Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Here's what I wonder about mental health disorders, like bipolar, schizophrenia, the big, mind-altering, hallucinogenic, paranoia mental health disorders. My SIL's mother, who would have been about 80 at this point, had various diagnoses throughout her life. Essentially, she would go off on these crazy episodes that would land her in the funny farm. They'd drug her up, but she would be " normal " in her mind. Then, over a couple of years she would slowly stop taking her meds, then cycle over & over. I saw one of the last ones. She was dxed from bipolar to paranoid schizophrenic. She never did street drugs that any of us are aware. Her bizarre behaviors included chasing her youngest daughter with a butcher knife to kill her, cleaning out all the furniture from the room to leave only a rocking chair where she sat until her middle daughter came home to tell her the make-up Clairol stold her identity (her name was Clara) and she was gonna sue; playing all her old 45s and deciding her grandson in high school wasn't taught enough " good " music & told her daughter she was going to take all of the music to the school so the yung'ens could learn, screaming it, running up credit cards that she just got so she could buy a bicycle for every single kid she knew, when the Walmart manager asked her why she was buying so many bicycles she screamed & cussed him out & called everyone over him. On mental health drugs, like risperdal, she was great. Calm but not drugged, happy, but not stupid silly, had mental clarity, etc. She also took others with seemingly good effects, though I'm sure she had side effects at times, who couldn't. Off them, she was simply nuts. She had 3 daughters, one ( of which I'm convinced is nuts for a variety of reasons, and one of her ( 3 daughters struggles with mental health issues, too. I guess my thought is, she didn't have microwave ovens, she didn't eat processed foods out the wazzoo. She was like this from a teenager, if not before. It is possible something happened in her childhood, I dunno. But it's also obvious there has been some genetic component. Any thoughts on cases like this? Debi > > I just finished watching the psychiatric elephant program,on PBS- Frontline (as in 3 blind men and the elephant), totally sickening. They act as if the brain scans were not connected to the head bone, the neck bone, the mouth, the throat the stomach, the intestinal tract, the microwaved food (hotdog on a stick , heated in...) the gmo foods, artificial flavorings, stabilizers,hormoned milks, home cleaning products, wrong- wave lighting(see Ott's full spectrum light work),no exercise, playing to get worn out and tired. > MUCH LESS, acknowledge the pediatric pharmacy formulas for sticking nasty ingredients (mercury, lead, aluminum, additives that I don't remember the names of..) vaccines, mercury amalgams... > Only scan the brain, read the map...have no ideas about what went developmentally and environmentally in the body to make the affects they are hunting for to be IN the Brain?! The map is not the territory! argh... > Having personally suffered two kids to the temple of psychiatry and gotten them out and off of drugs (with much sturm und drung) I feel quite entitled to express this observation. It is not just the kids, it's the care takers also. And years out of our lives dealing with their misconstrued concepts, exasperating...ng > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 If there was a genetic component to mental illness, they'd have found it by now. They've aimed billions, all the big research guns and over a hundred years of trying to find this elusive genetic link. To no avail. All they discovered was the same mechanisms that our science discovered for autism may also effect schizophrenia: a combo of metals and viruses (Bernie Devlin found a link between schizophrenia and CMV). All anyone could ever determine was that mental illness is environmental, whether this meant " emotional environment " or " environmental toxins " or a combination. I think our realm has probably made one of the greatest contributions to mental health science by broadening the understanding that susceptibility to toxins may run in families. Otherwise, family behavior can be perpetuated to ruin generation after generation and it's not necessarily the impact of toxins or susceptibility genes which cause this, though that would not help. And then there are simply cases of an individual breaking down from early trauma which doesn't originate from aggression within the family of origin (stranger rape or assault from someone outside the family. Witnessing a death or atrocity. Loss of a sibling, watching someone die from an illness) and " passing on " this unprocessed trauma to subsequent generations. This is why recognizing PTSD is so important, but in past generations, the response was to insist someone just " get over it " or deny it. If they cracked and entered the mental health system, then their troubles really began. Domestic violence still effects fifty percent of women at at least one point in their lives. This is an historically stable figure, though in societies which " accept " this and don't regard it as a crime (Korea in the past), the rate can be much higher. 50% of children are sexually abused between 3 and 18, mostly by people they know. We don't NEED toxins to disrupt people's health and lives, but add this to the mix and the deck is stacked against some. Furthermore, antidepessants have been around since 1959, which is the exact moment when " bipolar disorder " -- then known as manic depression- - skyrocketed. Previous to this, most cases of mental illness were " unipolar " . Antidepressants have long been known to trigger mania, particularly when a dose is changed or withdrawn, though it develops gradually while someone is on the medications. Who knows what could have happened? It's not impossible that your grandmother is the key to your family's metal sensitivity. Or she may have started out by lashing out at real social circumstances and ended up nuts from drugs, punitive therapy (for a history of how " great " therapy was for women, read " For Their Own Good " and " The Yellow Wall Paper " ) and