Re: x-rays

[Guest guest]

Hi again,

Glad to hear you are only depressed a short time after your x-rays. I was

very ill for years after my huge exposure. I am nearly normal tho now and do

not wish to have another x-ray if I can possibly help it, so I know how you

feel!

Diane

wrote:

It's just a few hours depressed. But it was just ONE panoramic. And

I REALLY wish I could avoid more.

---------------------------------

Relax. virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!

[Guest guest]

I'll say it again; Every X-ray causes genetic damage, and the effects

are cumulative, regardless of your health.

The info. is out there for people who want to find it,

same as consuming microwaved foods cause measureable, harmful changes

in your blood chemistry.

I'm glad Sue has been able to find a good dentist. I'd be surprised if

there's a cavitation machine in the whole mountain west here, but maybe.

~ Snoshoe

>

> Sorry, not convinced about the " every X ray is harmful " idea.

[Guest guest]

I got way less x-rays (I assume) than what happened for your case.

Maybe if I learnt a person had done that to me I would just go and

shoot him (although weapons are not free to buy in France).

Also I really feel like I cannot handle x-rays any longer. Maybe

it's due to the fact I have undergone some detox (mainly mercury

removal) and I can feel now nuisances a bit more clearly (in food, or

radiation).

jean.

> It's just a few hours depressed. But it was just ONE panoramic.

And

> I REALLY wish I could avoid more.

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Relax. virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi again,

Lol to shooting the lab technician. I felt like doing that on occasion. But

in this country (USA), the preferred weapon of choice is lawsuit.

Diane

jean <tdx244@...> wrote:

I got way less x-rays (I assume) than what happened for your case.

Maybe if I learnt a person had done that to me I would just go and

shoot him (although weapons are not free to buy in France).

Also I really feel like I cannot handle x-rays any longer. Maybe

it's due to the fact I have undergone some detox (mainly mercury

removal) and I can feel now nuisances a bit more clearly (in food, or

radiation).

jean.

> It's just a few hours depressed. But it was just ONE panoramic.

And

> I REALLY wish I could avoid more.

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Relax. virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Oh I am not an expert xray reader at all...I just have read that

getting the old wires out is one heck of a job, and since I know they

don't use them anymore, I figured they just left " well enough " alone

and let them stay in place.

The bent knee thing is understandable. Still, you would think that the

last thing technicians would do before shooting long spinal radiographs

is check below the waist. I always find they are concentrating so much

on getting the shot itself lined up that they never even look (or

notice) what else I am doing with my body.

Kinda makes you wonder how they can rely on the pre-op xrays, doesn't

it?

Take Care,

Cam

[Guest guest]

Kathy--I too, had a sagittal " problem " of 9 cm, too!! I was in a lot

of pain from severe DDD, arthritis, everything you can imagine down

there in my lumbar spine!!! So, my correction is good. I'm having

trouble with my pelvic bolts, so I may have to have them out after

the first of the year. We'll see after I have a CT scan done. Your X-

rays do look great!!!

Carol V.

(my x-rays are in my photos section, too)

>

> Cam - very observant of you - I had a friend help me post the X-

rays over the weekend(in Flatback photos under Kathy W. album), and

once he got it in a jpeg, it was very easy. And yes, it's all new,

except for the wires. So good catch, there girl, you really know

this stuff!

> Those are cobalt/chromium rods and titanium screws. I thought I

had alot of hardware before, but I was really a lightweight! As far

as correction, I know I wasn't as bad sagitally as some of you here,

but I was quite symptomatic. I think I was off by 9cm, and Dr. Ondra

was very pleased with the correction. My coronal balance is still

very bad (I wear a 1 1/4 " lift in left shoe), but it didn't show in X-

ray because although I had my shoe off, I had my legs bent (bad

habits are hard to die). When Dr. Koski looked at X-rays, he didn't

seem to pick that up, as we were both wondering why my pelvis and

shoulders looked so straight with my shoes off. I kept thinking

about it, and tried it in my mirror, and that's when I figured it out

with my knee bent. I called his nurse and told her to pass it on to

him, and that I wanted it in my record that the pictures were taken

that way. She said when I go back next time (don't go till Feb), to

make sure not to have them taken

> that way. Kathy W.

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Cat:

I have resisted doctors and dentists when they have told me that they

" needed " to have regular, frequent or obviously unnecessary x-ray exposure

for many years and it can be a tough task, indeed. They are always ready

with their reasons why these diagnostic exposures to ionizing radiation are

a necessity. There have been numerous occasions when the doctor or dental

hygienist would tell me strongly HINT that if I did not cooperate and

submit,

I could be dropped from their practice; I have prevailed so far and have

GREATLY

reduced my exposure from what the doctors, especially dentists, would like.

