Guest guest Posted September 30, 2000 Report Share Posted September 30, 2000 Dear Jaquelyn, What do these tests test for? What is Amy's protocol for nutrients? thank you, Re: [ ] Chelation-liver detox > Fiona: I have the Doctor's Data Urine D-Glucaric Acid test and sometimes > also the Mercapturic Acid test done on children I suspect may not be ready > for chelation, and if they are abnormal, especially the D-Glucaric, give > Amy's protocol for nutrients for several months and then check again. > Amazingly, several children have responded to the nutrients so well it was > if they were being chelated. Hope this helps. Jaquelyn > > fiona young wrote: > > > Listmates, > > Would it be advisable to check my son's ability to detox before > > beginning chelation? I am nervous about him being unable to dump > > anything that gets pulled out. has a tendency to do very > > well > > on a new regime/supplement and then regress. I am now starting to > > think this may be due to liver woes (my motherinlaw also thinks he > > looks slightly yellow around his nose/mouth at times). Jacks also > > seems to go a little toxic on the stuff I give him to help with detox > > such as essiac tea and milkthistle. Any suggestions? Thank you all. > > What a wonderful list when no one is fighting :0) > > Fiona > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2000 Report Share Posted September 30, 2000 Fiona: I have the Doctor's Data Urine D-Glucaric Acid test and sometimes also the Mercapturic Acid test done on children I suspect may not be ready for chelation, and if they are abnormal, especially the D-Glucaric, give Amy's protocol for nutrients for several months and then check again. Amazingly, several children have responded to the nutrients so well it was if they were being chelated. Hope this helps. Jaquelyn fiona young wrote: > Listmates, > Would it be advisable to check my son's ability to detox before > beginning chelation? I am nervous about him being unable to dump > anything that gets pulled out. has a tendency to do very > well > on a new regime/supplement and then regress. I am now starting to > think this may be due to liver woes (my motherinlaw also thinks he > looks slightly yellow around his nose/mouth at times). Jacks also > seems to go a little toxic on the stuff I give him to help with detox > such as essiac tea and milkthistle. Any suggestions? Thank you all. > What a wonderful list when no one is fighting :0) > Fiona > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2000 Report Share Posted September 30, 2000 These are Doctor " s Data tests that you have mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2000 Report Share Posted September 30, 2000 fiona young wrote: > Listmates, > Would it be advisable to check my son's ability to detox before > beginning chelation? I am nervous about him being unable to dump > anything that gets pulled out. has a tendency to do very > well > on a new regime/supplement and then regress. I am now starting to > think this may be due to liver woes (my motherinlaw also thinks he > looks slightly yellow around his nose/mouth at times). Jacks also > seems to go a little toxic on the stuff I give him to help with detox > such as essiac tea and milkthistle. Any suggestions? Thank you all. > What a wonderful list when no one is fighting :0) > Fiona Dear Fiona, Great Smokies offers something called Oxidative Stress Analysis. I think there is a blood test that goes along with this also. I'm gearing up to give my 14-year-old daughter (NT) this test. She has unusual reactions to medications which mirror my own. I'm waiting until she is home for two days so that I can monitor any unusual reactions. The urine portion of this test involves giving caffein, aspirin and tylenol. They then measure the metabolites in the urine and give an analysis of liver function plus recommendations for diet and supplements, what to add and what to avoid. You got me thinking about this and I am going to check back with the practitioner about what would counteract reactions to any of these test substances. I'd rather blow the test than end up in trouble. We once had a dangerous reaction to tylenol a few years ago but I am willing to risk this to discover what would be helpful and what would be necessary to avoid, long run. Because I'm familiar with my own difficult reactions to things, with my kids, I usually give supplements differently than suggested. First I check for an allergic reaction. A single dose, then see what comes of that. Then I'll often do a slightly higher than recommended dose to check for immediate toxicity. If the response shows something good happening, I pulse dose, I guess like the dmsa recommendations (we haven't started this yet). I usually give smaller than recommended dosages and don't give anything all the time, every day, to let the body really incorporate what's positive and