Bob

[Guest guest]

Becca:

Yeah, I know what you mean. But hey, it's worth it. When I wanted

to get some SFIC I looked at the cost of the sampler and

shipping and said the heck with it. I had spoken to them and they

said if you order 1,000 pounds shipping dropped dramatically.

When I called to order, I was interested in getting some of the

different types but someone said you can do your own additives

cheaply and easily. So I spoke to them about the different types

and they said that clear and opaque were their best sellers, so I

bought a pallet. I had plans of selling it but now WSP is selling it

cheap. Who cares? I have enough to get me through the

holidays and then some.

Upon working with it I noticed immediately the difference. With

the chemical junk WSP sells my fingers cracked around the

nails and seeing I plow when salt got in there...well you know.

OUCH. And that junk took a horrible toll on my skin too.

When I sell it retail I just explain that all my glycerine bars are

made from all natural glycerine which rinses clean and feels

great on your skin. It helps sales a lot. And the cost difference

per bar is what? Pennies?

Bob

> I haven't ever used SFIC base, and am loving how nice this

soap is ; ) I

> know I don't cut corners with soap supplies nor EOs. I wish I

were a bit more

> conservative with cost, but darn I love these EOs too;

unfortunately, or

> fortunately, I just happen to love Sandalwood and Rose Otto.

Do I have a bank account

> ??? Just barely, LOL!!!!! I do love your soap, and thank you for

this

> wonderful contribution!!!!!!!!

> Huggs, Bekka

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

Sorry, I've been travelling and such.

Illegal to use vodka for a tincture? I have now switched to

as it covers up the herbaciousness and it covers up the green

color from the herbs too.

Gee, I know several folks who make tinctures and all use

consumable alcohol...ya kind of have to. Any idea WHY it's

illegal?

Bob

> > , it's Everclear that is illegal to purchase in NYS. Pure

> > alcohol...that's why you substitute Vodka. btw, the Raspberry

is

> > kind of nice...

> >

> > , your petals are very pretty. I dry mine on a cake

cooling

> > rack. They are a pain to do but they sell well. Just wish they

> > dried faster.

> >

> > Jeanine

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bob what do you know about these oral protease inhibators soon to be

released by Vertex or Viragen or lilly or schering Plaugh,you seem

to know alot, go to google and see what you make of these meds,

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bob, you are a sweetheart and I appreciate the compliment! I haven't posted alot lately, just been on the quiet side...but today felt like coming out of my shell.

Take care of yourself,

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan,

You did mention your maiden name was Fisher and we decided there were no family ties however. bfJanet <jfw4359@...> wrote:

Bob did I ever tell you that Fisher was my family name?? Look at the F in my sn..It stands for Fisher..Raised in the south all my life too..Toby may be country but weez cajuns down here!! LOL

Bob <mellowcargo2003@...> wrote:

Jan Toby 's cd is shock'n y'all. can't get more country than toby lol. bob (fisher)Janet <jfw4359@...> wrote:

Sharon.Ole Floyd stays in a bad mood so I can relate or he goes on these mess up everything stages! Oh I hate that..He moves everything and then expects ME to find it!!! Duhhhhhhh I can barely remember my own stuff and I'm not even on TX..Thankgoodness I'm not or I would lose myself..LOL..Oh and it is yall down here!!!! Not ya'll..Dave needs to move back down south..LOL..He forgot his southern slang!!

Sharon Zeis <szeis_1@...> wrote:

We'll excuse you Dave. I know "you guys" is the same as our ya'll. The rain has been pretty steady around here. I have a rash that I thought was nerves until one of the kids has it too. We went to the dr. and she thinks it's pityriasis rosea. Not very contagious but itchy and annoying. The best part is it goes away by itself in about 6 - 12 weeks. That's just great. I can't sleep because I'm so itchy. Then I take benadryl to get through the day. I'm a walking zombie. And saying Greg is in a bad mood is like saying it's a little cool in Antarctica. The last time he got laid off I was still drinking. I'm just laying low. Work is good though. Okay, thanks for letting me vent, again.