The most important source for information about the real damage done to

our

bodies by ionizing radiation, especially medical diagnostic X-radiation,

comes from

W. Gofman, M.D., Ph. D., Professor Emeritus, Molecular and Cell

Biology,

University of California, Berkeley. Here is the URL to the Google search

that lists

many sites where you will find that, * " **Medical radiation is a highly

important cause

(probably the principal cause) of cancer mortality in the United States

during the

Twentieth Century. Medical radiation means, primarily, exposure by xrays

(including fluoroscopy and CT scans). " *And further,* " Medical radiation,

received

even at very low and moderate doses, is an important cause of death from

Ischemic Heart Disease; the probable mechanism is radiation-induction of

mutations in the coronary arteries, resulting in dysfunctional clones

(mini-tumors)

of smooth muscle cells. "

**

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & q=+W.+Gofman+%2B+X-ray & btnG=Search

mikeO

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

***On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 1:58 AM, <babyelrayess@...> wrote:

> Yesterday I went to a new dentist, and of course I had to get the first

> visit X-Ray's done. Well I ended up taking a total of 16 X-rays. I asked

> the

> doc before getting them done if it would still be safe to nurse my son

> after

> getting them done, and she said there should not be a problem. I left out

> of

> there with a terrible migraine which I noticed happened shortly after

> getting

> the 16 X-rays of my teeth. I had to stop at a store before getting home to

>

> get water because I felt a lot of dizziness. When I did get home, I went

> straight to bed because of how ill I felt. Now I am wondering if what

> happened to

> me, could have been the effects from the radiation?? Having this done, I

> am

> questioning if I should trust the docs word about the nursing. I am

> wondering exactly how safe it is to nurse after having X-rays? If anyone

> could help

> it would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Cat

>

> **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.

> (

>

http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/

> 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow I wish I had known that before going in there. The only times I have

ever had X-rays were at the dentist, I've had maybe more than 50 dental X-rays

my whole life. Scary to think what kind of damage it could have done to me,

and I'm still in my 20's! Thanks a lot for this info.

cat

In a message dated 2/24/2008 1:12:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

odonnell.williammichael@... writes:

Hello Cat:

I have resisted doctors and dentists when they have told me that they

" needed " to have regular, frequent or obviously unnecessary x-ray exposure

for many years and it can be a tough task, indeed. They are always ready

with their reasons why these diagnostic exposures to ionizing radiation are

a necessity. There have been numerous occasions when the doctor or dental

hygienist would tell me strongly HINT that if I did not cooperate and

submit,

I could be dropped from their practice; I have prevailed so far and have

GREATLY

reduced my exposure from what the doctors, especially dentists, would like.

The most important source for information about the real damage done to

our

bodies by ionizing radiation, especially medical diagnostic X-radiation,

comes from

W. Gofman, M.D., Ph. D., Professor Emeritus, Molecular and Cell

Biology,

University of California, Berkeley. Here is the URL to the Google search

that lists

many sites where you will find that, * " **Medical radiation is a highly

important cause

(probably the principal cause) of cancer mortality in the United States

during the

Twentieth Century. Medical radiation means, primarily, exposure by xrays

(including fluoroscopy and CT scans). " *And further,* " Medical radiation,

received

even at very low and moderate doses, is an important cause of death from

Ischemic Heart Disease; the probable mechanism is radiation-induction of

mutations in the coronary arteries, resulting in dysfunctional clones

(mini-tumors)

of smooth muscle cells. "

**

_http://www.google.http://www.http: & q=+q=+<WBq=+<W & <WBR>btnG=S_

(http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & q=+W.+Gofman+++X-ray & btnG=Search)

**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.

(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/

2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/24/2008 2:40:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

leesamarie2828@... writes:

My gut feeling tells me to stop the treatment and she will be fine but I

would feel horrible if she had to have surgery because I took her out of the

brace.

that's a tough position to be in. I hope you come to a decision that makes

you feel good soon. I think if my gut was telling me something w/my child, I

would follow it. You know your child the best. Are you religious? if so

have you prayed about it?

Holly

**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.

(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/

2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

[Guest guest]

That is just so nice to hear when I have had more x-rays in the last four months

that most people have in a lifetime. Three cat scans and about 12 different

x-rays.

Fun stuff.

