Re: x-rays

[Guest guest]

Peggy...

I've always been told that I MUST return the x-rays that I borrow.

However, I've never done so. And, no one has ever called to follow up

on them. I wouldn't worry.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

I don't know the legality of whether you can keep your xrays or not but

they want them back because it is part of their record of your medical

treatment. Many states require doctors to keep those xrays for a certain

number of years before they can consided destroying them. You should be

able to request copies of the xrays for you to keep.

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[Guest guest]

I've been told to keep the X-rays in the last few years--they keep them on

film, and keeping them takes up too much room they've said.

And yes, they can make you copies from the film.

NB

At 07:52 PM 11/15/2000 -0800, you wrote:

>I don't know the legality of whether you can keep your xrays or not but

>they want them back because it is part of their record of your medical

>treatment. Many states require doctors to keep those xrays for a certain

>number of years before they can consided destroying them. You should be

>able to request copies of the xrays for you to keep.

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[Guest guest]

Yes, I did get my x-rays last week. When the office person found out I was

bringing them back to North Carolina (from upstate New York), she had me sign a

slip of paper and said " These are now your property. " I just wish I knew how to

read them! I have my appointment with a spinal surgeon on Thursday in

Greenville, NC. It turns out that my mother-in-law used to work for the

surgeon's father! They called to tell me the appointment will last at least 2

hours. If he determines that I do have flatback, then we will need to choose

one of the few specialists to see for another examination. The surgeon I am

seeing this Thursday is NOT the one I would have do my surgery (if needed). I

am just seeking a diagnosis at this point. Anything in particular I should ask?

As for the SRS list, there are several doctors listed in Durham, Chapel Hill and

Raleigh, North Carolina. Do any of them have experience doing surgery to

correct flatback?

Peggy Greene

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[Guest guest]

Dear Peggy,

Hello my name is Debbie and I couldnt help but ask a couple of quiestions if

I may???? What is flatback??? I also have scolioisis and I wasnt born with

it , it kinda came along with sceroisis & collapsed discs & lesions & well the

list goes on and on. I was wondering if you were born or you went thru the

painful breaking or bending of your back? Also the doctors that see you do

they think it is a painful condition????>? I do, and I am sure you do , it

really really hurts bad. I had a very very mild case, until I fell at work

and it is concaved fully now.

Have you ever had surgery for it????? I havent heard of a good surgery from

scoiloisis, the rod I heard is so painful. I am sure with all of the new

procedures they have now it is not as painful. Well I hope you find a good

doctor and if you dont keep looking, I am there for you with the scoilosis

pain it hurts really really bad, escp. when it is time of the month!!!!!

GODBLESS ALL IN PAIN>>DEBBIE

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie,

I was first diagnosed with scoliosis at the age of 6. When I was 10 I was

fitted with a Milwaukee brace and at 12 I had surgery with a Harrington rod

implantation. As far as flatback goes, it occurs mostly in people that had a

Harrington rod implant fusion done in the 60's and 70's, before the doctors

realized the importance of keeping the natural front to back curve in the spine.

Others can give you a much better definition of flatback.

My pain comes from the degenerative disc disease I now have in my cervical and

lumbar spine. There is basically no disc space left between my " unfused "

vertebrae. The constant wear and tear on those very few vertebrae to carry my

body weight, do all the lifting, bending, etc., isn't good for them! I don't

think I ever really had any pain from the rod or the surgery except for the

initial healing part. I'm sorry to hear you are in so much pain and discomfort.

I think the cases of scoliosis that are left untreated end up being more painful

than those of us that surgery when we were children.

I hope people don't mind if I explain things in simple terms instead of medical

terms. I have fibromyalgia which affects my memory and I just cannot think of

the proper medical terms, etc.

Peggy Greene

JPG Unlimited

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[Guest guest]

Terrific news about the x-ray results, !

If you send me your ophthalmologist's telephone number and your

schedule, I will make your appointment for you, LOL!

[ ] x-rays

> Hi everyone,

> Well, , I can't say that I've been to the optomologist or even

made a phone call. I can say that I got my

> x-ray results and there are no changes which is really good news.

>

> in Minnesota

[Guest guest]

LOL! I think you put the right person on your reminder campaign.

Glad about those x-rays. Hope your ophthalmologist has good news also.

a

> Terrific news about the x-ray results, !

>

> If you send me your ophthalmologist's telephone number and your

> schedule, I will make your appointment for you, LOL!

>

>

>

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> [ ] x-rays

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>

>> > Hi everyone,

>> > Well, , I can't say that I've been to the optomologist or even

> made a phone call. I can say that I got my

>> > x-ray results and there are no changes which is really good news.

>> >

>> > in Minnesota

>

>

[Guest guest]

a, I'm looking into ophthalmologists who make house calls in

Minnesota.

