Re: Facial features - show warning signs in children/ Fetal Alcohol Syndrome

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Hmmm. I wonder whether some at the NIMH hope to find these " facial

markers " among some autistic children in the hopes of making yet more

shaming parallels in the hopes it will shut environmental injury

proponents up. We're safe because our kids have the reverse of these

features, but what about families whose kids naturally have thin lips

or other of the more vague markers? How scientific is this?

The article admits that low socioeconomic status is a prime risk

factor, then goes on to intimate that Native Americans have

some " genetic " predisposition to alcohol abuse! Pardon my French, but

what a load of SHIT! And racist, eugenic shit to boot.

Despite all the talk about alleles, there's zero evidence for genetic

risks of alcoholism. They've been trying that one for ages and have

attempted to make the same claims about mental illness.

What good does it do to " study " and brand these kids if society isn't

trying to amend the primary risk factors, such as demoralized

populations, punitive Welfare, abusive Medicaid programs, racism,

domestic violence and any of the other stressors that increase

alcoholism among women, not to mention anyone else exposed to these

things?

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One of the big markers is the small space between the upper lip,-- if

its flattening out, more warning signs of Fetal Alcohol.

I know it sounds like a slam against American Indian's but they do

have a high incident rate of alcoholism -

I was just reading something in the news if a Mother drinks while she

is PG, the chances that child will became a drinker too, as the fetus

deveolps a sense of what its use too having. Sounded bizzare but

it may have merit.

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> Hmmm. I wonder whether some at the NIMH hope to find these " facial

> markers " among some autistic children in the hopes of making yet

more

> shaming parallels in the hopes it will shut environmental injury

> proponents up. We're safe because our kids have the reverse of

these

> features, but what about families whose kids naturally have thin

lips

> or other of the more vague markers? How scientific is this?

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> The article admits that low socioeconomic status is a prime risk

> factor, then goes on to intimate that Native Americans have

> some " genetic " predisposition to alcohol abuse! Pardon my French,

but

> what a load of SHIT! And racist, eugenic shit to boot.

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> Despite all the talk about alleles, there's zero evidence for

genetic

> risks of alcoholism. They've been trying that one for ages and have

> attempted to make the same claims about mental illness.

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> What good does it do to " study " and brand these kids if society

isn't

> trying to amend the primary risk factors, such as demoralized

> populations, punitive Welfare, abusive Medicaid programs, racism,

> domestic violence and any of the other stressors that increase

> alcoholism among women, not to mention anyone else exposed to these

> things?

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Unless you are a newborn whose mother drank during pregnancy, the only thing inherent about alcoholism is that it is a "learned" behavior.Children learn how to medicate their problems from their caregivers. If a child sees a parent popping pills for every emotional ill, that child will go on to do the exact same thing. Re: Facial features - show warning signs in

children/ Fetal Alcohol Syndrome

Hmmm. I wonder whether some at the NIMH hope to find these "facial

markers" among some autistic children in the hopes of making yet more

shaming parallels in the hopes it will shut environmental injury

proponents up. We're safe because our kids have the reverse of these

features, but what about families whose kids naturally have thin lips

or other of the more vague markers? How scientific is this?

The article admits that low socioeconomic status is a prime risk

factor, then goes on to intimate that Native Americans have

some "genetic" predisposition to alcohol abuse! Pardon my French, but

what a load of SHIT! And racist, eugenic shit to boot.

Despite all the talk about alleles, there's zero evidence for genetic

risks of alcoholism. They've been trying that one for ages and have

attempted to make the same claims about mental illness.

What good does it do to "study" and brand these kids if society isn't

trying to amend the primary risk factors, such as demoralized

populations, punitive Welfare, abusive Medicaid programs, racism,

domestic violence and any of the other stressors that increase

alcoholism among women, not to mention anyone else exposed to these

things?

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Which proves to me that in utero chemical insults can change the fetus

resulting in real physical manifestations. So why can't chemical

insults in a pregnant mom create autism in the same way? I have good

friends who say, " Oh no - he was born this way. " And I believe them. A

mother knows when her baby is not typical. Even from birth.

Thalidomide babies were born with deformities. But they were not

zygotes with them. (Oooh, big word so early!)

I'm reading an amazing book that I'll talk about later - published over

35 years ago. You'll be astounded by the context and familiarity. I

have to decide where and how to write about it though. I'm meeting the

brother of the subject tomorrow in the city. Stay tuned.

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I also think there's something very real about passing on through the

generations the misery which drives people to drink in the first

place. For anyone who's spent time around alcoholics (my former job

field had high rates), I've noticed there is a component of " stinking

thinking " (AA expression), hyper-criticism, shadenfreude (as Kim once

put it) and other outcroppings of decimated self-esteem that become

part of the alcoholic culture. I also noticed that, by the end of a

work day, it made me want to knock back a couple!

This was unusual for me and I thought about why I was building up

this amount of tension. I realized that I was spending my days

warding off smart-aleck remarks, gossip, criticism, general dog-in-

the-manger stuff and that everyone at my job seemed to be really

heavy imbibers on a regular basis. They all made cracks to each other

and the game was " slice back and smile " . I was the nerd for

objecting. I decided to scratch below the surface, ask people about

their histories and what tales of woe poured out. I felt kind of bad

for setting it off. Growing up with domestic violence, repression,

more domestic violence, abandonment and, of course, a parent or

parents who drank and criticized, needled, mocked, nitpicked, abused,

etc.. And these were mostly unhappy yuppies. One of the few people

from a poor background wasn't overtly mean to anyone but himself, but

he seemed like a powder keg. He didn't notice the nastiness around us

but at least didn't add to it.

So I agree that it's seeing the literal drinking or drugging behavior

being modeled that leads kids to emulate, but there are also

generational manifestations (say that ten times fast) in

interpersonal behavior which dig the holes in people's souls that end

up getting filled with substances. It probably all started with

victimization at some point and went on from there.

But when there's poverty and subjugation in the lives of kids on top

of this, such as with some Native Americans, other minorities and

single mothers, the first thing that should be addressed is that. I

don't think it's appropriate to apply yuppy AA credos to people who

are barely surviving or say to them that they just have to correct

their thinking. Sure, that can help eventually (once everyone's been

fed and has, say, heat and clothing), but not when real survival

issues are the major stressor.

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