Re: Competition

April 26, 2000

Yeah, you have a point. I should go ahead and post them in the photo

areas. I posted them in my briefcase and figured that was good enough, but if

it will help people get inspired, I'll do it ...just because you asked. =)

And there's more than four groups ya know...there's a women's group,

individual state groups, yada yada yada

-

April 26, 2000

Well hell, blanket them all! Get them in as many as possible. Who knows, Bill

may go snooping though photos and Hey ya never know! A few people got jackets

out of the club because Bill saw them there.

........ Best of luck

April 26, 2000

Well hell, blanket them all! Get them in as many as possible. Who knows, Bill

may go snooping though photos and Hey ya never know! A few people got jackets

out of the club because Bill saw them there.

........ Best of luck

June 15, 2001

All this talk about whether the chironets of the world are in the right or wrong about being closed panel reminds me of how we really misappropriate our energies in this profession. Who really cares if chironet is open or closed, I don't... and although i am on chironet, it being closed doesn't have anything to do with whether new grads make it or not...and my being on it, has little to do with whether or not i am successful overall.

Think about this: -Approximately 10% of Oregon's population utilizes chiropractors each year.

-Out of that measly 10%, how many do you think have a closed-panel type of managed care insurance such as chironet, which has some chiropractic coverage??...I am guessing way less than 25% (of that 10%).

-So, that means that when we are discussing those patients who are 'covered' under CHP and the like ...we are talking about no more than 2.5% of the population out there.

- 2.5%!!!???!!! Who cares?!?!.....

I and WE should be much more concerned about the 90% who are not utilizing chiropractic services in a given year.

We need to stop fighting with each other over the 10% of the population who DO utilize us...we are fighting over the 'converted'.....and we need to start working as colleagues to try to get the market share that we should be seeing. By my reckoning, we should be seeing greater than 50% of the population each year for "curative" services and 100% of the population for preventive services.

How do we do that? By looking at each other as colleagues first. We are COLLEAGUES and the COMPETITION is MEDICINE. Weather you believe that a subluxation is the "original sin" and should be obliterated from the spines of every living being (hah hah)or, on the other hand, you are an "orthopractor" who "manipulates" acute lumbar "sprains" (equally hah hah) you still have more in common with most chiros than you do with folks who have come up through medicine's 'hawsepipe'.

Look folks....

-We are truly conservative, they are not.

-We are masters in 'physical' medicine, they are not.

-We (most of us, anyway) truly respect and promote and facilitate the body's innate ability to heal without the use of drugs and/or surgery, medicine (by and large) does not.

-We place a particular emphasis on the health and integrity of the nervous system and the structure and function of its related tissues, they do not. In fact, in my opinion, their zealous fixation on the use of synthetic pharmaceuticals for anything and everything, is one of the biggest misappropriations of technology human-kind has ever known.

-We (are supposed to) truly promote a healthful lifestyle of moderate exercise, natural diets etc., they pay pay mere lip-service to these issues.

-We are (supposed to be) patient-centered, medicine is condition-centered or disease-centered.

-We are (supposed to be) interested in true causation of pain/injury/illness, medicine is much more focused on symptoms.

Sure, we should reach out and build bridges to medicine, but we have got to stand in our shoes while doing so and maintain our own uniqueness and autonomy. That's why to me, its no crime to have a closed panel, who cares? That is the free market at work. The biggest crime that we as a profession can commit is to forget, (or have never understood) that we are a seperate and distinct profession. ..and to give control of gatekeeping, case review, 'peer-review', over to medicine.....If you are a chiropractor and you care about your profession's existence, then you should never do that, as medicine does not share our unique values.

Thanks for reading.

J. , DC

Springbrook Chiropractic & Natural Health Center

1015 N. Springbrook Rd.

Newberg, OR 97132

www.springbrookclinic.com

"SANITAS INNATUS EST"

June 15, 2001

,

Thanks for your impassioned writing, .

