Re: Re: Definition of neurodiverse

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you are SO right.... Anyone who would deny a child a chance at life is despicable. I think "neurodiverse" are just those that are off their meds. As my oldest says "they took a trip and never came back." Hope they stay wherever it is that they're most comfortable. They're certainly not welcome in our world. Sophia Nanstiel <erik@...> wrote: These people are shut-ins, clicking away at their computers... you'd never find them

at a cocktail party, unless you find a dark corner near the snack trays.They don't care about our kids... they just don't want anybody coming into their rooms, turning the lights on and imposing social ties on their closed, little worlds.I'm totally fine with that! Just stay out of my business and let me help my daughter with her vaccine-induced medical problems... and recover her to the point where she can use the potty.... talk.... learn to read... learn to write... use a fork properly... have some semblance of independence...The people that would deny my daughter that must be cruel and mean spirited.> > >> > > Neurodiverse: People afraid of being extinct when a cure for autism > is> > > found.> > >> >>Sophiahttp://justamom2three.blogspot.com/

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I remember a woman in church telling me "God sent you this child for a reason. He is that way to teach you how to live differently. This is how God wants him to be." Well she was right on 2 accounts....He has DEFINITELY taught me how to live differently, and he was definitely sent here for a reason. However that reason was NOT to remain in an unnatural state of inflammation caused by excessive vaccine damage for the rest of his life. And I have an extremely difficult time accepting the fact that God has caused these children to be damaged OR would intend for a parent to leave them in a condition which is less than healthy. That woman certainly taught me something. Yep, you are where you are meant to be. Even if it's just for lunch. Sophia King <medfordkings1@...> wrote: I also think that there is a large amount of laziness among the ND crowd. The unwillingness to explore underlying issues in their children to maximize their health and potential may stem from the refusal to change their lifestyles. As we all know the research and implementation of biomedical treatments is difficult.> > > >> > > > Neurodiverse: People afraid of being extinct when a cure for autism > > is> > > > found.> > > >> > >> >> > >

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I think there are many different crowds

Pro-Biomed

Anti-Biomed

NeuroDiverse

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On 3/9/08 8:10 PM, " King " <medfordkings1@...> wrote:

I also think that there is a large amount of laziness among the ND crowd. The

unwillingness to explore underlying issues in their children to maximize their health and

potential may stem from the refusal to change their lifestyles. As we all know the research

and implementation of biomedical treatments is difficult.

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God does not interfere in our lives. He most certainly did not cause this to happen -- it is evil/green of pharmaceutical companies -- and this is biblical. Re: Re: Definition of neurodiverse

I remember a woman in church telling me "God sent you this child for a reason. He is that way to teach you how to live differently. This is how God wants him to be." Well she was right on 2 accounts.... He has DEFINITELY taught me how to live differently, and he was definitely sent here for a reason. However that reason was NOT to remain in an unnatural state of inflammation caused by excessive vaccine damage for the rest of his life. And I have an extremely difficult time accepting the fact that God has caused these children to be damaged OR would intend for a parent to leave them in a condition which is less than healthy. That woman certainly taught me something. Yep, you are where you are meant to be. Even if it's just for lunch. Sophia King <medfordkings1> wrote: I also think that there is a large amount of laziness among the ND crowd. The unwillingness to explore underlying issues in their children to maximize their health and potential may stem from the refusal to change their lifestyles. As we all know the research and implementation of biomedical treatments is difficult.> > > >> > > > Neurodiverse: People afraid of being extinct when a

cure for autism > > is> > > > found.> > > >> > >> >> > >

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> And I have an extremely difficult time accepting the fact that God

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> parent to leave them in a condition which is less than healthy.

