year. My question.....how have any of you avoided the

contamination of diseases while on prednisone?

> Debby

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> Hi to all,

>

> Remember the discussions on the vaccine for the chicken pox? I

with held my opinion, because i was so against it. I was forced to

get my daughter the vaccine if i wanted to send her to school. State

Law now. Well guess what. I woke up this morning with these

wonderful red dots all over my body. They are not hives. They also

only itch a little right now. I called the school nurse to ask her

if they were going around, she said no, she also told me that I could

have caught them from my daughter because of the vaccine, live

virus. So here I sit 44 y/o with possible chicken pox. So not

cool. She told me to get in the shower to see if more would come

out. well yep more have appeared. I'm now on my way to get some

benadryl and bundle myself up to see what happens. Barb

{{Barb}} You poor thing! How did you get to age 44 without having

the chicken pox? I thought it was mandatory! lol. With a live

virus, why didn't you get the vaccine too? Yeah, yeah, hindsight...I

know, shut up Roxanna....scratch...scratch...scratch....

I hope you feel better soon and that this is short lived!

I actually had the chicken pox 3 times as a child. I apparently

never got it " bad enough " to really not get it again. I worried I

would get it yet again but my oldest dd got it at age 3 and I didn't

catch it from her. So I feel all fixed! <g> Hang in there!!

Roxanna

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Barb

OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's awful. Boy - i would be soooooo pissed!!!!!!!!

I bet you are.

I hope you feel better soon.

Take care of yourself

Dawn

Hi to all,

Remember the discussions on the vaccine for the chicken pox? I with held my

opinion, because i was so against it. I was forced to get my daughter the

vaccine if i wanted to send her to school. State Law now. Well guess what. I

woke up this morning with these wonderful red dots all over my body. They

are not hives. They also only itch a little right now. I called the school

nurse to ask her if they were going around, she said no, she also told me

that I could have caught them from my daughter because of the vaccine, live

virus. So here I sit 44 y/o with possible chicken pox. So not cool. She told

me to get in the shower to see if more would come out. well yep more have

appeared. I'm now on my way to get some benadryl and bundle myself up to see

what happens. Barb

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Barb,

Oatmeal baths work better than Benedryl. (((((((((HUGS)))))))))))). Feel

better.

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Barb,

Yikes! Sorry to hear about this. But you know what I'd do? Go up to the

school. Let them squawk about you being there, look them straight in the

eye and say " it shouldn't be a problem that I am here.... everyone has been

vacinated from this and there should be nothing going around! " hahaha

> Hi to all,

>

> Remember the discussions on the vaccine for the chicken pox? I with held

my opinion, because i was so against it. I was forced to get my daughter

the vaccine if i wanted to send her to school. State Law now. Well guess

what. I woke up this morning with these wonderful red dots all over my

body. They are not hives. They also only itch a little right now. I

called the school nurse to ask her if they were going around, she said no,

she also told me that I could have caught them from my daughter because of

the vaccine, live virus. So here I sit 44 y/o with possible chicken pox.

So not cool. She told me to get in the shower to see if more would come

out. well yep more have appeared. I'm now on my way to get some benadryl

and bundle myself up to see what happens. Barb

>

[Guest guest]

I agree, Barb, and there are also oatmeal creams!

F

Re: ( ) Re: Chicken Pox

Barb,

Oatmeal baths work better than Benedryl. (((((((((HUGS)))))))))))). Feel

better.

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They're dangerous in adults

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Allie had chicken pox at nine mos and was given a hep B vax while

still crusted over. This is when she regressed into autism. I've

wondered what role the chicken pox may have played, but really think

the hepB was what pushed her little body over the edge. <sigh> if

only I knew then what I know now....

Debi

> Have any of your children had chicken pox? Both of my children had

> it.

>

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Hi Debi,

My son Colin had the chicken pox disease at he age of two. He had also been on

antibiotics (many) for ear infections, on steroids for asthma (dairy allergy

-once off dairy cleared up the asthma), and after he had the chicken pox lost

all language etc. (two word sentences). Really feel that the combination of

all of these things with mercury at the core contributed to Autism. Up to six

months after the chicken pox we completely lost him. (Laughing inapprpriately,

stimming...etc. ) You may be right that the chicken pox contributed to your

child's Autism. Just my two cents....Kathy

Debi <fightingautism@...> wrote:

Allie had chicken pox at nine mos and was given a hep B vax while

still crusted over. This is when she regressed into autism. I've

wondered what role the chicken pox may have played, but really think

the hepB was what pushed her little body over the edge. if

only I knew then what I know now....

Debi

> Have any of your children had chicken pox? Both of my children had

> it.

>

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My daughter regressed immediately after her chicken pox vaccination.

I was such a " good " mom...not missing any vaccinations... *eyeball

roll*

> Have any of your children had chicken pox? Both of my children had

> it.

>

> My handicapped son did get very sick and was hospitalized for one

> day for dehydration. Thank God they did not try to give him any

> drugs to get rid of his chicken pox.

>

> I would rather him have chicken pox then take a vaccine and have

> shingles later on! Or have a severe reaction from all the garbage

> they load in this vaccine!

