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Hi, My name is Daren, I am 37 and I believe I may have RA, and I am

scared, I have severe pain in my hands and wrists I have been tested

for Carpel Tunnel which came back negative, I don't have the symptoms

of Fibromyalgia, my pain has been going on since November I have had

2 blood tests done both came back negative for RA but my Doc says it

may not show in the blood right away. I am on Naproxen for the pain,

I have a 3 year old son and i want to be around for him for many

years to come, If I have RA how do I deal with it? and how will it

affect my life? any suggestions? at this point anything would really

be helpfull!!!

The way I wrote that may seem stupid but I didn't want to go on about

things and wanted to get to the point.

Daren

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Hi Daren

Welcome….

Both my

husband and I are sero negative rheumatoid arthritis….the blood work is

normal….so it gets confusing for the doctors…other than one reading

where I had a high normal sed rate reading..

perhaps

push your doctor for a bone scan to make a true diagnosis of inflammatory

processes and bone disturbance…

if you

get aggressive early treatment it can help you a whole lot

Good luck

and maybe something in the article will help you

sincerely

Diagnosis of RA can be difficult, because there is no one particular test that

definitively confirms RA. Symptoms and lab findings of RA can be similar

to those of other diseases. Therefore, the patient's family history,

symptoms and signs along with lab results are used in diagnosing RA.

X-rays are not really diagnostic in early stages of the disease because of the

absence of apparent bone damage. However, X-rays can be used in later

stages of the disease to help the doctor monitor disease progression. According

to the American Rheumatism Association, there are eleven criteria for

diagnosing RA. Seven of the eleven are required for diagnosis of classic

RA, five for definitive RA, three for probable RA. Four laboratory

findings included in these criteria are positive serum tests for rheumatoid factor,

poor mucin clotting of synovial fluid, characteristic histologic changes in synovium,

and characteristic histologic changes in rheumatoid nodules [3]. Synovial fluid

can have a turbid appearance which reflects an increase white blood cell

count. The white blood cell count reflects the degree of

inflammation. An elevated erythrocyte sedimentation rate and an increase

in serum levels of C-reactive protein (CRP) also indicate the presence of an

inflammatory response [4]. People with RA have increased levels of alpha-1 and

alpha-2 globulins which are acute phase reactants involved in the inflammatory

response. Mucin clots in the synovial fluid can have decreased viscosity

due to a decrease in hyaluronic acid [1]. Also, patients may have moderate normocytic

hypochromic anemia with decreased serum iron, normal total iron-binding

capacity, and normal iron stores [3]. Another important test is the detection

of rheumatoid factor. Rheumatoid factor is usually detected

serologically. The slide agglutination test is used only for screening,

and positives should be confirmed using nephelometry or the ELISA method to

measure rheumatoid factor titers. In RA, titers are often 1:640 to

1:5120. Titers in conditions other than RA are usually <1:80 [4].

However, the absence of rheumatoid factor does not rule out the presence of

RA. Rheumatoid factor can also be present in people with syphilis,

leprosy, and other inflammatory conditions. Approximately 10-50% of

patients with RA also have low titers of antinuclear antibodies (ANAs) [1].

Rheumatoid Arthritis

We have met the enemy...

Most

people know this form of arthritis as the 'crippling disease' because it does

just that - cripples the joints. However, rheumatoid arthritis does not affect

just the joints, it attacks other body systems as well, including the heart,

nervous system, blood and even the lungs.

Why should an arthritic disease attack other areas of the body? The answer lies

in the process that causes the joint problem - the body suddenly does not recognize

itself and forms 'antibodies' against itself. These antibodies attack the

foreign invaders (the body's own tissues) and pretty soon the internal systems

begin to crumble under the weight of the immune attack. In essence, this is the

Pogo legacy: 'We have met the enemy and he is us.'

Joints seem to be the predominant focus of this disease. The joints most often

affected include the wrists, knees, elbows, shoulders, ankles, and 'knuckles'.

Joint destruction is an early manifestation of this disease and there is

usually X-ray evidence of damage within 3 years of onset of symptoms.

