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I know, why should we have to live in fear like this? I saw a mom

with twin girls, around five, and a new baby. She saw our twins and

we joked that usually twins are the LAST in the line-up. She said she

must have suffered amnesia. She was in baby euphoria, clearly blissed

out, a feeling I remember well (and how it came crashing down on

getting our son's dx). She was cheerfully encouraging us to " keep

going " and to have more kids. I looked at dh's drawn expression and

thought of McCarthy saying on Larry King that she'd had her

butt kicked by autism and wouldn't be having any more children.

But I guess we can channel this into trying to make sure that others

don't have to go through the same thing if we can help it. I saw a

mom from Africa at Ikea last year. She was about seven months

pregnant with twins and stopped me when I was with our kids to ask

how it was having twins. After giving my usual short bit on the

wonders of twins, I just blurted out, " Don't let them give you the

flu shot while you're pregnant or breastfeeding. It has mercury in

it. My son can't talk because of his vaccinations " . I scribbled down

the website for NVIC on a scrap of paper.

She wasn't unpleasantly shocked, actually seemed pretty happy to get

the information, said her doc had been pushing the flu shot and she

was on the verge of caving in.

The shock of knowing doesn't compare to the consequences of not

knowing these days. You did a great, great thing.

>

> My neighbor has a boy with autism (along with 2 other people on our

block).

> Our sons were in the same class last year. The mom told me about 5-

6 months

> ago that she was pregnant, but scared that her next child would

have autism

> too. They are from Central America and they don¹t speak fluent

English

> (although she can understand me most of the time). Anyway, I asked

the Dad

> yesterday if they were having a boy or a girl. He said it was a

girl and I

> was SO happy.

>

> A few minutes ago at the bus stop I said to the mom ³you know that

boys are

> 4 times more likely to have autism?². She didn¹t know that. I

just don¹t

> want her stressing about the baby, because it isn¹t good for the

immune

> system. I also mentioned that I would make up a list for her, so

she knows

> what vaccines to give when.

>

> After I closed my door I started crying because I feel like we

should NOT

> have to live like this. Having a child should be a wonderful

experience.

> We shouldn¹t be afraid to have more children. We shouldn¹t

constantly be

> trying to figure out what we did wrong. She told me that she¹s been

> worrying about having another child with autism since the second

she knew

> she was pregnant.

>

> She also told me that her son is calling the baby ³² for

some

> reason. I said, ³See, means victory- that¹s a sign that

everything

> is going to be ok².

>

> -

>

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aw nice. I also worried until the ultrasound where we found out our 2nd was a girl. After that I could relax.christine <christine@...> wrote: My neighbor has a boy with autism (along with 2 other people on our block). Our sons were in the same class last year. The mom told me about 5-6 months ago that she was pregnant, but scared that her next child would have autism too. They are from Central America and they don’t speak fluent English (although

she can understand me most of the time). Anyway, I asked the Dad yesterday if they were having a boy or a girl. He said it was a girl and I was SO happy.A few minutes ago at the bus stop I said to the mom “you know that boys are 4 times more likely to have autism?”. She didn’t know that. I just don’t want her stressing about the baby, because it isn’t good for the immune system. I also mentioned that I would make up a list for her, so she knows what vaccines to give when.After I closed my door I started crying because I feel like we should NOT have to live like this. Having a child should be a wonderful experience. We shouldn’t be afraid to have more children. We shouldn’t constantly be trying to figure out what we did wrong. She told me that she’s been worrying about having another child with autism since the second she knew she was pregnant.She also told me that her son is calling the baby

“” for some reason. I said, “See, means victory- that’s a sign that everything is going to be ok”.-

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..I would be interested to see the list that you draw up as to which are important and when.