Art

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Date sent: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:20:01 EDT

From: cdcaol

.... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

.... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Thanks for reading.

J. , DC

Springbrook Chiropractic & Natural Health Center

1015 N. Springbrook Rd.

Newberg, OR 97132

www.springbrookclinic.com

"SANITAS INNATUS EST"

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<HTML>All this talk about

whether the chironets of the world are in the right or wrong about

being closed panel reminds me of how we really misappropriate our

energies in this profession. Who really cares if chironet is open

or closed, I don't... and although i am on chironet, it being

closed doesn't have anything to do with whether new grads make it

or not...and my being on it, has little to do with whether or not

i am successful overall. Think about this: -Approximately

10% of Oregon's population utilizes chiropractors each year. -Out

of that measly 10%, how many do you think have a closed-panel type of

managed care insurance such as chironet, which has some

chiropractic coverage??...I am guessing way less than 25% (of that

10%). -So, that means that when we are discussing those patients

who are 'covered' under CHP and the like ...we are talking about

no more than 2.5% of the population out there. - 2.5%!!!???!!!

Who cares?!?!..... I and WE should be much more concerned

about the 90% who are not utilizing chiropractic services in a

given year. We need to stop fighting with each other over the

10% of the population who DO utilize us...we are fighting over the

'converted'.....and we need & nbsp;to start working as colleagues

to try to get the market share that we should be seeing. By my

reckoning, we should be seeing greater than 50% of the population

each year for "curative" services and 100% of the population for

preventive services. How do we do that? By looking at

each other as colleagues first. We are COLLEAGUES and the

COMPETITION is MEDICINE. Weather you believe that a subluxation is

the "original sin" and should be obliterated from the spines of

every living being (hah hah)or, on the other hand, you are an

"orthopractor" who "manipulates" acute lumbar "sprains" (equally

hah hah) you still have more in common with most chiros than you

do with folks who have come up through medicine's 'hawsepipe'.

Look folks.... -We are truly conservative, they are

not. -We are masters in 'physical' medicine, they are not.

-We (most of us, anyway) truly respect and promote and

facilitate the body's innate ability to heal without the use of

drugs and/or surgery, medicine (by and large) does not.

-We place a particular emphasis on the health and integrity of the

nervous system and the structure and function of its related

tissues, they do not. In fact, in my opinion, their zealous

fixation on the use of synthetic pharmaceuticals for anything and

everything, is one of the biggest misappropriations of technology

human-kind has ever known. & nbsp; -We (are supposed to) truly

promote a healthful lifestyle of moderate exercise, natural diets

etc., they pay pay mere lip-service to these issues. -We are

(supposed to be) patient-centered, medicine is condition-centered or

disease-centered. -We are (supposed to be) interested in

true causation of pain/injury/illness, medicine is much more

focused on symptoms. Sure, we should reach out and build

bridges to medicine, but we have got to stand in our shoes while

doing so and maintain our own uniqueness and autonomy. That's why

to me, its no crime to have a closed panel, who cares? That is the

free market at work. The biggest crime that we as a profession can

commit is to forget, (or have never understood) that we are a seperate

and distinct profession. ..and to give control of gatekeeping,

case review, 'peer-review', over to medicine.....If you are a

chiropractor and you care about your profession's existence, then

you should never do that, as medicine does not share our unique

values. Thanks for reading. J. ,

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June 15, 2001

,

I am enthused to see you wanting to explore virgin territory.

I believe you are a man of your conviction. I would like to see you resign from chironet and devote some serious effort to making in roads in that fresh territory. The two thirds of the graduates that leave chiropractic in their first year of practice did just that. (They had no other choice.) What added percentage fail in the following years? You have more experience than a new graduate. You will be more successful.

Whenever a market is limited competition suffers. In this case, chiropractors feast on their young.

