Re: thimerosal removal info wanted

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What an elegant analogy for something as horrific as fetal uptake of ethylmercury.

It's the perfect crime. There's no ethical way to test for this in utero, is there?

- Hokkanen

Re: thimerosal removal info wanted

Posted by: " G. King" drking@... doctorking3

Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:38 am (PST)

Pat Howregan and all,I'm sure you have heard of the "SHELL GAME."You know, misdirection to get the "mark" to look where you want him to while the "pea" is moved somewhere else.In the "Thimerosal Shell Game," in 2002, the CDC moved the pea to the Thimerosal-preserved flu shot by recommending it be given to: a) pregnant women (where the toxic effects are much higher) and babies 6 to 23 months of age (where the toxic effects are similar to what they were before), WHILE: 1. LOUDLY CLAIMING that the STOCKS of certain "Thimerosal-preserved childhood vaccines" had been "greatly reduced" AND 2. IGNORING the fact that NO safety studies had PROVED the "reduced Thimerosal" vaccines (that were replacing the Thimerosal-preserved ones) were SAFE.Now that we ALL understand this SHELL GAME, hopefully, you will stop, under the GUISE of "Skepticism is healthy," trying to direct our attention AWAY from:1. The PROVEN-FALSE 1999 PROMISE that Thimerosalwould be removed from ALL vaccines as soon as possible, and2. The factual reality that Thimerosal-preserved vaccines are STILL being approved, and injected into pregnant women and children in America TODAY!FACTUALLY, THIMEROSAL HAS NOT BEEN REMOVED FROM ALLVACCINES GIVEN TO CHILDREN FROM CONCEPTION ONWARDS!Hopefully, with this response, you and your fellowlurkers will see that your posts appear to indicatethat you are simply "pitch men" and/or "front men" for those who are running this "racket," the "Thimerosal Shell Game" RACKET.Regards,Dr. Kinghttp;//www.dr-king.com

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Actually, I was being quite serious.

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The recommendation for flu shots in pregnancy is that they're given

after the period in which amnios are performed. Not that I even

agreed to an amnio because of the doubled risk to the twins. So, no,

they can't ethically test the fetus for mercury poisoning, much less

the immediate effects of it. It is the perfect crime and that is the

perfect analogy.

I'm trying to figure out what Batts and Howregan are anagrams for or

if the names were chosen off the cuff, like the sock puppet names

used by spammers which get past spam filters, which sound like the

names from bad screenplays.

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> What an elegant analogy for something as horrific as fetal uptake

of ethylmercury.

>

> It's the perfect crime. There's no ethical way to test for this in

utero, is there?

>

> - Hokkanen

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> Re: thimerosal removal info wanted

> Posted by: " G. King " drking@... doctorking3

> Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:38 am (PST)

> Pat Howregan and all,

>

> I'm sure you have heard of the " SHELL GAME. "

>

> You know, misdirection to get the " mark " to

> look where you want him to while the " pea "

> is moved somewhere else.

>

> In the " Thimerosal Shell Game, " in 2002, the

> CDC moved the pea to the Thimerosal-preserved

> flu shot by recommending it be given to: a)

> pregnant women (where the toxic effects are

> much higher) and babies 6 to 23 months of

> age (where the toxic effects are similar to

> what they were before), WHILE:

> 1. LOUDLY CLAIMING that the STOCKS of certain

> " Thimerosal-preserved childhood vaccines "

> had been " greatly reduced " AND

> 2. IGNORING the fact that NO safety studies

> had PROVED the " reduced Thimerosal " vaccines

> (that were replacing the Thimerosal-preserved

> ones) were SAFE.

>

> Now that we ALL understand this SHELL GAME,

> hopefully, you will stop, under the GUISE of

> " Skepticism is healthy, " trying to direct our

> attention AWAY from:

> 1. The PROVEN-FALSE 1999 PROMISE that Thimerosal

> would be removed from ALL vaccines as soon as

> possible, and

> 2. The factual reality that Thimerosal-preserved

> vaccines are STILL being approved, and injected

> into pregnant women and children in America

> TODAY!

>

> FACTUALLY, THIMEROSAL HAS NOT BEEN REMOVED FROM ALL

> VACCINES GIVEN TO CHILDREN FROM CONCEPTION ONWARDS!

>

> Hopefully, with this response, you and your fellow

> lurkers will see that your posts appear to indicate

> that you are simply " pitch men " and/or " front men "

> for those who are running this " racket, " the

> " Thimerosal Shell Game " RACKET.

>

> Regards,

>

> Dr. King

> http;//www.dr-king.com

>

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Pat,

Did you miss the ND memo? According to the memo, the autism epidemic

is simply a matter of better diagnosing.

You guys can't have it both ways, Pat... You can't claim that it's

*only* better diagnosing/no real increase in the numbers of children

with autism and then say -- why are the numbers still going up?