any justification for that would be great

thanks

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Interesting exchange

My neighbor has a boy with autism (along with 2 other people on our block). Our sons were in the same class last year. The mom told me about 5-6 months ago that she was pregnant, but scared that her next child would have autism too. They are from Central America and they don’t speak fluent English (although she can understand me most of the time). Anyway, I asked the Dad yesterday if they were having a boy or a girl. He said it was a girl and I was SO happy.A few minutes ago at the bus stop I said to the mom “you know that boys are 4 times more likely to have autism?”. She didn’t know that. I just don’t want her stressing about the baby, because it isn’t good for the immune system. I also mentioned that I would make up a list for her, so she knows what vaccines to give when.After I closed my door I started crying because I feel like we should NOT have to live like this. Having a child should be a wonderful experience. We shouldn’t be afraid to have more children. We shouldn’t constantly be trying to figure out what we did wrong. She told me that she’s been worrying about having another child with autism since the second she knew she was pregnant.She also told me that her son is calling the baby “” for some reason. I said, “See, means victory- that’s a sign that everything is going to be ok”.-

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not sure why y'all are relaxing...the female of my boy/girl twins is the

one with autism...it still happens to the girls, too.

My neighbor has a boy with autism

(along with 2 other people on our block). Our sons were in the same

class last year. The mom told me about 5-6 months ago that she was

pregnant, but scared that her next child would have autism too. They are

from Central America and they don't speak fluent English (although

she can understand me most of the time). Anyway, I asked the Dad

yesterday if they were having a boy or a girl. He said it was a girl and

I was SO happy.

>

> A few minutes ago at the bus stop I said to the mom " you know that

boys are 4 times more likely to have autism? " . She didn't know

that. I just don't want her stressing about the baby, because it

isn't good for the immune system. I also mentioned that I would make

up a list for her, so she knows what vaccines to give when.

>

> After I closed my door I started crying because I feel like we should

NOT have to live like this. Having a child should be a wonderful

experience. We shouldn't be afraid to have more children. We

shouldn't constantly be trying to figure out what we did wrong. She

told me that she's been worrying about having another child with

autism since the second she knew she was pregnant.

>

> She also told me that her son is calling the baby " "

for some reason. I said, " See, means victory- that's a

sign that everything is going to be ok " .

>

> -

>

>

>

>

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Yeah, Allie is a girl with autism. Still, when I got preg after her

dx, I had to say I felt a certain level of relief when we found we

were having another girl. I guess it's the high level of boys, I felt

slightly less chance. Probably pretty silly, but I guess we cling to

what ever we can, lol.

We both belong to the autism_in_girls board, it's easy to see there

just how many girls are affected by autism. They (girls with autism)

are all over my town, too. And we can tell ya, periods & pregnancy in

girls with autism are a fearful thing!

Debi

> >

> > aw nice. I also worried until the ultrasound where we found out our

> 2nd was a girl. After that I could relax.

>

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I wonder how many of you have your first child with autism and never

had more vs. a child further back in birth order, who did opt to have

more? I know some of us have 2-3 kids with autism or more. I cannot

imagine. I had an older typical child when Allie got autism, so I

didn't feel it was an automatic sentence. We got pregnant semi-on

purpose six months after Allie's dx. I remember the night after hubby

accepted the forth positive pregnancy test in a row that I was

probably pregnant. We into our bedroom and opened God's Word for proof

that our baby would be okay. The Bible fell open to 2,

particularly 2:25, " I will repay you for the years the locusts have

eaten... " That's when I knew I had to name if a girl Dinah Grace,

meaning " vindicated by Grace. " She is now 5 yrs old with no

autism...and never been immunized either. So I have 2 without autism

and one with.

I would love to say I could have more kid without worries, but that

would be a lie. Of course I have other health problems and ain't a

spring chick anymore myself, but I hate more than anything to know

parents of kids with autism not only deal with the burden of having a

child, but the sentence of their entire childbirth dreams being shot.

I know Allie wouldn't be near where she is today were it not for her

sisters. I for one dreamed of being a mother since I can remember. In

some ways this experience has ruined my greatest dream in life. For

me, it's like A Tale of Two Cities, it's been the best of times &

worst of times all at once.