As an organization of chiropractors, chironet should be leading the way with positive example. Chironet's policies of excluding new graduates and not recognizing diplomats as having additional skills, (I guess chironet thinks those diplomats are just party degrees) tells nonchiropractic organizations that chiropractors are willing to drive the nails into the chiropractic coffin. Please join in! And so spirals down the trade.

How about acting to spiral the trade up? Do you think chironet will actually take a positive step?

DeSiena

On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:20:01 EDT cdc@... writes:

All this talk about whether the chironets of the world are in the right or wrong about being closed panel reminds me of how we really misappropriate our energies in this profession. Who really cares if chironet is open or closed, I don't... and although i am on chironet, it being closed doesn't have anything to do with whether new grads make it or not...and my being on it, has little to do with whether or not i am successful overall. Think about this: -Approximately 10% of Oregon's population utilizes chiropractors each year. -Out of that measly 10%, how many do you think have a closed-panel type of managed care insurance such as chironet, which has some chiropractic coverage??...I am guessing way less than 25% (of that 10%). -So, that means that when we are discussing those patients who are 'covered' under CHP and the like ...we are talking about no more than 2.5% of the population out there. - 2.5%!!!???!!! Who cares?!?!..... I and WE should be much more concerned about the 90% who are not utilizing chiropractic services in a given year. We need to stop fighting with each other over the 10% of the population who DO utilize us...we are fighting over the 'converted'.....and we need to start working as colleagues to try to get the market share that we should be seeing. By my reckoning, we should be seeing greater than 50% of the population each year for "curative" services and 100% of the population for preventive services. How do we do that? By looking at each other as colleagues first. We are COLLEAGUES and the COMPETITION is MEDICINE. Weather you believe that a subluxation is the "original sin" and should be obliterated from the spines of every living being (hah hah)or, on the other hand, you are an "orthopractor" who "manipulates" acute lumbar "sprains" (equally hah hah) you still have more in common with most chiros than you do with folks who have come up through medicine's 'hawsepipe'. Look folks.... -We are truly conservative, they are not. -We are masters in 'physical' medicine, they are not. -We (most of us, anyway) truly respect and promote and facilitate the body's innate ability to heal without the use of drugs and/or surgery, medicine (by and large) does not. -We place a particular emphasis on the health and integrity of the nervous system and the structure and function of its related tissues, they do not. In fact, in my opinion, their zealous fixation on the use of synthetic pharmaceuticals for anything and everything, is one of the biggest misappropriations of technology human-kind has ever known. -We (are supposed to) truly promote a healthful lifestyle of moderate exercise, natural diets etc., they pay pay mere lip-service to these issues. -We are (supposed to be) patient-centered, medicine is condition-centered or disease-centered. -We are (supposed to be) interested in true causation of pain/injury/illness, medicine is much more focused on symptoms. Sure, we should reach out and build bridges to medicine, but we have got to stand in our shoes while doing so and maintain our own uniqueness and autonomy. That's why to me, its no crime to have a closed panel, who cares? That is the free market at work. The biggest crime that we as a profession can commit is to forget, (or have never understood) that we are a seperate and distinct profession. ..and to give control of gatekeeping, case review, 'peer-review', over to medicine.....If you are a chiropractor and you care about your profession's existence, then you should never do that, as medicine does not share our unique values. Thanks for reading. J. , DC Springbrook Chiropractic & Natural Health Center 1015 N. Springbrook Rd. Newberg, OR 97132 www.springbrookclinic.com

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September 3, 2003

Wow Jennie, that is one awesome coach! Wish Lindsey good luck and let her know

we are cheering for her!

Tammy

September 3, 2003

Jennie: I am impressed by the reaction of the other parents on your

daughters cheer squad to include Lindsey. Lindsey, no matter what

role she plays in the competition...and the routine...will have a

ball! Competitions are nerve-wracking and fun at the same time. It

will be a great experience that she will always remember...and the

perfect time for her to experience it. As I mentioned once before, I

have a daughter on a competitive all-star cheer squad, and we have

been amazed at the cooperation we all receive from

parents/coaches/directors during competition time. It is something

to definitely participate in...don't miss it.

