Re: mom kills autistic child- antidepressants

[Guest guest]

It sounds the same as many cases in the news lately of women killing

their children while either on or withdrawing from antidepressants,

just like the black box warning (of suicidal AND violent ideation) on

the drugs state. Prior to wide use of antidepressants, mothers

killing or attempting to kill children was statistically a rarity. It

still is, relatively speaking, but the rates have increased along

with wider use of medications.

Being " previously depressed " or " crazy " is not a requirement for

going psycho on the drugs: people have gone nuts on the meds who were

being treated for migraine or insomnia and had never been

depressive. It's not much different than the slew of school

shootings-- the story is frequently that a nice kid suddenly goes

psychotic while on or withdrawing from meds. You can find tons of

cases like this here:

http://www.ssristories.com

McCarron's case is listed by state (Illinois).

I've seen the listserves where this woman used to post and it makes

the story even more tragic. She was an altmed mom like us and the

people who knew her swore she was really decent, normal and helped a

lot of other parents but then began to " change " once on medication.

The press is trying to spin it that it was McCarron's " obsession with

finding a cure for autism " which drove her over the edge or was a

sign of her basic " underlying " insanity. This is definitely a pharma-

driven campaign. My retort to anyone who brings up the case as a way

to shame the altmed community is that her daughter was harmed first

by one set of pharmaceutical products (vaccines) and then by another:

the drugs her mother took.

>

> I got this from another sight, this is so sickening!

>

>

> PEKIN, Ill. (AP) — A woman accused of killing her autistic daughter

> testified Friday that she attempted to suffocate the 3-year-old

with

> a pillow three days before she succeeded with a plastic garbage

bag.

>

> McCarron said she couldn't go through with it using the

pillow.

> When prosecutor asked her how long she held the bag

> over the toddler's head soon after, she replied about two minutes —

> until little stopped struggling.

>

> In a videotaped confession played in court Thursday, McCarron said

> she began having thoughts of hurting her daughter a year before the

> May 2006 slaying but put them out of her mind. On the day of the

> killing, though, the thoughts were stronger than ever.

>

> " They were so intense, " McCarron said.

>

> McCarron, 39, has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity to

murder,

> obstructing justice and concealment of a homicidal death. She was

> found mentally fit to stand trial, but a medical expert hired by

her

> attorneys has said she was insane at the time of the killing.

>

> The trial resumes Monday.

>

> McCarron, a former pathologist, testified she felt responsible for

> 's autism because she allowed the child to get vaccinated.

>

> It " brought me a great deal of guilt, " she said.

>

> McCarron told investigators in the confession taped two days after

> was killed that she wrapped the white plastic bag around the

> child's head as played with toys on the floor at the home of

> McCarron's mother in Peoria.

>

> The child had scratch marks on her head and bite marks were found

> inside her mouth and on the bag as she apparently tried to free

> herself, according to other testimony.

>

> The confession was taped while McCarron was hospitalized after

> attempting suicide, investigators said. Wearing a hospital gown,

she

> appears sitting on a bed next to her husband, McCarron.

>

> McCarron said she killed her child hoping to " fix her " and

give

> her peace in heaven.

>

> " Maybe I could fix her this way, and in heaven she would be

> complete, " she said on the tape.

>

> McCarron said on the videotape that she took her daughter's

> body back to her own house and put her in bed. She then went to the

> store, bought ice cream and returned to her mother's home to get

the

> garbage bag because, " if things get bad, their house would be

> searched. "

>

> Interviewers asked McCarron if she knew what she did was criminally

> wrong.

>

> " I have enough education to know that, " she answered.

>

> McCarron told police she felt like a failure because of the child's

> autism and was sad and hurt because the child couldn't interact

with

> her very well.

>

> " I loved very much, but I hated the autism so, so much, "

> McCarron said. " I hated what it was doing to her. ... I just wanted

> autism out of my life. "

> Hosted by The Associated Press. All rights

reserved.

>

[Guest guest]

" She was really decent, normal and helped a

lot of other parents but then began to " change " once on medication. "

This is really terrible. None of the news stories I read mentioned she

was on anti-depressants. Just like the school shooters.

Wonder how many have to die.

Jeez this is so tragic. So unnecessary. For the sole purpose of making

a bunch of obscenely rich people, even richer (The Big Pharma). If

there is a god, they will rot in hell.

ellen

ich drove her over the edge or was a

> sign of her basic " underlying " insanity. This is definitely a pharma-

> driven campaign. My retort to anyone who brings up the case as a way

> to shame the altmed community is that her daughter was harmed first

> by one set of pharmaceutical products (vaccines) and then by another:

> the drugs her mother took.

>

>

>

> >

> > I got this from another sight, this is so sickening!

> >

> >

> > PEKIN, Ill. (AP) — A woman accused of killing her autistic daughter

> > testified Friday that she attempted to suffocate the 3-year-old

> with

> > a pillow three days before she succeeded with a plastic garbage

> bag.

> >

> > McCarron said she couldn't go through with it using the

> pillow.