What I hope is that my girls can have their families without what

we've all gone through.

Debi

>

> I know, why should we have to live in fear like this? I saw a mom

> with twin girls, around five, and a new baby. She saw our twins and

> we joked that usually twins are the LAST in the line-up. She said she

> must have suffered amnesia. She was in baby euphoria, clearly blissed

> out, a feeling I remember well (and how it came crashing down on

> getting our son's dx). She was cheerfully encouraging us to " keep

> going " and to have more kids. I looked at dh's drawn expression and

> thought of McCarthy saying on Larry King that she'd had her

> butt kicked by autism and wouldn't be having any more children.

>

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I wonder how many of you have your first child with autism and never

had more vs. a child further back in birth order, who did opt to have

more? I know some of us have 2-3 kids with autism or more. I cannot

imagine. I had an older typical child when Allie got autism, so I

didn't feel it was an automatic sentence. We got pregnant semi-on

purpose six months after Allie's dx. I remember the night after hubby

accepted the forth positive pregnancy test in a row that I was

probably pregnant. We into our bedroom and opened God's Word for proof

that our baby would be okay. The Bible fell open to 2,

particularly 2:25, " I will repay you for the years the locusts have

eaten... " That's when I knew I had to name if a girl Dinah Grace,

meaning " vindicated by Grace. " She is now 5 yrs old with no

autism...and never been immunized either. So I have 2 without autism

and one with.

I would love to say I could have more kid without worries, but that

would be a lie. Of course I have other health problems and ain't a

spring chick anymore myself, but I hate more than anything to know

parents of kids with autism not only deal with the burden of having a

child, but the sentence of their entire childbirth dreams being shot.

I know Allie wouldn't be near where she is today were it not for her

sisters. I for one dreamed of being a mother since I can remember. In

some ways this experience has ruined my greatest dream in life. For

me, it's like A Tale of Two Cities, it's been the best of times &

worst of times all at once.

What I hope is that my girls can have their families without what

we've all gone through.

Debi

>

> I know, why should we have to live in fear like this? I saw a mom

> with twin girls, around five, and a new baby. She saw our twins and

> we joked that usually twins are the LAST in the line-up. She said she

> must have suffered amnesia. She was in baby euphoria, clearly blissed

> out, a feeling I remember well (and how it came crashing down on

> getting our son's dx). She was cheerfully encouraging us to " keep

> going " and to have more kids. I looked at dh's drawn expression and

> thought of McCarthy saying on Larry King that she'd had her

> butt kicked by autism and wouldn't be having any more children.

>

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But, the odds are much lower. Plus, I don’t want the mom to stress about it- that doesn’t help either.

On 1/8/08 1:53 PM, " penelope_fam " <p.ray@...> wrote:

not sure why y'all are relaxing...the female of my boy/girl twins is the

one with autism...it still happens to the girls, too.

My neighbor has a boy with autism

(along with 2 other people on our block). Our sons were in the same

class last year. The mom told me about 5-6 months ago that she was

pregnant, but scared that her next child would have autism too. They are

from Central America and they don't speak fluent English (although

she can understand me most of the time). Anyway, I asked the Dad

yesterday if they were having a boy or a girl. He said it was a girl and

I was SO happy.

>

> A few minutes ago at the bus stop I said to the mom " you know that

boys are 4 times more likely to have autism? " . She didn't know

that. I just don't want her stressing about the baby, because it

isn't good for the immune system. I also mentioned that I would make

up a list for her, so she knows what vaccines to give when.

>

> After I closed my door I started crying because I feel like we should

NOT have to live like this. Having a child should be a wonderful

experience. We shouldn't be afraid to have more children. We

shouldn't constantly be trying to figure out what we did wrong. She

told me that she's been worrying about having another child with

autism since the second she knew she was pregnant.

