Re: Blogs are organized against vaccine-safety advocacy groups

[Guest guest]

So we have a traitor in our midst? Lurking & trying to ferret things

out to use against us & then being so cowardly as to post

as " Anonymous " ? Shame.

>

> I posted a comment yesterday about an interaction i was having with

a pediatrician

> (allegedly) on a blog from a Peoria Illinois site. The posts

against me and the were pretty

> vicious and actually predictable. I have recently suspected that

the " neurodiversity " crowd

> had been given the assignment of lurking on all mothering,

prenatal, childcare blogs

> because of some of the same, nearly identical comments are showing

up on multiple

> blogs/. They always start out sounding like " concerned "

parents however, as

> my wife lets me answer their comments, you soon get them bent out

of shape and expose

> the nature of their actions.

>

> So yesterday I posted a " copy and paste " on EoH as a test to see if

my comments would be

> used against me on the little known, low traffic blog of

newsanchormom.blogspot.com/

>

> Well, guess what, in less than 24 hours my post on EoH was copied

onto newsanchormom

> blog and used against me. They are devious, but in the end rather

obvious. I think this

> shows beyond a doubt that there is a deeply organized blog-lurking

program against sites

> like this and many many others. Probably were Leitch

slithered to when he closed his

> website.

>

> Another clue, this blogger is also a brave anonymous coward. Here

it is: (oh, and i am sad

> to say my work has been " debinked " !)

>

>

>

>

> Anonymous has left a new comment on the post " Autism and

Vaccinations " :

>

> To all interested parties.

> Dr. Ayoub gave out the address to this blog in a mocking comment

made to a

> group called " Evidence of Harm " , which is an anti-vaccinationist

group who adhere to the

> faulty science originally offered in Kirby's book " Evidence

of Harm " .

>

> This is his announcement on that site:

> " I have had an exchange with a pediatrician (just out from his

indoctrination,

> err, i mean

> training); it is on a Peoria television station web blog run by a

good

> journalist, Jen

> Christensen. See how much fun I am having... "

>

> I thought that was worth pointing out so that people understand

that the message from

> Ayoub and Best (Foresam) represents the furthesy fringes of

the anti-vaccine agenda.

>

> And so no one questions the ethics of me pointing this out, this is

a statement from the

> guidelines to members of this group:

> " While the EOHarm list is membership moderated, it is a political

and public forum. All

> postings to this list should be considered public, and not private

or confidential

> statements. "

>

> Ayoub's message is well-rehearsed, has been debinked by

scientists and doctors far

> more respected than he (a radiologist), and runs counter to both

common sense and

> accepted medical knowledge.

>

[Guest guest]

There's no question that at least one large PR firm is promoting Big

Pharma's party line about thimerosal on the web. The sheer volume of

" party line material " on blogs and other webpages dwarfs the capacity

of however many numbers the ND claim to have. These posts are done

by professionals- people on the payroll.

[Guest guest]

WOMMA or " Word Of Mouth Marketing Association " writes about having

courted pharmaceutical companies, though-- at least as of last year--

apparently pharma was being cagey about getting openly involved.

Something to do with FDA regulations. But I don't believe for a second

that this means that pharma isn't doing word-of-mouth. I'm certain most

WOMM traffic comes from pharma. I just believe they're doing it

stealthily and circuitously, through third party payroll and front

groups.

http://tinyurl.com/2fo5ot

Does anyone know if it's even legal for a PR firm to unleash a bunch of

laypeople marketers on the web who pretend to be just " moms " or regular

folk, whose duty it is to defend or promote pharmaceutical products?

Wouldn't they have to do this under the table?

>

> There's no question that at least one large PR firm is promoting Big

> Pharma's party line about thimerosal on the web. The sheer volume

of

> " party line material " on blogs and other webpages dwarfs the

capacity

> of however many numbers the ND claim to have. These posts are done

> by professionals- people on the payroll.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Quackbusters is the front group. It includes Orac, Jim Laidler,

Kathleen Seidel, Autism Diva and others.

> >

> > There's no question that at least one large PR firm is promoting

Big

> > Pharma's party line about thimerosal on the web. The sheer

volume

> of

> > " party line material " on blogs and other webpages dwarfs the

> capacity

> > of however many numbers the ND claim to have. These posts are

done

> > by professionals- people on the payroll.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, in defense of the anonymous poster.... " i " appears right next to " u " on

the keyboard...