Since rheumatoid arthritis (RA) is a whole body disease, it is not unusual for

the patient to feel general fatigue, loss of appetite, weight loss and

depression. Indeed, these symptoms, along with some initial joint pains, may be

the only sign of RA's presence. Most patients go for an average of 36 weeks

before a diagnosis is made.

Mimickers

Other

diseases may mimic RA and this makes it more difficult for the physician to

correctly diagnose subtle cases. Osteoarthritis, Lyme disease, gout, even some

forms of cancer can present just like RA. It is helpful at times to be able to

exclude osteoarthritis quickly. This can sometimes be done on the first visit

by the type of joint involved. Osteoarthritis, for example, does not attack the

wrists or the knuckles, as does RA.

Diagnosis, for the most part, hinges upon common lab tests. Some components of

the blood count are deranged (mild anemia, elevated sedimentation rate or the rate

that blood sediments on standing) and finally a rheumatoid 'factor' test

(titer). While some true RA patients will not show a positive rheumatoid factor

at all, at least 70% will show some reactivity of a significant level. This

factor is actually a test for an immunoglobulin made by the body against its

own tissues.

Sometimes the joint involvement is so severe during 'flare' attacks that

physicians can obtain a sample of joint fluid for analysis that will assist in

making the diagnosis (or 'ruling out' other mimickers).

X-rays, while helpful to establish or follow joint involvement, cannot be used

to confirm this diagnosis.

*Criteria

for diagnosing Rheumatoid Arthritis (after the American College of

Rheumatology)

1. Morning stiffness > 1 hour's duration

2. Arthritis of at least three joint groups with soft tissue swelling or fluid

3. Swelling involving at least one of the following joint groups: proximal interphalangeal,

metacarpophalangeal, or wrists

4. Symmetrical joint swelling

5. Subcutaneous nodules

6. Positive rheumatoid factor test

7. Radiographic changes consistent with RA

*5 of the 7 criteria are needed to confirm the

diagnosis

Hope this helps

Sincerely

Sam

-----Original Message-----

From: Dot.Com [mailto:dot.communicator@...]

Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 6:44

AM

'arthritis '

Subject: RE: [arthritis]

Rheumatoid Factor/Numbers?/links/

Importance: High

Hi …

this little blurb might

help you find some answers….

Diagnosis of RA can be difficult,

because there is no one particular test that definitively confirms RA.

Symptoms and lab findings of RA can be similar to those of other

diseases. Therefore, the patient's family history, symptoms and signs along

with lab results are used in diagnosing RA.

X-rays are not really diagnostic in

early stages of the disease because of the absence of apparent bone

damage. However, X-rays can be used in later stages of the disease to

help the doctor monitor disease progression. According to the American

Rheumatism Association, there are eleven criteria for diagnosing RA.

Seven of the eleven are required for diagnosis of classic RA, five for

definitive RA, three for probable RA. Four laboratory findings included

in these criteria are positive serum tests for rheumatoid factor, poor mucin

clotting of synovial fluid, characteristic histologic changes in synovium, and

characteristic histologic changes in rheumatoid nodules [3]. Synovial fluid can

have a turbid appearance which reflects an increase white blood cell

count. The white blood cell count reflects the degree of

inflammation. An elevated erythrocyte sedimentation rate and an increase

in serum levels of C-reactive protein (CRP) also indicate the presence of an

inflammatory response [4]. People with RA have increased levels of alpha-1 and

alpha-2 globulins which are acute phase reactants involved in the inflammatory

response. Mucin clots in the synovial fluid can have decreased viscosity

due to a decrease in hyaluronic acid [1]. Also, patients may have moderate normocytic

hypochromic anemia with decreased serum iron, normal total iron-binding

capacity, and normal iron stores [3]. Another important test is the detection

of rheumatoid factor. Rheumatoid factor is usually detected

serologically. The slide agglutination test is used only for screening,

and positives should be confirmed using nephelometry or the ELISA method to

measure rheumatoid factor titers. In RA, titers are often 1:640 to

1:5120. Titers in conditions other than RA are usually <1:80 [4].

However, the absence of rheumatoid factor does not rule out the presence of

RA. Rheumatoid factor can also be present in people with syphilis,

leprosy, and other inflammatory conditions. Approximately 10-50% of

patients with RA also have low titers of antinuclear antibodies (ANAs) [1].

