Re: I'm new! - Are vaccines really mercury free or is that hog wash?!?!?

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't believe that any given batch of vaccines was hg-free for a

minute despite the label. Why would they be mercury-free when industry

has complete impunity to put whatever crap (literally) they want into

vaxes? Someone else here can explain how vaccine equipment and the

vacines themselves (?) are " washed " with thimerosal prior to production

and then the thimerosal is supposedly strained out. I don't really

understand this process-- probably because it's industry drivel

for: " Oops, there's still e-hg in your kids' vaccines " .

The following are reports on random testing funded by parents through a

respectable lab in the U.S.-- supposedly hg-free vaccines were not and,

what's more, some appear to have huge amounts of aluminum. Aluminum, as

you probably know, amplifies mercury's deadly effects.

http://www.whale.to/a/mercury7.html

http://tinyurl.com/2dwu9d

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> I was pretty sure at one point I read that all vaccines had some

level

> of mercury, but it was low enough for them to say that it was mercury

> free. I know that flu vacccines are loaded, but have they really

taken

> it out. OUr pediatrician says that their vaccines are mercury free,

> and of course I don't believe her and I have chosen to not vaccinate

my

> child yet if ever. She's a sensitive child and I am almost positive

> she couldn't deal with all of the toxins. She has a hard enough time

> with food.

>

> Please help me settle this. My mother in law says she trusts the

> doctor, and I said I didn't. I need some proof!

>

[Guest guest]

There is a regulation (somewhere, unfortunately) that thimerosal content below a certain level does not have to be listed on package inserts. Is it below or less than 5 mcg? I am not entirely sure of the exact level, but am sure that such a regulation/law exists. Just because we don't see thimerosal listed on a vaccine's package insert, does not mean it was never there, or that traces of it are not still there. Often, thimerosal is used in the processing/making of vaccines, and no-one can assure us that nanomolar levels of it have been removed fully from the vaccines, because thimerosal can cause damage even at minute, nanomolar levels. Aasaanacat_11 <anacat_11@...> wrote: I wouldn't believe that any given batch of vaccines was hg-free for a minute despite the label. Why would they be mercury-free when industry has complete impunity to put whatever crap (literally) they want into vaxes? Someone else here can explain how vaccine equipment and the vacines themselves (?) are "washed" with thimerosal prior to production and then the thimerosal is supposedly strained out. I don't really understand this process-- probably because it's industry drivel for: "Oops, there's still e-hg in your kids' vaccines". The following are reports on random testing funded by parents through a respectable lab in the U.S.-- supposedly hg-free vaccines were not and, what's more, some appear to have huge amounts of aluminum. Aluminum, as

you probably know, amplifies mercury's deadly effects. http://www.whale.to/a/mercury7.htmlhttp://tinyurl.com/2dwu9d--- In EOHarm , "watson.sonja" <watson.sonja@...> wrote:>> I was pretty sure at one point I read that all vaccines had some level > of mercury, but it was low enough for them to say that it was mercury > free. I know that flu vacccines are loaded, but have they really taken > it out. OUr pediatrician says that their vaccines are mercury free, > and of course I don't believe her and I have chosen to not vaccinate my > child yet if ever. She's a sensitive child and I am almost positive > she couldn't deal with all of the toxins. She has a hard enough time > with food.>

> Please help me settle this. My mother in law says she trusts the > doctor, and I said I didn't. I need some proof!>

[Guest guest]