Sara

---- ODonnell <odonnell.williammichael@...> wrote:

> Hello Cat:

>

> I have resisted doctors and dentists when they have told me that they

> " needed " to have regular, frequent or obviously unnecessary x-ray exposure

> for many years and it can be a tough task, indeed. They are always ready

> with their reasons why these diagnostic exposures to ionizing radiation are

> a necessity. There have been numerous occasions when the doctor or dental

> hygienist would tell me strongly HINT that if I did not cooperate and

> submit,

> I could be dropped from their practice; I have prevailed so far and have

> GREATLY

> reduced my exposure from what the doctors, especially dentists, would like.

> The most important source for information about the real damage done to

> our

> bodies by ionizing radiation, especially medical diagnostic X-radiation,

> comes from

> W. Gofman, M.D., Ph. D., Professor Emeritus, Molecular and Cell

> Biology,

> University of California, Berkeley. Here is the URL to the Google search

> that lists

> many sites where you will find that, * " **Medical radiation is a highly

> important cause

> (probably the principal cause) of cancer mortality in the United States

> during the

> Twentieth Century. Medical radiation means, primarily, exposure by xrays

> (including fluoroscopy and CT scans). " *And further,* " Medical radiation,

> received

> even at very low and moderate doses, is an important cause of death from

> Ischemic Heart Disease; the probable mechanism is radiation-induction of

> mutations in the coronary arteries, resulting in dysfunctional clones

> (mini-tumors)

> of smooth muscle cells. "

> **

> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & q=+W.+Gofman+%2B+X-ray & btnG=Search

>

> mikeO

> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> ***On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 1:58 AM, <babyelrayess@...> wrote:

>

> > Yesterday I went to a new dentist, and of course I had to get the first

> > visit X-Ray's done. Well I ended up taking a total of 16 X-rays. I asked

> > the

> > doc before getting them done if it would still be safe to nurse my son

> > after

> > getting them done, and she said there should not be a problem. I left out

> > of

> > there with a terrible migraine which I noticed happened shortly after

> > getting

> > the 16 X-rays of my teeth. I had to stop at a store before getting home to

> >

> > get water because I felt a lot of dizziness. When I did get home, I went

> > straight to bed because of how ill I felt. Now I am wondering if what

> > happened to

> > me, could have been the effects from the radiation?? Having this done, I

> > am

> > questioning if I should trust the docs word about the nursing. I am

> > wondering exactly how safe it is to nurse after having X-rays? If anyone

> > could help

> > it would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Cat

> >

> > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.

> > (

> >

http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/

> > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I also have put the kibosh on regular dental x-rays. The dentist is not too

happy with me, but tough. They work for me.

One assistant actually tried to scare me into having my 8-yr-old x-rayed because

one of his top teeth hadn't come in yet and " it sometimes happens that there

aren't permanent ones. " I was absolutely stunned she would suggest he wouldn't

get teeth!! and asked if that were true, how would x-raying him change that?

It's not as if we could make him grow teeth if we knew.

The whole thing was so absurd and of course his tooth came in soon after. Idiot.

Winnie

Re: X-rays

Vaccinations

>

> Wow I wish I had known that before going in there. The only

> times I have

> ever had X-rays were at the dentist, I've had maybe more than 50

> dental X-rays

> my whole life. Scary to think what kind of damage it could have

> done to me,

> and I'm still in my 20's! Thanks a lot for this info.

>

> cat

>

> In a message dated 2/24/2008 1:12:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

>

> odonnell.williammichael@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Hello Cat:

>

> I have resisted doctors and dentists when they have told me

> that they

> " needed " to have regular, frequent or obviously unnecessary x-

> ray exposure

> for many years and it can be a tough task, indeed. They are

> always ready

> with their reasons why these diagnostic exposures to ionizing

> radiation are

> a necessity. There have been numerous occasions when the doctor

> or dental

> hygienist would tell me strongly HINT that if I did not

> cooperate and

> submit,

> I could be dropped from their practice; I have prevailed so far

> and have

> GREATLY

> reduced my exposure from what the doctors, especially dentists,

> would like.