necessary. I'm aiming for permanent shifts in metabolism and we seem to be seeing these. I regularly discontinue things to see what happens, and shift diet so we're not giving many supplements. This doesn't work for the fatty acids which seem to take weeks or months (at least for us) to show problems or benefits. After listening to a tape by Enig, I eliminated nearly all canola oil, soy oil, processed oils, trans fats, hydrogenated oils, etc., and got the best quality butter I could find. We seemed to lose the absence seizure type activity in my son that the school was complaining about. They even got a little sniffy about the fact that these went away without putting him on medications they were strongly (and just barely legally) recommending. My son is somewhat dairy sensitive, but seems to tolerate butter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2000 Report Share Posted September 30, 2000 , Like you, we were not happy about using the type of fats in margarine and our only breech of the c/f part of the diet is that we do use clarified butter. I melt butter in the microwave and pour off the fat leaving the milk behind. Then I stick it in the frig to harden. Once hard, I rinse it in water, and then do this whole prodecure again. At 9/30/2000 -050009:00 AM, you wrote: >fiona young wrote: > > > Listmates, > > Would it be advisable to check my son's ability to detox before > > beginning chelation? I am nervous about him being unable to dump > > anything that gets pulled out. has a tendency to do very > > well > > on a new regime/supplement and then regress. I am now starting to > > think this may be due to liver woes (my motherinlaw also thinks he > > looks slightly yellow around his nose/mouth at times). Jacks also > > seems to go a little toxic on the stuff I give him to help with detox > > such as essiac tea and milkthistle. Any suggestions? Thank you all. > > What a wonderful list when no one is fighting :0) > > Fiona > >Dear Fiona, > >Great Smokies offers something called Oxidative Stress Analysis. I think >there is a blood test that goes along with this also. I'm gearing up to >give my 14-year-old daughter (NT) this test. She has unusual reactions to >medications which mirror my own. I'm waiting until she is home for two days >so that I can monitor any unusual reactions. The urine portion of this test >involves giving caffein, aspirin and tylenol. They then measure the >metabolites in the urine and give an analysis of liver function plus >recommendations for diet and supplements, what to add and what to avoid. >You got me thinking about this and I am going to check back with the >practitioner about what would counteract reactions to any of these test >substances. I'd rather blow the test than end up in trouble. We once had a >dangerous reaction to tylenol a few years ago but I am willing to risk this >to discover what would be helpful and what would be necessary to avoid, long >run. > >Because I'm familiar with my own difficult reactions to things, with my >kids, I usually give supplements differently than suggested. First I check >for an allergic reaction. A single dose, then see what comes of that. Then >I'll often do a slightly higher than recommended dose to check for immediate >toxicity. If the response shows something good happening, I pulse dose, I >guess like the dmsa recommendations (we haven't started this yet). I >usually give smaller than recommended dosages and don't give anything all >the time, every day, to let the body really incorporate what's positive and >necessary. I'm aiming for permanent shifts in metabolism and we seem to be >seeing these. I regularly discontinue things to see what happens, and shift >diet so we're not giving many supplements. This doesn't work for the fatty >acids which seem to take weeks or months (at least for us) to show problems >or benefits. After listening to a tape by Enig, I eliminated nearly >all canola oil, soy oil, processed oils, trans fats, hydrogenated oils, >etc., and got the best quality butter I could find. We seemed to lose the >absence seizure type activity in my son that the school was complaining >about. They even got a little sniffy about the fact that these went away >without putting him on medications they were strongly (and just barely >legally) recommending. My son is somewhat dairy sensitive, but seems to >tolerate butter. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2000 Report Share Posted September 30, 2000 Thank you! I was wondering, having read about rotatin diets, whether this schedule might not be beneficial for sensitive kids during chelation. Chelate for a day, rest for 4 (giving the body time to get rid of it) and then chelate again, rest for 4. Does this make sense to you? Re: [ ] Chelation-liver detox > > > > > Fiona: I have the Doctor's Data Urine D-Glucaric Acid test and sometimes > > > also the Mercapturic Acid test done on children I suspect may not be ready > > > for chelation, and if they are abnormal, especially the D-Glucaric, give > > > Amy's protocol for nutrients for several months and then check again. > > > Amazingly, several children have responded to the nutrients so well it was > > > if they were being chelated. Hope this helps. Jaquelyn > > > > > > fiona young wrote: > > > > > > > Listmates, > > > > Would it be advisable to check my son's ability to detox before > > > > beginning chelation? I am nervous about him being unable to dump > > > > anything that gets pulled out. has a tendency to do very > > > > well > > > > on a new regime/supplement and then regress. I am now starting to > > > > think this may be due to liver woes (my motherinlaw also thinks he > > > > looks slightly yellow around his nose/mouth at times). Jacks also > > > > seems to go a little toxic on the stuff I give him to help with detox > > > > such as essiac tea and milkthistle. Any suggestions? Thank you all. > > > > What a wonderful list when no one is fighting :0) > > > > Fiona > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2000 Report Share Posted September 30, 2000 : D-glucaric acid level indicates whether the liver is under stress due to chemical, drug, or liver disease and is a biomarker for exposure to most xenobiotics (foreign organic chemicals). Mercapturic reflects the rate of enzymatic detoxication for many foreign chemicals. These are first-morning voids or 24-hour voids, $65/98 for D-glucaric and $60/90 for the mercapturic (cash/insurance). As to Amy's protocol for nutrients, it varies according to weight; I think if she wanted that info on the lists she would give it, I don't think I should. Jaquelyn lisa edmond wrote: > Dear Jaquelyn, > What do these tests test for? What is Amy's protocol for nutrients? > thank you, > > > Re: [ ] Chelation-liver detox > > > Fiona: I have the Doctor's Data Urine D-Glucaric Acid test and sometimes > > also the Mercapturic Acid test done on children I suspect may not be ready > > for chelation, and if they are abnormal, especially the D-Glucaric, give > > Amy's protocol for nutrients for several months and then check again. > > Amazingly, several children have responded to the nutrients so well it was > > if they were being chelated. Hope this helps. Jaquelyn > > > > fiona young wrote: > > > > > Listmates, > > > Would it be advisable to check my son's ability to detox before > > > beginning chelation? I am nervous about him being unable to dump > > > anything that gets pulled out. has a tendency to do very > > > well > > > on a new regime/supplement and then regress. I am now starting to > > > think this may be due to liver woes (my motherinlaw also thinks he > > > looks slightly yellow around his nose/mouth at times). Jacks also > > > seems to go a little toxic on the stuff I give him to help with detox > > > such as essiac tea and milkthistle. Any suggestions? Thank you all. > > > What a wonderful list when no one is fighting :0) > > > Fiona > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2000 Report Share Posted September 30, 2000 Yes, do you know any other labs that do these? Jaquelyn a1or2moore@... wrote: > These are Doctor " s Data tests that you have mentioned? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2000 Report Share Posted September 30, 2000 My kids got alot better on antifungals and intense nutritional and mineral support too. I guess it helps with the oxidative stress and helps the body deal with the toxins. Chelating was the icing on the cake, and brought them them " back " . It seemed they reached a plateau before we tested them and chelated the metals. Our kids need to be metabolically rehabilitated as well as chelated. Beverly > > > Listmates, > > Would it be advisable to check my son's ability to detox before > > beginning chelation? I am nervous about him being unable to dump > > anything that gets pulled out. has a tendency to do very > > well > > on a new regime/supplement and then regress. I am now starting to > > think this may be due to liver woes (my motherinlaw also thinks he > > looks slightly yellow around his nose/mouth at times). Jacks also > > seems to go a little toxic on the stuff I give him to help with detox > > such as essiac tea and milkthistle. Any suggestions? Thank you all. > > What a wonderful list when no one is fighting :0) > > Fiona > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2000 Report Share Posted September 30, 2000 , Make your life a lot easier and buy yourself some ghee at the health market (you might even find it in a regular market). Ghee is clarified butter, comes in a jar and is not expensive at all. I bought some hoping to use it for my daughter but she can't tolerate ANY form of dairy so I'm using it myself. My only other alternative for her (per ANDI - ) was a brand of margarine called 'Mothers' that