> > When prosecutor asked her how long she held the bag

> > over the toddler's head soon after, she replied about two minutes —

> > until little stopped struggling.

> >

> > In a videotaped confession played in court Thursday, McCarron said

> > she began having thoughts of hurting her daughter a year before the

> > May 2006 slaying but put them out of her mind. On the day of the

> > killing, though, the thoughts were stronger than ever.

> >

> > " They were so intense, " McCarron said.

> >

> > McCarron, 39, has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity to

> murder,

> > obstructing justice and concealment of a homicidal death. She was

> > found mentally fit to stand trial, but a medical expert hired by

> her

> > attorneys has said she was insane at the time of the killing.

> >

> > The trial resumes Monday.

> >

> > McCarron, a former pathologist, testified she felt responsible for

> > 's autism because she allowed the child to get vaccinated.

> >

> > It " brought me a great deal of guilt, " she said.

> >

> > McCarron told investigators in the confession taped two days after

> > was killed that she wrapped the white plastic bag around the

> > child's head as played with toys on the floor at the home of

> > McCarron's mother in Peoria.

> >

> > The child had scratch marks on her head and bite marks were found

> > inside her mouth and on the bag as she apparently tried to free

> > herself, according to other testimony.

> >

> > The confession was taped while McCarron was hospitalized after

> > attempting suicide, investigators said. Wearing a hospital gown,

> she

> > appears sitting on a bed next to her husband, McCarron.

> >

> > McCarron said she killed her child hoping to " fix her " and

> give

> > her peace in heaven.

> >

> > " Maybe I could fix her this way, and in heaven she would be

> > complete, " she said on the tape.

> >

> > McCarron said on the videotape that she took her daughter's

> > body back to her own house and put her in bed. She then went to the

> > store, bought ice cream and returned to her mother's home to get

> the

> > garbage bag because, " if things get bad, their house would be

> > searched. "

> >

> > Interviewers asked McCarron if she knew what she did was criminally

> > wrong.

> >

> > " I have enough education to know that, " she answered.

> >

> > McCarron told police she felt like a failure because of the child's

> > autism and was sad and hurt because the child couldn't interact

> with

> > her very well.

> >

> > " I loved very much, but I hated the autism so, so much, "

> > McCarron said. " I hated what it was doing to her. ... I just wanted

> > autism out of my life. "

> > Hosted by The Associated Press. All rights

> reserved.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I know. It's a different story when you think of a decent person

rotting in an institution with the memory of what she did while under

the influence than if you think it's the story of a life-long demonic

narcissist or crazy freak who did the same thing in cold, crazy

blood. Many witnesses said that had formerly been a

sweet, smart kid too.

It's easier to think of these people as demon seeds. If we think of

them as alien, then we can pretend to ourselves that we'd

automatically be tipped off that these people were dangerous because

we'd " see them coming " . Or we can pretend that the same

transformation couldn't happen to us or someone we know.

The censorship in the press lends to this comforting mass delusion.

It is pretty amazing. There's been zero press follow-up the Colorado

church retreat shooter's claims of having been on Prozac. Then the

English-speaking press almost completely censured the fact that the

Finnish School shooter, Pekka- Auvinen, had been on SSRIs and had

even blatantly published this fact himself, along with his opinion

that the drugs were making him feel more aggressive. All that was

published here was that Auvinen, like many of the other shooters, was

a nazi sympathizer.

It's as though no matter how individualistic some of these people are

prior to taking the meds, they gradually become the same person

before they explode into violence. The drugs seem to destroy

individuality. The press never mentions that these kids didn't start

out nazi sympathizers (even if they're part Jewish, like Dylan

Klebold) or whatever. For instance, in one Finnish blog, someone

wrote, " These shooters put the 'SS' in SSRI " . Before they blow, many

latch onto a few cultural icons of mass violence, like nazism or

Stalinism or both. I think the drugs make them feel a certain way and

they grasp onto ready-made cultural models or explanations to format

and make sense of the violent ideation.

Females on the meds who go from previously sane and normal to

psychotic seem to often hear the voices of demons telling them what

to do if they're religious. Even if the drug-induced rationale is

different between the genders, the dissolution of individuality seems

to be most noticeable when women commit these crimes while on the

meds. Historically, women's statistical rates of violent crime have

never shifted one iota when compared to violent crime rates for men:

women commit eight times less violent crimes (in general, when all

catagories are averaged) than men. The only crime which girls seem to

commit more of is juveniles running away from home. Each catagory of

violent crimes committed by women (and even nonviolent crime) has

been static for literally hundreds of years. Nothing that's come

before (not feminism, not urbanization, not violent films, nothing)

has ever changed this. Then came the drugs and the rates are

shifting. That makes you stop and think.

> > >

> > > I got this from another sight, this is so sickening!

> > >

> > >

> > > PEKIN, Ill. (AP) — A woman accused of killing her autistic

daughter

> > > testified Friday that she attempted to suffocate the 3-year-old

> > with

> > > a pillow three days before she succeeded with a plastic garbage

> > bag.

> > >

> > > McCarron said she couldn't go through with it using the

> > pillow.