>

> She also told me that her son is calling the baby " "

for some reason. I said, " See, means victory- that's a

sign that everything is going to be ok " .

>

> -

>

>

>

>

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1st boy with ASD, 2nd girl(not up to date with VACS and very spaced) and NTDebi <fightingautism@...> wrote: I wonder how many of you have your first child with autism and neverhad more vs. a child further back in birth order, who did opt to havemore? I know some of us have 2-3 kids with autism or more. I cannotimagine. I had an older typical child when Allie got autism, so Ididn't feel it was an automatic sentence. We got pregnant semi-onpurpose six months after Allie's dx. I remember the night after hubbyaccepted the

forth positive pregnancy test in a row that I wasprobably pregnant. We into our bedroom and opened God's Word for proofthat our baby would be okay. The Bible fell open to 2,particularly 2:25, "I will repay you for the years the locusts haveeaten..." That's when I knew I had to name if a girl Dinah Grace,meaning "vindicated by Grace." She is now 5 yrs old with noautism...and never been immunized either. So I have 2 without autismand one with.I would love to say I could have more kid without worries, but thatwould be a lie. Of course I have other health problems and ain't aspring chick anymore myself, but I hate more than anything to knowparents of kids with autism not only deal with the burden of having achild, but the sentence of their entire childbirth dreams being shot.I know Allie wouldn't be near where she is today were it not for hersisters. I for one dreamed of being a mother since I can remember.

Insome ways this experience has ruined my greatest dream in life. Forme, it's like A Tale of Two Cities, it's been the best of times & worst of times all at once.What I hope is that my girls can have their families without whatwe've all gone through. Debi>> I know, why should we have to live in fear like this? I saw a mom > with twin girls, around five, and a new baby. She saw our twins and > we joked that usually twins are the LAST in the line-up. She said she > must have suffered amnesia. She was in baby euphoria, clearly blissed > out, a feeling I remember well (and how it came crashing down on > getting our son's dx). She was cheerfully encouraging us to "keep > going" and to have more kids. I looked at dh's drawn expression and > thought

of McCarthy saying on Larry King that she'd had her > butt kicked by autism and wouldn't be having any more children. >

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This discussion has come up here before...do you sit by quietly when

you're around someone who's pregnant, or do you shout from the

rooftops what you know about vaccines? I just see it that I was meant

to cross this mother's path and possibly save her child from the hell

of what we are calling autism. A person can do what they want with

the information, but i find most mothers-to-be actually look relieved

and want to know more. the more people we tell, the more people opt

out of vaccines, the more the medical community will have to take a

look at our program, no?

> >

> > My neighbor has a boy with autism (along with 2 other people on our

> block).

> > Our sons were in the same class last year. The mom told me about 5-

> 6 months

> > ago that she was pregnant, but scared that her next child would

> have autism

> > too. They are from Central America and they don¹t speak fluent

> English

> > (although she can understand me most of the time). Anyway, I asked

> the Dad

> > yesterday if they were having a boy or a girl. He said it was a

> girl and I

> > was SO happy.

> >

> > A few minutes ago at the bus stop I said to the mom ³you know that

> boys are

> > 4 times more likely to have autism?². She didn¹t know that. I

> just don¹t

> > want her stressing about the baby, because it isn¹t good for the

> immune

> > system. I also mentioned that I would make up a list for her, so

> she knows

> > what vaccines to give when.

> >

> > After I closed my door I started crying because I feel like we

> should NOT

> > have to live like this. Having a child should be a wonderful

> experience.

> > We shouldn¹t be afraid to have more children. We shouldn¹t

> constantly be

> > trying to figure out what we did wrong. She told me that she¹s been

> > worrying about having another child with autism since the second

> she knew

> > she was pregnant.

> >

> > She also told me that her son is calling the baby ³² for

> some

> > reason. I said, ³See, means victory- that¹s a sign that

> everything

> > is going to be ok².

