flu shot?

[Guest guest]

My son Cameron is a perfect example of why some children should get flu

shots. When Cameron has the flu he is sicker than any child I know of. He

will vomit for 3 days straight even throwing up bile and spit every hour or

so. I can't give tylenol or anything else because he throws it up

immediately. I have to use suppositories which I hate to use. He doesn't

sleep and of course mom doesn't either and he vomits all over the house

initially, up steps, in his bed and mine, on the carpet, everywhere. He

doesn't talk and cannot tell me in the middle of the night that he has

vomitted or is sick so he trys to crawl in bed with me and it is messy.

We've been getting the flu shot for the last 3 years and he's only had 1

very mild episode. The flu shot doesn't catch every strain but it has

definitely helped us. I can't see why some of you don't get the flu shot

but it has been a life saver for us.

Cheryl Cepek

Mom of Cameron 3q deletion, apraxia, S.I.D.

[ ] Re: Flu shot?

If what they said in the school newsletter is true, then I think it

must be new. To the best of my knowledge, last year was the first

year that the AAP recommended flu shots for children with underlying

medical conditions. I remember this, because I discussed it with my

pediatrician because though my son has a seizure disorder, that was

not listed as one of the " conditions " that would warrant receiving

the vaccine. We did decide to give it to him, and will do so again

this year.

Our pediatrician said that the vaccines that they have in our

pediatrics department are thimerisol-free, as opposed to the ones

that are used in adults and in the larger " flu shot clinics " . This

is only my understanding of this...I could be wrong.

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[Guest guest]

Ah, I was trying to say, I CAN see why some of you don't get flu shots.

Messed up my sentence, sorry!

Cheryl

RE: [ ] Re: Flu shot?

The flu shot doesn't catch every strain but it has

definitely helped us. I can't see why some of you don't get the flu shot

but it has been a life saver for us.

Cheryl Cepek

Mom of Cameron 3q deletion, apraxia, S.I.D.

[Guest guest]

Hi

OK now I'm really confused.

So how often do kids( and real people LOL) in The USA get the flu?

I am forty ** (!) and I have had the real flu ( the ones that the jab

is for) once. And my kids 10, 7 and 1 have never had it.Hubby has

never had it.

They have had severe colds where they get the chills and a temp too

and have even had associated loose bowels. But the REAL flu where you

are in bed for at least a week and have very high temp and often

associated chest problems - never.

Isn't it only one in one hundred thousand to make an epedemic ?

- so is there an epedemic of flu every year over there to make flu so

prevalent? Are there some stats somewhere explaining why there is

such a big prob- does any one have an url?

I'm really intrigued ......

Regards

Deborah

PS

Cheryl. I absoloutely understand why you make that descision - poor

little man. I respect your decision totally

Where I disagree with you is where you say that the seriousness of

his symptoms is what affects the choice to have the jab or not. I

don't believe that is the case with mums like me. I would not give

Charlie the flu jab even if he had symptoms as severe as Camerons. My

genuine, honestly held belief is that jabs cause damage to the child,

their gut, their central nervous system and their brain. So no

ammount of vommitting, however distressing would let me accept damage

to his CNS and brain as a choice. In fact having a child with such a

sensitive gut would make me even more wary of jabs .

Having confidence that the jabs are safe is what allows you to make

the choice that is right for you and right for Cameron. If I had that

confidence I'm sure I would make the same decision.

> My son Cameron is a perfect example of why some children should get

flu

> shots. When Cameron has the flu he is sicker than any child I know

of. He

> will vomit for 3 days straight even throwing up bile and spit every

hour or

> so. I can't give tylenol or anything else because he throws it up

> immediately. I have to use suppositories which I hate to use. He

doesn't

> sleep and of course mom doesn't either and he vomits all over the

house

> initially, up steps, in his bed and mine, on the carpet,

everywhere. He

> doesn't talk and cannot tell me in the middle of the night that he

has

> vomitted or is sick so he trys to crawl in bed with me and it is

messy.

> We've been getting the flu shot for the last 3 years and he's only

had 1

> very mild episode. The flu shot doesn't catch every strain but it

has

> definitely helped us. I can't see why some of you don't get the

flu shot

> but it has been a life saver for us.

>

> Cheryl Cepek

> Mom of Cameron 3q deletion, apraxia, S.I.D.

> [ ] Re: Flu shot?