SharonDave <dhz920@...> wrote:

I see our friends in Texas and Louisianna have been getting hit pretty hard, weather-wise. We've been getting it up north here, too. The tornado sirens were going off last night, though I don't think any touched down. How're you guys managing?

ps. As a trivial question, when I say "you guys", I don't consider that gender specific. Am I wrong? I know most of our southerners are female. Am I politically incorrect? or just a yankee redneck... -dz-

a Bridges <pukingpsychoprincess@...> wrote:

Well Howdy Sharon!!! aSharon Zeis <szeis_1@...> wrote:

I'm in Houston. We're practically neighbors.

Sharona Bridges <pukingpsychoprincess@...> wrote:

Janet, I live in Amarillo, Tx; Sounds like you've got a fun sense of humor as well; Mine can be warped at times; Because "I ain't right!."; Just wish I didn't feel as tired as I do. Keep in touch a(P-3)Janet <jfw4359@...> wrote:

P-3 you are more than welcome here! You gave me such a good laugh this morning..Honesty can be humorus at times can't it?? Ya know like many of us I have led a hard life but one of my freinds I went to school with (and hadn't seen in 31 years) found me on line a coupleof years ago..Well he and I talk alot..I was telling him how life was too short to be unhappy in it..Now I give good advice but do no tlisten to myself..Lots of us do that..Anyway yesterday he came over and said get in we are going for a ride..I gave him the CRAZY LOOK and doneit..He brought me back where I was raised..He made me laugh..Reallty laugh..It was the best clean honest fun I have had in many years..We both would say ok here is somethign I have to be honest about regardless if it was embrassing or not..Now remember we are both married to others..No this is not any type of relationship that people would frown on but one

someone should be so happy to share..I have never laughed so hard nor cried so much in one day..For the first timein years I coul dbe the real me..It was great..You are a trooper..You'll win this fight!! If not you haven't lost it either..You are just doing battle..PLEASE keep in touch because yousure brightened my day already!! Hey where are you from again??? I am from Louisiana..

a <pukingpsychoprincess@...> wrote: I am on my 6th week of tx. I am taking Pegasys and Copegus. It has been rough the last 3 mos. I got Hep C at age 12. I had ITP as a child and received numerous platelet transfusions. Of course this was in the early 80's before there was testing of blood and blood products. I had always assumed the virus was not active as I felt healthy and fit. Over the last year I began exhibiting a lot of gastrointestinal problems, fatigue, and depression. I am a psych nurse and of course as a nurse, I rarely go the doctor. I've had labs drawn in the past for minor medical issues and always noticed my LFT's were slightly elevated, but no doctor seemed to worry about this. As my sx continued to worsen, a close friend who is also a Psychiatrist I work with became concerned. Together we figured it out. My Hep was active. I

felt like a tornado had hit me. things were progressing so fast and I felt very much out of control: finding a good, likeable, and caring MD; blood test after blood test; then the liver biopsy; results were not good; I am at a stage 3 with level 1 inflamation; No wonder I felt like crap; then came the anger. "Why me?"; I don't drink; I don't use drugs; I've been married for over 15 years; "Have my children and husband contracted this disease?"; I'm now in the phase of cleaning up the mess of this tornado. I have a good doc. My family tested negative. I immediately started anti-depressant before starting tx for hep;at times I get angry, but then I think, "Is it worth the energy."; treatment has been rough, but I'm a trooper. It's ironic that starting tx has made me re-evaluate my life. I used to be a control freak and workaholic, working 80+ hrs a week. It has been a humbling experience as well; I realize I

cannot be "wonder woman"; Striving for perfection is stressful and unreachable; I want simplicity in my life now; I now go to the grocery store in PJ's and no make-up; I take time for myself and family; You begin to realize what is important in your life; relationships have improved; my husband and I are cuddling and holding hands again; we actually enjoy spending time together. we talk, we laugh and we cry together; My teenage son now comforts, offering me a cold rag and rubbing my back as I'm hugging the toilet. This is the son I almost forgot I had as I barely saw him before tx; my daughter and I eat lunch together, talking for hours and laughing until our bellys hurt; I'm also teaching her to drive. By the way, I have fiqured out why they put those handles in on the passenger side of trucks. I call them "Oh Shit!"handles; They are like those stress balls you can squeeze when things are stressful; I clutch them as she's