> >

> > -

> >

>

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This discussion has come up here before...do you sit by quietly when

you're around someone who's pregnant, or do you shout from the

rooftops what you know about vaccines? I just see it that I was meant

to cross this mother's path and possibly save her child from the hell

of what we are calling autism. A person can do what they want with

the information, but i find most mothers-to-be actually look relieved

and want to know more. the more people we tell, the more people opt

out of vaccines, the more the medical community will have to take a

look at our program, no?

> >

> > My neighbor has a boy with autism (along with 2 other people on our

> block).

> > Our sons were in the same class last year. The mom told me about 5-

> 6 months

> > ago that she was pregnant, but scared that her next child would

> have autism

> > too. They are from Central America and they don¹t speak fluent

> English

> > (although she can understand me most of the time). Anyway, I asked

> the Dad

> > yesterday if they were having a boy or a girl. He said it was a

> girl and I

> > was SO happy.

> >

> > A few minutes ago at the bus stop I said to the mom ³you know that

> boys are

> > 4 times more likely to have autism?². She didn¹t know that. I

> just don¹t

> > want her stressing about the baby, because it isn¹t good for the

> immune

> > system. I also mentioned that I would make up a list for her, so

> she knows

> > what vaccines to give when.

> >

> > After I closed my door I started crying because I feel like we

> should NOT

> > have to live like this. Having a child should be a wonderful

> experience.

> > We shouldn¹t be afraid to have more children. We shouldn¹t

> constantly be

> > trying to figure out what we did wrong. She told me that she¹s been

> > worrying about having another child with autism since the second

> she knew

> > she was pregnant.

> >

> > She also told me that her son is calling the baby ³² for

> some

> > reason. I said, ³See, means victory- that¹s a sign that

> everything

> > is going to be ok².

> >

> > -

> >

>

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We have one child with autism and have decided not to have more. I

think it would be way too stressful on the marriage, regardless of

whether the child was typical, but esp. if there were issues. Not

worth it. I am focusing 100% on getting my only child better.

> >

> > I know, why should we have to live in fear like this? I saw a mom

> > with twin girls, around five, and a new baby. She saw our twins

and

> > we joked that usually twins are the LAST in the line-up. She said

she

> > must have suffered amnesia. She was in baby euphoria, clearly

blissed

> > out, a feeling I remember well (and how it came crashing down on

> > getting our son's dx). She was cheerfully encouraging us to " keep

> > going " and to have more kids. I looked at dh's drawn expression

and

> > thought of McCarthy saying on Larry King that she'd had her

> > butt kicked by autism and wouldn't be having any more children.

> >

>

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We have one child with autism and have decided not to have more. I

think it would be way too stressful on the marriage, regardless of

whether the child was typical, but esp. if there were issues. Not

worth it. I am focusing 100% on getting my only child better.

> >

> > I know, why should we have to live in fear like this? I saw a mom

> > with twin girls, around five, and a new baby. She saw our twins

and

> > we joked that usually twins are the LAST in the line-up. She said

she

> > must have suffered amnesia. She was in baby euphoria, clearly

blissed

> > out, a feeling I remember well (and how it came crashing down on

> > getting our son's dx). She was cheerfully encouraging us to " keep

> > going " and to have more kids. I looked at dh's drawn expression

and

> > thought of McCarthy saying on Larry King that she'd had her

> > butt kicked by autism and wouldn't be having any more children.

> >

>

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My first child- a girl, is typical, my

second child- a boy, has Autism, my third, a girl (has only has had vitamin K vaccine

at birth) is also typical. I am pregnant now and don’t know what I am

having. My son with Autism has been blessing in disguise for me and my

family. We have learned acceptance, patience and are even closer to God.

Although it would be challenging if our fourth child has an ASD, we are prepared

to take that risk and care for all our children.