>

>

> If what they said in the school newsletter is true, then I think it

> must be new. To the best of my knowledge, last year was the first

> year that the AAP recommended flu shots for children with underlying

> medical conditions. I remember this, because I discussed it with my

> pediatrician because though my son has a seizure disorder, that was

> not listed as one of the " conditions " that would warrant receiving

> the vaccine. We did decide to give it to him, and will do so again

> this year.

>

> Our pediatrician said that the vaccines that they have in our

> pediatrics department are thimerisol-free, as opposed to the ones

> that are used in adults and in the larger " flu shot clinics " . This

> is only my understanding of this...I could be wrong.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It changes every year, and sometimes it's not. Some people are more

susceptible to it than others. If you have a fever with a cold,

then it is probably the flu. Plain old colds don't have fevers with

them.

I get it every year if I don't get the shot. If you don't live or

work in a crowded area, you may not get it. Before I had kids, I

got it from my co-workers. People always came into work even if

they had fevers. (I wished they would stay home.)

After I had kids, we were around a lot of kids. was in

preschool starting at 2 years old.

I usually get sick for at least a week, but I've been laid up for 2

weeks sometimes. I get very high fevers 103-104, and then I get a

bad cough that lasts for weeks. I'm not all the way over it for a

month.

The twins have never had the flu because they always get the flu

shot. They get very sick with colds. gets bad sinus

infections and a little asthma, and gets very bad asthma.

usually has to be put on steroids several times a year just

from a cold, and it would be worse with the flu. I'd take a flu

shot any day over the steroids. Steroids are really nasty

medications to avoid.

[Guest guest]

Deborah, what else is interesting is that with the new nasal flu

spray, which contains a live virus, the potential for the flu virus

to be spread by THESE people is a real concern. So now we have the

potential for the vaccinated to be making the rest of us get exposed

to the flu by them sneezing and putting their hands on shopping

carts, etc. Doesn't seem to make sense as to why they are promoting

this does it? Except that it means now that there will be more

demand the *following* year for the flu shot by all the people who

did get exposed this year, and then both companies will stand to make

even *more profits*! All we can hope for is that next year, they

will stand by their promise to make mercury-free vaccines available

to kids and adults alike. But I'm not holding my breath. Especially

since I just found out that the Fluzone just contains it as a

stabilizer and not a " preservative " and that this has been misleading

the American public into thinking it is thimerosal free!

Yes, I am cynical! :-)

W

> Hi

> Goodness I'm curious !

> Is this something that moms have

> to contemplate each year ? Is it common to have this jab - just

> routine people ?

> Just curious

> Regards

> Deborah

[Guest guest]

> I was wondering about your thoughts on giving an apraxic child the

> flu shot.

>

Hi Anita,

I have been getting the flu shot for my son since he was about about

2 or 3 years old. He also has alergies and seasonal asthma. With

him not being able to blow his nose, any cold went right to his

chest and got worse. He has had no problems at all with them. He is

now 13 yrs old and never had the flu.

Alison

[Guest guest]

anitar wrote:

>

>

> I was wondering about your thoughts on giving an apraxic child the

> flu shot.

>

Our Ped specifically asks parents with kids with any neurological

concern not to give flu shots. They don't have any (at our practice)

without the thimeresol. So my son doesn't get the shot but my daughter

does. Each Ped has to weigh out the risks and benefits for each kid

though. My son has had occasional reactive airway stuff but we felt

like that was more treatable for him than the slight risk of the mercury.

[Guest guest]

HI Anita-- there was some discussion on this topic not too long ago,

so if you want to search the archives on the board, you'll find a

variety of opinions. In a nutshell, I think you should read through

the Geier's study on the link between mercury (which is in the flu

shot--25 micrograms for the Fluzone, which is the children's brand)

http://www.aapsonline.org/alerts/autismalert.htm

IMHO, the cumulative effects of mercury are damaging, as the Geier's

have stated in their study.

If you feel you absolutely must give in to the pressure to give a flu

vaccine, the only one you should submit to is the PRESERVATIVE FREE

FLUZONE by Aventis Pasteur. It contains 1 microgram of mercury as

compared to the 25 microgram variety. It was a special-order item

only, and some doctor's ordered it in advance...some did not. You

really need to see the BOX or PACKAGE INSERT to make sure it says

Preservative Free Fluzone and not just Fluzone before you let them

inject your child.

