Re: Digest Number 548

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> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 16:20:53 -0600

> From: SC <sasc@...>

> Subject: Re: Personal medical savings accounts

>

> > In the present system, the medically insured receive less medical

care

> > than those on welfare and NO ONE but government

> > bureaucrats or impersonal insurance company clerks make the rules.

>

> I beg your pardon but have you ever been on " welfare " ? The only

welfare

> there is available in the US is if you want to call it that, Social

> security disability and retirement and SSI or ADC, aid to dependent

> children. A person can only now get adc for two years, once in a

> lifetime. If you qualify for disability or retirement and didnt earn

That's not altogether accurate. The states, at least several states,

disburse welfare funds plus add their own, including California. It was

quite the thing when Louisiana, Tennesee, and if memory serves me

Alabama, were paying their welfare recipients to move and buying them

bus tickets, quite literally " shipping " them to California luring them

with the " higher " welfare payments. It was so bad, CA passed a law

temporarily denying benefits by instituting a 6-month waiting period for

persons moving into the state. A law which, coincidentally, the US

Supreme court overturned as discriminatory!

> enough to get social security you can get on SSI, supplemental

security

> income. If any one else working is in your household you can not get

> SSI. You go through the same long grueling process for disability on

> either program, in fact it is the same process running concurrently.

> With Medicare disability or retirement you get no drug coverage at all

> and pay 40 some dollars a month premium, coinsurance and deductables.

> Many doctors will not accept Medicare or Medicaid patients anymore.

The

> very poor on Medicaid now have to pay deductables on things too at

least

> in my state. This means that many Medicare and medicaid patients dont

go

> for care they need and with no drug coverage many many Medicare

We're not seeing that in CA. Here we still have a raging disparity

between those who are multi-generational welfare recipients and know how

to play the system from popping out kids for more money to driving

expensive autos, etc.; And those who are fresh to the system, neophytes

as it were, usually working folks who have found themselves in dire

straights and end up being played for fools and abandoned by the very

system that was made to help them.

The honest " neophyte " does without and sinks deeper daily, while the

" expert " gets everything and benefits in more ways than one. The

" neophyte " is annoyed at sitting for endless hours awaiting care,

preferring to be working, or at least tryin to; While the " expert " uses

the time to relax, scheme and network.

Honesty indeed does carry a price, just as certainly as does freedom.

And that price is just as certainly blood.

> recipients do not get the medicine that is prescribed for them.

Medicare

> and medicaid are administered by insurance companies (here its blue

> cross) and they have just as many rules as to what isnt covered as for

> any other regularly insured people. In most cases when they refuse

> something the hospital and doctors who accept Medicare assignment

cover

> the loss.

Again - not here. Obviously different in different states.

> These programs certainly help a lot of us who would be dead without

them

> but many also probably die because of lack of medicine and also care

> given to these patients is ofton substandard.

This indictment is very true - as far as it goes. If you don't, you're

left out in the wind. But if you know how to work the system, you can do

quite well on welfare, Medi-Cal, etc., here. Additionally, if something

happens to you and you're a neophyte, you're inclined to " obey the

rules " by selling all of your possessions, bankrupting yourself and your

family and throwing your whole clan into a destitute state thus

" redistributing " your wealth for the " common " good - just not " your "

good. But if you're an expert you manage to amass " hidden " wealth quite

competently. If you know the system you divorce, establish an " official "

hovel residence, and co-habitate with whom you choose while collecting

everything imagineable and available.

This government has always been this way and socialist programs do

nothing more than exacerbate the problem. In fact any government of man

since time immemorial, has never been any different. You either handle

life and its pitfalls through personal responsibility, or you abdicate

your resposnsibility to someone else. If you are scrupulously honest you

get slammed. If not, you learn to " work the system " .

> There are now over 44 million working Americans who cannot afford any

44 million and one.