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EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Debi

Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008

1:31 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Interesting

exchange

I wonder how many of you have your first child with

autism and never

had more vs. a child further back in birth order, who did opt to have

more? I know some of us have 2-3 kids with autism or more. I cannot

imagine. I had an older typical child when Allie got autism, so I

didn't feel it was an automatic sentence. We got pregnant semi-on

purpose six months after Allie's dx. I remember the night after hubby

accepted the forth positive pregnancy test in a row that I was

probably pregnant. We into our bedroom and opened God's Word for proof

that our baby would be okay. The Bible fell open to 2,

particularly 2:25, " I will repay you for the years the locusts have

eaten... " That's when I knew I had to name if a girl Dinah Grace,

meaning " vindicated by Grace. " She is now 5 yrs old with no

autism...and never been immunized either. So I have 2 without autism

and one with.

I would love to say I could have more kid without worries, but that

would be a lie. Of course I have other health problems and ain't a

spring chick anymore myself, but I hate more than anything to know

parents of kids with autism not only deal with the burden of having a

child, but the sentence of their entire childbirth dreams being shot.

I know Allie wouldn't be near where she is today were it not for her

sisters. I for one dreamed of being a mother since I can remember. In

some ways this experience has ruined my greatest dream in life. For

me, it's like A Tale of Two Cities, it's been the best of times &

worst of times all at once.

What I hope is that my girls can have their families without what

we've all gone through.

Debi

>

> I know, why should we have to live in fear like this? I saw a mom

> with twin girls, around five, and a new baby. She saw our twins and

> we joked that usually twins are the LAST in the line-up. She said she

> must have suffered amnesia. She was in baby euphoria, clearly blissed

> out, a feeling I remember well (and how it came crashing down on

> getting our son's dx). She was cheerfully encouraging us to " keep

> going " and to have more kids. I looked at dh's drawn expression and

> thought of McCarthy saying on Larry King that she'd had her

> butt kicked by autism and wouldn't be having any more children.

>

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I tell pregnant women and mothers of young

children about vaccines all the time.  However, if I see that they are getting

offended then I apologize and back off. 

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Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008

2:59 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Interesting

exchange

This discussion has come up here before...do you sit

by quietly when

you're around someone who's pregnant, or do you shout from the

rooftops what you know about vaccines? I just see it that I was meant

to cross this mother's path and possibly save her child from the hell

of what we are calling autism. A person can do what they want with

the information, but i find most mothers-to-be actually look relieved

and want to know more. the more people we tell, the more people opt

out of vaccines, the more the medical community will have to take a

look at our program, no?

> >

> > My neighbor has a boy with autism (along with 2 other people on our

> block).

> > Our sons were in the same class last year. The mom told me about 5-

> 6 months

> > ago that she was pregnant, but scared that her next child would

> have autism

> > too. They are from Central America

and they don¹t speak fluent

> English

> > (although she can understand me most of the time). Anyway, I asked

> the Dad

> > yesterday if they were having a boy or a girl. He said it was a

> girl and I

> > was SO happy.

> >

> > A few minutes ago at the bus stop I said to the mom ³you know that

> boys are

> > 4 times more likely to have autism?². She didn¹t know that. I

> just don¹t

> > want her stressing about the baby, because it isn¹t good for the

> immune

> > system. I also mentioned that I would make up a list for her, so

> she knows

> > what vaccines to give when.

> >

> > After I closed my door I started crying because I feel like we

> should NOT

> > have to live like this. Having a child should be a wonderful

> experience.

> > We shouldn¹t be afraid to have more children. We shouldn¹t

> constantly be

> > trying to figure out what we did wrong. She told me that she¹s been

> > worrying about having another child with autism since the second

> she knew

> > she was pregnant.

> >

> > She also told me that her son is calling the baby ³² for

> some

> > reason. I said, ³See, means victory- that¹s a sign that

> everything

> > is going to be ok².

> >

> > -

> >

>

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I will never forget the very valuable advice a good friend gave me on

this very topic. In her words, Dr. Stanley Monteith said it best -

" Once you recognize what is happening, you have a moral obligation

to become involved. "

> > >

> > > My neighbor has a boy with autism (along with 2 other people on

our

> > block).