>

>

> Donna

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The recent discussion on chicken pox brings to mind something I've been

wondering about. I contracted chicken pox when I was only 3 months old and had a

very serious case. I know it's rare for infants to get them and I often wonder

if this had some permanent effect leading to my auto immune disease and thymic

cancer (also autoimmune related). My small pox vaccination was delayed until I

was a year old because of this, but even still I had a reaction to it.

I don't know if it's relevant but if anyone else had any unusual childhood

illnesses it might be interesting to compare notes.

Regards

Elaine

Long Island NY

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Elaine, my son was only 3

months when he developed Chicken pox…BUT he only had 5 spots…but

they were big enough so he had a good enough case to immunize him. We had him drink after our daughter when she

was 2 and was ONE complete chicken pox.

Bless her little heart. But he

didn’t get another infection of the pox.

For me…the incubation period has come and gone and it appears that

I am free of shingles, etc. It made my

day for this to come and go! Anyway, now

the kids are passing around the stomach flu.

Think I will pass on that one too!

Debby

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Chicken pox

The recent discussion on chicken pox brings to mind

something I've been wondering about. I contracted chicken pox when I was only 3

months old and had a very serious case. I know it's rare for infants to get

them and I often wonder if this had some permanent effect leading to my auto

immune disease and thymic cancer (also autoimmune related). My small pox

vaccination was delayed until I was a year old because of this, but even still

I had a reaction to it.

I don't know if it's relevant but if anyone else

had any unusual childhood illnesses it might be interesting to compare notes.

Regards

Elaine

Long Island NY

[Guest guest]

Well of course, all those depressed immune systems! Course if the numbers go

up, then the health departments will push for more flu shots next year!

GRRRRRR!!!!!

Barb

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> When my son had chicken pox he did get dehydrated and landed up

> being hospitalized to get fluids in him. He has major swallowing

> issues and is on a pureed diet, when he is sick he will completely

> refuse all liquids. He was fine after he was rehydrated. So push the

> liquids!!

>

> There is a FLU epidemic at my sons school,(BIG sign on the front

> door warning everyone) ALL of the kids are severely/profoundly

> disabled and had the flu vaccine, except my little guy. And he

> hasnt caught it yet!!!

>

> Donna

>

>

>

>

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>>

>> There is a chicken pox epidemic at my son's school. And

> amazingly (not

>> really:)), all of these kids with chicken pox have received the

> chicken pox

>> vaccine! Does chicken pox put ASD kids at risk for regression?

> What should I do

>> now (before my son has chicken pox) to prepare his body? And

> what should I

>> do for him when he has chicken pox? I'm happy for my boys to

> have a chance to

>> get chicken pox at a young age, but I'm also concerned that it

> could cause

>> my son to regress. Thanks for all help!

>>

>>

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>

> There is a chicken pox epidemic at my son's school. And amazingly

(not

> really:)), all of these kids with chicken pox have received the

chicken pox

> vaccine! Does chicken pox put ASD kids at risk for regression?

Yes, it can. Give vitamin A and anti-virals. Perhaps lysine also.

Dana

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Chicken pox is a virus so I would give antivirals like olive leaf extract, and

lots of vitamin C. Milk thistle would maybe merit use as the liver is going to

be busy processing all those viral cells. Good Luck!!! With all the antivirals

and vitamins, watch your unvaccinated kids will be the only ones who don't get

it!!!

JLJukoski@... wrote:

There is a chicken pox epidemic at my son's school. And amazingly (not

really:)), all of these kids with chicken pox have received the chicken pox

vaccine! Does chicken pox put ASD kids at risk for regression? What should I

do

now (before my son has chicken pox) to prepare his body? And what should I

do for him when he has chicken pox? I'm happy for my boys to have a chance to

get chicken pox at a young age, but I'm also concerned that it could cause

my son to regress. Thanks for all help!

[Guest guest]

I wonder about olive leaf extract as well. Also since his liver will be

processing many additional toxins milk thistle might help keep that going. What

about vitamin C?

Is he vaccinated? Where do you live???!! I have two that aren't vaccinated!!

Going with the antivirals he should come through this just fine. Will be

thinking about him and hoping he gets better quick!!!

JLJukoski@... wrote:

As of tonight, my 4 year old NT son has chicken pox. He is currently doing

a natural yeast protocol which includes Kapricydin A, Uva Ursi, Biocidin, and

a bunch of probiotics. Is there a reason I should stop the yeast protocol

during his bout with chicken pox? For chicken pox, our DAN! has recommended

treating with Monolaurin, L-lysine, and IP6. Any thoughts on that? Any

experience with that or other treatments for chicken pox? Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . We live in Houston, TX. We don't know anyone with

chicken pox. Our DAN! says that there is a lot of chicken pox going

around nationwide. My son is not vaccinated - that is why he is NT.

MY ASD son IS vaccinated, but that is of course not 100%.

> As of tonight, my 4 year old NT son has chicken pox. He is

currently doing

> a natural yeast protocol which includes Kapricydin A, Uva Ursi,

Biocidin, and

> a bunch of probiotics. Is there a reason I should stop the yeast

protocol

> during his bout with chicken pox? For chicken pox, our DAN! has

recommended

> treating with Monolaurin, L-lysine, and IP6. Any thoughts on

that? Any

> experience with that or other treatments for chicken pox? Thanks!

>

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