Good luck, get tons of pictures, buy their video and be proud!

Kim in Illinois

PS: We hope to qualify for Orlando next spring!

> This was pretty bittersweet for me.

>

> As you know Lindsey is in cheerleading. I never realized how

severely apraxic her body us,and never dreamed she would have as much

trouble as she is.

>

> Novemeber 15th in Orlando,Lindsey is going to competition with her

team. We will be staying over night in a nice hotel with cheerleaders

from everywhere.

>

> I told several parents that they didn't have to worry as Lindsey

will not be going to competition.We are only doing this for fun. I

was not even worried about competiton because in my mind we were

definetly not going.

>

> Yesterday the coach took me to the side and said they all want

Lindsey to go to competiiton,she is more part of the team then alot

of them she said. she goes to every practice and games and She gives

her so much credit for even being out there and trying.

>

> They will work Lindsey into the routines,but Lindsey will not be

doing the routine,she will be clapping mainly,if the team gets

deductions becasue of Lindsey then so be it the coach said she is

part of the team.

>

> She knows the words so I hope she can get them out that day.

>

> Jennie

> Mom to seven year old Lindsey

>

September 3, 2003

Jennie,

This made me cry! That's wonderful. Nice to know that in today's world,

there are still people that realize what really matters. That coach, those

parents and Lindsey's team mates could teach some people a thing or two.

How does that saying go... There is no " I " in " TEAM " !

:-) KIM

September 3, 2003

I told Jennie I just had to post this to the group. I was on the

phone with Jennie about how incredible this competition story is -it's so

beautiful it sounds more like the ending to a Disney Sunday night

family movie than real life!

Anyway -I was telling Jennie how Tanner is getting the opposite

treatment in a way because his first grade teacher (from his

accelerated academics school) was telling me that even though Tanner

is academically on target with all his work -all his grades so far

are 100% (and his spelling words for his second week of first grade

which all had to be put into sentences that he had to form himself

are the following: spice, was, this, that, are, on, and line -and

he's a whiz at math -able to tell you what is 40 plus 40 or 2000 plus

3000 etc.) but... " Tanner's handwriting is not as neat as it could

be " and he is 'not' " keeping up with his verbal output in the

classroom " ....

Well Tanner did just start learning to write....last month! (and just

transitioned out of OT this past summer for motor planning issues) I know

his teacher just doesn't want to accept less when she believes he

can do more -and that's OK, to a point. So this is the conversation

we were having as I was talking about how this will be worked out

when all of a sudden we both hear,

" JOSEPH HIT ME WITH THE REMOTE CONTROL IN MY EYE!!! "

Knowing Jennie only has two kids I was shocked when I asked " Jennie -

-who was that?! " Well it was !! Jennie just increased

to two ProEFA a day (she was started on one just a few weeks

ago but she's now 7 and older kids usually do better on two)

After knowing was OK Jennie and I were laughing about how clear

was -Jennie said getting clearer all the time now. already needs

another update at the Talking Page!!

Below is when I posted the unedited version of Tanner and .

Jennie had 's redone because the tape was hard to hear. The

difference however is also that when Jennie redid the tape -it was

after about two weeks of first supplementing with ProEFA. I

could immediately hear the difference and as I wrote here -it wasn't

just because the recording was louder. I've been around (in

person) a bit since moving to Florida -and is 'much' clearer!

I think we should keep these " before " ProEFA tapes of too

for comparison -maybe have edit them so they are easier to

compare. It's hard to separate them now since it's a long tape -but

here is the message with the unedited version so you can compare

. This will be the first recording of

before and after ProEFA with an older child! (and some will still

say this too is a coincidence since some late talkers don't just

start talking... until seven!)

