Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 I'm going to play the heretic here and ask why, with all this talk about whether or not we CLLers should get vaccinated, no one is questioning the safety of the flu vaccine itself. Based on my reading on the issue, I believe the flu would be less dangerous than the vaccine, especially for children. I have an entire list of articles that warn of the risks from the vaccine. Are we really that trusting in the vaccine makers and the safety of their products, many of which have received minimal or no testing, hidden ingredients known as adjuvants, thimerosal, and god knows what else? If interested, write me and I'll send you a list of articles that raise multiple red flags. And I have not even touched upon the political implications of mandatory vaccinations, draconian laws passed in Massachusetts, or martial law. Believe what you want to believe, but make it an informed belief, from sources other than television and corporate controlled newspapers. Sincerely, Lorenz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 I've been hearing about this, as well, and would be interested in receiving those articles - thanks! I know of someone from the department of health who says that it's fairly overblown as a flu to begin with. I'll have to ask her what she thinks about the vaccine... > > > I'm going to play the heretic here and ask why, with all this talk > about whether or not we CLLers should get vaccinated, no one > is questioning the safety of the flu vaccine itself. > > Based on my reading on the issue, I believe the flu would be less > dangerous than the vaccine, especially for children. > > I have an entire list of articles that warn of the risks from the vaccine. > > Are we really that trusting in the vaccine makers and the safety of > their products, many of which have received minimal or no testing, hidden > ingredients known as adjuvants, thimerosal, and god knows what else? > > If interested, write me and I'll send you a list of articles > that raise multiple red flags. And I have not even touched upon the > political implications of mandatory vaccinations, draconian laws passed > in Massachusetts, or martial law. > > Believe what you want to believe, but make it an informed belief, from > sources other than television and corporate controlled newspapers. > > Sincerely, > > > Lorenz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Well put, . I think concerns are related to a false belief that vaccinations cause autism, even though that has been dismissed, the myth lives on. One report anticipated the problem nicely. A physician said up front that X thousand miscarriages occur in the US annually - anticipating that vaccination will be similarly blamed for miscarriages of pregnant women who are vaccined for H1N1. ~Karl > - it has to be a vaccine with a DEAD virus - then it is certainly safer than getting the flu - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 , Your assumption that the vaccine is safer than the flu may be invalid. I'm not one of the conspiracy theorists who are convinced that vaccines cause autism and many other ills. I simply don't know about that. But I have had two doctors with decades of experience say to steer clear of the H1N1 vaccine. Same goes of the cervical cancer vaccine for young women. Adam > > - it has to be a vaccine with a DEAD virus - then it is certainly > safer than getting the flu - > > > In a message dated 10/3/2009 3:09:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > plorenz7795@... writes: > > > > > > I'm going to play the heretic here and ask why, with all this talk > about whether or not we CLLers should get vaccinated, no one > is questioning the safety of the flu vaccine itself. > > Based on my reading on the issue, I believe the flu would be less > dangerous than the vaccine, especially for children. > > I have an entire list of articles that warn of the risks from the vaccine. > > Are we really that trusting in the vaccine makers and the safety of > their products, many of which have received minimal or no testing, hidden > ingredients known as adjuvants, thimerosal, and god knows what else? > > If interested, write me and I'll send you a list of articles > that raise multiple red flags. And I have not even touched upon the > political implications of mandatory vaccinations, draconian laws passed > in Massachusetts, or martial law. > > Believe what you want to believe, but make it an informed belief, from > sources other than television and corporate controlled newspapers. > > Sincerely, > > > Lorenz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Lets be careful spreading hearsay. There is vast amounts of data generated over time that the flu vaccine saves lives! The flu can kill up to 1% of the people it infects in a given season, but during severe outbreaks, that number can be much higher. 25-40,000,000 people died of flu worldwide in 1918, including almost 1,000,000 people in the US. The 1918 influenza pandemic was cause by a particularly virulent strain of H1N1 (different than the one circulating right now) that killed 20-30% of those infected. And please do not believe that modern medicine will be able to have an impact on this mortality should one become infected. There is nothing to do but supportive care for viral infections. The only means for preventing a recurrence of such a global disaster are vaccinations. Please, lets be responsible with out posts! Rick Furman, MD > > > > - it has to be a vaccine with a DEAD virus - then it is certainly > > safer than getting the flu - > > > > > > In a message dated 10/3/2009 3:09:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > plorenz7795@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm going to play the heretic here and ask why, with all this talk > > about whether or not we CLLers should get vaccinated, no one > > is questioning the safety of the flu vaccine itself. > > > > Based on my reading on the issue, I believe the flu would be less > > dangerous than the vaccine, especially for children. > > > > I have an entire list of articles that warn of the risks from the vaccine. > > > > Are we really that trusting in the vaccine makers and the safety of > > their products, many of which have received minimal or no testing, hidden > > ingredients known as adjuvants, thimerosal, and god knows what else? > > > > If interested, write me and I'll send you a list of articles > > that raise multiple red flags. And I have not even touched upon the > > political implications of mandatory vaccinations, draconian laws passed > > in Massachusetts, or martial law. > > > > Believe what you want to believe, but make it an informed belief, from > > sources other than television and corporate controlled newspapers. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Lorenz > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Sorry Emile, I didn't realize you were a man over the women. I have a girlfriend who spells her first name as Emilee. The thing about vaccination I never have ever gotten a flu shot, and that is because I don't support the thermosols which is the preservatives in the liquids of the vaccination. Plus you never know what the strain of flu is coming around and taking a vaccination to prevent a flu, isn't going to help one. I don't even have the kids vaccinated and they are all fine! Swine flu we're not scared. We take high Vitamin C 1000 mgs. of ( Ascorbic Acid, not the Carbonated one as reviewed by MSKCC-Memorial Sloan-Kettering Research, which was flawed), and Vitamin D3, because we don't have much sun-shine in the Winter months. I was DX in Nov. 2000, and I live on 400mgs. of Gleevec. It is a personal decision, however, I know no one even in my LLS support group at a Wellness House that goes for the flu shots. Dory Doggie ________________________________ From: Émile Fichault <ficho@...> CMLHopegooglegroups; Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 2:40:03 PM Subject: [ ] H1N1 flu vaccine What do you think about having the H1N1 flu vaccine ? Any of you already taken it ? What about side effects ? Emile # 527 Zavie's Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Emile, I agree with Dory, I do not take a flu shot either. Just take precautions with extra washing of the hands especially when out in the public. I was DX in April of 2007. Anita ________________________________ From: Dory Doggie <hellodoggie0009@...> Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 1:09:45 AM Subject: Re: [ ] H1N1 flu vaccine Sorry Emile, I didn't realize you were a man over the women. I have a girlfriend who spells her first name as Emilee. The thing about vaccination I never have ever gotten a flu shot, and that is because I don't support the thermosols which is the preservatives in the liquids of the vaccination. Plus you never know what the strain of flu is coming around and taking a vaccination to prevent a flu, isn't going to help one. I don't even have the kids vaccinated and they are all fine! Swine flu we're not scared. We take high Vitamin C 1000 mgs. of ( Ascorbic Acid, not the Carbonated one as reviewed by MSKCC-Memorial Sloan-Kettering Research, which was flawed), and Vitamin D3, because we don't have much sun-shine in the Winter months. I was DX in Nov. 2000, and I live on 400mgs. of Gleevec. It is a personal decision, however, I know no one even in my LLS support group at a Wellness House that goes for the flu shots. Dory Doggie ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Émile Fichault <fichovideotron (DOT) ca> CMLHope@googlegroup s.com; groups (DOT) com Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 2:40:03 PM Subject: [ ] H1N1 flu vaccine What do you think about having the H1N1 flu vaccine ? Any of you already taken it ? What about side effects ? Emile # 527 Zavie's Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 > The thing about vaccination I never have ever gotten a flu shot, and that is because I don't support the thermosols which is the preservatives in the liquids of the vaccination. Plus you never know what the > strain of flu is coming around and taking a vaccination to prevent a flu, isn't going to help one. _____________________ Both Dr. Talpaz and Dr. Druker recommend that their patients get the H1N1 vaccine.....but it is an individual decision. I figure that I have worked to hard to survive CML, I am not going to be knocked off by the flu!! or hospitalized. Dory....you can get an individual swine flu shot that does NOT have any preservative in it.....only the large vials for multiple shots have the perservative. I went to a Public Health swine flu shot clinic and if you were in the high risk category, they gave you the individual shot, so no preservative. Did not even have to ask...that was how it was set up. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 I agree with about not risking getting sick, so I went ahead and got the H1N1 vaccine. I've had no side effects. Fran from Alaska > > > > The thing about vaccination I never have ever gotten a flu shot, and that is because I don't support the thermosols which is the preservatives in the liquids of the vaccination. Plus you never know what the > > strain of flu is coming around and taking a vaccination to prevent a flu, isn't going to help one. > _____________________ > > Both Dr. Talpaz and Dr. Druker recommend that their patients get the H1N1 vaccine.....but it is an individual decision. I figure that I have worked to hard to survive CML, I am not going to be knocked off by the flu!! or hospitalized. > > Dory....you can get an individual swine flu shot that does NOT have any preservative in it.....only the large vials for multiple shots have the perservative. I went to a Public Health swine flu shot clinic and if you were in the high risk category, they gave you the individual shot, so no preservative. Did not even have to ask...that was how it was set up. > C. > Posted by: " Émile Fichault " ficho@... efichault Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:40 pm (PST) What do you think about having the H1N1 flu vaccine ? Any of you already taken it ? What about side effects ? Emile # 527 Zavie's Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 I did get the H1N1 vaccine--it is a fitness for duty requirement at the hospital where I work in Seattle (Virginia Mason), and I did have a slight reaction to it, I think. I had one evening of chilling and slight fever (99.5 degrees) and one episode of vomiting. The next day I was fine. I had both the regular flu and H1N1 vaccinations on the same day--so it may have been that that made me feel a bit sick. I think it was just my immune response kicking in. My heme/onc doctor told me to get the vaccines, also. Vicki > > What do you think about having the H1N1 flu vaccine ? > Any of you already taken it ? > What about side effects ? > > Emile > # 527 Zavie's Club > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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