Good Luck

Sincerely

Sam

-----Original Message-----

From: darensother

[mailto:darensother@...]

Sent: Wednesday, May

15, 2002 12:53 PM

To:

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Subject:

New member here, With questions!! (scared)

Hi, My name is Daren, I am 37 and I believe I may have

RA, and I am

scared, I have severe pain in my hands and wrists

I have been tested

for Carpel Tunnel which came back negative, I

don't have the symptoms

of Fibromyalgia, my pain has been going on since

November I have had

2 blood tests done both came back negative for RA

but my Doc says it

may not show in the blood right away. I am on

Naproxen for the pain,

I have a 3 year old son and i want to be around

for him for many

years to come, If I have RA how do I deal with it?

and how will it

affect my life? any suggestions? at this point

anything would really

be helpfull!!!

The way I wrote that may seem stupid but I didn't

want to go on about

things and wanted to get to the point.

Daren

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Daren

My name is Ginlyn, I also so started out with pain in

my hands, it took time for the inflammation and

stiffness to start. What two blood tests for Ra did

they run? Your Doctor is right the RA may not show in

blood tests right off from the get go. If I were you I

would go to a Rheumatologist which is the kind of

Doctor that takes care of Arthritis. You need them to

give you a physical, Tell them the symptoms and keep

pushing if they know their stuff you are in great

hands, but if you feel they are not doing what they

should then keep looking until you are satisfied. The

pain in hands and wrists are often the beginning signs

of RA also not feeling well, low grade temp, and

fatique, but it sounds like you are about to the point

of the stiffness at some point and inflammation. If it

is RA you need meds to be started before damage to the

joints begins, you should have time before that. Don't

panic you need to keep your head on straight to get

what has to be done. If you need to talk or just let

things out you can e-mail me at gw14832@....

Ginlyn

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,

Thanks for replying to with so much information it is

so nice of you to take the time to reply.

here are the answer to some of your questions you

asked me.

1. The blood test I had done was for " Rhematoid

factor " , cell counts (CBC's)and a few other tests that

I am not sure what the names were but it all came back

in the " normal " range.

2. X-Rays were taken and the doc said everything was

normal.

3. My doctor is a Rheumatologist.

4. I had a nerve conductivity test done to see if it

was Carpal Tunnel which came back " Normal "

5. out of the seven Criterias that you sent me I can

honestly say I have...

1. Morning stiffness > 1 hour's duration

YES

2. Arthritis of at least three joint groups with soft

tissue swelling or fluid

DOC WOULD HAVE TO CHECK FOR THAT

3. Swelling involving at least one of the following

joint groups: proximal interphalangeal,

metacarpophalangeal, or wrists

YES, MY WRISTS

4. Symmetrical joint swelling

YES BOTH WRISTS AND BOTH ANKLES

5. Subcutaneous nodules

NO

6. Positive rheumatoid factor test

NO IT CAME BACK NEGATIVE

7. Radiographic changes consistent with RA

DIDN'T HAVE THIS PROCEDURE DONE

*5 of the 7 criteria are needed to confirm the

diagnosis

I talked to my doc yesterday and he has changed my

medication to ETODOLAC which is similar to Celebrex,

instead of naproxin.

He also said that there really isn't any more tests

that can be performed to diagnose my symptoms until my

symtoms worsen or change, so it is either a mild case

of carpel tunnel syndrome or first stages of RA.

So, I guess I just wait.

Well, thanks again for replying to me, I hope

everything is going well for YOU, take care.

Daren

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I printed out the information you submitted. Thanks.

Beatrice.

>From: " Dot.Com " <dot.communicator@...>

>Reply-Rheumatoid Arthritis

>Rheumatoid Arthritis

>Subject: RE: New member here, With questions!!

>(scared)

>Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:07:59 -0500

>

>Hi Daren

>

>Welcome….

>

>Both my husband and I are sero negative rheumatoid arthritis….the blood

>work is normal….so it gets confusing for the doctors…other than one

>reading where I had a high normal sed rate reading..