I'm sure this person knows how to spell " debunked " ... but probably not much

else. LOL

>

> I posted a comment yesterday about an interaction i was having with a

pediatrician

> (allegedly) on a blog from a Peoria Illinois site. The posts against me and

the were pretty

> vicious and actually predictable. I have recently suspected that

the " neurodiversity " crowd

> had been given the assignment of lurking on all mothering, prenatal, childcare

blogs

> because of some of the same, nearly identical comments are showing up on

multiple

> blogs/. They always start out sounding like " concerned " parents

however,

as

> my wife lets me answer their comments, you soon get them bent out of shape and

expose

> the nature of their actions.

>

> So yesterday I posted a " copy and paste " on EoH as a test to see if my

comments would

be

> used against me on the little known, low traffic blog of

newsanchormom.blogspot.com/

>

> Well, guess what, in less than 24 hours my post on EoH was copied onto

newsanchormom

> blog and used against me. They are devious, but in the end rather obvious. I

think this

> shows beyond a doubt that there is a deeply organized blog-lurking program

against

sites

> like this and many many others. Probably were Leitch slithered to when

he closed

his

> website.

>

> Another clue, this blogger is also a brave anonymous coward. Here it is: (oh,

and i am

sad

> to say my work has been " debinked " !)

>

>

>

>

> Anonymous has left a new comment on the post " Autism and Vaccinations " :

>

> To all interested parties.

> Dr. Ayoub gave out the address to this blog in a mocking comment made to a

> group called " Evidence of Harm " , which is an anti-vaccinationist group who

adhere to

the

> faulty science originally offered in Kirby's book " Evidence of Harm " .

>

> This is his announcement on that site:

> " I have had an exchange with a pediatrician (just out from his indoctrination,

> err, i mean

> training); it is on a Peoria television station web blog run by a good

> journalist, Jen

> Christensen. See how much fun I am having... "

>

> I thought that was worth pointing out so that people understand that the

message from

> Ayoub and Best (Foresam) represents the furthesy fringes of the

anti-vaccine

agenda.

>

> And so no one questions the ethics of me pointing this out, this is a

statement from the

> guidelines to members of this group:

> " While the EOHarm list is membership moderated, it is a political and public

forum. All

> postings to this list should be considered public, and not private or

confidential

> statements. "

>

> Ayoub's message is well-rehearsed, has been debinked by scientists and

doctors

far

> more respected than he (a radiologist), and runs counter to both common sense

and

> accepted medical knowledge.

>

[Guest guest]

Well, in defense of the anonymous poster.... " i " appears right next to " u " on

the keyboard...

I'm sure this person knows how to spell " debunked " ... but probably not much

else. LOL

>

> I posted a comment yesterday about an interaction i was having with a

pediatrician

> (allegedly) on a blog from a Peoria Illinois site. The posts against me and

the were pretty

> vicious and actually predictable. I have recently suspected that

the " neurodiversity " crowd

> had been given the assignment of lurking on all mothering, prenatal, childcare

blogs

> because of some of the same, nearly identical comments are showing up on

multiple

> blogs/. They always start out sounding like " concerned " parents

however,

as

> my wife lets me answer their comments, you soon get them bent out of shape and

expose

> the nature of their actions.

>

> So yesterday I posted a " copy and paste " on EoH as a test to see if my

comments would

be

> used against me on the little known, low traffic blog of

newsanchormom.blogspot.com/

>

> Well, guess what, in less than 24 hours my post on EoH was copied onto

newsanchormom

> blog and used against me. They are devious, but in the end rather obvious. I

think this

> shows beyond a doubt that there is a deeply organized blog-lurking program

against

sites

> like this and many many others. Probably were Leitch slithered to when

he closed

his

> website.

>

> Another clue, this blogger is also a brave anonymous coward. Here it is: (oh,

and i am

sad

> to say my work has been " debinked " !)

>

>

>

>

> Anonymous has left a new comment on the post " Autism and Vaccinations " :

>

> To all interested parties.

> Dr. Ayoub gave out the address to this blog in a mocking comment made to a

> group called " Evidence of Harm " , which is an anti-vaccinationist group who

adhere to

the

> faulty science originally offered in Kirby's book " Evidence of Harm " .