driving,thinking "Oh shit"; I rarely watch TV now; I prefer to spend my evenings on the patio with a good book or just looking at the stars; I turn off my home phone, cell phone and pager at times for quiet time; I can say "No" now; I have learned the art of "delegation"; It's been hard to give up control; people just don't do things the way I would, but their way works; Things don't bother me as much; I don't bitch as much; It doesn't bother me to see my husband's dirty socks on the couch, the house isn't always clean, I accept help now; I let my sister in law come over and help clean; I eat more chocolate(it really does work for mild nausea or that unpleasant taste in your mouth from the meds); I've lost 70 lbs; By the time treatment is over, My daughter and I will be sharing clothes. Isn't that cool? I do get tired a lot, but I actually will stop and rest now. I could care less about buying new cars; I don't try to

"compete with the Jone's" anymore; Even though the tx has been costly, we have more money in our account. I've been honest with friends, family and co-workers about my illness; I now educate the patients I see about transmission of Hep C and how to get treatment; Last week I had a rough night, uncontrollable nausea and vomiting; I had to go to the ER I work in; They started an IV and gave me Phenergan; Phenergan is not for me; It made me loopy as hell; I told the ED doc he had a nice package; I told my daughter to be careful crossing the street in the ER room and to put the Bratwursts on the grill; I even tried to streak down the middle of the ER with just holding my IV bag; how many secrets I revealed is unknown, but you know what, "I don't care.": I finally got to go home; The ED doc and nursing staff called me the next day to ask how I was; When I returned to work, they have decided to call me the "puking psychotic

princess" aka P-3; We all laughed about my experience; Now I can relate to the psychotic pt's I see in the ER.; I understand this road is long and very tiring, but I am hopeful. I don't know anyone else going through this, but would like someone to chat with when things are rough or questions pop up that only someone going through treatment could answer. I'm trying to avoid reading so much about the illness and meds; It just scares me. I would like to be part of this group. P-3

Jan

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[Guest guest]

" I'm interested in the 'stuff' to make more. "

ME, TOO!

Bob

Thanks for checking out the mold I made. I was so excited!!!! Yes,

more detail on the 'clone' than on the original, at least in the

picture.

I'm interested in the 'stuff' to make more.

Jeanine

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/13/2004 5:18:26 PM Alaskan Daylight Time,

nucleus24@... writes:

> So ease up, kiddo. Nothing wrong with being a pastry chef.

I agree.. this is a real artist.. I would give anything to add such a

credential to my repertoire.. There is a wonderful school in Seattle where

people

spend big money to learn how to be fine chefs in some of the worlds best

restaurants and eateries..

I had an RN friend who left a nursing career to go to this school and she was

far happier in her new career than in her old one.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Good to hear from you. Keep in touch.

De

Faith is the ability to not panic.

Re: Digest Number 755

Hi! Everyone!

Just wanted to let everyone know that I am fine !!! And I will be in touch

soon!!!

[Guest guest]

Bob, so very glad to hear that you are doing well...on behalf of the women in the group, I want to say that you are doin' all the right things!! New hips, new difibrillator, "new money"...you won't be single for long if you keep this up!! Seriously, its wonderful to hear that you are so well--please keep in touch ...and try to behave!

My best wishes and good thoughts to everyone else on the list, hope this finds you all happy and healthy (as can be)...

love,

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob

Thanks for that valuable info. So here's a question. I have a small

amount of " Chromium Oxide Yellow " . Do you know whether that will bleed?

I think the only time I used it was in a solid colored soap and the only

notation I put on the bag was that I should dissolve it in a little

water first (I must have had a problem getting it to mix in well in my

M & P without leaving darker dots of undisolved colorant).

Re: Yellow Colorant - WSP

Hi Colleen:

I tend to use TKB. They were pretty good about explaining why stuff

bleeds.

