Guest guest Posted August 9, 2002 Report Share Posted August 9, 2002 Hi All, Dr. Y is correct to say that correlation is not hard evidence for cause. However, the below did look at many confounding variables. Cheers, Al. Eur J Neurol 2002 Jul;9(4):377-82 Does caffeine intake protect from Alzheimer's disease? Maia L, De Mendonca A. "Caffeine is the most widely consumed behaviourally active substance in the western world. Neuroprotective effects of caffeine in low doses, chronically administered, have been shown in different experimental models. If caffeine intake could protect against neurodegeneration in Alzheimer's disease (AD), then higher levels of caffeine consumption in normal subjects as compared with AD patients should be detectable in the presumably long period before diagnosis when insidious pathogenic changes are taking place. A case-control study was used: cases were 54 patients with probable AD fulfilling the National Institute of Neurologic and Communicative Disorders and Stroke and the AD and Related Disorders Association criteria, in a Dementia Clinics setting. Controls were 54 accompanying persons, cognitively normal, matched for age (+/-3 years) and sex. Patients with AD had an average daily caffeine intake of 73.9 +/- 97.9 mg during the 20 years that preceded diagnosis of AD, whereas the controls had an average daily caffeine intake of 198.7 +/- 135.7 mg during the corresponding 20 years of their lifetimes (P < 0.001, Wilcoxon signed ranks test). Using a logistic regression model, caffeine exposure during this period was found to be significantly inversely associated with AD (odds ratio=0.40, 95% confidence interval=0.25-0.67), whereas hypertension, diabetes, stroke, head trauma, smoking habits, alcohol consumption, non-steroid anti-inflammatory drugs, vitamin E, gastric disorders, heart disease, education and family history of dementia were not statistically significantly associated with AD. Caffeine intake was associated with a significantly lower risk for AD, independently of other possible confounding variables. These results, if confirmed with future prospective studies, may have a major impact on the prevention of AD." PMID: 12099922 [PubMed - in process] -----Original Message-----From: Francesca Skelton [mailto:fskelton@...]Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [ ] CAFFEINEon 8/9/2002 4:26 PM, sweetanisoptera@... at sweetanisoptera@...wrote:> Hi-I am new to the group--thought I would jump in and comment on the caffeine> Q.Hi Dr Y: welcome to the group!> I am not aware of any research that has shown that coffee is beneficial for> preventing Alzheimer's. I would be interested in the source.> To my knowledge (and surely everyone cant know EVERYTHING...) there is no> true prevention for Alzheimers. (unless you consider being highly educated a> PREVENTION--as the statistics say the more college you have the less likely> you are to end up with Alzheimers.)> Of course this is speculation--but speculation from some very good minds-LOL> I doubt drinking one cup a day of coffee would bring harm to any normal> person. This was a post of mine in which I said I had heard on the radio, Dr DeanEdell, a nationally syndicated talk show MD, that in a study, people whodrank coffee had less ALZ than those who didn't drink.Al Pater, our resident "paper finder": can you perhaps find the study thatwas being discussed?> What was my topic--caffeine.. INdeed caffeine at the VERY start of a> migraine--can in some cases short circuit it--because migraines have to do> with blood vessels--and caffeine temporarily opens up the blood vessels> (again--in SOME migraine cases this works--not all) So that part is correct.> Dr YsabellaThanks for confirming about migraines, something that Lucy has told thegroup was indeed her experience with coffee.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2002 Report Share Posted August 9, 2002 on 8/9/2002 4:26 PM, sweetanisoptera@... at sweetanisoptera@... wrote: > Hi-I am new to the group--thought I would jump in and comment on the caffeine > Q. Hi Dr Y: welcome to the group! > I am not aware of any research that has shown that coffee is beneficial for > preventing Alzheimer's. I would be interested in the source. > To my knowledge (and surely everyone cant know EVERYTHING...) there is no > true prevention for Alzheimers. (unless you consider being highly educated a > PREVENTION--as the statistics say the more college you have the less likely > you are to end up with Alzheimers.) > Of course this is speculation--but speculation from some very good minds-LOL > I doubt drinking one cup a day of coffee would bring harm to any normal > person. This was a post of mine in which I said I had heard on the radio, Dr Dean Edell, a nationally syndicated talk show MD, that in a study, people who drank coffee had less ALZ than those who didn't drink. Al Pater, our resident " paper finder " : can you perhaps find the study that was being discussed? > What was my topic--caffeine.. INdeed caffeine at the VERY start of a > migraine--can in some cases short circuit it--because migraines have to do > with blood vessels--and caffeine temporarily opens up the blood vessels > (again--in SOME migraine cases this works--not all) So that part is correct. > Dr Ysabella Thanks for confirming about migraines, something that Lucy has told the group was indeed her experience with coffee. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2002 Report Share Posted August 9, 2002 Al: I expected you to find the paper but even I, familiar with your talents via your postings, was surprised by the lightening speed with which you dug this up. A heartfelt thanks for finding this and for your many valuable contributions!! on 8/9/2002 5:07 PM, Alan Pater at apater@... wrote: > Hi All, > > Dr. Y is correct to say that correlation is not hard evidence for cause. > However, the below did look at many confounding variables. > Caffeine intake was > associated with a significantly lower risk for AD, independently of other > possible confounding variables. These results, if confirmed with future > prospective studies, may have a major impact on the prevention of AD. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 Caffeine is bad for RA in any case. Whether on meds or not. When i ingest caffiene.....say at Easter (chocalote bunny) the pain is awful from my RA. So i just wanted to say that caffiene is bad for those with RA whether on medication or not (i am not on meds - thank the Good Lord :>) God BlessTrish trish@...Quality Vitamins and Herbal Formulas since 1992 http://www.herbals-unlimited.com To see our specials we are currently runningplease go to......https://www.imupgrading.com/~herbalsu/Order1.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Harold Van Tuyl Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Caffeine Jay, I have also heard that caffeine interferes with Methotrexate but I don't know from personal experience. Common sources of caffeine are coffee, tea, and many soft drinks. I've tried to cut down somewhat on caffeine, but not much. As far as I can tell Methotrexate doesn't help me, but I still take it because I'm on Remicade and that is supposed to be taken with Methotrexate. I do try to use a Mediterranean diet (little red meat, long on fruits and vegetables, olive and canola oils). I haven't tried to compare the effects of diet but I hear the Mediterranean diet is supposed to be helpful in many ways. Good luck and God bless. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Bishop Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: Thanks Thank you Lynette and Harold for your responses.I will ask my Dr. about Prednisone in the interim until the Methotrexate and Plaquinil kick in. As I said the symptoms hit me quickly and severely.I will start a pain and sleep diary so I can give my "rhuemy" as much info as possible. It is good to know about something for sleep, I take Trazadone but it doesn't alow me a full nights sleep.I also read post and his nutritional info may help. I think I read something about caffiene and Methotrexate, any truth to it?Again, thanks for the responses.Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 this january after a week in the hospital with a sudden mysterious kick butt bacteria, i was left without the drive for coffee. i do feel alot cleaner in my mouth and whole digestive tract, but have also felt a deep lethargy since the same time. i have developed a love for earl gray tea and drink 1 - 3 bags per day which im sure is a significant drop in caffeine for me. can't say the cravings are alleviated, but maybe ameliorated as i've had 3 slips since switching to tea. gratefully they were only for that moment....rather than in the past when one thing led to another. fruitgirl > Periodic sugar cravings and binges are the only thing that keep me > from being a good CRONie. The only thing I can lay blame on would > be my massive caffeine consumption. On a bad day I might take in > 1200-1500 mg of caffeine. I've quit smoking and alcohol but > caffeine seems to be the hardest to kick. I'm wondering if > moderation might be the answer. I know I can get by on 4-6 green > teas a day which provides a meager 200 mg of caffeine +/-. Has > anyone else noticed caffeine use having an effect on > appetite/cravings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 That was my thought also but was wondering - these must be premade teas, not taking just the "bulk herbs" to make tea. I was wanting some more info or clarification on this.Carol Minnick <carolminnick@...> wrote: Ummm, maybe don’t put it in to begin with? =============================== Rica <Bollin772000@...> wrote: because of flavored tea,sometimes I get too much caffeine....is there something that will take it out faster than usual?? thanks Rica Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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