> The most important source for information about the real damage

> done to

> our

> bodies by ionizing radiation, especially medical diagnostic X-

> radiation,comes from

> W. Gofman, M.D., Ph. D., Professor Emeritus, Molecular and

> Cell

> Biology,

> University of California, Berkeley. Here is the URL to the

> Google search

> that lists

> many sites where you will find that, * " **Medical radiation is a

> highlyimportant cause

> (probably the principal cause) of cancer mortality in the

> United States

> during the

> Twentieth Century. Medical radiation means, primarily, exposure

> by xrays

> (including fluoroscopy and CT scans). " *And further,* " Medical

> radiation,received

> even at very low and moderate doses, is an important cause of

> death from

> Ischemic Heart Disease; the probable mechanism is radiation-

> induction of

> mutations in the coronary arteries, resulting in dysfunctional clones

> (mini-tumors)

> of smooth muscle cells. "

> **

> _http://www.google.http://www.http: & q=+q=+btnG=S_

> (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & q=+W.+Gofman+++X-

> ray & btnG=Search)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL

> Living.

> (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-

> eater/rachel-campos-duffy/

> 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My daughter (almost 7 months old) has had 4 x-rays now for a shallow hip socket.

No one responded to my post on the OTVAX board re: this and if anyone knew of

alternate treatments for the condition. It is so stressful, I know they are so

bad for her but the doctor makes us feel like if we don't aggressively treat

this she could have a permanent problem or need surgery and I just can't find

much information on it. My gut feeling tells me to stop the treatment and she

will be fine but I would feel horrible if she had to have surgery because I took

her out of the brace.

Marie Quisenberry

leesamarie2828@...

Re: X-rays

That is just so nice to hear when I have had more x-rays in the last four months

that most people have in a lifetime. Three cat scans and about 12 different

x-rays.

Fun stuff.

Sara

---- ODonnell <odonnell.williammic haelgmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> Hello Cat:

>

> I have resisted doctors and dentists when they have told me that they

> " needed " to have regular, frequent or obviously unnecessary x-ray exposure

> for many years and it can be a tough task, indeed. They are always ready

> with their reasons why these diagnostic exposures to ionizing radiation are

> a necessity. There have been numerous occasions when the doctor or dental

> hygienist would tell me strongly HINT that if I did not cooperate and

> submit,

> I could be dropped from their practice; I have prevailed so far and have

> GREATLY

> reduced my exposure from what the doctors, especially dentists, would like.

> The most important source for information about the real damage done to

> our

> bodies by ionizing radiation, especially medical diagnostic X-radiation,

> comes from

> W. Gofman, M.D., Ph. D., Professor Emeritus, Molecular and Cell

> Biology,

> University of California, Berkeley. Here is the URL to the Google search

> that lists

> many sites where you will find that, * " **Medical radiation is a highly

> important cause

> (probably the principal cause) of cancer mortality in the United States

> during the

> Twentieth Century. Medical radiation means, primarily, exposure by xrays

> (including fluoroscopy and CT scans). " *And further,* " Medical radiation,

> received

> even at very low and moderate doses, is an important cause of death from

> Ischemic Heart Disease; the probable mechanism is radiation-induction of

> mutations in the coronary arteries, resulting in dysfunctional clones

> (mini-tumors)

> of smooth muscle cells. "

> **

> http://www.google. com/search? hl=en & q=+ W.+Gofman+ %2B+X-ray & btnG=Search

>

> mikeO

> ++++++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +++++

> ***On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 1:58 AM, <babyelrayess@ aol.com> wrote:

>

> > Yesterday I went to a new dentist, and of course I had to get the first

> > visit X-Ray's done. Well I ended up taking a total of 16 X-rays. I asked

> > the

> > doc before getting them done if it would still be safe to nurse my son

> > after

> > getting them done, and she said there should not be a problem. I left out

> > of

> > there with a terrible migraine which I noticed happened shortly after

> > getting

> > the 16 X-rays of my teeth. I had to stop at a store before getting home to

> >

> > get water because I felt a lot of dizziness. When I did get home, I went

> > straight to bed because of how ill I felt. Now I am wondering if what

> > happened to

> > me, could have been the effects from the radiation?? Having this done, I

> > am

> > questioning if I should trust the docs word about the nursing. I am

> > wondering exactly how safe it is to nurse after having X-rays? If anyone

> > could help

> > it would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Cat

> >

> > ************ **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.

> > (

> > http://living. aol.com/video/ how-to-please- your-picky- eater/rachel-

campos-duffy/

> > 2050827?NCID= aolcmp0030000000 2598)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

report about shallow hip socket

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050309140857.htm

Joe

Marie Quisenberry <leesamarie2828@...> wrote:

My daughter (almost 7 months old) has had 4 x-rays now for a shallow hip socket.

No one responded to my post on the OTVAX board re: this and if anyone knew of

alternate treatments for the condition. It is so stressful, I know they are so

bad for her but the doctor makes us feel like if we don't aggressively treat

this she could have a permanent problem or need surgery and I just can't find

much information on it. My gut feeling tells me to stop the treatment and she

will be fine but I would feel horrible if she had to have surgery because I took

her out of the brace.