Basically a dye will follow water eventually no matter what as they're

water

based. So using a dye in clear embeds is a no-no as in time, it'll bleed

into the

surrounding soap. I have some old samples I've done and eventually they

do

bleed.

Dyes are water based but pigments are not. Too much heat and a pigment

will bleed too though, so watch your temps.

www.tkbtrading. com

Bob

>

> > Yes, I have, Colleen. What did you want to know about it? It's a

> nice yellow, but it will bleed, if that's a concern.

>

>

> Which one did you use Beth? Bleeding isn't a concern as I only use it

> for my ducks.

>

> Have you used any of their other liquid colorants?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Colleen

> Handcrafted & Decorative Soaps

> http://www.countrymeadowcreations.com

> Kat's Coffees & More Consultant #0892

[Guest guest]

Hi :

That sounds like either a pigment or better yet a Mica. But hey, I'm no chemist.

They shouldn't " bleed " but like I said in the other message, if they're too hot

they will melt and run.

Among other things, I do M & P column (or tube) imbeds. If you fix your column

imbed at the base and pour hot soap around them, (I use plexiglass vertical

loaf molds) then I make it a point to keep the surrounding base as cool as

possible, say maybe 120 (130 tops) if I have time to let it cool that much. That

way it won't glob while you're pouring. Much warmer than that and you're

risking melting the imbed. Then you'll see it whisp out into the base after

you've cut your bars.

I have had the mixing problems, both with dyes and pigments but mostly with

dyes. You don't want to use too much water. With dyes I have had reds turn

iridescent when they get dropped into too hot a base. Then you try to dilute

them and you get specks. The only thing that will save it is dilute the whole

mess, stir like crazy and poke the specks with a chopstick or something to

break them up when you find the right temp to work at.

I'd mix them into a little soap first and look for a reaction. If you don't get

one

then you're good to go...you got the right temp. Put in more and dilute with

more base from there to get your desired shade.

Fun, isn't it? LOL

Bob

> >

> > > Yes, I have, Colleen. What did you want to know about it? It's a

> > nice yellow, but it will bleed, if that's a concern.

> >

> >

> > Which one did you use Beth? Bleeding isn't a concern as I only use it

> > for my ducks.

> >

> > Have you used any of their other liquid colorants?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Colleen

> > Handcrafted & Decorative Soaps

> > http://www.countrymeadowcreations.com

> > Kat's Coffees & More Consultant #0892

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob

Thanks for all the info. I know it's all trial & error. I just wish

each site listed " bleeding " or " non-bleeding " on each color so you'd

know and save yourself a lot of aggravation.

Re: Bob

Hi :

That sounds like either a pigment or better yet a Mica. But hey, I'm no

chemist.

They shouldn't " bleed " but like I said in the other message, if they're

too hot

they will melt and run.

Among other things, I do M & P column (or tube) imbeds. If you fix your

column

imbed at the base and pour hot soap around them, (I use plexiglass

vertical

loaf molds) then I make it a point to keep the surrounding base as cool

as

possible, say maybe 120 (130 tops) if I have time to let it cool that

much. That

way it won't glob while you're pouring. Much warmer than that and you're

risking melting the imbed. Then you'll see it whisp out into the base

after

you've cut your bars.

I have had the mixing problems, both with dyes and pigments but mostly

with

dyes. You don't want to use too much water. With dyes I have had reds

turn

iridescent when they get dropped into too hot a base. Then you try to

dilute

them and you get specks. The only thing that will save it is dilute the

whole

mess, stir like crazy and poke the specks with a chopstick or something

to

break them up when you find the right temp to work at.

I'd mix them into a little soap first and look for a reaction. If you

don't get one

then you're good to go...you got the right temp. Put in more and dilute

with

more base from there to get your desired shade.

Fun, isn't it? LOL

Bob

[Guest guest]

Bob- thanks so much for the invite. One of these days I might just take you up on your generous offer. I must warn you though about including my munchkins...they are 15 and 13 -- extremely energetic and ornery (have no idea where they get THAT from!)

A few days with friends on a beach...just what the Doc's ordered!

Much love,

"Have a heart that never hardens, a temper that never tires, and a touch that never hurts."

