RE: Wall Street Journal on French Medical Care

[Guest guest]

Lottie, that may be me you're talking about????  I really don't favor the French

health care, I know nothing about it.  but I have heard it is so great and

wondered why and what was so great and what could we do to make ours as

great....apparently, not much!!! Bobby

a (Bobby) Doyle Brecksville, Ohio, USA DX 05/1995 02/2000 - Gleevec

Trial/OHSU 06/2002 - Gleevec/Trisenox Trial/OHSU 06/2003 - Gleevec/Zarnestra

Trial/OHSU 04/2004 - Sprycel Trial/MDACC, CCR in 10 months #840  -   Zavie's

Zero Club 09/2006 -  out of CCR 04/29/08 - XL228 Trial/ U.of Michigan

06/02/08 - CCR ( in 4 weeks)

02/13/09 - XL trial ended due to side effects

04/13/09 - New Trial, Ariad / U. of Mich./ Dr. Talpaz

 

From: Lottie Duthu <lotajam@...>

Subject: [ ] Wall Street Journal on French Medical Care

" CML " < >

Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 1:40 PM

 

For proponents who favor the French Medical care system, I

invite you to read this article in the Wall Street Journal and decide for

yourself. I have quoted 2 paragraphs, please read the rest of the article by

going to the link on the bottom.

" France claims it long ago achieved much of what today's U.S. health-care

overhaul is seeking: It covers everyone, and provides what supporters say is

high-quality care. But soaring costs are pushing the system into crisis. The

result: As Congress fights over whether America should be more like France, the

French government is trying to borrow U.S. tactics.

" In recent months, France imposed American-style " co-pays " on patients to try to

throttle back prescription- drug costs and forced state hospitals to crack down

on expenses. " A hospital doesn't need to be money-losing to provide good-quality

treatment, " President Nicolas Sarkozy thundered in a recent speech to doctors. "

http://online. wsj.com/article/ SB12495804924151 1735.html

FYI,

Lottie Duthu

[Guest guest]

The French government does a heck of a lot of subsidizing, including of

parochial schools. I was stunned in a French class to learn about the kinds of

benefits folks take for granted. I thought, " Hey, that's for me! " Still, it's

easy to see how the bills could mount up pretty fast.

From: rcd1929@...

Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:29:09 -0700

Subject: Re: [ ] Wall Street Journal on French Medical Care

Lottie, that may be me you're talking about???? I really

don't favor the French health care, I know nothing about it. but I have heard

it is so great and wondered why and what was so great and what could we do to

make ours as great....apparently, not much!!! Bobby

a (Bobby) Doyle Brecksville, Ohio, USA DX 05/1995 02/2000 - Gleevec

Trial/OHSU 06/2002 - Gleevec/Trisenox Trial/OHSU 06/2003 - Gleevec/Zarnestra

Trial/OHSU 04/2004 - Sprycel Trial/MDACC, CCR in 10 months #840 - Zavie's

Zero Club 09/2006 - out of CCR 04/29/08 - XL228 Trial/ U.of Michigan

06/02/08 - CCR ( in 4 weeks)

02/13/09 - XL trial ended due to side effects

04/13/09 - New Trial, Ariad / U. of Mich./ Dr. Talpaz

From: Lottie Duthu <lotajam@...>

Subject: [ ] Wall Street Journal on French Medical Care

" CML " < >

Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 1:40 PM

For proponents who favor the French Medical care system, I invite you to read

this article in the Wall Street Journal and decide for yourself. I have quoted

2 paragraphs, please read the rest of the article by going to the link on the

bottom.

" France claims it long ago achieved much of what today's U.S. health-care

overhaul is seeking: It covers everyone, and provides what supporters say is

high-quality care. But soaring costs are pushing the system into crisis. The

result: As Congress fights over whether America should be more like France, the

French government is trying to borrow U.S. tactics.

" In recent months, France imposed American-style " co-pays " on patients to try to

throttle back prescription- drug costs and forced state hospitals to crack down

on expenses. " A hospital doesn't need to be money-losing to provide good-quality

treatment, " President Nicolas Sarkozy thundered in a recent speech to doctors. "

http://online. wsj.com/article/ SB12495804924151 1735.html

FYI,

Lottie Duthu

[Guest guest]

Much of the debate we are having is good and healthful! It is great to

discuss the pros and cons about an important subject and work together to

produce the best possible solution to our mutual problem.

There has been a lot of discussion about the UK, Canadian and, now, French

health care systems and their problems. I would like to lay before you three

talking points.

1. No current healthcare system, public or private, is without its problems.

The American healthcare system leaves a huge segment of society without

adequate care and it is bankrupting the rest.

2. The plan(s) currently under discussion in the U.S. House of

Representatives is most closely related to the German/Swiss/Austrian model.

No one is suggesting the UK/Canadian plan and I really doubt there is much

support for a French version either.

3. The single most important component of any healthcare reform is cost

containment. The article I recommend in " The New Yorker " addresses the

seriousness of this issue and the enormous problem of a new paradigm

emerging in the medical community.

Unfortunately, much of the current debate reminds me of my pastoral days.