>

>

>

>perhaps push your doctor for a bone scan to make a true diagnosis of

>inflammatory processes and bone disturbance…

>

>

>

>if you get aggressive early treatment it can help you a whole lot

>

>Good luck and maybe something in the article will help you

>

>sincerely

>

>

>

>

>

> Diagnosis of RA can be difficult, because there is no one particular

>test that definitively confirms RA. Symptoms and lab findings of RA can

>be similar to those of other diseases. Therefore, the patient's family

>history, symptoms and signs along with lab results are used in

>diagnosing RA.

>

> X-rays are not really diagnostic in early stages of the disease

>because of the absence of apparent bone damage. However, X-rays can be

>used in later stages of the disease to help the doctor monitor disease

>progression. According to the American Rheumatism Association, there are

>eleven criteria for diagnosing RA. Seven of the eleven are required for

>diagnosis of classic RA, five for definitive RA, three for probable RA.

>Four laboratory findings included in these criteria are positive serum

>tests for rheumatoid factor, poor mucin clotting of synovial fluid,

>characteristic histologic changes in synovium, and characteristic

>histologic changes in rheumatoid nodules [3]. Synovial fluid can have a

>turbid appearance which reflects an increase white blood cell count.

>The white blood cell count reflects the degree of inflammation. An

>elevated erythrocyte sedimentation rate and an increase in serum levels

>of C-reactive protein (CRP) also indicate the presence of an

>inflammatory response [4]. People with RA have increased levels of

>alpha-1 and alpha-2 globulins which are acute phase reactants involved

>in the inflammatory response. Mucin clots in the synovial fluid can

>have decreased viscosity due to a decrease in hyaluronic acid [1]. Also,

>patients may have moderate normocytic hypochromic anemia with decreased

>serum iron, normal total iron-binding capacity, and normal iron stores

>[3]. Another important test is the detection of rheumatoid factor.

>Rheumatoid factor is usually detected serologically. The slide

>agglutination test is used only for screening, and positives should be

>confirmed using nephelometry or the ELISA method to measure rheumatoid

>factor titers. In RA, titers are often 1:640 to 1:5120. Titers in

>conditions other than RA are usually <1:80 [4]. However, the absence of

>rheumatoid factor does not rule out the presence of RA. Rheumatoid

>factor can also be present in people with syphilis, leprosy, and other

>inflammatory conditions. Approximately 10-50% of patients with RA also

>have low titers of antinuclear antibodies (ANAs) [1].

>

>Rheumatoid Arthritis

>

>

>

>We have met the enemy...

>

>Most people know this form of arthritis as the 'crippling disease'

>because it does just that - cripples the joints. However, rheumatoid

>arthritis does not affect just the joints, it attacks other body systems

>as well, including the heart, nervous system, blood and even the lungs.

>

>Why should an arthritic disease attack other areas of the body? The

>answer lies in the process that causes the joint problem - the body

>suddenly does not recognize itself and forms 'antibodies' against

>itself. These antibodies attack the foreign invaders (the body's own

>tissues) and pretty soon the internal systems begin to crumble under the

>weight of the immune attack. In essence, this is the Pogo legacy: 'We

>have met the enemy and he is us.'

>

>Joints seem to be the predominant focus of this disease. The joints most

>often affected include the wrists, knees, elbows, shoulders, ankles, and

>'knuckles'. Joint destruction is an early manifestation of this disease

>and there is usually X-ray evidence of damage within 3 years of onset of

>symptoms.

>

>Since rheumatoid arthritis (RA) is a whole body disease, it is not

>unusual for the patient to feel general fatigue, loss of appetite,

>weight loss and depression. Indeed, these symptoms, along with some

>initial joint pains, may be the only sign of RA's presence. Most

>patients go for an average of 36 weeks before a diagnosis is made.

>

>Mimickers

>

>Other diseases may mimic RA and this makes it more difficult for the

>physician to correctly diagnose subtle cases. Osteoarthritis, Lyme

>disease, gout, even some forms of cancer can present just like RA. It is

>helpful at times to be able to exclude osteoarthritis quickly. This can

>sometimes be done on the first visit by the type of joint involved.

>Osteoarthritis, for example, does not attack the wrists or the knuckles,

>as does RA.