There is a regulation (somewhere, unfortunately) that thimerosal content below a certain level does not have to be listed on package inserts. Is it below or less than 5 mcg? I am not entirely sure of the exact level, but am sure that such a regulation/law exists. Just because we don't see thimerosal listed on a vaccine's package insert, does not mean it was never there, or that traces of it are not still there. Often, thimerosal is used in the processing/making of vaccines, and no-one can assure us that nanomolar levels of it have been removed fully from the vaccines, because thimerosal can cause damage even at minute, nanomolar levels. Aasaanacat_11 <anacat_11@...> wrote: I wouldn't believe that any given batch of vaccines was hg-free for a minute despite the label. Why would they be mercury-free when industry has complete impunity to put whatever crap (literally) they want into vaxes? Someone else here can explain how vaccine equipment and the vacines themselves (?) are "washed" with thimerosal prior to production and then the thimerosal is supposedly strained out. I don't really understand this process-- probably because it's industry drivel for: "Oops, there's still e-hg in your kids' vaccines". The following are reports on random testing funded by parents through a respectable lab in the U.S.-- supposedly hg-free vaccines were not and, what's more, some appear to have huge amounts of aluminum. Aluminum, as

you probably know, amplifies mercury's deadly effects. http://www.whale.to/a/mercury7.htmlhttp://tinyurl.com/2dwu9d--- In EOHarm , "watson.sonja" <watson.sonja@...> wrote:>> I was pretty sure at one point I read that all vaccines had some level > of mercury, but it was low enough for them to say that it was mercury > free. I know that flu vacccines are loaded, but have they really taken > it out. OUr pediatrician says that their vaccines are mercury free, > and of course I don't believe her and I have chosen to not vaccinate my > child yet if ever. She's a sensitive child and I am almost positive > she couldn't deal with all of the toxins. She has a hard enough time > with food.>

> Please help me settle this. My mother in law says she trusts the > doctor, and I said I didn't. I need some proof!>

[Guest guest]

Thanks. It is safe to say that you can't trust what they say

anyways. I " m so paranoid. I know it's more than mercury that's

causing issues, and the combination effect is even worse. Are other

countries doing any different. I thought that some of the other

countries had banned some of the chemicals. I just wonder if they

have the same scandals over there as we do here.

Sonja

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> > I was pretty sure at one point I read that all vaccines had some

> level

> > of mercury, but it was low enough for them to say that it was

mercury

> > free. I know that flu vacccines are loaded, but have they really

> taken

> > it out. OUr pediatrician says that their vaccines are mercury

free,

> > and of course I don't believe her and I have chosen to not

vaccinate

> my

> > child yet if ever. She's a sensitive child and I am almost

positive

> > she couldn't deal with all of the toxins. She has a hard enough

time

> > with food.

> >

> > Please help me settle this. My mother in law says she trusts the

> > doctor, and I said I didn't. I need some proof!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks. It is safe to say that you can't trust what they say

anyways. I " m so paranoid. I know it's more than mercury that's

causing issues, and the combination effect is even worse. Are other

countries doing any different. I thought that some of the other

countries had banned some of the chemicals. I just wonder if they

have the same scandals over there as we do here.

Sonja

> >

> > I was pretty sure at one point I read that all vaccines had some

> level

> > of mercury, but it was low enough for them to say that it was

mercury

> > free. I know that flu vacccines are loaded, but have they really

> taken

> > it out. OUr pediatrician says that their vaccines are mercury

free,

> > and of course I don't believe her and I have chosen to not

vaccinate

> my

> > child yet if ever. She's a sensitive child and I am almost

positive

> > she couldn't deal with all of the toxins. She has a hard enough

time

> > with food.

> >

> > Please help me settle this. My mother in law says she trusts the

> > doctor, and I said I didn't. I need some proof!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You could say that it sort of forfeits the distinction of being

paranoid if someone out there actually is out to get you.

I've been trying to track down the information about other countries'

vaccine content and schedules for a long time. All I've found out is

that South and Central America and Mexico get vaccines with reputedly

full mercury, as do many African countries. My assumption is that

we're exporting autism to these nations and some are, perhaps

consequently, reporting jumps in ASD.

Then I read that some Scandinavian countries have banned e-hg in

vaccines and other products. France requires-- sort of-- only three

pediatric vaccines, though many French complain that parents are not

told that only these three are required and not the slew of others

offered. Parents are thereby " tricked " into giving their kids too

many vaxes because they assume they have to get them.