-- Dickens

[Guest guest]

Dixie - I'm sorry if anyone is confused about Bob. Bob is the listowner

of BH News. On groups. He has a hearing loss but does not have a

cochlear implant. Bob sends

out PR information he receives but he has no perfect knowledgd of what a

CI is like to the user.

I'm not sure why AB has their information coming thru him if he isn't

part of their marketing team in some way. The other CI manufacturers

have their volunteer teamswho do this. Maybe AB doesn't feel that their

volunteers can get the word out.

I'm not home and sending messages on this is a little difficult so

please excuse errors.

Thanks!

Alice

--nmgram

[Guest guest]

Just to clarify, the Bobber, as I see folks refer to him as on his

own list, acts on his own behalf, completely and totally!! He is

not a part of the AB marketing team in any way and simply tries to

get the word out about events and happenings having to do with

Cochlear implants, any cochlear implant, and about hearing loss in

general. He posts numerous announcements and news items on numerous

forums regardless of implant types or content. Why he is so

interested and involved in cochlear implants, you'll have to ask

him, ,but he does help to keep us all informed and up to date on a

variety of issues related to the hearing impaired. I nor Advanced

Bionics asks him to post these sorts of announcements, he just takes

it upon himself to do so. thanks bob for your concern for everyone.

Bob beat me to the post, as I am in the process of posting the

seminar announcement to all the forums myself....

have a great day everyone,

Sandy

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much, Sandy for your post. I feel redeemed. <G>

As we're sorting out issues today, allow me to answer your question, one

posed by others as well:

" Why he is so interested and involved in cochlear implants, you'll have to

ask

him, ,but he does help to keep us all informed and up to date "

* One reason is that I could one day be a CI candidate too.

* More importantly, I cover the topic well for my list bh News because I

know that more and more of our members want to keep up with the latest on

the cochlear implant. A delightful challenge for the insatiable news-junkie

! <G>

* And when the work product is deemed to be of interest to a broader

dissemination, then it goes to the other lists as well.

So, Sandy, and others as well, I believe that will answer your question/s.

Thanks for listening ? <G>

Bob... or if of preference.. Bobber

[Guest guest]

Sorry Dixie, the weights I quoted are from a battery engineering guide. No data

on the various processors or propietary rechargable cells. For that, best to

contact the manufacturer.

On the AA & AAA cells:

Alkaline AA : 23 grams, ,8 oz.

Alkaline AAA: 11.5 grams, .4 oz

Hope that helps.

Bob

>

> From: " sewunique47 " <PlayForDixie@...>

> Date: 2005/07/08 Fri PM 12:19:41 EDT

>

> Subject: Bob

>

> Bob,

>

> Have you had a chance to weigh all the BTE processors with the

> batteries in...both 675 and rechargeables, with the prolonged power

> cells which are sold now in place of the smaller cells..including the

> add on feature using a regular AA or AAA battery? I'd find it

> interesting if you know this info, please share it with us. Could be

> with the 675 batteries, the processors are heavier..??

>

> Dixie

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lest I be misinterpreted, dear Dixie, on this topic, please allow as

interjected .. Grins OK? ...

> Bob

>

>

> Bob,

>

> I realize the Mini might not be suitable for some users, but with my

> long battery life of 5-6 days on 3-675 batteries, I'm thinking I'll

> get a third less time in battery usage, IMHO. For me, that would be

> fine and having a smaller processor would be welcome. My little ears

> can't handle a lot of weight and that would be comfortable.....my

> thoughts.

OK, one with " little ears " . No problema! <G>

>

> I am just not one to use the added extras of the lapel mic, direct

> connect with processor, (I get tangled in the cords) and cables and

> so forth. I find I don't need them or an FM system and such. Now

> all this could change with new technology, I have no idea, but at

> this time, I just don't use those items. I have tried most of them

> when I was first hooked up and found I didn't need them.

OK again, but, I do wonder if you have actually explored all the benefits of

assistive technology - better hearing beyond the CI or HA?