I do not get my son the flu shot anymore. He has asthma. He is

healthier without it. Yes, I suppose he could be one of the rare few

who has a serious complication from the flu but I've also been

chelating him for mercury and other metals and he would regress if I

gave him any more shots. So I will do what I can to keep him healthy

and if he gets the flu, we'll work with our doctor on how to handle

it.

W

> Hi Everone,

>

> I was wondering about your thoughts on giving an apraxic child the

> flu shot.

>

> Thanks,

> Anita

[Guest guest]

Hi

at the risk of screaming or tearing my hair out , or just sitting

down and crying - this has been discussed at length - considerable

and sometimes emotional length - in recent weeks. If you go to the

message board you can just go back manually or use the search

function.

I hope this dosen't sound cross I am just tired - but i genuinely

belive that many children are developing apraxia etc as a result of

vaccinations and although I enter the debate I find it pretty

hard........( as I know do others with the completely opposite view

to mine ).

Would you mind searching.........

Regards

Deborah

[Guest guest]

My daughters almost died of a respiratory virus when they were

little. Complications from the virus caused 's brain damage,

and that is why she is apraxic.

Both girls have asthma, and are at high risk for complications due

to flu. I also have asthma, and we all get the flu shot.

No problems from it.

> Hi Everone,

>

> I was wondering about your thoughts on giving an apraxic child the

> flu shot.

>

> Thanks,

> Anita

[Guest guest]

has anyone tried the homeopathic remedy for flu?i worked at a health

food store and people bought this stuff like crazy .everyone swore it

worked if you took it at the first onset of symptoms.i tried it i

believe it works!!!! you can give it to children 2 and over. ive

given it to my son now 6 numerous times.it has no side effects its

safe (cant hurt to try)doesnt taste bad, its tiny little pellets that

taste like sugar . you disolve it under your tongue. this may be the

only drawback i know especially for little kids. ive taken it every

time i felt like i was coming down with the flu. my whole family now

believes me . you must take it at the first onset of symptoms though

or it doesnt work. the name is oscillococcinum made by boiron.

healthfoodstores have it and i once got it at walmart even though

they said they never heard of it. it works for me and my family ,we

dont get flu shots and we havent gotten the flu in years. i suggest

this because i believe it . hope it helps someone it definitely wont

hurt.oh yeah i read somewhere that if you take it once a week during

cold season you wont get a cold.doesnt say that on box though but i

did read it somewhere.only trying to help hope it does

> Hi Everone,

>

> I was wondering about your thoughts on giving an apraxic child the

> flu shot.

>

> Thanks,

> Anita

[Guest guest]

Over on the board they were just discussing

oscillococcinum recently. There were quite a few people who said

that yes, it has worked wonders for them and their kids. Homeopathy

poses no risk to the person using it and it will not interfere with

any medicines being taken. It is worth a try. Homeopathy has a long

history of use over in Europe and it is starting to show up in more

and more mainstream stores here in the US too. Which is nice.

I've used different homeopathic remedies for myself and the kids for

various symptoms, and also a homeopathic ear drop for the two times

that Ethan has had fluid behind the eardrum, but I hadn't heard of

this one for the flu until I read about it on the enzymes board.

Your post reminds me to put it on my shopping list tomorrow to have

some on hand this season!

W

--- In , " mjsb34 " <mjsb34@y...>

wrote:

> has anyone tried the homeopathic remedy for flu?i worked at a

health

> food store and people bought this stuff like crazy .everyone swore

it

> worked if you took it at the first onset of symptoms.i tried it i

> believe it works!!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi again everyone,

Thanks for the info on the flu shot.

Sincerely,

Anita

luckygmstwife <suzi_knowles@...> wrote:

My daughters almost died of a respiratory virus when they were

little. Complications from the virus caused 's brain damage,

and that is why she is apraxic.

Both girls have asthma, and are at high risk for complications due

to flu. I also have asthma, and we all get the flu shot.

No problems from it.

> Hi Everone,

>

> I was wondering about your thoughts on giving an apraxic child the

> flu shot.

>

> Thanks,

> Anita

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/4/03 6:37:12 AM Central Standard Time,

Kathleen_E@... writes:

> (We had a long

> discussion on the list about this whole issue last month...see the

> archives.)

How can I get to the archives and what is the thread topic listed under?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

However, if your pediatrician does think the flu shot is a good idea,

make sure that he or she orders the " preservative free " FluZone--which

does have some mercury but only 1/25th the amount of the others,

including the regular FluZone. And you can tell, because the syringe

plunger will be made of pink plastic if you are getting the right one.