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Tue Jul 22, 2003 10:05 pm

Subject: The Talking Page (unedited version!)

Here is the unedited update to Tanner (turned 7 June 11th!)

http://www.debtsmart.com/talk/tanner.html and

http://www.debtsmart.com/talk/lindsey.html that is preparing

to update the Talking Page with. The beginning and end of the tape

are the older brothers (Dakota and ph) and then you can hear

Tanner and 's updates!

The final page won't be all of this of course, lots will be cut -but

thought some of you may want to hear this unedited version since

it's been awhile since their last updates!

Dakota Pledge of Allegiance

Dakota singing Scooby Doo with ph doing backup

(the " loveable dog with a speech impediment " theme song)

doing Pledge of Allegiance twice

Tanner doing Pledge of Allegiance twice

Tanner doing " One Two Buckle My Shoe "

Then Tanner says some of the things he said from his first recording

Tanner sings the alphabet

Tanner reads from Dr. Seuss " Hop On Pop "

Tanner counts to 109

counts to 38

The recording is about 4 meg so it may take a while for you to

download.

The file is at:

http://www.debtsmart.com/talk/tanner_and_lindsey.wav

=====

September 4, 2003

Thank you all so much for all the letters about Lindsey going to competition. I

was SO touched!

Since starting the Pro Efa Lindsey is improving in every area. Other people are

noticing too,then last night on the phone with , Lindsey comes in and loudly

said that ph hit her in the eye with the remote control! it was very clear.

I am just praying this continues.

Jennie

August 28, 2009

But Lottie, I know so much more about gin, vodka and tonic and lime, than I do

about

libidos and shaving!!

a (Bobby) Doyle Brecksville, Ohio, USA DX 05/1995 02/2000 - Gleevec

Trial/OHSU 06/2002 - Gleevec/Trisenox Trial/OHSU 06/2003 - Gleevec/Zarnestra

Trial/OHSU 04/2004 - Sprycel Trial/MDACC, CCR in 10 months #840 - Zavie's

Zero Club 09/2006 - out of CCR 04/29/08 - XL228 Trial/ U.of Michigan

06/02/08 - CCR ( in 4 weeks)

02/13/09 - XL trial ended due to side effects

04/13/09 - New Trial, Ariad / U. of Mich./ Dr. Talpaz

From: Lottie Duthu <lotajam@...>

Subject: [ ] Competition

" CML " < >

Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 10:21 PM

Bob and Bobby,

It looks like you have competition with the exchange of information replacing

your sense of humor and rebuttals. Instead of gin, vodka and lime, we are now

talking about libido and blood. says he is glad to be alive and I have to

side with , the rest doesn't really matter. LOL I do notice that I have

so many skin tears that bleed a lot and then take forever to heal and I am left

with a scar, but to repeat what said, at least I am alive.

It is a bit strange to see man talk here, but that's o.k., the women don't want

to hog the stage. Now it's your turn. What's next on the agenda? LOL

Hands & hearts,

Lottie Duthu

August 28, 2009

Dear Lottie,

I hate to shave but do it every day. I love 'libidos' and wish I could do it

every day (can't get Pat to go along with that notion)!

Bob , Granger, Indiana

>

> From: Lottie Duthu <lotajam@...>

> Subject: [ ] Competition

> " CML " < >

> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 10:21 PM

>

> Bob and Bobby,

>

> It looks like you have competition with the exchange of information replacing

your sense of humor and rebuttals. Instead of gin, vodka and lime, we are now

talking about libido and blood. says he is glad to be alive and I have to

side with , the rest doesn't really matter. LOL I do notice that I have

so many skin tears that bleed a lot and then take forever to heal and I am left

with a scar, but to repeat what said, at least I am alive.

>

> It is a bit strange to see man talk here, but that's o.k., the women don't

want to hog the stage. Now it's your turn. What's next on the agenda? LOL

>

> Hands & hearts,

>

> Lottie Duthu

>

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