" God gave us brains for a reason.. "

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They say the end of the world is coming. And I do believe it will be at the controlling hands of the pharmaceutical industry. AGREED,,,,what if this continued on. What if the schedule of vaccines continued to double and triple. Kids would be vax'd for "bubble gum disease" or some manufactured illness that the public would be scared into believing. We would have an entire population of neurologically damaged individuals. I do NOT believe that is how God wants us to live. S. Nanstiel <erik@...> wrote: It may very well be biblical.Can you imagine if we did nothing and the pharmaceuticals went unabated... with a never-ending stream of new, routine vaccines, eventually being purchased by the WHO for distribution, worldwide...Can you imagine if nobody was waging the mercury war? (not to mention aluminum) Or the MMR war?Makes me wonder if bad vaccines are the vehicle by which the bible would be correct in predicting a third of humanity being cut down.... Folks, when you call the white house today (for your chance to be hung-up on) remember how profound this fight is. There is NO EFFECTIVE VACCINE SAFETY OVERSIGHT, but a robust, orchestrated effort to hide the truth...> > > > >> > > > > Neurodiverse: People afraid of being extinct when a cure for autism > > > is> > > > > found.> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Well my favorite biblical passage for this one--and it will do for religious vaccine exemptions too--is 2 24:10-14.   has conducted a census, and then feels it was an act of pride.  The prophet comes to him and gives him three choices: Should there be three years of famine? or should he flee three months before the hands of his enemies? Or shall there be three days' pestilence in the land? chose the pestilence saying: "I am in great distress; let us fall into the hand of the Lord, for his mercy is great; but let me not fall into the hand of men [or pharmaceutical companies]."Peace,Kathy E.On Mar 10, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Nanstiel wrote:It may very well be biblical.Can you imagine if we did nothing and the pharmaceuticals went unabated... with a never-ending stream of new, routine vaccines, eventually being purchased by the WHO for distribution, worldwide...Can you imagine if nobody was waging the mercury war? (not to mention aluminum) Or the MMR war?Makes me wonder if bad vaccines are the vehicle by which the bible would be correct in predicting a third of humanity being cut down.... Folks, when you call the white house today (for your chance to be hung-up on) remember how profound this fight is. There is NO EFFECTIVE VACCINE SAFETY OVERSIGHT, but a robust, orchestrated effort to hide the truth...

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....and what doyou believe the souls of the people who became pharmacy adventurers for profit discussed before trundling on down to earthside , this round? What will they decide to try in their next life, to top this??? n

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I believe, as souls, we may actually CHOOSE to live a certain kind of life prior to our own births... as a form of "life school"... certain curricula, that while potentially very painful, will advance our spiritual growth through needed experience.That said, I also think it's possible that we were given our special children to inspire us to get off our butts and help other kids and their parents who are going through the same thing... and to try to prevent this from happening to more kids.> > > > >> > > > > Neurodiverse: People afraid of being extinct when a cure for autism > > > is> > > > > found.> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sophia> > http://justamom2three.blogspot.com/> > > > ---------------------------------> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> >> > > > > > > Sophia> http://justamom2three.blogspot.com/> > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

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I don't really believe in reincarnation, but assuming I did, I assume they might be bobbing up and down in a hot water area somewhere in the depths of the Atlantic as a jellyfish or sliming around someone's DDT-laden garden as a slug...;-)Peace,Kathy E.On Mar 10, 2008, at 5:53 PM, Nora Gottlieb wrote:...and what doyou believe the souls of the people who became pharmacy adventurers for profit discussed before trundling on down to earthside , this round?  What will they decide to try in their next life, to top this???   n