Better diagnosis, remember? See, isn't this fun?

By the way, any vaccination safety studies yet, Pat? The ones that

will *conclusively* put aside any fears of unsafe vaccinations.

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Aasa, I did watch Dr. Horowitz' video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2gteHfCa_k and found the interview

with Dr. Hilleman especially creepy because of the intermittent

laughter which was supposed to be part of the original.

I also remember the UPI story about how Kanner's first autism patient

- the first person ever diagnosed with autism, was supposedly later

cured by injection of gold salts.

http://littlelink.webtrouble.com/?RZHZ

The article says in part:

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's joints swelled up; he had high fevers; he couldn't eat. His

father told a family doctor in a nearby town: " It looks like Don's

getting ready to die. " Sight unseen, the doctor offered a possible

diagnosis: A rare case of juvenile rheumatoid arthritis (JRA).

His parents took to the Clinic in Memphis, where he

got a series of gold salts injections, the standard remedy of the day.

The treatment was a spectacular success, his brother said. And to my

astonishment, he wasn't just talking about the arthritis symptoms,

which cleared up except for one fused knuckle.

" When he was finally released, the nervous condition he was formerly

afflicted with was gone, " the brother said. " The proclivity toward

excitability and extreme nervousness had all but cleared up. "

was able to attend high school, graduate from college, work at a bank,

live on his own.

A " good adjustment, " indeed. Or, as his brother put it, " a miraculous

response to the medicine. "

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Gold, mercury, autism, arthritis?

Go figure.

Marty

> > I'm trying to remember the original story of how

> thimerosal came to

> > be - to some extent - removed from most of the childhood vaccines.

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> > Wasn't there a story about 8 years ago of how a top official with

> > (CDC, IOM??) said they hadn't bothered to add up the total exposure

> > kids were getting from the revised vacc schedule? And then when they

> > did take the time to add up all the mercury being injected they

> > realized it was too much, hence the recommendation.

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> > Can anyone point me to some links, references for this? It's been a

> > long time I know, and am unable to come up with anything on Google.

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Probably not.

But isn't it interesting that it would be unethical to

TEST a product on fetal exposure concerns, but not

unethical to go ahead and USE and untested product on

pregnant women...

We live in a really effed-up world.

Re: thimerosal removal info wanted

Posted by: " Hokkanen " nhokkanen@...

nhokkanen

Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:51 am (PST)

What an elegant analogy for something as horrific as

fetal uptake of ethylmercury.

It's the perfect crime. There's no ethical way to test

for this in utero, is there?

- Hokkanen

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I never saw that memo.Did you get the memo on the difference between prevalence and incidence?celiacdaughter <suemisiaszek@...> wrote: Pat, Did you miss the ND memo? According to the memo, the autism epidemic is simply a matter of better diagnosing. You guys can't have it both ways, Pat... You can't claim that it's *only* better diagnosing/no real increase in the numbers of children with autism and then say -- why are the numbers still going up? Better diagnosis, remember? See, isn't this fun?

By the way, any vaccination safety studies yet, Pat? The ones that will *conclusively* put aside any fears of unsafe vaccinations. > > >>> > > >>>A Feb. 2002 spot check found only 1.7 percent > > >>>of pediatric vaccines on physicians shelves > > >>>still contained thimerosal. > > >>> > > >>> <<SNIP>> > > > > > > >

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-Pat I think you would be better served going to a lst that has self

diagnosed people. I think there is one called neuro nit.com You would

likely feel more comfortable there

-- In EOHarm , Pat Howregan <pathow73clp@...> wrote:

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> Dr. King, can you explain why the CDDC numbers haven't gone down?

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> helena_batts <helena_batts@...>

wrote: Say Dr. King, you seem to be

extremely knowledible and well versed

> in pediatric neurology. Any reason why you haven't offered

yourself

> up as an expert witness for our side? You couldn't possibly do

any

> worse than Geier.

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because they didn't manufacture of enough thimerosal-free vaccines to cover the child population. it took some time to do that. Also because the ones with thimerosal have a long shelf life and some that had been made in perhaps 200 had a 5 year shelf life and thus were still used in doctor's offices. maurinePat Howregan <pathow73clp@...> wrote: If thimerosal-free pediatric vaccines were manufactured in 2001, as you say, then why is it improbable that less than 2 percent vaccines on doctors' shelves in Feb.