[ ] x-rays

> >

> >

> >> > Hi everyone,

> >> > Well, , I can't say that I've been to the optomologist or

even

> > made a phone call. I can say that I got my

> >> > x-ray results and there are no changes which is really good news.

> >> >

> >> > in Minnesota

[Guest guest]

Hi Mark

My docs believe as yours do. If I am complaining about soemthing and

adding another antibiotic does not work, they may xray it.

I have not have an xray for about6 yrs other than when I broke my

shoulder from a fall in a wave pool.

Love

Marge-

-- In rheumatic , " Mark Holmes <mholmes@n...> "

<mholmes@n...> wrote:

> Just curious how often your doctors think you should have x-rays to

> check for damage? I haven't had any for about 1 1/2 years now and

> wondered what your docs advised? I brought it up with my rheumie

who

> seemed to think they didn't have any real significance as long as

his

> clinical observations indicated active disease, since the treatment

> would be the same anyway. I'm wondering if he's just keeping his

> costs down to please the insurance company.

>

> Mark

[Guest guest]

Hi socjog and Mark,

I don't agree with either of you! I don't think anyone should have

X-rays as a matter of course - they are not benign. X-ray damage is

cumulative and carcinogenic. I don't understand what you hope to

accomplish with X-rays??

I haven't had X-rays since I was diagnosed, my rhemy has never mentioned

it and I have never asked for it. I don't plan to either...

JMHO,

socjog wrote:

> Hi Mark ,

> Nope I don't agree with your dr. based on what you have said . if I

> had active progressing disease x-rays depending on the disease

> symptoms etc should be done every 3 mths. or until the progression was

> halted and or slowed . If I had inactive disease progression annually

> . This is a very hard question to pin point exactly how many x-rays

> for whom with what diseases varies enormously . I'm giving you a very

> very generalized idea . Treatment is NOT the same in disease

> progression where there is joint erosion . Often aggressively

> approaching this can halt and slow down this activity and to ignore

> this is neglectful in my non medical opinion. Warm regards,

> socjog

> Just curious how often your doctors think you should have x-rays to

> check for damage? I haven't had any for about 1 1/2 years now and

> wondered what your docs advised? I brought it up with my rheumie who

> seemed to think they didn't have any real significance as long as his

> clinical observations indicated active disease, since the treatment

> would be the same anyway. I'm wondering if he's just keeping his

> costs down to please the insurance company.

>

> Mark

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Regarding X-RAYS, my suggestion would be to detox and neutralize free radicals.

I'll have to get back to you on how to do this. I know some of my supplements

neutralize free radicals and repair free radicl damage.

When I got my radiation treatments, they put me in a room by myself and

closed a door that was about 5 feet thick! What does that say about the damage

caused by radiation!!! My gosh!!! I thought about that every single time I was

in there! If I can find any additional info, I will let you know, as this is a

tremendous concern I have for myself as well.

Blessings,

[Guest guest]

Wow Kam- beautiful “bling-bling”.

Loved your Christmas Tree too!

Lorrie

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of advokam

Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006

10:09 PM

Subject: [ ] X-rays

While they are not very clear (even with the help of Photoshop), I

have posted photos of my x-rays taken with my cell

phone - we forgot

to take a camera to my appt. They are under

Photos:kam's pics.

The full sagittal view wasn't even worth posting

as no detail showed

up. I now have seven screws since he removed one

after a week inside

my body and I will take a picture of it soon and

put some common

objects by it so that you can see what the screws look

like. It is

pretty cool that I got to bring NEW

instrumentation home with me! For

the record, I do not plan to come home with any

extra cages. I will

have to keep wondering what they look like...

kam

[Guest guest]

Ooh, yes, very bling-y! I love the subtle lordosis. How does it feel to have a butt?!

Sharon

RE: [ ] X-rays

Wow Kam- beautiful “bling-bling”. Loved your Christmas Tree too!

Lorrie

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of advokamSent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 10:09 PM Subject: [ ] X-rays

While they are not very clear (even with the help of Photoshop), I have posted photos of my x-rays taken with my cell phone - we forgot to take a camera to my appt. They are under Photos:kam's pics.The full sagittal view wasn't even worth posting as no detail showed up. I now have seven screws since he removed one after a week inside my body and I will take a picture of it soon and put some common objects by it so that you can see what the screws look like. It is pretty cool that I got to bring NEW instrumentation home with me! For the record, I do not plan to come home with any extra cages. I will have to keep wondering what they look like...kam

[Guest guest]

I think 20 in a life time is too much. I am depressed just hearing

about 20 a year.

On Feb 9, 2006, at 11:09 AM, jean wrote:

> does anybody get depressed after an X-ray photo ? I think I do. I'm

> kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or later, but

> I wish I didn't have to do it.

>

> I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year, but I

> don't believe that.

>

> jean.