This list heard from a parent in GB who wrote that, though their

pediatric vaccines are supposedly hg-free, their flu shots have the

same mercury content as here and the uptake has been high for

pregnant women and infants. This issue is not often repeated when

discussions of Britain's monumental rise in autism come up, which

leads many to assume that it's just the MMR which accounts for the

British rate hike.

More investigation into all the above is really needed.

Then a group of Canadian parents tested some of their supposedly hg-

free vaccines and found they had high hg.

I hope others have more to add to this because I'm having a hard time

getting the information.

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> > > I was pretty sure at one point I read that all vaccines had

some

> > level

> > > of mercury, but it was low enough for them to say that it was

> mercury

> > > free. I know that flu vacccines are loaded, but have they

really

> > taken

> > > it out. OUr pediatrician says that their vaccines are mercury

> free,

> > > and of course I don't believe her and I have chosen to not

> vaccinate

> > my

> > > child yet if ever. She's a sensitive child and I am almost

> positive

> > > she couldn't deal with all of the toxins. She has a hard enough

> time

> > > with food.

> > >

> > > Please help me settle this. My mother in law says she trusts

the

> > > doctor, and I said I didn't. I need some proof!

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

If you were to visit the JABS forum, there are UK parents there who are equally concerned about the thimerosal (or thiomersal) in their childrens' vaccines, and are not solely worrying about MMR vaccines. Aasaanacat_11 <anacat_11@...> wrote: You could say that it sort of forfeits the distinction of being paranoid if someone out there actually is out to get you. I've been trying to track down the information about other countries' vaccine content and schedules for a long time. All I've found out is that South and Central

America and Mexico get vaccines with reputedly full mercury, as do many African countries. My assumption is that we're exporting autism to these nations and some are, perhaps consequently, reporting jumps in ASD.Then I read that some Scandinavian countries have banned e-hg in vaccines and other products. France requires-- sort of-- only three pediatric vaccines, though many French complain that parents are not told that only these three are required and not the slew of others offered. Parents are thereby "tricked" into giving their kids too many vaxes because they assume they have to get them. This list heard from a parent in GB who wrote that, though their pediatric vaccines are supposedly hg-free, their flu shots have the same mercury content as here and the uptake has been high for pregnant women and infants. This issue is not often repeated when discussions of Britain's monumental rise in autism come up,

which leads many to assume that it's just the MMR which accounts for the British rate hike. More investigation into all the above is really needed. Then a group of Canadian parents tested some of their supposedly hg-free vaccines and found they had high hg. I hope others have more to add to this because I'm having a hard time getting the information. > > >> > > I was pretty sure at one point I read that all vaccines had some > > level > > > of mercury, but it was low enough for them to say that it was > mercury > > > free. I know that flu vacccines are loaded, but have they really > > taken > > > it out. OUr pediatrician says that their vaccines are mercury > free, > > > and of course I don't believe her and I have

chosen to not > vaccinate > > my > > > child yet if ever. She's a sensitive child and I am almost > positive > > > she couldn't deal with all of the toxins. She has a hard enough > time > > > with food.> > > > > > Please help me settle this. My mother in law says she trusts the > > > doctor, and I said I didn't. I need some proof!> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

That's what our UK listmate said and I think he also provided the

link to Jabs. The strange thing is that this concern

over " thiomersal " doesn't appear in the British news reports I've

seen on their epidemic.

> > > >

> > > > I was pretty sure at one point I read that all vaccines had

> some

> > > level

> > > > of mercury, but it was low enough for them to say that it was

> > mercury

> > > > free. I know that flu vacccines are loaded, but have they

> really

> > > taken

> > > > it out. OUr pediatrician says that their vaccines are mercury

> > free,

> > > > and of course I don't believe her and I have chosen to not

> > vaccinate

> > > my

> > > > child yet if ever. She's a sensitive child and I am almost

> > positive

> > > > she couldn't deal with all of the toxins. She has a hard

enough

> > time

> > > > with food.