2002 still contained thimerosal? Dad Fourkids <dad_4_kids > wrote: Not only does that NOT clear things up, it actuallymakes it LESS credible.The lady from the FDA clearly told Burton's comitteein 00 that thimerosal could NOT be phased outimmediately because it would take time to reformulateand the earliest lots that could be done were thosestarted in 01. I find it astounding that anyone couldbelieve that physicians had reformulated products intheir pantries at least 1 full year before theirmanufacture could begin.Which alphabet org. do you work for Pat? Or is itGSK, Merck or Lilly?Re: thimerosal removal info wanted Posted by: "Pat Howregan" pathow73clp pathow73clp Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:22 pm (PST)

The CDC was not counting vaccines that "Pharma" had ininventory. Researchers were counting vaccines thatphysicians kept in their own clinics. It wasn'tnecessary to "guess" how many jabs were left.Hope that clears things up.__________________________________________________________Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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and likely the rest of us would feel more comfortable too.sammysouthie <sammysouthie@...> wrote: -Pat I think you would be better served going to a lst that has self diagnosed people. I think there is one called neuro nit.com You would likely feel more comfortable there-- In EOHarm , Pat Howregan <pathow73clp@...> wrote:>> Dr. King, can you explain why the CDDC numbers haven't gone down?> > > helena_batts

<helena_batts@...> wrote: Say Dr. King, you seem to be extremely knowledible and well versed > in pediatric neurology. Any reason why you haven't offered yourself > up as an expert witness for our side? You couldn't possibly do any > worse than Geier.> > > > >>> > > >>>A Feb. 2002 spot check found only 1.7 percent > > >>>of pediatric vaccines on physicians shelves > > >>>still

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-Maureen,I would no more go on a Nd site than gulp thimerosal why do

these types want to come here? All these extremist are giving autism

a bad name. You know these people who " self diagnos " I think they are

just derelects looking for a scapegoat,and attention. Do we have any

psychs here to treat them?

-- In EOHarm , Maurine Meleck <maurine_meleck@...>

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> and likely the rest of us would feel more comfortable too.

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> sammysouthie <sammysouthie@...> wrote: -Pat I think you

would be better served going to a lst that has self

> diagnosed people. I think there is one called neuro nit.com You

would

> likely feel more comfortable there

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> -- In EOHarm , Pat Howregan <pathow73clp@> wrote:

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> > Dr. King, can you explain why the CDDC numbers haven't gone down?

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> > helena_batts <helena_batts@>

> wrote: Say Dr. King, you seem to be

> extremely knowledible and well versed

> > in pediatric neurology. Any reason why you haven't offered

> yourself

> > up as an expert witness for our side? You couldn't possibly do

> any

> > worse than Geier.

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> > > >>>A Feb. 2002 spot check found only 1.7 percent

> > > >>>of pediatric vaccines on physicians shelves

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HI, and i will miss all the fun as I am moving (neaby tho) and will be out of a computer for a few days. This will be hard. maurinesammysouthie <sammysouthie@...> wrote: -Maureen,I would no more go on a Nd site than gulp thimerosal why do these types want to come here? All these extremist are giving autism a bad name. You know these people who "self diagnos" I think they are just derelects looking for a scapegoat,and attention. Do we have any psychs here to treat them?-- In EOHarm , Maurine Meleck <maurine_meleck@...> wrote:>> and likely the rest of us would feel more comfortable too.> > sammysouthie <sammysouthie@...> wrote: -Pat I think you would be better served going to a lst that has self > diagnosed people. I think there is one called neuro nit.com You would > likely feel more comfortable there> > -- In EOHarm , Pat Howregan <pathow73clp@> wrote:> >> > Dr. King, can you explain why the CDDC numbers haven't gone down?> > > > > > helena_batts <helena_batts@> > wrote: Say Dr. King, you seem to be > extremely knowledible and well versed > > in pediatric neurology. Any reason why you haven't offered > yourself > >

up as an expert witness for our side? You couldn't possibly do > any > > worse than Geier.> > > > > > > >>> > > > >>>A Feb. 2002 spot check found only 1.7 percent > > > >>>of pediatric vaccines on physicians shelves > > > >>>still contained thimerosal.> > > >>>> > > >>> <<SNIP>>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search.> >> > > > > >

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Glaxo Engerix B approval date for thimerosal free is 1-30-07

Glaxo Pediarix DTaP HepB-IPV approval date for thimerosal free in 1/29/07

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1

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Pat Howregan,

Yes, I can and already have.

Suggest you read all my

posts if you want my answer

because " it's in there " --

if you know what I mean

and the " pea " is still there

it has just been moved to

the flu vaccines given to

pregnant women and babies

without the REQUIRED proof

of toxicological safety to

the legal " CGMP " minimum,

" sufficiently nontoxic ... "

as set forth in 21 CFR Sec.

610.15(a).

Regards,

Dr. King

http://www.dr-king.com

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At 05:24 1/23/08 -0800, Pat Howregan wrote:

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>Dr. King, can you explain why the CDDC

>numbers haven't gone down?

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I am well versed on the issue of prevalence vs. incidence - Thank

you very much. Unfortunately for you ... it proves nothing (unless

you do have some sort of super-secret memo from the ND's which will

prove otherwise). Feel free to forward.

Any conclusive safety studies on vaccinations yet, Pat?

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