> > > Our sons were in the same class last year. The mom told me

about 5-

> > 6 months

> > > ago that she was pregnant, but scared that her next child would

> > have autism

> > > too. They are from Central America and they don¹t speak fluent

> > English

> > > (although she can understand me most of the time). Anyway, I

asked

> > the Dad

> > > yesterday if they were having a boy or a girl. He said it was

a

> > girl and I

> > > was SO happy.

> > >

> > > A few minutes ago at the bus stop I said to the mom ³you know

that

> > boys are

> > > 4 times more likely to have autism?². She didn¹t know that. I

> > just don¹t

> > > want her stressing about the baby, because it isn¹t good for

the

> > immune

> > > system. I also mentioned that I would make up a list for her,

so

> > she knows

> > > what vaccines to give when.

> > >

> > > After I closed my door I started crying because I feel like we

> > should NOT

> > > have to live like this. Having a child should be a wonderful

> > experience.

> > > We shouldn¹t be afraid to have more children. We shouldn¹t

> > constantly be

> > > trying to figure out what we did wrong. She told me that she¹s

been

> > > worrying about having another child with autism since the

second

> > she knew

> > > she was pregnant.

> > >

> > > She also told me that her son is calling the baby ³²

for

> > some

> > > reason. I said, ³See, means victory- that¹s a sign

that

> > everything

> > > is going to be ok².

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> >

>

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I would LOVE to have more - no sarcasm. I told my husband I'd take 4

more like our son - severe.

Found out during my c-section that I probably can't have kids,

CGF

>

> I wonder how many of you have your first child with autism and never

> had more vs. a child further back in birth order, who did opt to have

> more? ...

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I have four.

Boy, 15, ADHD

Girl, 5, NT (though I think she may be a bit bi-polar)

Boy, 4, ASD

Girl, 11 months, getting EI.

I think she'll be PDD or ASD, also. She's not talking anywhere near

as well as my older DD (who had 50 words at her 15-month well visit) -

only says hi there, mama, dada - or pointing yet, and hasn't ever

had great eye contact. Except for Vit. K (not a vaccine) at birth,

she has had no vaccines or shots of any kind. The rest of my kids had

everything as scheduled except the middle two won't get the 2nd MMR

or anything after - we'll do titers instead.

Given the baby is still breastfed, allergen-free and I have the most

hypoallergenic diet there is, and she hasn't had vaccines, and she's

still showing signs of an ASD - I can't say I'm 100% convinced the

vaxes have anything to do with it.

One thing is for certain - I HATE not knowing.

So - we still had more post-diagnosis, but won't do it again because

two kids on the spectrum is a lot - heck, for most people 4 NT kids

is a lot! - but also because my pregnancies suck and I can't go

through extended visits to antepartum with the little ones at home.

After I closed my door I started crying because I feel like we

should NOT

> have to live like this. Having a child should be a wonderful

experience.

> We shouldn¹t be afraid to have more children. We shouldn¹t

constantly be

> trying to figure out what we did wrong. She told me that she¹s been

> worrying about having another child with autism since the second

she knew

> she was pregnant.

>

> -

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Pregnancy-- prior to the flu shot during pregnancy-- is the only

window in which most women will even listen to information on

vaccines. The next window is after their child is diagnosed. In

between those windows, once the vaccinations have started, people

typically go into denial. It's human nature: you're telling someone

to close the gate after the horses have already gotten out.

I warn unilaterally, open window or not. I warn pregnant women about

HepB, about flu shots, I give out NVIC's url. I warn women with

infants about infant flu shots or getting flu shots while

breastfeeding. If they're interested, I go on about other

vaccinations. I warn college girls about amassing a body burden. Our

babysitter took her dad to her last ped visit and he stood by to make

sure she didn't get any mercury in the required college shots. I

couldn't get her to say no to all of them, but she did at least

refuse the flu shot and her dad ordered the hg-free menningococcal.