>

>Diagnosis, for the most part, hinges upon common lab tests. Some

>components of the blood count are deranged (mild anemia, elevated

>sedimentation rate or the rate that blood sediments on standing) and

>finally a rheumatoid 'factor' test (titer). While some true RA patients

>will not show a positive rheumatoid factor at all, at least 70% will

>show some reactivity of a significant level. This factor is actually a

>test for an immunoglobulin made by the body against its own tissues.

>

>Sometimes the joint involvement is so severe during 'flare' attacks that

>physicians can obtain a sample of joint fluid for analysis that will

>assist in making the diagnosis (or 'ruling out' other mimickers).

>

>X-rays, while helpful to establish or follow joint involvement, cannot

>be used to confirm this diagnosis.

>

>

>*Criteria for diagnosing Rheumatoid Arthritis (after the American

>College of Rheumatology)

>

>

>1. Morning stiffness > 1 hour's duration

>2. Arthritis of at least three joint groups with soft tissue swelling or

>fluid

>3. Swelling involving at least one of the following joint groups:

>proximal interphalangeal, metacarpophalangeal, or wrists

>4. Symmetrical joint swelling

>5. Subcutaneous nodules

>6. Positive rheumatoid factor test

>7. Radiographic changes consistent with RA

>

>

>*5 of the 7 criteria are needed to confirm the diagnosis

>

>

>

>

>

>Hope this helps

>

>Sincerely

>

>Sam

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Dot.Com [mailto:dot.communicator@...]

>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 6:44 AM

>'arthritis '

>Subject: RE: [arthritis] Rheumatoid Factor/Numbers?/links/

>Importance: High

>

>

>

>Hi …

>

>

>

>this little blurb might help you find some answers….

>

> Diagnosis of RA can be difficult, because there is no one particular

>test that definitively confirms RA. Symptoms and lab findings of RA can

>be similar to those of other diseases. Therefore, the patient's family

>history, symptoms and signs along with lab results are used in

>diagnosing RA.

>

> X-rays are not really diagnostic in early stages of the disease

>because of the absence of apparent bone damage. However, X-rays can be

>used in later stages of the disease to help the doctor monitor disease

>progression. According to the American Rheumatism Association, there are

>eleven criteria for diagnosing RA. Seven of the eleven are required for

>diagnosis of classic RA, five for definitive RA, three for probable RA.

>Four laboratory findings included in these criteria are positive serum

>tests for rheumatoid factor, poor mucin clotting of synovial fluid,

>characteristic histologic changes in synovium, and characteristic

>histologic changes in rheumatoid nodules [3]. Synovial fluid can have a

>turbid appearance which reflects an increase white blood cell count.

>The white blood cell count reflects the degree of inflammation. An

>elevated erythrocyte sedimentation rate and an increase in serum levels

>of C-reactive protein (CRP) also indicate the presence of an

>inflammatory response [4]. People with RA have increased levels of

>alpha-1 and alpha-2 globulins which are acute phase reactants involved

>in the inflammatory response. Mucin clots in the synovial fluid can

>have decreased viscosity due to a decrease in hyaluronic acid [1]. Also,

>patients may have moderate normocytic hypochromic anemia with decreased

>serum iron, normal total iron-binding capacity, and normal iron stores

>[3]. Another important test is the detection of rheumatoid factor.

>Rheumatoid factor is usually detected serologically. The slide

>agglutination test is used only for screening, and positives should be

>confirmed using nephelometry or the ELISA method to measure rheumatoid

>factor titers. In RA, titers are often 1:640 to 1:5120. Titers in

>conditions other than RA are usually <1:80 [4]. However, the absence of

>rheumatoid factor does not rule out the presence of RA. Rheumatoid

>factor can also be present in people with syphilis, leprosy, and other

>inflammatory conditions. Approximately 10-50% of patients with RA also

>have low titers of antinuclear antibodies (ANAs) [1].

>

>

>

>Good Luck

>

>

>

>Sincerely

>

>Sam

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: darensother [mailto:darensother@...]

>Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:53 PM

>Rheumatoid Arthritis

>Subject: New member here, With questions!!