>

> As far as the weight of the Mini, I only asked you about the weight

> as you do keep up with such information on new products. I've not

> seen the weight advertised anywhere at any site, but have not looked

> either. It didn't cross my mind to contact Cochlear and ask as you

> came to mind first. I thought it being the new kid on the block,

> you'd have first knowledge of that info and would share.... just a

> question of interest to me and asked it.

Glad you did Dixie! Posts like yours foment further learning!

I can say I have an idea of

> the weight from your post and yours only. I have not seen the weight

> from any Cochlear employee and it's not been advertised or shared to

> my knowledge.

Right you are Dixie, and the reticence of all of the CI makers to simply

spill all of the facts and figures in truth and honesty in such cases as in

tonight, is, once again, an issue that will be addressed by this writer, as

long as required..

I know the size is 12% smaller than the standard

> Freedom, but no weight comparison. Downtown girl gave some info from

> her experience and she's the first I know of who has tried the Mini,

> in fact, I'm surprised she had it and it's been used by a patient.

> Can't say I've seen much info on the new Mini on any of the boards,

> if it's been there, I probably missed it. I believe I asked about

> the weight, you answered and I replied with a thanks along with the

> loop information....no other speculation on it that I've seen. Could

> I have missed some posts that I don't see on the boards? I believe

> some used my topic heading for other subjects. BooHoo. I hope

> posters will continue to share information with us as I'm certainly

> interested in every aspect of the new Mini at this point, but

> actually have no knowledge of it other than what I read at forums and

> the Cochlear site.

The burden tonight is on Cochlear.. And maybe tomorrow on AB or maybe MedEl

>

> I sincerely believe it's difficult for any company to give hard facts

> on battery usage and time tables. I think when they say, ''up to''

> that does not necessarily mean all will get that time period of use.

> Again just my thoughts. The map strategy, speed of processing, etc,

> makes or breaks the length of battery useage. The same applies for

> hearing aids. I happen to be on what I feel is a common speed of 900

> with Ace on my processor. Others might find less is better or more

> gives them added advantage with hearing. I'm right where I should be

> and my battery times are quite a bit longer than most. I know this

> can't be determined prior to activation and subsequent maps are

> needed to their level for better hearing. It's all a guess before

> activation. So you know, Bob...it's going to be different for

> everyone.

Right, Dixie, I am aware of these factors

>

> I missed the Orlando convention or would have had more knowledge of

> the Mini and could have seen it at the Cochlear booth. It's site

> unseen for me.

No tears, Dixie, No Orlando for me either. No need, 'cept for the social

aspect in the quest for knowledge on HL.

The cold facts of life are that all makers of hearing instruments need to

become more forthright in statements and with more clarity for us all.

Otherwise, I will force the issue. That is a promise!

I hope others will share their thoughts on it for us

> all and let us know how you like the new product. Downtown girl is

> the only person I know of who has tried it thus far.

>

> Have a good weekend and thanks again for the information.

Quite welcome!! And Thanks for stirring this pot!

Been meaning to say some of this stuff for a while now..

Bob

>

> Dixie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bob:

You are a realist (as am I) and

admitedly jaded. I consider that a trait NEEDed for ones own

health. It's a positive thing.

Helps one shift thru the crap.

Until the professionals relaize that some of the people not helped by

standard care- need individualized care for diagnosis and treat

their problems tailored to their needs-

whether one gets better or not will be left up to oneself.

I'm one these lists to extract the occasional pearl.

Barb

I can tell you from our personal experience that when thirty years

of the best that medicine has to offer produces nothing but feeling

worse, you grow rather jaded and skeptical about the latest theory du

jour............. So we are reduced to cherry-picking things from

here and there that .......... But don't be smug and think that

you've found the One True Path ... listen to the Riches, Amys, and

even Cheneys and take away what you can from them because those other

blind men are gathering data, too ... it's all part of the soup.

Don't build a fortress, " us vs them " mentality, however tempting it

may be. Like it or not, you need them all. Because if you manage to

get better on abx you'll need some of these other things --

nutritional support, toxin avoidance, etc. --- to sustain your gains

and keep yourself healthy. Otherwise you would never have needed the

abx in the first place.

> > > > Heh heh heh Rich.

> > > > ...