> > > When prosecutor asked her how long she held the

bag

> > > over the toddler's head soon after, she replied about two

minutes —

> > > until little stopped struggling.

> > >

> > > In a videotaped confession played in court Thursday, McCarron

said

> > > she began having thoughts of hurting her daughter a year before

the

> > > May 2006 slaying but put them out of her mind. On the day of

the

> > > killing, though, the thoughts were stronger than ever.

> > >

> > > " They were so intense, " McCarron said.

> > >

> > > McCarron, 39, has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity to

> > murder,

> > > obstructing justice and concealment of a homicidal death. She

was

> > > found mentally fit to stand trial, but a medical expert hired

by

> > her

> > > attorneys has said she was insane at the time of the killing.

> > >

> > > The trial resumes Monday.

> > >

> > > McCarron, a former pathologist, testified she felt responsible

for

> > > 's autism because she allowed the child to get vaccinated.

> > >

> > > It " brought me a great deal of guilt, " she said.

> > >

> > > McCarron told investigators in the confession taped two days

after

> > > was killed that she wrapped the white plastic bag around

the

> > > child's head as played with toys on the floor at the home

of

> > > McCarron's mother in Peoria.

> > >

> > > The child had scratch marks on her head and bite marks were

found

> > > inside her mouth and on the bag as she apparently tried to free

> > > herself, according to other testimony.

> > >

> > > The confession was taped while McCarron was hospitalized after

> > > attempting suicide, investigators said. Wearing a hospital

gown,

> > she

> > > appears sitting on a bed next to her husband, McCarron.

> > >

> > > McCarron said she killed her child hoping to " fix her "

and

> > give

> > > her peace in heaven.

> > >

> > > " Maybe I could fix her this way, and in heaven she would be

> > > complete, " she said on the tape.

> > >

> > > McCarron said on the videotape that she took her

daughter's

> > > body back to her own house and put her in bed. She then went to

the

> > > store, bought ice cream and returned to her mother's home to

get

> > the

> > > garbage bag because, " if things get bad, their house would be

> > > searched. "

> > >

> > > Interviewers asked McCarron if she knew what she did was

criminally

> > > wrong.

> > >

> > > " I have enough education to know that, " she answered.

> > >

> > > McCarron told police she felt like a failure because of the

child's

> > > autism and was sad and hurt because the child couldn't interact

> > with

> > > her very well.

> > >

> > > " I loved very much, but I hated the autism so, so much, "

> > > McCarron said. " I hated what it was doing to her. ... I just

wanted

> > > autism out of my life. "

> > > Hosted by The Associated Press. All rights

> > reserved.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The rate of infanticide has more than doubled since 1970 with most of

the rise occurring in the late eighties and early nineties (I can't

find the numbers since 2000), then a dip, then a steadying off.

Multiple causes, including sociological conditions and the patterns

of availability of street drugs, must be involved. But the fact that

Prozac went on the market in 1987, followed quickly by the other

blockbuster SSRIs, is worth noting.

I have to agree that vaccine injured children would be particularly

at risk even if the parents were not on meds which increase

suicidality and violence. A sharp peak of child murders occurred

around 1993-1995, which was also one of the autism epidemic spikes if

I'm not mistaken. It's quite strange that this spike occurs in the

middle of a relatively good economy and defies the idea that this is

strictly a crime of poverty.

It's common sense to imagine that if a child who's been injured by

one pharmaceutical product meets with an adult who's been driven mad

by another, this could have an impact on statistics. Scanning

SSRIstories.com certainly gives that impression but current numbers

are difficult to get.

Not that I really want to think about this subject anymore. It's

giving me nightmares.

>

> anacat_11;

>

> " The child had scratch marks on her head and bite marks were found

> inside her mouth and on the bag as she apparently tried to free

> herself, according to other testimony. "

>

>

> What responsibility does McCarron bear in the murder of her

daughter?

>

> > It's not much different than the slew of school

> > shootings-- the story is frequently that a nice kid suddenly goes

> > psychotic while on or withdrawing from meds.

> Really? Every case I am familiar with (not many admittedly)

involves a

> narrative of a person already disturbed in some manner.

>

> > The press is trying to spin it that it was McCarron's " obsession

with

> > finding a cure for autism " which drove her over the edge or was a

> > sign of her basic " underlying " insanity.

> >

> >>

> McCarron, a former pathologist, testified she felt responsible for

> 's autism because she allowed the child to get vaccinated.

>

> It " brought me a great deal of guilt, " she said.

> --

> " Maybe I could fix her this way, and in heaven she would be

complete, "

> she said on the tape.

>

> McCarron told police she felt like a failure because of the child's

> autism and was sad and hurt because the child couldn't interact

with her

> very well.

>

> " I loved very much, but I hated the autism so, so much, "

McCarron

> said. " I hated what it was doing to her. ... I just wanted autism

out of

> my life. "

> <<

>

> She is saying that herself isn't she?

>

> Would be alive if she had been neurotypical? Would she be

alive if

> her autism had been less severe?

>

>

> - Will

>