>

> This is his announcement on that site:

> " I have had an exchange with a pediatrician (just out from his indoctrination,

> err, i mean

> training); it is on a Peoria television station web blog run by a good

> journalist, Jen

> Christensen. See how much fun I am having... "

>

> I thought that was worth pointing out so that people understand that the

message from

> Ayoub and Best (Foresam) represents the furthesy fringes of the

anti-vaccine

agenda.

>

> And so no one questions the ethics of me pointing this out, this is a

statement from the

> guidelines to members of this group:

> " While the EOHarm list is membership moderated, it is a political and public

forum. All

> postings to this list should be considered public, and not private or

confidential

> statements. "

>

> Ayoub's message is well-rehearsed, has been debinked by scientists and

doctors

far

> more respected than he (a radiologist), and runs counter to both common sense

and

> accepted medical knowledge.

>

[Guest guest]

Oooooooooo I've gone many rounds with Kathleen Seidel.

>

> Quackbusters is the front group. It includes Orac, Jim Laidler,

> Kathleen Seidel, Autism Diva and others.

[Guest guest]

http://tinyurl.com/3xtafa This info on Autism Diva makes it look

like some are professionals.

> >

> > I posted a comment yesterday about an interaction i was having

with a pediatrician

> > (allegedly) on a blog from a Peoria Illinois site. The posts

against me and the were pretty

> > vicious and actually predictable. I have recently suspected

that the " neurodiversity " crowd

> > had been given the assignment of lurking on all mothering,

prenatal, childcare blogs

> > because of some of the same, nearly identical comments are

showing up on multiple

> > blogs/. They always start out sounding

like " concerned " parents however,

> as

> > my wife lets me answer their comments, you soon get them bent

out of shape and

> expose

> > the nature of their actions.

> >

> > So yesterday I posted a " copy and paste " on EoH as a test to

see if my comments would

> be

> > used against me on the little known, low traffic blog of

newsanchormom.blogspot.com/

> >

> > Well, guess what, in less than 24 hours my post on EoH was

copied onto

> newsanchormom

> > blog and used against me. They are devious, but in the end

rather obvious. I think this

> > shows beyond a doubt that there is a deeply organized blog-

lurking program against

> sites

> > like this and many many others. Probably were Leitch

slithered to when he closed

> his

> > website.

> >

> > Another clue, this blogger is also a brave anonymous coward.

Here it is: (oh, and i am

> sad

> > to say my work has been " debinked " !)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Anonymous has left a new comment on the post " Autism and

Vaccinations " :

> >

> > To all interested parties.

> > Dr. Ayoub gave out the address to this blog in a mocking

comment made to a

> > group called " Evidence of Harm " , which is an anti-

vaccinationist group who adhere to

> the

> > faulty science originally offered in Kirby's

book " Evidence of Harm " .

> >

> > This is his announcement on that site:

> > " I have had an exchange with a pediatrician (just out from his

indoctrination,

> > err, i mean

> > training); it is on a Peoria television station web blog run by

a good

> > journalist, Jen

> > Christensen. See how much fun I am having... "

> >

> > I thought that was worth pointing out so that people understand

that the message from

> > Ayoub and Best (Foresam) represents the furthesy fringes

of the anti-vaccine

> agenda.

> >

> > And so no one questions the ethics of me pointing this out,

this is a statement from the

> > guidelines to members of this group:

> > " While the EOHarm list is membership moderated, it is a

political and public forum. All

> > postings to this list should be considered public, and not

private or confidential

> > statements. "

> >

> > Ayoub's message is well-rehearsed, has been debinked by

scientists and doctors

> far

> > more respected than he (a radiologist), and runs counter to

both common sense and

> > accepted medical knowledge.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In case you don't think the CDC monitors this list, someone from the

CDC has checked my blog several times since I posted this.

> > >

> > > I posted a comment yesterday about an interaction i was

having

> with a pediatrician

> > > (allegedly) on a blog from a Peoria Illinois site. The posts

> against me and the were pretty

> > > vicious and actually predictable. I have recently suspected

> that the " neurodiversity " crowd

> > > had been given the assignment of lurking on all mothering,

> prenatal, childcare blogs

> > > because of some of the same, nearly identical comments are

> showing up on multiple

> > > blogs/. They always start out sounding

> like " concerned " parents however,

> > as

> > > my wife lets me answer their comments, you soon get them bent

> out of shape and

> > expose

> > > the nature of their actions.