>(scared)

>

>

>

>Hi, My name is Daren, I am 37 and I believe I may have RA, and I am

>scared, I have severe pain in my hands and wrists I have been tested

>for Carpel Tunnel which came back negative, I don't have the symptoms

>of Fibromyalgia, my pain has been going on since November I have had

>2 blood tests done both came back negative for RA but my Doc says it

>may not show in the blood right away. I am on Naproxen for the pain,

>I have a 3 year old son and i want to be around for him for many

>years to come, If I have RA how do I deal with it? and how will it

>affect my life? any suggestions? at this point anything would really

>be helpfull!!!

>

>The way I wrote that may seem stupid but I didn't want to go on about

>things and wanted to get to the point.

>

>Daren

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Daren and group…

just from my experience….I am sero

negative rheumatoid arthritis….all the bone stuff but the blood work is

normal….at this point into things…two years now….just

recently got the diagnosis…..been for the tests…oh you don’t have

this because your blood work is normal….goodness..finally now that the wrists

and ankles and hands and feet and elbows are deforming they take a bit more

seriously

I take the antibiotic protocol as

established by dr brown….www.rheumatoid.org

maybe this copy and paste will help you

and your doctor…and yes it is scary

Good luck and hugs in pain

Sincerely

Sam

Diagnosis of RA can be

difficult, because there is no one particular

>test that definitively

confirms RA.  Symptoms and lab findings of RA

>can be similar to those

of other diseases.  Therefore, the patient's

>family history, symptoms

and signs along with lab results are used in

>diagnosing RA.

>

>     X-rays are not really

diagnostic in early stages of the disease

>because of the absence

of apparent bone damage.  However, X-rays can be

>used in later stages of

the disease to help the doctor monitor disease

>progression. According

to the American Rheumatism Association, there

>are eleven criteria for

diagnosing RA.  Seven of the eleven are

>required for diagnosis

of classic RA, five for definitive RA, three for

>probable RA. Four

laboratory findings included in these criteria are

>positive serum tests for

rheumatoid factor, poor mucin clotting of

>synovial fluid,

characteristic histologic changes in synovium, and

>characteristic histologic

changes in rheumatoid nodules [3]. Synovial

>fluid can have a turbid appearance

which reflects an increase white

>blood cell count. The

white blood cell count reflects the degree of

>inflammation.  An

elevated erythrocyte sedimentation rate and an

>increase in serum levels

of C-reactive protein (CRP) also indicate the

>presence of an

inflammatory response [4]. People with RA have increased

>levels of alpha-1 and

alpha-2 globulins which are acute phase reactants

>involved in the

inflammatory response.  Mucin clots in the synovial

>fluid can have decreased

viscosity due to a decrease in hyaluronic acid

>[1]. Also, patients may

have moderate normocytic hypochromic anemia

>with decreased serum

iron, normal total iron-binding capacity, and

>normal iron stores [3].

Another important test is the detection of

>rheumatoid factor.

Rheumatoid factor is usually detected serologically. 

>The slide agglutination

test is used only for screening, and positives

>should be confirmed

using nephelometry or the ELISA method to measure

>rheumatoid factor

titers.  In RA, titers are often 1:640 to 1:5120. 

>Titers in conditions

other than RA are usually <1:80 [4]. However, the

>absence of rheumatoid

factor does not rule out the presence of RA. 

>Rheumatoid factor can

also be present in people with syphilis, leprosy,

>and other inflammatory

conditions.  Approximately 10-50% of patients

>with RA also have low

titers of antinuclear antibodies (ANAs) [1].

>

>Rheumatoid Arthritis

>

>

>

>We have met the enemy...

>

>Most people know this

form of arthritis as the 'crippling disease'

>because it does just

that - cripples the joints. However, rheumatoid

>arthritis does not

affect just the joints, it attacks other body

>systems as well,

including the heart, nervous system, blood and even

>the lungs.

>

>Why should an arthritic

disease attack other areas of the body? The

>answer lies in the process

that causes the joint problem - the body

>suddenly does not

recognize itself and forms 'antibodies' against

>itself. These antibodies

attack the foreign invaders (the body's own

>tissues) and pretty soon

the internal systems begin to crumble under

>the weight of the immune

attack. In essence, this is the Pogo legacy:

>'We have met the enemy

and he is us.'

>

>Joints seem to be the

predominant focus of this disease. The joints

>most often affected

include the wrists, knees, elbows, shoulders,

>ankles, and 'knuckles'.