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[Guest guest]

X-rays might affect some electrosensitive people to some extent, but I think

it would depend on the particular frequencies you were sensitive to. X-rays

are electromagnetic waves, but at very different frequency ranges to

microwaves/mobiles and visible light.

Panoramic dental X-rays are surprisingly quick (about 30 seconds) and the

X-rays are focused on the jaw region rather than more sensitive parts of the

head. My wife Sue, who is ES, recently had one and suffered no ill-effects.

She had been worried about it but we inquired of this group and didn't have

any adverse reports.

The " you can have 20 a year " probably refers to the radiological effects for

" normal " non-ES people, where the main fear is of possible cancer. X-rays

are pretty safe in that respect. If you feel an X-ray affects you

depressively, that is a different mechanism. It depends how long the effect

lasts, and how painful it is, and balancing that against the benefits. In

Sue's case it proved very helpful for cavitation surgery, and we were glad

we had done it.

Best wishes, Ian

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Sent: 09 February 2006 16:10

Subject: X-rays

does anybody get depressed after an X-ray photo ? I think I do. I'm

kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or later, but

I wish I didn't have to do it.

I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year, but I

don't believe that.

jean.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I thought x-rays sometimes bothered me, but it was not in an ES way or

depression. I thought they affected my immune system to some degree. Of

course, I had MANY x-rays over 3 or 4 years, which may be why. After an auto

accident, the x-ray technician who did my x-rays subjected me (according to my

chiropractor) to the equivalent of 90 x-rays at one time. This was at a time

when I had already had many panograms and other x-rays and MRIs, etc, for tmj

surgeries and other suspicious health problems in the years just prior to this.

Some people react depressively to fatigue. I felt very fatigued with my x-rays.

Do you seem to have fatigue also with x-rays?

Diane

does anybody get depressed after an X-ray photo ? I think I do. I'm

kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or later, but

I wish I didn't have to do it.

I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year, but I

don't believe that.

jean.

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[Guest guest]

They bother me, no matter what kind.

Is there a real reason for having it done, or is just their standard

procedure? Few are actually necessary. Can you find a dentist who is

actually knowledgeable about the dangers of x-rays?

Panoramic is still x-ray, as are cat, pet, sonograms (often called

ultrasound, but it not the same thing), and something I'm forgetting.

Here, one I had, I just signed a refusal every time they wanted

them, " just for their records " .

Finally found a dentist who doesn't use them just for the heck of it,

like most do.

20 xrays a year? Outrageous lie. 1 is harmful, they cause genetic

damage everytime you have one.

~ Snoshoe

>

> does anybody get depressed after an X-ray photo ? I think I do. I'm

> kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or later,

but

> I wish I didn't have to do it.

>

> I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year, but I

> don't believe that.

>

> jean.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I know X-rays are much higher in the frequencies spectrum.

I remember the last X-rays I had was one year ago, it was already a

panoramic, but the machine looked really antique. And I felt upset

one hour. After that I took over.

I hear you about the cavitations issue. I've read about it only a

few weeks ago on the net. But some say an X-ray is not enough to

detect all of them, they need 'cavitat' machines.

jean.

>

> X-rays might affect some electrosensitive people to some extent,

but I think

> it would depend on the particular frequencies you were sensitive

to. X-rays

> are electromagnetic waves, but at very different frequency ranges to

> microwaves/mobiles and visible light.

>

> Panoramic dental X-rays are surprisingly quick (about 30 seconds)

and the

> X-rays are focused on the jaw region rather than more sensitive

parts of the

> head. My wife Sue, who is ES, recently had one and suffered no ill-

effects.

> She had been worried about it but we inquired of this group and

didn't have

> any adverse reports.

>

> The " you can have 20 a year " probably refers to the radiological

effects for

> " normal " non-ES people, where the main fear is of possible cancer.

X-rays

> are pretty safe in that respect. If you feel an X-ray affects you

> depressively, that is a different mechanism. It depends how long

the effect

> lasts, and how painful it is, and balancing that against the

benefits. In

> Sue's case it proved very helpful for cavitation surgery, and we

were glad

> we had done it.

>

> Best wishes, Ian

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of jean

> Sent: 09 February 2006 16:10

>

> Subject: X-rays

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> does anybody get depressed after an X-ray photo ? I think I do.

I'm

> kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or later,

but

> I wish I didn't have to do it.

>

> I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year, but

I

> don't believe that.

>

> jean.

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[Guest guest]

I know that in France a number of dentists do not use the normal X-ray

machines, but some sort of Ultrasound scans.

The image can be seen directly on a screen.

The radiation is much less than with conventional X-ray machines.

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>> does anybody get depressed after an X-ray photo ? I think I do.

> I'm

>> kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or later,

> but

>> I wish I didn't have to do it.

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>> I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year, but

> I

>> don't believe that.