> health insurance. Millions of working people who live below poverty

> level. None of these people could save anything to put into a health

> savings account. This is ludicrous. Only those with a high income

would

> think this was a solution or be able to afford it. And as Liz

mentioned

Not so. Many low-income people favor just such a plan for the very

reasons mentioned - service, choice, the ability to get proper care. A

more thorough reading (if there has been one - an initial reading if

not) of the concept and proposals would render a better perspective.

There are provisos in just such a plan for those who are unable to work

from birth, chronically ill, victims of catastrophic illnesses, etc. It

doesn't abandon them to the pit, but it DOES wreak havoc for insurers -

the single most profitable sector of industry in history.

> those who got sick at young age or havent been able to work steadily

for

> a long time certainly couldnt put anything away either.

See above

> Your statement probably is applicable to the many people who opted to

go

> on HMO's especially the Medicare recipients who are now being thrown

off

> of HMO's by the many thousands because they dont want older people who

> are liable to need health care services.

>

>

If you're 65 or older don't you go on MediCare? That was my

understanding, although I know there is uite a market for Medi-Gap

insurance covering those items not paid by MediCare.

Regards,

Geoff Crenshaw, ACC -----------------------

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In a message dated 12/07/1999 9:22:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,

geoff@... writes:

<< It was so bad, CA passed a law

temporarily denying benefits by instituting a 6-month waiting period for

persons moving into the state. A law which, coincidentally, the US

Supreme court overturned as discriminatory! >>

Well, Geoff I do not know where you are living, however here in California

where both Liz and I reside the law is 2 years on AFDC and you can no longer

collect for a life time this has been a law here for over 2 years now. I know

many AFDC families all of them struggling to get an education to work before

they are cut off.

Also as an SSI recipient in California I can tell you that NONE of the

welfare recipients here want to pay cash money out of our meager checks for

our own medical insurance. Not all medications are covered so that comes of

my small check aswell. As it is, on SSI you barely make enough to survive let

alone live. or have a saving account. If you marry you lose your check. If

you marry someone else on SSI the check is cut by half thus two single people

living together would get 1400 a month aprox cut down to 900 a month for

making it legal. Also if you work as I do and you receive housing here is

how your dollar is split up. 33 cents to housing. 50 cents to ssi, 4 cents to

social security retirement. 10 cents to taxes Lets add that up. 50+33+4+10=

-2 For every hour I work it costs me 2 cents. I can write off the taxes and

for every month the first 85 dollars is not counted off my check for SSI at

least. So I actually end result get to keep about $60 a month out of the

Three hundred I earn. Yep I am Rollin in that welfare dough. Think I will

rent me a second hovel and get me a man. Then It will only cost me an

additional 150 off my check.

Oh yeah plus the $200 it costs to move into that " hovel " and the $700 plus

for rent on the hovel. Yep sounds like a real good idea to me! Thanks for the

tip! Love,

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>Message: 13

> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:33:25 -0600

> From: " Beverly " <bevh@...>

>Subject: Re: Imuplus - Immunocal mixing

>

>I find that if I put only 8 oz of water in the Easy Mixer, I can run it

>without the lid off and pour in the imuplus a little at a time while its

>running. That works best for me. It was $6.50.

Who sells the Easy Mixer?

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Dear Saul (or anybody else who can answer this question),

I am about to start rectal ozone insufflation and ordinarily take Panax

ginseng and Licorice Drops on alternate days first thing in the morning

to boost adrenal function. Both ginseng and licorice are said to boost

" cell-mediated immunity " , which, among other things, means boosting

production of antioxidant enzymes.

Would I need to do the insufflation first thing in the morning, say, an

hour before the Ginseng or Licorice, in order to avoid their antioxidant

effects, which could lessen the effectiveness of the ozone treatment?

Or is this concern needless, since ginseng and licorice are not, as far

as I know, direct antioxidants like Vitamin C?

Thanks,

Shingleton

svg@...

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Dear ,

Good question!