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Debi, Well put. I was at a support group meeting about a year ago and brought up the subject of the beauty within my 8yr. old son NOW. Afterwards, I felt like being on the moon. The response in the room nearly blew me away. A women came at me as if I was suggesting that our children do not need to be fixed. She did not even know me and had no idea the pain and frustration that our family has been through with our son. I have never been back ,and to me that is the shame in our judgements toward eachother. I loved both your quote and your last paragraph. I too want people to see the preciousness of my son now, while working feverishly to help him biomedically, and praying for him to be healed. Thanks, Debi <fightingautism@...> wrote: One of my favorite quotes:Past the seeker as he prayed came the crippled and the beggar and thebeaten. And seeing them...he cried, "Great God, how is it that aloving Creator can see such things and yet do nothing about them?" Godsaid, "I did do something. I made you."-- author unknownOne of my favorite Bible passages:Then He took her the child by the hand, and said to her, "Talithacumi," which is translated, "Little girl, I say to you, arise." There have been many nights I have cried out to God to breathe theseWords over my daughter. I have argued with God, struggled tocomprehend, and eventually, in

spiritual exhaustion, realize that Hisways are not my ways. From the fall of man until the return of Christ,there will be suffering. I don't understand it all, but I do know Heis all powerful and, therefore, has allowed my daughter to suffer fora reason, because before she was mine she is His. There's also another quote that having my daughter has taught me.Before her, I was the first to stand in fear and judgement of thedisabled, which probably largely answers "why." Juli Joesch says itwell: "I began to realize that it was bigotry of the worst kind to saythat it's better to be dead than to be born (or injured into) retardedor blind or without a limb. It's a value judgement you're making aboutsomeone else's life, based on their degree of perfection." Yes my child has been injured, yes those who injured her should beaccountable, yes I want my child to be healed, all the while wantingeveryone else to see her

beauty, all the while being lost in herwonder. I think that's where the ND stop comprehending, that you canhave perfection in disability and seek bodily healing all at the sametime. Debi-

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Exactly....... because THIS is not living. Our children's souls have been taken by damaging their minds (not to mention their central nervous system====mercury toxicity). I am chelating ethyl mercury right now and guess what? I have a symptom: I have lost the feeling in one of my feet -- from my arch to my toes. I am hoping to get the feeling back by Easter so I can wear heels to church.A child sitting in a corner banging his head is not living.A child spinning endlessly for hours is not living.A child smearing his feces on the tv and furniture because he has no feeling that he is about to have a BM is not living.A family spending all of their money/resources on

dealing with the aforementioned and not being able to send their otherchildren to college is not living.A child covering his ears because his audio sensitivity is more intense than anything we will ever know is not living.A child whose gut is so distended from sensitivities to food and the resultant pain is not living.I believe that people should not go through life with absolutely NO hardship -- but this is unending and only one group stands to profit from our children being this way.All I can fathom is that the ND adults out there who hate us either cannot remember such pain as children or it was so intense that they had blocked it out -- much like a person who is molested as a child supresses that trauma in most cases.The NDs are clearly toxic people (IMO) and why they want the generation behind them to endure this pain is beyond me. Re: Re: Definition of neurodiverse

They say the end of the world is coming. And I do believe it will be at the controlling hands of the pharmaceutical industry. AGREED,,,,what if this continued on. What if the schedule of vaccines continued to double and triple. Kids would be vax'd for "bubble gum disease" or some manufactured illness that the public would be scared into believing. We would have an entire population of neurologically damaged individuals. I do NOT believe that is how God wants us to live. S. Nanstiel <erikautismmedia (DOT) org> wrote: It may very well be biblical.Can you imagine if we did nothing and the pharmaceuticals went unabated... with a never-ending stream of new, routine vaccines,

eventually being purchased by the WHO for distribution, worldwide...Can you imagine if nobody was waging the mercury war? (not to mention aluminum) Or the MMR war?Makes me wonder if bad vaccines are the vehicle by which the bible would be correct in predicting a third of humanity being cut down.... Folks, when you call the white house today (for your chance to be hung-up on) remember how profound this fight is. There is NO EFFECTIVE VACCINE SAFETY OVERSIGHT, but a robust, orchestrated effort to hide the truth...> > > > >> > > > > Neurodiverse: People afraid of being extinct when a cure for autism > > > is> > > > > found.> > > > >> > >

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