> > > > your one size glutathione depletion hypothesis?

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Been using CS which keeps the bird alive but does not cure. Also

tired MMS but it weakened the bird and did not help e-coli. The pigeon

breeders that I know that sell the stuff, quit selling it. Probably

because it damages blood cells and really doesn't seem to cure anything

though it probably helps short term. At any rate, nothing I know of or

have ever tried seems to kill this e-coli. Ozonated water with my

smaller ozone maching did not work either and peroxide certainly doesn't

work.

Steph

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I can't now recall just how long the ankles had swollen up, but it

must have been quite close to the relevant events, associated in time

(and memory).

Cortef or generic hydrocortisone must conform to minimum

pharmaceutical standards for such materials, since they have high

activity and do a specific and vital job. I'd be very surprised if the

effectiveness of one varied much from another, meeting the same

pharmaceutical standard.

That said, proprietary L-thyroxine came in for some very severe

criticism and recalls in the past, arising from just such

pharmaceutical mismatch as between content and effectiveness.

I'll put aside an hour or so to re-think the correlations between

diagnosis, prescription of L-thyroxine and precipitate events

following the L-thyroxine-only route.

If you see any 'boggling' in the next day or so, it'll be

mind-boggling, I bet; as indication of hhhmmmm, just thinking about it.

....that stoicism can be quite dangerous, if left to its own devices.

18yrs is a long time in research advance, perhaps the level of

knowledge back then was in the 'fledgeling' stage? not certain enough

to want to commit it to paper.

We've seen no obvious side effects of high blood pressure on HC for

17+yrs.

Knee joints may have swelled a little due to bone re-modelling, but

not certain that can be attributed to either the hydrocortisone, the

L-thyroxine, or the beta blocker(Atenolol).

It may be just the general effects of ageing +/-.

best wishes

Bob

>

> Bob

I would expect by giving someone who has possible cardiac problems

Levothyroxine would only worsen the heart symptoms? And on top of all

[Guest guest]

Lottie,

If you speak to Bob, give him my best

On Sep 7, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Lottie Duthu wrote:

> Listen up, friends, we have a very devout fellow subscriber in the

> hospital. Please remember Bob in your prayers, he will

> certainly be in mine. He is in the hospital for an infection and

> fever, but I will bet he's cracking jokes and giving the nurses a

> hard time. Let's give him time to heal and send him our best wishes.

> If anyone knows his home address, we can bombard him with some get

> well cards, the funnier the better. He will have something to boost

> his morale when he returns home.

> Hands & hearts,

> Lottie Duthu

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do we know where he's been treated?

From: seloew12@...

Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 22:34:07 -0400

Subject: [ ] Bob

Hi All,

All I know is that Bob lives in Indiana. We're fellow Hoosiers. So sorry to

hear he's ill. I think in addition to CML that he has liver cancer, too.

L

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the update Lottie....I hope that Bob beats this infection and is back

on the list in no time!

Beth

[ ] Bob

 

Listen up, friends, we have a very devout fellow subscriber in the hospital.

Please remember Bob in your prayers, he will certainly be in mine. He is

in the hospital for an infection and fever, but I will bet he's cracking jokes

and giving the nurses a hard time. Let's give him time to heal and send him our

best wishes. If anyone knows his home address, we can bombard him with some get

well cards, the funnier the better. He will have something to boost his morale

when he returns home.

Hands & hearts,

Lottie Duthu

[Guest guest]

Best wishes and God Bless you Bob. Get Well Soon.

Eva

From: bethgalliart@...

Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:25 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Bob

Thanks for the update Lottie....I hope that Bob beats this infection and is back

on the list in no time!

Beth

[ ] Bob

Listen up, friends, we have a very devout fellow subscriber in the hospital.

Please remember Bob in your prayers, he will certainly be in mine. He is

in the hospital for an infection and fever, but I will bet he's cracking jokes

and giving the nurses a hard time. Let's give him time to heal and send him our

best wishes. If anyone knows his home address, we can bombard him with some get

well cards, the funnier the better. He will have something to boost his morale

when he returns home.

Hands & hearts,

Lottie Duthu