Her dad is really imposing and told the little ped " We don't want her

having a kid with autism " when asked why hg-free.

> > >

> > > My neighbor has a boy with autism (along with 2 other people on

our

> > block).

> > > Our sons were in the same class last year. The mom told me

about 5-

> > 6 months

> > > ago that she was pregnant, but scared that her next child would

> > have autism

> > > too. They are from Central America and they don¹t speak fluent

> > English

> > > (although she can understand me most of the time). Anyway, I

asked

> > the Dad

> > > yesterday if they were having a boy or a girl. He said it was

a

> > girl and I

> > > was SO happy.

> > >

> > > A few minutes ago at the bus stop I said to the mom ³you know

that

> > boys are

> > > 4 times more likely to have autism?². She didn¹t know that. I

> > just don¹t

> > > want her stressing about the baby, because it isn¹t good for

the

> > immune

> > > system. I also mentioned that I would make up a list for her,

so

> > she knows

> > > what vaccines to give when.

> > >

> > > After I closed my door I started crying because I feel like we

> > should NOT

> > > have to live like this. Having a child should be a wonderful

> > experience.

> > > We shouldn¹t be afraid to have more children. We shouldn¹t

> > constantly be

> > > trying to figure out what we did wrong. She told me that she¹s

been

> > > worrying about having another child with autism since the

second

> > she knew

> > > she was pregnant.

> > >

> > > She also told me that her son is calling the baby ³²

for

> > some

> > > reason. I said, ³See, means victory- that¹s a sign

that

> > everything

> > > is going to be ok².

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> >

>

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I usually find a way to mention it in a non-accusatory way. Actually,

just about any pregnant woman I know has come up to me to ask

questions. It's been my experience those who care will ask or notice

small hints, those who are convinced there's no problem will not be

convinced no matter what I say/do. I think I've shared a pregnant

friend who has 11 other pregnant friends have told me they are all

worried and I don't think any of them are going to immunize, if they

do it will be very selective.

I've also found that telling them they could skip some, like don't do

hepB & wait until the child is older, then do one at a time only when

healthy, etc. I've found this to be the most relaxing to pregnant moms

because they don't wanna be around an anti-vaccinating nut as much as

they want support to do the right thing. I guess it's sorta like

planting the seed to make 'em think it was their idea all along?

Debi

>

> This discussion has come up here before...do you sit by quietly when

> you're around someone who's pregnant, or do you shout from the

> rooftops what you know about vaccines? I just see it that I was meant

> to cross this mother's path and possibly save her child from the hell

> of what we are calling autism. A person can do what they want with

> the information, but i find most mothers-to-be actually look relieved

> and want to know more. the more people we tell, the more people opt

> out of vaccines, the more the medical community will have to take a

> look at our program, no?

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I had friends who were anti-vaccine before I ever had kids. I used to

stand with the ped & make fun of them while he shot up my kids. Just

goes to show information isn't always enough. I've since to my closest

friend how much I wish I would have listened to her, she might have

saved my daughter's life if I had only been open to it. That's why I

say for some people it takes a personal experience, it sure did for me.

Debi

>

> I will never forget the very valuable advice a good friend gave me on

> this very topic. In her words, Dr. Stanley Monteith said it best -

> " Once you recognize what is happening, you have a moral obligation

> to become involved. "

>

>

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Or in the words of the late, great Dr. Luther

Knig Jr., " In the end, we will remember not the words

of our enemies, but rather the silence of or friends " .

Re: Interesting exchange

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jenna.keefe

Tue Jan 8, 2008 1:18 pm (PST)

I will never forget the very valuable advice a good

friend gave me on

this very topic. In her words, Dr. Stanley Monteith

said it best -

" Once you recognize what is happening, you have a

moral obligation

to become involved. "

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