There was always somebody in the church body who would udder the phrase " I'm

ahh-gin it! " whenever a new suggestion was offered. I truly hope and pray

that we can move beyond that stage and begin a reasonable discussion to

resolve the problems which exist, today, in our system.

Respectfully submitted,

Troxel

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Lottie Duthu <lotajam@...> wrote:

>

>

> For proponents who favor the French Medical care system, I invite you to

> read this article in the Wall Street Journal and decide for yourself. I have

> quoted 2 paragraphs, please read the rest of the article by going to the

> link on the bottom.

> " France claims it long ago achieved much of what today's U.S. health-care

> overhaul is seeking: It covers everyone, and provides what supporters say is

> high-quality care. But soaring costs are pushing the system into crisis. The

> result: As Congress fights over whether America should be more like France,

> the French government is trying to borrow U.S. tactics.

>

> " In recent months, France imposed American-style " co-pays " on patients to

> try to throttle back prescription-drug costs and forced state hospitals to

> crack down on expenses. " A hospital doesn't need to be money-losing to

> provide good-quality treatment, " President Nicolas Sarkozy thundered in a

> recent speech to doctors. "

>

> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124958049241511735.html

>

> FYI,

>

> Lottie Duthu

>

>

[Guest guest]

The article is pretty inaccurate, beside the obvious bias. Private and

public health insurances have been mixed for decades in France. I had

a private insurance on top of the Assurance Maladie since I started

working, and I was on my parents private one before that. Hospitals

and clinics and general plublic services like posts offices have been

closing in rural areas for decades, as there is a general

desertification of the country side in favor of agglomeration for 50

years in all western Europe, nothing new there. Public or private, the

system has to keep some level of efficiency. Also I have many friends

drs in France and none of them is starving, they are doing pretty well

actually. But you will always find the guy to complain he can't afford

to get his 5th Porche. The French system isn't perfect, nothing is.

Health care cost and aging population is a general problem in all

developed countries and as far as I know nobody found the magic bullet

yet. Also the article seems to see the French president as some kind

of supreme rational being, but like Obama, Bush and others, he's first

a politician and a fairly partisan one.

Marcos.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Lottie Duthu<lotajam@...> wrote:

>

>

> For proponents who favor the French Medical care system, I invite you to

> read this article in the Wall Street Journal and decide for yourself. I have

> quoted 2 paragraphs, please read the rest of the article by going to the

> link on the bottom.

> " France claims it long ago achieved much of what today's U.S. health-care

> overhaul is seeking: It covers everyone, and provides what supporters say is

> high-quality care. But soaring costs are pushing the system into crisis. The

> result: As Congress fights over whether America should be more like France,

> the French government is trying to borrow U.S. tactics.

>

> " In recent months, France imposed American-style " co-pays " on patients to

> try to throttle back prescription-drug costs and forced state hospitals to

> crack down on expenses. " A hospital doesn't need to be money-losing to

> provide good-quality treatment, " President Nicolas Sarkozy thundered in a

> recent speech to doctors. "

>

> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124958049241511735.html

>

> FYI,

>

> Lottie Duthu

>

>

[Guest guest]

Amen!

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: [ ] Wall Street Journal on French Medical Care

Much of the debate we are having is good and healthful! It is great to

discuss the pros and cons about an important subject and work together to

produce the best possible solution to our mutual problem.

There has been a lot of discussion about the UK, Canadian and, now, French

health care systems and their problems. I would like to lay before you three

talking points.

1. No current healthcare system, public or private, is without its problems.

The American healthcare system leaves a huge segment of society without

adequate care and it is bankrupting the rest.

2. The plan(s) currently under discussion in the U.S. House of

Representatives is most closely related to the German/Swiss/Austrian model.

No one is suggesting the UK/Canadian plan and I really doubt there is much

support for a French version either.

3. The single most important component of any healthcare reform is cost

containment. The article I recommend in " The New Yorker " addresses the

seriousness of this issue and the enormous problem of a new paradigm

emerging in the medical community.

Unfortunately, much of the current debate reminds me of my pastoral days.

There was always somebody in the church body who would udder the phrase " I'm

ahh-gin it! " whenever a new suggestion was offered. I truly hope and pray

that we can move beyond that stage and begin a reasonable discussion to

resolve the problems which exist, today, in our system.

Respectfully submitted,

Troxel

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Lottie Duthu <lotajam@...> wrote:

>

>

> For proponents who favor the French Medical care system, I invite you to

> read this article in the Wall Street Journal and decide for yourself. I have

> quoted 2 paragraphs, please read the rest of the article by going to the

> link on the bottom.

> " France claims it long ago achieved much of what today's U.S. health-care

> overhaul is seeking: It covers everyone, and provides what supporters say is

> high-quality care. But soaring costs are pushing the system into crisis. The

> result: As Congress fights over whether America should be more like France,

> the French government is trying to borrow U.S. tactics.

>

> " In recent months, France imposed American-style " co-pays " on patients to

> try to throttle back prescription-drug costs and forced state hospitals to

> crack down on expenses. " A hospital doesn't need to be money-losing to

> provide good-quality treatment, " President Nicolas Sarkozy thundered in a

> recent speech to doctors. "

>

> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124958049241511735.html

>

> FYI,

>

> Lottie Duthu

>

>