There aren't any preservative-free flu injections. (We had a long

discussion on the list about this whole issue last month...see the

archives.)

Peace,

Kathy E.

[Guest guest]

-

Hi

you click the box at the top of the message box called

- " Search Archive "

The subject was broadly under the " blah blah hitting our youngest

blah " (really sorry LOL can't remember its name).......but if you

just enter sokmething like " flu vaccine " it will pull all the

comments in reverse date order. Then you can just work back.

HTH

Deborah

-- In , pezolts@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/4/03 6:37:12 AM Central Standard Time,

> Kathleen_E@u... writes:

>

> > (We had a long

> > discussion on the list about this whole issue last month...see

the

> > archives.)

>

> How can I get to the archives and what is the thread topic listed

under?

> Thanks

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What is the name of the homeopathy remedy?

I missed the earlier post.

Thanks.

----- Original Message -----

From: merrywbee

[Guest guest]

Do you mean the homeopathic remedy for the flu?

It is called Oscillococcinum. The manufacturer is Boiron. I haven't

used it before-- several parents on an autism board swear by it and

were suggesting it when this conversation of " what else can we do to

help with the flu " was coming up.

You can find it online or in the health food section of a grocery

store/health food store.

W

> What is the name of the homeopathy remedy?

> I missed the earlier post.

>

> Thanks.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: merrywbee

[Guest guest]

, is this better for prevention or once you have it? <cough cough> <sniff

sniff>, lol

~Karyn

[Guest guest]

Take it at the first sign of any symptom...maybe too late...Peace,

Kathy E.

On Dec 13, 2003, at 5:41 PM, Karyn wrote:

> , is this better for prevention or once you have it? <cough cough>

> <sniff sniff>, lol

>

> ~Karyn

>

>

[Guest guest]

You take it at the first signs of a flu.

W

> , is this better for prevention or once you have it? <cough

cough> <sniff sniff>, lol

>

> ~Karyn

[Guest guest]

thanks Kathy and

I've had this going on a month now....at the point that I am so weak I've even

stopped my daily walking and exercising.....

Seeing the doc on Tuesday.

Thanks .

~K

[Guest guest]

I'll just pass along this little tidbit, which seems like a " DUH "

thing (it was to me), but has made all the difference in the world

knowing whether you had a cold or the flu.

My son's pediatrician said this is kinda the golden rule: a cold only

lasts 7-10 days. If it lasts longer than that, whether it's worse or

the same, then it's not a cold. That's when you need to go see him

to get the Tamiflu or whatever else heavy duty stuff you need to kick

whatever you have out of your system.

I can tell you that ever since he gave me that little piece of

advice, it has rung SO true for us. Drew just got over a sinus

infection recently, and a few days later, he seemed to have yet more

runny nose and cough symptoms again. I'm thinking, oh great, not

again, we just went through this. I waited it out, and in a little

less than a week, I've seen it get better, so I know this time it's a

cold. I've been going through the same thing, and sure enough, in a

week it was gone.

Hope this is helpful!

le (mom to Drew 2.6, apraxia and SI)

[Guest guest]

With colds you don't have a fever and with the flu you do. That's

one of the major differences.

The tamiflu only workds if you take it with the first 24-48 hours of

getting a fever with the flu.

> I'll just pass along this little tidbit, which seems like a " DUH "

> thing (it was to me), but has made all the difference in the world

> knowing whether you had a cold or the flu.

>

> My son's pediatrician said this is kinda the golden rule: a cold

only

> lasts 7-10 days. If it lasts longer than that, whether it's worse

or

> the same, then it's not a cold. That's when you need to go see

him

> to get the Tamiflu or whatever else heavy duty stuff you need to

kick

> whatever you have out of your system.

>

> I can tell you that ever since he gave me that little piece of

> advice, it has rung SO true for us. Drew just got over a sinus

> infection recently, and a few days later, he seemed to have yet

more

> runny nose and cough symptoms again. I'm thinking, oh great, not

> again, we just went through this. I waited it out, and in a

little

> less than a week, I've seen it get better, so I know this time

it's a

> cold. I've been going through the same thing, and sure enough, in

a

> week it was gone.

>

> Hope this is helpful!

>

> le (mom to Drew 2.6, apraxia and SI)

[Guest guest]

yes-- this is a biggie as it's a live virus that is given

bek

In a message dated 10/16/2008 8:25:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

lizlaw@... writes:

I thought also there was a problem with the mist spreading the flu as

well.

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