As you say, the ginseng and the licorice are not direct antioxidants, so

there is nothing to worry about.

Their action will be delayed by the amount of time it takes the body to

digest and assimilate them, and produce the resultant products. The ozone

will have come and gone long before then.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

URL: http://www.plasmafire.com

email: saul@...

Re: Digest Number 548

> Dear Saul (or anybody else who can answer this question),

>

> I am about to start rectal ozone insufflation and ordinarily take Panax

> ginseng and Licorice Drops on alternate days first thing in the morning

> to boost adrenal function. Both ginseng and licorice are said to boost

> " cell-mediated immunity " , which, among other things, means boosting

> production of antioxidant enzymes.

> Would I need to do the insufflation first thing in the morning, say, an

> hour before the Ginseng or Licorice, in order to avoid their antioxidant

> effects, which could lessen the effectiveness of the ozone treatment?

> Or is this concern needless, since ginseng and licorice are not, as far

> as I know, direct antioxidants like Vitamin C?

>

> Thanks,

> Shingleton

> svg@...

>

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Just make sure you are close to the bathroom!!!!

From: Shingleton <SVG@...>

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Date: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 11:00 AM

Subject: Re: Digest Number 548

|Dear Saul (or anybody else who can answer this question),

|

| I am about to start rectal ozone insufflation and ordinarily take Panax

|ginseng and Licorice Drops on alternate days first thing in the morning

|to boost adrenal function. Both ginseng and licorice are said to boost

| " cell-mediated immunity " , which, among other things, means boosting

|production of antioxidant enzymes.

| Would I need to do the insufflation first thing in the morning, say, an

|hour before the Ginseng or Licorice, in order to avoid their antioxidant

|effects, which could lessen the effectiveness of the ozone treatment?

|Or is this concern needless, since ginseng and licorice are not, as far

|as I know, direct antioxidants like Vitamin C?

|

|Thanks,

| Shingleton

|svg@...

|

|------------------------------------------------------------------------

|Old school buds here:

|1/4057/5/_/507288/_/960393601/

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|

|OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self- help subjects.

|

|THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

|

|This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

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Hi--I am new to the list, and saw the posts about the Klebsiella

bacteria--what is this, and how do you know if your child has it? I work with

a 10 year boy with autism and epilepsy--we are getting the metals levels

tested now--but he seems to be sick constantly the past couple of years.

constant sinus trouble, headaches--last year he had strep 6 times in 4

months. Any ideas?

Thanks!

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Ej where you order kerfir grains and how you order kefirkraut? Thank You in

advance.

Claude

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In a message dated 10/30/2000 10:55:36 AM Central Standard Time,

escort7980@... writes:

<< Ej where you order kerfir grains and how you order kefirkraut? Thank You

in

advance.

Claude >>

_________________________

Claude,

I ordered my grains from the owner of this web site and the recipe for

kefirkraut is on here also. http://www.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

ej

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Digest Number 548

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Equal parts arrowroot, cornstarch and kaolin clay. Scent with whatever

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/29/01 1:20:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,

bodyforlife writes:

<< Put me down for a non-hairy guy. A little hair is okay, but I don't

like really hairy chests or backs. >>

Me too.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/29/01 1:20:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,

bodyforlife writes:

<< Anyone have any other suggestions on good whole foods with enough

protein? >>

There's a whole list in the book. We had Top sirloin steak last night and I

had low fat cottage cheese with my Myoplex bar for lunch. I dont like fish

and tuna - really any type of seafood so I have to find other things. I can

tolerate eggs if they are hardboiled and I just remove the yolk. These are

good sliced in a salad. I also made a sandwich today with whole wheat bread

and sliced deli ham, mustard, and fat free mayo. I noticed deli meats

aren't listed in the book - perhaps too much sodium? But I've been having

them on occasion.