Marie Quisenberry

leesamarie2828@...

Re: X-rays

That is just so nice to hear when I have had more x-rays in the last four

months that most people have in a lifetime. Three cat scans and about 12

different x-rays.

Fun stuff.

Sara

---- ODonnell <odonnell.williammic haelgmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> Hello Cat:

>

> I have resisted doctors and dentists when they have told me that they

> " needed " to have regular, frequent or obviously unnecessary x-ray exposure

> for many years and it can be a tough task, indeed. They are always ready

> with their reasons why these diagnostic exposures to ionizing radiation are

> a necessity. There have been numerous occasions when the doctor or dental

> hygienist would tell me strongly HINT that if I did not cooperate and

> submit,

> I could be dropped from their practice; I have prevailed so far and have

> GREATLY

> reduced my exposure from what the doctors, especially dentists, would like.

> The most important source for information about the real damage done to

> our

> bodies by ionizing radiation, especially medical diagnostic X-radiation,

> comes from

> W. Gofman, M.D., Ph. D., Professor Emeritus, Molecular and Cell

> Biology,

> University of California, Berkeley. Here is the URL to the Google search

> that lists

> many sites where you will find that, * " **Medical radiation is a highly

> important cause

> (probably the principal cause) of cancer mortality in the United States

> during the

> Twentieth Century. Medical radiation means, primarily, exposure by xrays

> (including fluoroscopy and CT scans). " *And further,* " Medical radiation,

> received

> even at very low and moderate doses, is an important cause of death from

> Ischemic Heart Disease; the probable mechanism is radiation-induction of

> mutations in the coronary arteries, resulting in dysfunctional clones

> (mini-tumors)

> of smooth muscle cells. "

> **

> http://www.google. com/search? hl=en & q=+ W.+Gofman+ %2B+X-ray &

btnG=Search

>

> mikeO

> ++++++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++ +++++++++

+++++

> ***On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 1:58 AM, <babyelrayess@ aol.com> wrote:

>

> > Yesterday I went to a new dentist, and of course I had to get the first

> > visit X-Ray's done. Well I ended up taking a total of 16 X-rays. I asked

> > the

> > doc before getting them done if it would still be safe to nurse my son

> > after

> > getting them done, and she said there should not be a problem. I left out

> > of

> > there with a terrible migraine which I noticed happened shortly after

> > getting

> > the 16 X-rays of my teeth. I had to stop at a store before getting home to

> >

> > get water because I felt a lot of dizziness. When I did get home, I went

> > straight to bed because of how ill I felt. Now I am wondering if what

> > happened to

> > me, could have been the effects from the radiation?? Having this done, I

> > am

> > questioning if I should trust the docs word about the nursing. I am

> > wondering exactly how safe it is to nurse after having X-rays? If anyone

> > could help

> > it would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Cat

> >

> > ************ **Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.

> > (

> > http://living. aol.com/video/ how-to-please- your-picky- eater/rachel-

campos-duffy/

> > 2050827?NCID= aolcmp0030000000 2598)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> hi folks its mel once again. the advice you have been giving is absolutely

great and deeply appreciated. i have a new question. several years ago i

worked for the state of ohio in one of their prisons. i worked in the medical

department. we had a very old x-ray machine that was malfunctioning for years

and emitting way to much radiation. the inmates found a way to harness this and

i, my boss and the warden were all radiated over a period of time. i'm the only

one left. the other two died of various blood disorders. i know aproximately

how much radiation i recieved and along with my doctor am quite sure this is the

cause of my lukemia. because it took so long to manifest i can't find an

attorney to proceed to help me. any suggestions???

________________________

Hi Mel,

It definitely sounds like a connection and a very likely cause of your

leukemia.....but the problem always is proving it. I think this type of case

takes a long time, and an attorney would have to work who knows, maybe years,

without compensation waiting for a big settlement that makes it

worthwhile........and I guess you have struck out finding one willing to do

that. Maybe you can get someone to write a book? and then a movie? depends how

good the story is.

Like the attorneys have told you, a lot of life took place between the exposure

and you getting CML, so what else contributed? if it was more than just you,

more than one person.....so maybe the families of the other 2 involved that have

died from blood diseases are interested? that is more of a story.

Then I guess you have to ask why you want to do this? and how big of a piece of

your life are you willing to invest in doing it. And actually I think this is

the biggest question.

C.