> > >

> > > So yesterday I posted a " copy and paste " on EoH as a test to

> see if my comments would

> > be

> > > used against me on the little known, low traffic blog of

> newsanchormom.blogspot.com/

> > >

> > > Well, guess what, in less than 24 hours my post on EoH was

> copied onto

> > newsanchormom

> > > blog and used against me. They are devious, but in the end

> rather obvious. I think this

> > > shows beyond a doubt that there is a deeply organized blog-

> lurking program against

> > sites

> > > like this and many many others. Probably were Leitch

> slithered to when he closed

> > his

> > > website.

> > >

> > > Another clue, this blogger is also a brave anonymous coward.

> Here it is: (oh, and i am

> > sad

> > > to say my work has been " debinked " !)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Anonymous has left a new comment on the post " Autism and

> Vaccinations " :

> > >

> > > To all interested parties.

> > > Dr. Ayoub gave out the address to this blog in a mocking

> comment made to a

> > > group called " Evidence of Harm " , which is an anti-

> vaccinationist group who adhere to

> > the

> > > faulty science originally offered in Kirby's

> book " Evidence of Harm " .

> > >

> > > This is his announcement on that site:

> > > " I have had an exchange with a pediatrician (just out from

his

> indoctrination,

> > > err, i mean

> > > training); it is on a Peoria television station web blog run

by

> a good

> > > journalist, Jen

> > > Christensen. See how much fun I am having... "

> > >

> > > I thought that was worth pointing out so that people

understand

> that the message from

> > > Ayoub and Best (Foresam) represents the furthesy fringes

> of the anti-vaccine

> > agenda.

> > >

> > > And so no one questions the ethics of me pointing this out,

> this is a statement from the

> > > guidelines to members of this group:

> > > " While the EOHarm list is membership moderated, it is a

> political and public forum. All

> > > postings to this list should be considered public, and not

> private or confidential

> > > statements. "

> > >

> > > Ayoub's message is well-rehearsed, has been debinked by

> scientists and doctors

> > far

> > > more respected than he (a radiologist), and runs counter to

> both common sense and

> > > accepted medical knowledge.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

How do you know? Do you have evidence you can share with us?

>

> In case you don't think the CDC monitors this list, someone from the

> CDC has checked my blog several times since I posted this.

>

[Guest guest]

, Yes, evidence is below from Stat counter, one from NIH and

one from CDC.

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> >

> > In case you don't think the CDC monitors this list, someone from

the

> > CDC has checked my blog several times since I posted this.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, Yes, evidence is below from Stat counter, one from NIH and

one from CDC.

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> >

> > In case you don't think the CDC monitors this list, someone from

the

> > CDC has checked my blog several times since I posted this.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Holy & *^%.

> > >

> > > In case you don't think the CDC monitors this list, someone

from

> the

> > > CDC has checked my blog several times since I posted this.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Over the last couple of years, my blog's been visited by the CDC, the

NIH, congressional offices, and a particular law firm representing

vaccine manufacturers. And oh yes, I can't omit the occasional visits

from my personal favorite, the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. :-)

Wade

http://injectingsense.blogspot.com

> > > >

> > > > In case you don't think the CDC monitors this list, someone

> from

> > the

> > > > CDC has checked my blog several times since I posted this.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Site Meter (at http://www.sitemeter.com)

It's free, and can tell you not just how many, but gives detail on

each visitor, including location, server, ISP, and referral (including

the search terms someone used to find the site).

Wade

>

> >

> > Over the last couple of years, my blog's been visited by the CDC, the

> > NIH, congressional offices, and a particular law firm representing

> > vaccine manufacturers. And oh yes, I can't omit the occasional visits

> > from my personal favorite, the Children's Hospital of

Philadelphia. :-)

> >

> > Wade

> > http://injectingsense.blogspot.com

> >

[Guest guest]

Oooh, fun. I added it to my NAA Conference Notes blog

www.naaconferencenotes.blogspot.com Howzabout a few of you check it

out briefly so I can see how it works? And I wonder if I'll get some

fun visitors when I add the blog about the Insel & sidekick speech?

> >

>

> > >

> > > Over the last couple of years, my blog's been visited by the

CDC, the

> > > NIH, congressional offices, and a particular law firm

representing

> > > vaccine manufacturers. And oh yes, I can't omit the occasional

visits

> > > from my personal favorite, the Children's Hospital of

> Philadelphia. :-)

> > >

> > > Wade

> > > http://injectingsense.blogspot.com

> > >

>