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>> jean.

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[Guest guest]

I'm glad on this discussion group other people agree. Cause usual

people will just say this is ridiculous.

I try as much as I can not to undergo X-rays. But this is the

dentist who removed my amalgams, and he told me that after a while he

would need to check if the work was okay with a panoramic.

The 20 x-rays thing is what I read on the net, I don't remember,

maybe 500 ..rem or something per year and that an x-ray was

20...rem. Don't remember exactly. But I agree with you this is a

lie as usual. My brain is really saying no to those stuffs.

jean.

> >

> > does anybody get depressed after an X-ray photo ? I think I do.

I'm

> > kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or

later,

> but

> > I wish I didn't have to do it.

> >

> > I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year,

but I

> > don't believe that.

> >

> > jean.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

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> I think 20 in a life time is too much. I am depressed just hearing

> about 20 a year.

>

>

Yes, I understand. They are just evil.

jean.

[Guest guest]

This is called maybe 'echography'. Anything with less nuisance I'm

willing to switch to. But not sure it is available for bones, or

dental pictures.

jean.

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> I know that in France a number of dentists do not use the normal X-

ray

> machines, but some sort of Ultrasound scans.

> The image can be seen directly on a screen.

> The radiation is much less than with conventional X-ray machines.

>

> Greetings,

> Claessens

> member Verband Baubiologie

> www.milieuziektes.nl

> www.milieuziektes.be

> www.hetbitje.nl

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> > Yes, I know X-rays are much higher in the frequencies spectrum.

> >

> > I remember the last X-rays I had was one year ago, it was already

a

> > panoramic, but the machine looked really antique. And I felt

upset

> > one hour. After that I took over.

[Guest guest]

Sorry, not convinced about the " every X ray is harmful " idea. For non-ES

people, the vast majority of studies over the years show low-level or

occasional radiation of all types to have minuscule effects. Less in fact

than natural background radiation in many areas (e.g. where rocks are

granite etc).

For ES people, that's a different matter. Because of the much increased

susceptibility and sensitivity, an X ray could have a variety of painful

effects. But genetic damage is probably one of the less likely ones.

Ian

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

snoshoe_2

Sent: 11 February 2006 00:31

Subject: Re: X-rays

They bother me, no matter what kind.

Is there a real reason for having it done, or is just their standard

procedure? Few are actually necessary. Can you find a dentist who is

actually knowledgeable about the dangers of x-rays?

Panoramic is still x-ray, as are cat, pet, sonograms (often called

ultrasound, but it not the same thing), and something I'm forgetting.

Here, one I had, I just signed a refusal every time they wanted

them, " just for their records " .

Finally found a dentist who doesn't use them just for the heck of it,

like most do.

20 xrays a year? Outrageous lie. 1 is harmful, they cause genetic

damage everytime you have one.

~ Snoshoe

>

> does anybody get depressed after an X-ray photo ? I think I do. I'm

> kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or later,

but

> I wish I didn't have to do it.

>

> I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year, but I

> don't believe that.

>

> jean.

>

[Guest guest]

Remember that the X-ray machine draws a high current to generate the x-ray

beam. High current = high magnetic fields. Depending on where the x-ray

head is located, and how it is wired, the magnetic fields associated with

the device COULD be what is causing your symptoms, not the x-rays

themselves.

Emil

> Sorry, not convinced about the " every X ray is harmful " idea. For non-ES

> people, the vast majority of studies over the years show low-level or

> occasional radiation of all types to have minuscule effects. Less in fact

> than natural background radiation in many areas (e.g. where rocks are

> granite etc).

>

> For ES people, that's a different matter. Because of the much increased

> susceptibility and sensitivity, an X ray could have a variety of painful

> effects. But genetic damage is probably one of the less likely ones.

>

> Ian

>

> _____

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> From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> snoshoe_2

> Sent: 11 February 2006 00:31

>

> Subject: Re: X-rays

>

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> They bother me, no matter what kind.

> Is there a real reason for having it done, or is just their standard

> procedure? Few are actually necessary. Can you find a dentist who is

> actually knowledgeable about the dangers of x-rays?

>

> Panoramic is still x-ray, as are cat, pet, sonograms (often called

> ultrasound, but it not the same thing), and something I'm forgetting.

>

> Here, one I had, I just signed a refusal every time they wanted

> them, " just for their records " .

> Finally found a dentist who doesn't use them just for the heck of it,

> like most do.

>

> 20 xrays a year? Outrageous lie. 1 is harmful, they cause genetic

> damage everytime you have one.

>

> ~ Snoshoe

>

>

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>> does anybody get depressed after an X-ray photo ? I think I do. I'm

>> kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or later,

> but

>> I wish I didn't have to do it.

>>

>> I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year, but I

>> don't believe that.

>>

>> jean.

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