Re: We need to change the rhetoric. Starting right now!

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately some people conjure up a forest in an attempt to keep

the rest of us from seeing the trees.

There are many good rebuttals. Here are two:

J Child Neurol. 2007 Nov;22(11):1308-11.

Blood levels of mercury are related to diagnosis of autism: a

reanalysis of an important data set.

Desoto MC, Hitlan RT.

Department of Psychology, University of Northern Iowa, Cedar Falls,

Iowa 50614, USA. cathy.desoto@...

The question of what is leading to the apparent increase in autism is

of great importance. Like the link between aspirin and heart attack,

even a small effect can have major health implications. If there is

any link between autism and mercury, it is absolutely crucial that

the first reports of the question are not falsely stating that no

link occurs. We have reanalyzed the data set originally reported by

Ip et al. in 2004 and have found that the original p value was in

error and that a significant relation does exist between the blood

levels of mercury and diagnosis of an autism spectrum disorder.

Moreover, the hair sample analysis results offer some support for the

idea that persons with autism may be less efficient and more variable

at eliminating mercury from the blood.

PMID: 18006963 [PubMed - in process]

And:

http://www.ageofautism.com/2007/12/this-can.html

>

> In the last two weeks I have read more than 1000 headlines which

> say " Thimerosal does not cause autism " . I agree. This is why and

this

> is how I respond to anyone who says this.

>

> " I don't think anyone is really claiming that mercury (thimerosal)

> causes autism. What they are claiming is that mercury causes

> neuroinflammatory disease. We now know, through 11 published, peer-

> reviewed papers, that this is the underlying medical condition of

> autism. What causes inflammation? One hundred and fifty-six (156)

> published papers say mercury. Where does the mercury come from? For

> newborns and infants, vaccines dwarf all other sources " .

>

> These numbers come from doing a Pubmed search for " autism

> neuroinflammation " and " mercury inflammation " . Pubmed is the

largest

> medical search engine who's abstracts are available for free to the

> general public.

>

> They are trying to make this go away by using censorship,

propaganda

> and tobacco science. Write, write, write........

>

[Guest guest]

And why aren’t we asking “is thimerosal safe”?

On 1/20/08 1:32 PM, " mwagnit " <mwagnit@...> wrote:

In the last two weeks I have read more than 1000 headlines which

say " Thimerosal does not cause autism " . I agree. This is why and this

is how I respond to anyone who says this.

" I don't think anyone is really claiming that mercury (thimerosal)

causes autism. What they are claiming is that mercury causes

neuroinflammatory disease. We now know, through 11 published, peer-

reviewed papers, that this is the underlying medical condition of

autism. What causes inflammation? One hundred and fifty-six (156)

published papers say mercury. Where does the mercury come from? For

newborns and infants, vaccines dwarf all other sources " .

These numbers come from doing a Pubmed search for " autism

neuroinflammation " and " mercury inflammation " . Pubmed is the largest

medical search engine who's abstracts are available for free to the

general public.

They are trying to make this go away by using censorship, propaganda

and tobacco science. Write, write, write........

[Guest guest]

"...and why aren't we asking is thimerosal safe?"________________________________________________________________________________________

My sentiments exactly. I keep going back to a quote I saw a while back.

"You couldn't even construct a study that shows thimerosal is safe. It's just too darn toxic. If you inject thimerosal into an animal, its brain will sicken. If you apply it to living tissue, the cells die. If you put it in a petri dish, the culture dies. Knowing these things, it would be shocking if one could inject it into an infant without causing damage." ----Dr. Boyd Haley, Professor and Chair, Dept. of Chemistry, University of Kentucky and one of the world's leading authorities on mercury toxicity. (Excerpt from Deadly Immunity)

Well if that's the case, all their epidemiology studies are for naught. If they can't prove a compound is SAFE to be injected into the human body, then all the numbers they generate are irrelevant.

As I understand it, in reading the CFR, an ingredient needs to be shown it is safe before it can be added to a biological (vaccine). Unless of course you are a mega-billion dollar drug industry and have bought the FDA, CDC, IOM, and enough Senators to write the laws for your own benefit and not societies benefit.

Maybe some of the honest scientists on this list can design a protocol showing mercury is safe for injecting into babies and put this argument to rest.

I won't hold my breath.

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