I could only find in a Jewish deli. But it turns out it's made with cottonseed oil. Cottonseed oil comes, of course, from the cotton plant. And since cotton crops are not food crops, the farmers are allowed to spray willy nilly with whatever pesticide they like. Our health food market advised me NOT to eat it. So my poor daughter doesn't get any form of spread on her bread or waffles (honey on her waffle). I'm off to pick up our first batch of Chemet! So happy to be getting started! Wish my baby luck! Re: [ ] Chelation-liver detox > , > > Like you, we were not happy about using the type of fats in margarine and > our only breech of the c/f part of the diet is that we do use clarified > butter. I melt butter in the microwave and pour off the fat leaving the > milk behind. Then I stick it in the frig to harden. Once hard, I rinse it > in water, and then do this whole prodecure again. > > > > At 9/30/2000 -050009:00 AM, you wrote: > > > >fiona young wrote: > > > > > Listmates, > > > Would it be advisable to check my son's ability to detox before > > > beginning chelation? I am nervous about him being unable to dump > > > anything that gets pulled out. has a tendency to do very > > > well > > > on a new regime/supplement and then regress. I am now starting to > > > think this may be due to liver woes (my motherinlaw also thinks he > > > looks slightly yellow around his nose/mouth at times). Jacks also > > > seems to go a little toxic on the stuff I give him to help with detox > > > such as essiac tea and milkthistle. Any suggestions? Thank you all. > > > What a wonderful list when no one is fighting :0) > > > Fiona > > > >Dear Fiona, > > > >Great Smokies offers something called Oxidative Stress Analysis. I think > >there is a blood test that goes along with this also. I'm gearing up to > >give my 14-year-old daughter (NT) this test. She has unusual reactions to > >medications which mirror my own. I'm waiting until she is home for two days > >so that I can monitor any unusual reactions. The urine portion of this test > >involves giving caffein, aspirin and tylenol. They then measure the > >metabolites in the urine and give an analysis of liver function plus > >recommendations for diet and supplements, what to add and what to avoid. > >You got me thinking about this and I am going to check back with the > >practitioner about what would counteract reactions to any of these test > >substances. I'd rather blow the test than end up in trouble. We once had a > >dangerous reaction to tylenol a few years ago but I am willing to risk this > >to discover what would be helpful and what would be necessary to avoid, long > >run. > > > >Because I'm familiar with my own difficult reactions to things, with my > >kids, I usually give supplements differently than suggested. First I check > >for an allergic reaction. A single dose, then see what comes of that. Then > >I'll often do a slightly higher than recommended dose to check for immediate > >toxicity. If the response shows something good happening, I pulse dose, I > >guess like the dmsa recommendations (we haven't started this yet). I > >usually give smaller than recommended dosages and don't give anything all > >the time, every day, to let the body really incorporate what's positive and > >necessary. I'm aiming for permanent shifts in metabolism and we seem to be > >seeing these. I regularly discontinue things to see what happens, and shift > >diet so we're not giving many supplements. This doesn't work for the fatty > >acids which seem to take weeks or months (at least for us) to show problems > >or benefits. After listening to a tape by Enig, I eliminated nearly > >all canola oil, soy oil, processed oils, trans fats, hydrogenated oils, > >etc., and got the best quality butter I could find. We seemed to lose the > >absence seizure type activity in my son that the school was complaining > >about. They even got a little sniffy about the fact that these went away > >without putting him on medications they were strongly (and just barely > >legally) recommending. My son is somewhat dairy sensitive, but seems to > >tolerate butter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2000 Report Share Posted October 1, 2000 Owens wrote: > > , > > Like you, we were not happy about using the type of fats in margarine and > our only breech of the c/f part of the diet is that we do use clarified > butter. I melt butter in the microwave and pour off the fat leaving the > milk behind. Then I stick it in the frig to harden. Once hard, I rinse it > in water, and then do this whole prodecure again. > > Some say that clarified butter is acceptable on gf/cf diet. We've avoided butter for so long, that I'm not going to introduce it now and take a chance, but I thought I'd mention it to you. nne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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