stigmatization. > > > > I just finished watching the psychiatric elephant program,on PBS- > Frontline (as in 3 blind men and the elephant), totally sickening. > They act as if the brain scans were not connected to the head bone, > the neck bone, the mouth, the throat the stomach, the intestinal > tract, the microwaved food (hotdog on a stick , heated in...) the gmo > foods, artificial flavorings, stabilizers,hormoned milks, home > cleaning products, wrong- wave lighting(see Ott's full spectrum > light work),no exercise, playing to get worn out and tired. > > MUCH LESS, acknowledge the pediatric pharmacy formulas for sticking > nasty ingredients (mercury, lead, aluminum, additives that I don't > remember the names of..) vaccines, mercury amalgams... > > Only scan the brain, read the map...have no ideas about what went > developmentally and environmentally in the body to make the affects > they are hunting for to be IN the Brain?! The map is not the > territory! argh... > > Having personally suffered two kids to the temple of psychiatry and > gotten them out and off of drugs (with much sturm und drung) I feel > quite entitled to express this observation. It is not just the kids, > it's the care takers also. And years out of our lives dealing with > their misconstrued concepts, exasperating...ng > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Debbi, It's the poisons in our systems...ng Re: pbs/bi polar.. Here's what I wonder about mental health disorders, like bipolar,schizophrenia, the big, mind-altering, hallucinogenic, paranoia mentalhealth disorders. My SIL's mother, who would have been about 80 atthis point, had various diagnoses throughout her life. Essentially,she would go off on these crazy episodes that would land her in thefunny farm. They'd drug her up, but she would be "normal" in her mind.Then, over a couple of years she would slowly stop taking her meds,then cycle over & over. I saw one of the last ones. She was dxed frombipolar to paranoid schizophrenic. She never did street drugs that anyof us are aware. Her bizarre behaviors included chasing her youngest daughter with abutcher knife to kill her, cleaning out all the furniture from theroom to leave only a rocking chair where she sat until her middledaughter came home to tell her the make-up Clairol stold her identity(her name was Clara) and she was gonna sue; playing all her old 45sand deciding her grandson in high school wasn't taught enough "good"music & told her daughter she was going to take all of the music tothe school so the yung'ens could learn, screaming it, running upcredit cards that she just got so she could buy a bicycle for everysingle kid she knew, when the Walmart manager asked her why she wasbuying so many bicycles she screamed & cussed him out & calledeveryone over him. On mental health drugs, like risperdal, she was great. Calm but notdrugged, happy, but not stupid silly, had mental clarity, etc. Shealso took others with seemingly good effects, though I'm sure she hadside effects at times, who couldn't. Off them, she was simply nuts. She had 3 daughters, one ( of which I'm convinced is nuts for avariety of reasons, and one of her ( 3 daughters struggles withmental health issues, too. I guess my thought is, she didn't have microwave ovens, she didn't eatprocessed foods out the wazzoo. She was like this from a teenager, ifnot before. It is possible something happened in her childhood, Idunno. But it's also obvious there has been some genetic component. Any thoughts on cases like this?Debi>> I just finished watching the psychiatric elephant program,on PBS-Frontline (as in 3 blind men and the elephant), totally sickening. They act as if the brain scans were not connected to the head bone,the neck bone, the mouth, the throat the stomach, the intestinaltract, the microwaved food (hotdog on a stick , heated in...) the gmofoods, artificial flavorings, stabilizers,hormoned milks, homecleaning products, wrong- wave lighting(see Ott's full spectrumlight work),no exercise, playing to get worn out and tired. > MUCH LESS, acknowledge the pediatric pharmacy formulas for stickingnasty ingredients (mercury, lead, aluminum, additives that I don'tremember the names of..) vaccines, mercury amalgams...> Only scan the brain, read the map...have no ideas about what wentdevelopmentally and environmentally in the body to make the affectsthey are hunting for to be IN the Brain?! The map is not theterritory! argh...> Having personally suffered two kids to the temple of psychiatry andgotten them out and off of drugs (with much sturm und drung) I feelquite entitled to express this observation. It is not just the kids,it's the care takers also. And years out of our lives dealing withtheir misconstrued concepts, exasperating...ng> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 > > Here's what I wonder about mental health disorders, like bipolar, > schizophrenia, the big, mind-altering, hallucinogenic, paranoia mental > it's the care takers also. And years out of our lives dealing with > their misconstrued concepts, exasperating...ng > > > In my opinion, it's nutritional deficincies that are causing all disease. The toxins in our food and personal products are making disease happen that much faster. I was horribly depressed and suicidal years ago and was takiing more anti depressants than I can remember. I think they helped sometimes. Sometimes not so much. Then I read a book that changed my life and opened my eyes to what I was doing to myself. I started drinking more water than I ever did and ate much more raw fruits an vegatables. I'm not kidding within 3 days I felt wonderful! I've been off of all meds for over three years now. When I eat certain foods like white flour, sugar or chocolate I end up feeling like crap. Moody, uncaring and I start feeling depressed again. This is a siplified version of what I did but it really comes down to nutrition as being number one and reversing disease. Schizophrenia can be treated with diet and supplementaion too but is tough to do when they are really far gone. Just my opinion ofcourse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Our family would be a perfect source for research since the members that have suffered with bipolar were never treated. My mom only