Joint destruction is an early manifestation of

>this disease and there

is usually X-ray evidence of damage within 3

>years of onset of

symptoms.

>

>Since rheumatoid

arthritis (RA) is a whole body disease, it is not

>unusual for the patient

to feel general fatigue, loss of appetite,

>weight loss and

depression. Indeed, these symptoms, along with some

>initial joint pains, may

be the only sign of RA's presence. Most

>patients go for an

average of 36 weeks before a diagnosis is made.

>

>Mimickers

>

>Other diseases may mimic

RA and this makes it more difficult for the

>physician to correctly

diagnose subtle cases. Osteoarthritis, Lyme

>disease, gout, even some

forms of cancer can present just like RA. It

>is helpful at times to

be able to exclude osteoarthritis quickly. This

>can sometimes be done on

the first visit by the type of joint involved.

>Osteoarthritis, for

example, does not attack the wrists or the

>knuckles, as does RA.

>

>Diagnosis, for the most

part, hinges upon common lab tests. Some

>components of the blood

count are deranged (mild anemia, elevated

>sedimentation rate or

the rate that blood sediments on standing) and

>finally a rheumatoid

'factor' test (titer). While some true RA patients

>will not show a positive

rheumatoid factor at all, at least 70% will

>show some reactivity of

a significant level. This factor is actually a

>test for an

immunoglobulin made by the body against its own tissues.

>

>Sometimes the joint

involvement is so severe during 'flare' attacks

>that physicians can

obtain a sample of joint fluid for analysis that

>will assist in making

the diagnosis (or 'ruling out' other mimickers).

>

>X-rays, while helpful to

establish or follow joint involvement, cannot

>be used to confirm this

diagnosis.

>

>

>*Criteria for diagnosing

Rheumatoid Arthritis (after the American

>College

of Rheumatology)

>

>

>1. Morning stiffness

> 1 hour's duration

>2. Arthritis of at least

three joint groups with soft tissue swelling

>or fluid 3. Swelling

involving at least one of the following joint

>groups: proximal interphalangeal,

metacarpophalangeal, or wrists

>4. Symmetrical joint

swelling

>5. Subcutaneous nodules

>6. Positive rheumatoid

factor test

>7. Radiographic changes

consistent with RA

>

>

>*5 of the 7 criteria are

needed to confirm the diagnosis

>

>

-----Original Message-----

From: D Noakes

[mailto:darensother@...]

Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 9:00 AM

To:

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Subject: RE:

New member here, With questions!! (scared)

,

Thanks for replying to with so much information it

is

so nice of you to take the time to reply.

here are the answer to some of your questions you

asked me.

1. The blood test I had done was for

" Rhematoid

factor " , cell counts (CBC's)and a few other

tests that

I am not sure what the names were but it all came

back

in the " normal " range.

2. X-Rays were taken and the doc said everything

was

normal.

3. My doctor is a Rheumatologist.

4. I had a nerve conductivity test done to see if

it

was Carpal Tunnel which came back

" Normal "

5. out of the seven Criterias that you sent me I

can

honestly say I have...

1. Morning stiffness > 1 hour's duration

YES

2. Arthritis of at least three joint groups with

soft

tissue swelling or fluid

DOC WOULD HAVE TO CHECK FOR THAT

3. Swelling involving at least one of the

following

joint groups: proximal interphalangeal,

metacarpophalangeal, or wrists

YES, MY WRISTS

4. Symmetrical joint swelling

YES BOTH WRISTS AND BOTH ANKLES

5. Subcutaneous nodules

NO

6. Positive rheumatoid factor test

NO IT CAME BACK NEGATIVE

7. Radiographic changes consistent with RA

DIDN'T HAVE THIS PROCEDURE DONE

*5 of the 7 criteria are needed to confirm the

diagnosis

I talked to my doc yesterday and he has changed my

medication to ETODOLAC which is similar to

Celebrex,

instead of naproxin.

He also said that there really isn't any more

tests

that can be performed to diagnose my symptoms

until my

symtoms worsen or change, so it is either a mild

case

of carpel tunnel syndrome or first stages of RA.

So, I guess I just wait.

Well, thanks again for replying to me, I hope

everything is going well for YOU, take care.

Daren

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