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In a message dated 1/29/01 1:20:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,

bodyforlife writes:

<< Anyway, the first day has been kind of tough, I'm not used to eating

so frequently, and I'm not normally an early riser. My wife and I

are going to begin working out in the evenings...I know that isn't

the best, but it's better than nothing, right? >>

There are some people on this list who have had great results working out in

the evening.

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In a message dated 9/5/01 11:49:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

writes:

> I can't wait for tuna season next

> spring, because I'll can our own tuna then too.

>

>

_____________________________________

Jenn

Have you canned tuna before?? My brother is an Albacore fisherman in Astoria

and my sister-in-law cans the most wonderful Albacore (white meat tuna) you

have ever tasted. If you need any advice I can give you her phone number.

Of course the phone number will cost you 2 jars of tuna!!! Maybe I can even

get some tuna for you to can. He is gone for the summer fishing for Albacore

now. You may not have to wait until Spring! He should be back within a

couple of weeks.

Joni

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/5/01 11:49:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

writes:

> hey joni, that's called a shuduck? or something like that, right?

>

>

_______________________________-

ROFLMAO

Not exactly sure what a " shuduck " is maybe it is something like a " shagutz "

(not sure of spelling). That means a non-Jewish boy/man. A non-Jewish

girl/woman is a " shickza " . My husband is a " shagutz " . <grinning>

JoniBNAJewishMother

[Guest guest]

that's what a person who fixes people up is called. I just consider myself

goyum!!!!!

Re: Digest Number 548

In a message dated 9/5/01 11:49:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

writes:

> hey joni, that's called a shuduck? or something like that, right?

>

>

_______________________________-

ROFLMAO

Not exactly sure what a " shuduck " is maybe it is something like a

" shagutz "

(not sure of spelling). That means a non-Jewish boy/man. A non-Jewish

girl/woman is a " shickza " . My husband is a " shagutz " . <grinning>

JoniBNAJewishMother

[Guest guest]

Oh my!!! You talk to your sis to make sure it is okay... I would LOVE

to hook up with some fresh albacore! Astoria is only about a hour and

a half drive away!

JennBNGrateful

jonigra@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/5/01 11:49:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> @y... writes:

>

>

> > I can't wait for tuna season next

> > spring, because I'll can our own tuna then too.

> >

> >

>

> _____________________________________

>

> Jenn

>

> Have you canned tuna before?? My brother is an Albacore fisherman

in Astoria

> and my sister-in-law cans the most wonderful Albacore (white meat

tuna) you

> have ever tasted. If you need any advice I can give you her phone

number.

> Of course the phone number will cost you 2 jars of tuna!!! Maybe I

can even

> get some tuna for you to can. He is gone for the summer fishing for

Albacore

> now. You may not have to wait until Spring! He should be back

within a

> couple of weeks.

>

> Joni

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And... if I'm not mistaken, the gender nuetral form is goyem? Please

correct my spelling if needed. LOL

JennDaGoyem

(but if you talk to those who follow the Mormon faith we Native

Americans are one of the " lost " tribes of Isreal, and therefore not

really " Goyem. " *soft smile*)

jonigra@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/5/01 11:49:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> @y... writes:

>

>

> > hey joni, that's called a shuduck? or something like that, right?

> >

> >

>

> _______________________________-

>

> ROFLMAO

>

>

> Not exactly sure what a " shuduck " is maybe it is something like a

" shagutz "

> (not sure of spelling). That means a non-Jewish boy/man. A

non-Jewish

> girl/woman is a " shickza " . My husband is a " shagutz " . <grinning>

>

> JoniBNAJewishMother

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I thought everybody ate black-eyed peas on New Years

>Day till I got online and found some people eat other things for luck.

When I used to live in Buffalo, NY, We used to have a watch-service and

potluck on New Years Eve. You wouldn't believe what the Polish tradition

is...

Pickled Herrings! That's just about the nastiest smelling thing I've ever

encountered in my life. Try as they might, that's one thing I never tried!

aka. Moonday