> > > >

> > > > Please help me settle this. My mother in law says she trusts

> the

> > > > doctor, and I said I didn't. I need some proof!

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think they're too busy trying to hang Wakefield out to dry, over the decline in MMR uptake issue. Aasaanacat_11 <anacat_11@...> wrote: That's what our UK listmate said and I think he also provided the link to Jabs. The strange thing is that this concern over "thiomersal" doesn't appear in the British news reports I've seen on their epidemic. > > > >> > > > I was pretty sure at one point I read that all vaccines had > some > > > level > > > > of mercury, but it was low enough for them to say that it was > > mercury > > > > free. I know

that flu vacccines are loaded, but have they > really > > > taken > > > > it out. OUr pediatrician says that their vaccines are mercury > > free, > > > > and of course I don't believe her and I have chosen to not > > vaccinate > > > my > > > > child yet if ever. She's a sensitive child and I am almost > > positive > > > > she couldn't deal with all of the toxins. She has a hard enough > > time > > > > with food.> > > > > > > > Please help me settle this. My mother in law says she trusts > the > > > > doctor, and I said I didn't. I need some proof!> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

At 01:59 PM 1/18/2008 -0000, you wrote:

>That's what our UK listmate said and I think he also provided the

>link to Jabs. The strange thing is that this concern

>over " thiomersal " doesn't appear in the British news reports I've

>seen on their epidemic.

There is more focus on MMR in the UK press

And UK doesn't give Hep B at birth and never did, with that high amount of

mercury right away, as it was here.

Sheri

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>> > > > I was pretty sure at one point I read that all vaccines had

>> some

>> > > level

>> > > > of mercury, but it was low enough for them to say that it was

>> > mercury

>> > > > free. I know that flu vacccines are loaded, but have they

>> really

>> > > taken

>> > > > it out. OUr pediatrician says that their vaccines are mercury

>> > free,

>> > > > and of course I don't believe her and I have chosen to not

>> > vaccinate

>> > > my

>> > > > child yet if ever. She's a sensitive child and I am almost

>> > positive

>> > > > she couldn't deal with all of the toxins. She has a hard

>enough

>> > time

>> > > > with food.

>> > > >

>> > > > Please help me settle this. My mother in law says she trusts

>> the

>> > > > doctor, and I said I didn't. I need some proof!

>> > > >

>> > >

>> >

>>

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[Guest guest]

Our UK listmate said the OB was pressuring his pregnant wife to get

the mercury-laced flu shot and he intimated that flu shots in

pregnancy were now apparently the norm in Great Britain. One better

than giving a one day old infant an hg-bomb is to give a fetus the

same dose. Like others have stated, I believe that this in itself

could account for much of the sustained rates in the US.

What are the autism rates for children of mothers who got the old hg-

laced Rhogam shots? I keep hearing that they're much higher than

average (and I believe it, as I've met several women who had the old

Rhogam and not one of their children was unscathed, showing various

effects from infant stroke, seizures and language problems and more).

So far, I haven't seen any studies or numbers for the ASD rates and

Rhogam. That would go a ways towards explaining how fetuses are

reacting to the prenatal flu shots, right?

> >> > > >

> >> > > > I was pretty sure at one point I read that all vaccines

had

> >> some

> >> > > level

> >> > > > of mercury, but it was low enough for them to say that it

was

> >> > mercury

> >> > > > free. I know that flu vacccines are loaded, but have they

> >> really

> >> > > taken

> >> > > > it out. OUr pediatrician says that their vaccines are

mercury

> >> > free,

> >> > > > and of course I don't believe her and I have chosen to not

> >> > vaccinate

> >> > > my

> >> > > > child yet if ever. She's a sensitive child and I am almost

> >> > positive

> >> > > > she couldn't deal with all of the toxins. She has a hard

> >enough

> >> > time

> >> > > > with food.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Please help me settle this. My mother in law says she

trusts

> >> the

> >> > > > doctor, and I said I didn't. I need some proof!

> >> > > >

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