received treatment when she was over 60. Their symptoms are classic. There has to be something genetic about it. According to my grandmother my mom's symptoms began when she was a teenager. She considered taking her to a hospital but decided they'd just institutionalize her. So, they just learned to cope. My mom managed to get through most of her life without being officially diagnosed (although she sometimes diagnosed herself). She tells me it must've been sheer determination to not succumb to it fully. She was always a difficult person. She was higher than a kite one month and then completely incapable of life the next month. She went months on end not getting any sleep. She claimed she functioned better this way. When we were all grown her determination started to crumble and it seeped out of every crack. She started sharing every thought that was in her head with every person that she saw. These ideas included vast conspiracy theories and a concern that every word that was spoken or written was sending out a code. She became agoraphobic and starting melting plastic bottles and shaping them into all sorts of objects. Never mind she was spewing toxic fumes all over the house! That went along with her use of turpentine as a standard household cleanser. She used it for everything including cleaning her glasses! Then she finally asked my dad to take her to the hospital where she was diagnosed within minutes of the doctor meeting her. She received treatment and boy it's been wonderful until recently when she decided she doesn't need those pills. So, now she's starting up again. Then there's her baby sister. She's managed to get away with no treatment, also. It's starting to get kind of hard for her dh to manage, though. They're starting to look at getting her help now. The older generations didn't know what the problems were, but they sure knew there were problems. My great-grandmother was just like my mom. Everyone just knew how to deal with her. Thankfully, they didn't have extremely violent tendencies (although there were a few times when my mom was out of control). They also didn't have overwhelming desires for suicide although they did have those thoughts. So, they were able to manage without treatment. But, that pretty much douses the theory that the meds cause the bipolar disorder. I won't deny, though, that some of them can make things worse. I'm just glad that some of them make things so much better. Re: pbs/bi polar.. If there was a genetic component to mental illness, they'd have found it by now. They've aimed billions, all the big research guns and over a hundred years of trying to find this elusive genetic link. To no avail. All they discovered was the same mechanisms that our science discovered for autism may also effect schizophrenia: a combo of metals and viruses (Bernie Devlin found a link between schizophrenia and CMV). All anyone could ever determine was that mental illness is environmental, whether this meant "emotional environment" or "environmental toxins" or a combination. .....Furthermore, antidepessants have been around since 1959, which is the exact moment when "bipolar disorder"-- then known as manic depression-- skyrocketed. Previous to this, most cases of mental illness were "unipolar". Antidepressants have long been known to trigger mania, particularly when a dose is changed or withdrawn, though it develops gradually while someone is on the medications. Who knows what could have happened? It's not impossible that your grandmother is the key to your family's metal sensitivity. Or she may have started out by lashing out at real social circumstances and ended up nuts from drugs, punitive therapy (for a history of how "great" therapy was for women, read "For Their Own Good" and "The Yellow Wall Paper") and stigmatization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 - What is "genetic" about it is that the cause (toxins/viruses,etc.) set the wheels in motion for the resultant behavior. What is genetic is probably that your family members (some of them) are "brain reactors" as opposed to cancer manifestations or severe rashes from being exposed to the toxin/virus. Therefore, the "cause" is that which started the process. We can't help what genes we have but we can do something about exposures.Rox Re: pbs/bi polar.. If there was a genetic component to mental illness, they'd have found it by now. They've aimed billions, all the big research guns and over a hundred years of trying to find this elusive genetic link. To no avail. All they discovered was the same mechanisms that our science discovered for autism may also effect schizophrenia: a combo of metals and viruses (Bernie Devlin found a link between schizophrenia and CMV). All anyone could ever determine was that mental illness is environmental, whether this meant "emotional environment" or "environmental toxins" or a combination. .....Furthermore, antidepessants have been around since 1959, which is the exact moment when "bipolar disorder"-- then known as manic depression-- skyrocketed. Previous to this, most cases of mental illness were "unipolar". Antidepressants have long been known to trigger mania, particularly when a dose is changed or withdrawn, though it develops gradually while someone is on the medications. Who knows what could have happened? It's not impossible that your grandmother is the key to your family's metal sensitivity. Or she may have started out by lashing out at real social circumstances and ended up nuts from drugs, punitive therapy (for a history of how "great" therapy was for women, read "For Their Own Good" and "The Yellow Wall Paper") and stigmatization. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Don't forget that the first heart-lung machines were used in the mid- 50's and weren't in common usage until about 1970. I'm sure many people are walking around w/brain damage sustained in surgery - like my mother. Carolyn > > Debbi, It's the poisons in our systems...ng > Re: pbs/bi polar.. > > > Here's what I wonder about mental health disorders, like bipolar, > schizophrenia, the big, mind-altering, hallucinogenic, paranoia mental > health disorders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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